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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 6:30 p.m. MST

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@J-TX

No, but obviously playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (best case) for his entire college career may have been a factor....

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

ute4ever

"Buddy, if you can't take someone "demean" your faith then you are a weak, weak person."

I never said I couldn't take it.

I've been all over the country and to many, many countries world wide and heard much worse than I heard at Utah, but that still doesn't excuse religious bigotry at any institution of high learning.

The "group think" that you speak of at BYU is a myth.

Over 2/3's of BYU's students come from outside Utah and though most share the same religious beliefs, their opinions are very diverse. The majority of BYU students have been challenged about their religious beliefs for most of their lives.

By comparison, 90% of Utah's students come from Utah and the majority commute from their homes in the Salt Lake Valley.

Most of my extended family are Utah graduates and I believe that the U is a fine institution, but trying to claim that you can enjoy the same LDS experience at the U as at the Y is simply not true.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Snack:

Those are sure a lot of words to try, in vain, to explain away 3-in-a-row and 8-of-11.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

JohnInSLC

Try to explain away:

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

10-plus Win Seasons
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Bowl Games
Bronco 8
Kyle 7

And please don't give us some lame excuse about strength of schedule; most of those achievements occurred while BYU and Utah were both members of the MWC.

The hard reality that Utah fans simply aren't willing to accept is, as mediocre as BYU achievements may have been since going independent, they still exceed Utah's complete lack of any accomplishments as a member of the PAC 12.

It's really quite humorous that Utah fans are forced to cling desperately to their BYU wins, since you've been such a miserable failure in everything you've done in the PAC 12.

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

JohnInSLC

Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but higher end of season ranking = better team.

In 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished higher than Utah in the final rankings.

That's just the way it is.

Coaches/AP/Sagarin
2011 BYU #25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked/#39
2012 BYU unranked/#26 > Utah unranked/#61

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Congrats to Gaius Vaenuku on choosing a fine school; hope you enjoy your stay at Utah. Good luck on your mission.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

So Utah has 30 recruits. 2 of them are 4-star and 26 are 3-star.
BYU has 27 recruits. 1 of them are 4-star and 11 are 3-star.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

ute4ever

It is true that you can find any crowd you want to at Utah, be it good or bad, and you do have to decide for yourself what you believe in and stand for, but it's also true that there are certain professors at the U who are downright hostile and antogonistic toward LDS beliefs.

Gaius doesn't sound like he's interested in "exploring" who he is and not being "hindered" by others deciding for him. If that's your take on why he chose Utah, then you've obviously missed the point of why he was so excited about the LDS institute building.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

atl134

Yet BYU will still end up playing in more bowl games and finishing higher in rankings than Utah.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

@atl134

"So Utah has 30 recruits. 2 of them are 4-star and 26 are 3-star.
BYU has... blah, blah, blah..."

Why did Utah hang PAC 12 banners all over Salt Lake City, or so I've heard, if you're still so obsessed with BYU that you have to compare everything Utah does to BYU? Shouldn't you be more concerned with how your recruiting stacks up against other PAC 12 teams?

For example,

#8 USC - with only 13 recruits (all 4- and 5-star)
#12 UCLA - 23
#19 Washington - 21
#22 Oregon - 16
#28 California - 28
#37 Arizona - 26
#38 Stanford - 12
#40 ASU - 26

Utah isn't even in the Top 40, per ESPN.

So what makes you think you'll ever be competitive in the PAC 12, when you continue to finish at the bottom of the PAC in recruiting?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Troytown
"Why did Utah hang PAC 12 banners all over Salt Lake City, or so I've heard, if you're still so obsessed with BYU that you have to compare everything Utah does to BYU?"

Heh, I'm actually a fan of the rivalry and would've preferred BYU get the invite to the PAC-12 instead of Colorado. I'm comparing the two because practically half the comments on this article are from BYU fans. Fact is comparing Utah recruiting from this year vs the previous years indicates an uptick in projected quality (not that that means anything until they play and either prove it or not), they used to be similar to BYU in that regard, but there's starting to be a separation.

EarlOfHemsley
Salt Lake City, UT

I think its funny how the first three comments in here are about the actual article, and the rest is smack talk. It's so entertaining to read. :-)

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Uteanymous . When talking about BYU's schedule, I am mainly talking about the bottom 4 the last 2 years. Sure, you can speak of rankings and feelings of the top of the schedule. But if you go 2 and 6 in a tough games tough games then 4 and 0 against the bottom 4, then you still go bowling. That's my point, plain and simple. BYU played some tough teams the last two years. They also played Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Hawaii, Weber State and podunk State. NEXT year you can try to prove yourself. We will see.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Plano, TX
The real story here is that BYU doesn't understand that Texas, and especially Euless Trinity, is the home of the best high school football in the country.

Plano - you might want to check out a little program here in Concord CA called De La Salle High School. Then get back to me.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Stop for a minute, BYU fans: Why are you all over this article on this obviously good young man who has chosen Utah over BYU? Man, your fan base has degenerated into a bunch of guys who sit around name-calling and bad mouthing your former rivals. And when you try to spin your data to say that BYU's record is better than the U's, come on! We've beaten you 3 years in a row, 8 out of the last 11, and overall 56-34-4.

We own you guys. Deal with it.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

atl134

"I'm comparing the two because practically half the comments on this article are from BYU fans."

Nice spin, but the truth is, Utah fans were taking jabs at BYU before the first BYU fan had posted a comment.

When was the last time you or any other Utah fan visited the blog of any other PAC 12 foe?

It's obvious that Utah fans live in this constant state of denial, pretending that BYU is completely irrelevant, yet constantly obsessed with everything that is even remotely connected to BYU.

Guaranteed, there will be 100 times more comments from Utah fans about BYU during 2014 and 2015, when BYU and Utah aren't even playing each other, than about any team in the PAC 12.

bdckpakccd
Plano, TX

Tom in CA---No one said anything about CA, but it is accepted that Texas high school football is some of the best. Upwards of 30% of all NCAA football players played high school ball in TX. It IS the battle ground for recruiting. That's pretty undisputed. I'm sure you have a fine program----but the entire state is a perennial powerhouse in Texas. And yet BYU has the lion's share of their players from Utah----and their biggest dog, Bingham, was DISMANTLED by Euless Trinity. Plano lost to Trinity by 3 points in the 3rd round of the playoffs that year. That year our district was the 3rd toughest in the nation (and the top 2 were not from CA). Yet BYU didn't even LOOK at any of the kids from Plano. I knew almost every single player and there were very talented athletes that would be undeterred by the honor code---yet deafening silence from the Cougars. Our coaches have been SHOCKED by how they have just blown off some of the LDS kids to have gone through Plano. In football, you cannot ignore Texas and compete at the highest levels. Even ESPN agrees.

ute4ever
West Jordan, UT

@BlueCoug

Group Think in Provo is NOT a myth. I have experienced it time and time again. You are programed to think a certain way, have certain values, view situations the same. It is a huge machine that robotically programs people to think a certain way. I don't care if there are 180 countries represented by BYU, the professors, clubs, fraternaties, and everything about BYU is a huge group think exercise. If you don't believe me, just try putting an Obama/Biden sticker on your car and pull into a BYU parking lot. You will get stares like you just ran over someone's dog.

At Utah you have people raised differently, with different moral compasses, with different opinions.

I know for a fact there are people who go to Utah to avoid the Utah county group think. Maybe Gaius is one of them.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

gdog3finally

It's true that BYU was forced to schedule some awful WAC teams to fill their 2011 and 2012 schedules in such a short time period after going independent, but it's also true that Bronco almost never loses to mediocre teams. There was a huge gap between the very good and the very bad teams BYU played, but that doesn't prove that BYU couldn't have gone 4-0 against teams somewhere in the middle, like Georgia Tech.

Despite playing a "PAC 12 schedule", Utah also played its share of bad teams the last two years - Colorado(3-10; 1-11), WSU(4-8; 3-9), OSU(3-9), Cali(3-9), No Colo, Montana State), but unlike BYU, Utah didn't win all of those games.

In2012, BYU lost 4 games (3 of them to Top 25 teams) by a total of 13 points, all on the road, and only lost one game all season by a touchdown or more, proving that even with an extremely mediocre offense, BYU was within striking distance of finishing 12-1.

All 7 of Utah's losses were by a touchdown or more.

BYU finished #26 in Sagarin; Utah finished #61. Not even close.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

gored

You own NOTHING!

National Championships
BYU 1
Utah 0

Heisman Trophies
BYU 1
Utah 0

National Individual Award Winners
BYU 15
Utah 0

Players Inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame
BYU 6
Utah 0

AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes
BYU 17
Utah 5

Conference Championships during the last half century
BYU 23
Utah 6

Head-to-head during the last half century
BYU 29
Utah 21

Utah's leather-helmet era "glory" days are ancient history, and even then, Utah did absolutely nothing on a national scale.

And now, Utah's flash-in-the-pan break through years of 2004 and 2008 are quickly fading.

The Utes have been in steady decline since 2008.

Being a whipping boy for the PAC 12 is nothing to beat your chest about, although Colorado and Wauzoo certainly appreciate the company.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Uteanymous

"BYU was within striking distance of finishing 12-1."
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Congrats for the biggest spin of the week. Nicely done.
I don't think it's possible to top that one!

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