Comments about ‘Utah Utes football: LDS institute building helps Utes lure Texas star Gaius Vaenuku to program’

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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 6:30 p.m. MST

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Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Great pickup for the Utes. I would have loved to see him, and Levi, in Cougar blue but heading off to Utah is also great. As for comparing the two schools over the last two years... neither has done anything, so who cares? Let's wait until either team gets a quality win before we start crowing.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

Congratulations to the Utah program and this young man. Just curious about one of the comments in the article. He seemed to be impressed with the Utah facilities. Would those be the trailers where the football offices are located?

Red and Blue
VANCOUVER, WA

Vaenuku seems to be very intelligent. I'm sure he just did not want to placy for Bronco. Smart choice!

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

86&90UTE

"Swoop, really. Because of the vast disparity in strength of schedule, you cannot compare win/loss between BYU and Utah."

Vast disparity? BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams. Utah only played TWO!

But you can compare final rankings.

Coaches/AP/Sagarin
2011 BYU #25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked/#39
2012 BYU unranked/#26 > Utah unranked/#61

The difference wasn't just the schedule and bowling, it was the overall results.

BYU beat #16 Utah State, ACC division champ Georgia Tech (which manhandled USC in the Sun Bowl), and MWC co-champ SDSU in 2012.

Utah beat BYU and NOBODY else.

Best case scenario for Utah playing BYU's schedule would have been losses to Boise State, Utah State, Oregon State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and San Jose State, and a loss to SDSU in the Poinsettia Bowl. A bowl game loss and a losing 6-7 season for Utah, still not as good as BYU's 8-5 bowl game winning season.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

gdog3finally

Nice spin about SOS, but why do Utah fans pretend that pollsters consider SOS for every team in the country, EXCEPT BYU?

You do realize, don't U, that the AP writers, Coaches, and Sagarin ALL consider WHO teams played along with records against said teams, in determining where to rank each team, including BYU?

Why was Ohio State(12-0) only ranked #13 by Sagarin?

Because Ohio State's SOS was #60.

So it's obvious that Sagarin considers SOS very carefully in his rankings.

Despite your SOS spin, BYU still finished higher in Sagarin's ratings the last two years.

2011 BYU #34 > Utah #39
2012 BYU #26 > Utah #61

Sorry to burst your jealous, crimson bubble, but you don't get credit for playing a tougher schedule if you don't WIN!

Go Utes
Salt Lake City, UT

Welcome to the U Vaenuku! Be careful though: you are letting the secret out that the U is the best LDS campus in the country. If everyone finds out that at the U you get all of the LDS benefit of BYU but none of its burdens (and play for a better program/team to boot), who knows what consequences will follow. I prepared for my mission at the U, met my wife there, married her in the temple while at the U, and we now enjoy taking our little family to the games. But let's just keep this between you and me. I don't want to upset any other institution in the state that might be upset if word got out about what a great LDS campus the U is. Excited to see you on the field! Go Utes!

TheNun
Granstville, UT

I love the way the cougars are all over this article on Utah recruits, detailing how much better their team fared last year. Sounding off about how well the cougs did in their "conference", compared to how the Utes finished in their conference. Bragging about the cougs beating the WAC champions while the Utes lost to the same team, blah, blah, blah.

All the while they conveniently fail to mention the first and foremost comparison between any two teams is head to head matchups. Three straight and 8 of 11, is somehow overlooked by the spin doctors of cougar nation. Nicely spun.

oldcougar
Orem, UT

Congrats to Utah and to Gaius. I'll enjoy watching him play. He appears to be a fine young man. I hope he prospers in the gospel, in his life, and in his game. Best of luck.

TFUDD
SLC, UT

@Uteanymous

Sorry to burst your bubble but when you don't beat a certain team it generally means your not better than that team. You can throw out as many stats as you want but in the end a loss is a loss. I'm not a BYU hater but dude you've lost 3 years in a row so you have absolutely no bragging rights. You have nothing against us because you LOST! If you were a smart BYU fan then you would realize that. This goes for Utah fans as well. When we lose then we should not talk any heat. Even if we have a better record. The "which team is better" game depends on the game they play. So UTAH fans and BYU fans stop crying about the number of wins and losses or who went to a bowl game. Utah won this year so we were better this year. Why would we be jealous? scoreboard!

EMBO23
Riverton, UT

The LDS Institute building is the most impressive aspect of Utah's campus and program...that's going to leave a mark.

TFUDD
SLC, UT

@ChrisB

I am a Utah fan Chris but you need to really think about some of the posts you make. Stop giving BYU fans things to jump on and create fusses about.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

Sounds like he never considered BYU. Between utah and TCU, I'd say that he put football fifth.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Go Utes

"If everyone finds out that at the U you get all of the LDS benefit of BYU but none of its burdens (and play for a better program/team to boot), who knows what consequences will follow."

Having attended both universities and having graduated from Utah, I can tell you from first hand experience that the cultures of the two universities are very different, and no, you can't get all of the LDS benefits at the U that you can enjoy at the Y.

Not once did I have a professor at BYU demean my religious beliefs. It happened frequently at the U.

Not once did I have to tolerate drunken, disorderly fans at LES. It happens frequently at the RES.

You can pretend that BYU's honor code is a "burden" for LDS athletes, but holding yourself to a higher standard is only a burden if you don't believe in the standards in the first place.

As far as "better" football program, you have absolutely no evidence from the past two seasons that Utah has a better overall football program than BYU. Head-to-head doesn't prove anything if you have worse overall seasons.

ute4ever
West Jordan, UT

@BlueCoug

Buddy, if you can't take someone "demean" your faith then you are a weak, weak person. I've spent a lot of time on both campuses and I prefer Utah by leaps and bounds. If you prefer the group think scenery, then BYU is the place for you. You don't have to decide for yourself on anything...you just follow the crowd and you'll be ok. If you want to evaluate what YOU believe as a person, then Utah is the place for you. You can find any crowd you want to at Utah, be it good or bad, but you have to decide what you believe and stand for it. I appreciated the diversity and the chance to be challenged on my beliefs for the first time in my life (you won't get that at BYU, that is for sure).

Maybe Gaius didn't want to go where everyone would think for him and decide what is best for him. Maybe he wanted a little bit of freedom to find his own path. Good choice and I can't wait to see him chasing down BYU quarterbacks soon.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Bluecoug:

Spoken by someone who really embraced "The Campus Is Our World." Looks like it still is.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Wow, the spin cycle is in full gear. Who had the best team on Sept 15, 2012? Utah 24 - BYU 21. Simple math, simple concept 24 points > 21 points. That's a fact. Who had the best team at the end of the season? We will never know, but there's no doubt about one thing; Utah has score board in 2010, 2011 and 2012. BYU got a loss, all three times. There's the cue to shift the spin cycle into over drive.

J-TX
Allen, TX

bdckpakccd
Plano, TX
The real story here is that BYU doesn't understand that Texas, and especially Euless Trinity, is the home of the best high school football in the country.

OK, Plano boy, you might want to look at the last 10 years when Plano's nemesis, little Allen Texas up the street has been the best program in Texas. Euless is a storied program, no doubt, and a magnet for Polynesians, obviously. But arrogance is no substitute for good football.....

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Wiscougarfan

"Great pickup for the Utes. I would have loved to see him, and Levi, in Cougar blue but heading off to Utah is also great. As for comparing the two schools over the last two years... neither has done anything, so who cares? Let's wait until either team gets a quality win before we start crowing."

Props for the the most logical, level-headed comment in this thread.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

TFUDD

"Sorry to burst your bubble but when you don't beat a certain team it generally means your not better than that team."

So, based on this bogus theory that Utah fans continue to cling to doggedly:

Was Texas A&M, who beat Alabama 29-24, better than #1 Alabama?
Was #7 Stanford better than #2 Oregon?
Was BYU(8-5) better than #16 Utah State(11-2)?
Was Colorado(3-10 better than Utah(8-5)?
Was Wyoming(6-6) better than Utah(8-5)?
Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)?

If Utah wins the PAC 12 championship, plays in the Rose Bowl, finishes 11-3 and is ranked in the Top 10 next season, but loses to BYU, who finishes 9-4 and unranked, will Utah fans still claim that BYU was the better team because BYU won the head-to-head matchup?

If none of the above is true, then why do Utah fans continue to completely defy logic when it comes to comparing BYU and Utah?

J-TX
Allen, TX

Obviously the desire to play in bowl games was not a determinant.....

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