A nice recruit! Glad to see you made a wise decision, Gaius. The U does have
plenty to offer, including overall access to the BCS, national exposure in the
PAC 12, and ultimately a better chance for you to someday play in the NFL.Good luck to you, and welcome to Ute Nation!
Interesting how what appears to be a very devout mormon finds bYu to be over the
top. Clearly Provo holds everything an missonary would want...yet something
didn't smell right to him.Sounds like he has a good head on his
Nothing like playing in the pac ten, even if your a door mat.
@ da hog:You're inferring something that isn't in the
article. Where in the world do you come up with the idea that he considers BYU
"over the top"? (Don't look now, but your bias is showing...as
always.)Sounds like both the Church and his friends were deciding
factors. Good for him. Good luck to the young man on his quest for
.500 season in the PAC 12...South
Welcome to the University of Utah, young man. Your assessment of the program
(and the institute building) is spot on. Everything you need is right there for
you. Good choice, Gaius.GO UTES!!
Question:How many recruits had offers to both byu and Utah, and of
those how many picked byu and how many picked Utah?The future(and
present) of football in Utah,Is Utah!
JayDee,Enjoy your ".500 season" comments while you can. Now
that BYU is playing a decent schedule it'll be fun watching the humble pie
settle in the stomachs of cougar fans such as yourself.
The commits, including Vaenuku, that have come in the past week for Utah are
absolutely huge gets. The coaches deserve kudos for putting together the most
solid recruiting class top to bottom that Utah has ever had. Most importantly,
every position of need seems to have been addressed quite well which should
leave few if any holes/weeknesses in the roster.It's amazing to see
that while Utah's recruiting class is ranked 32nd by Rivals, 7 Pac-12 teams
are currently ranked higher. It goes to show the level of competition Utah is
playing against week in and week out.
Oops ... turns out spelling might be a "weekness" of mine.
Cougar sour grapes make a very sweet whine! Welcome to the U Gaius!
It's going to be a great ride.
Congrats to him, and good on Coach Scalley for keeping that Texas, and
particularly Euless Trinity, pipeline open and flowing with some good ones.
Lutui was a huge get late last year, Tevi was a big one early this year, Uhatafe
is a huge body, we'll see whether he flew under the radar or if the Utes
had to reach for him, and Vaenuku was a very widely recruited kid (5A Texas
first team all-state, over 40 scholarship offers). Glad to have them all aboard.
ChewbaccaWhat sour grapes? U can choose to bury your
head in the sand and pretend it isn't so, but finishing 8th and 11th in the
PAC 12 and not being able to beat a single conference opponent with a winning
record is proof enough that Utah is a certified PAC 12 bottom dweller.
Swoop"Utah is a certified PAC 12 bottom dweller"And BYU is what? The best of the bottom of the WAC? Congratulations I guess?
motorbike"And BYU is what?"Better than U!2011 - BYU(10-3) Ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked2012 - BYU(8-5)
Bowl Winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl
motorbike"And BYU is what? The best of the bottom of the
WAC?"Actually, BYU BEAT the WAC champion, unlike Utah, which
finished 0-1 against the WAC in 2012. Doesn't that make Utah 0-2 versus the
WAC in Utah's final two games against the WAC, ever?Congratulations WAC bottom dweller!
Swoop, really.Because of the vast disparity in strength of schedule, you cannot
compare win/loss between BYU and Utah. 54-10 and 24-21. Nothing, and you know
it, nothing else really is relevant. However, next year BYU actually has a
comparable schedule to Utah. Time will tell whose SOS is better. If BYU beats my
Utes and goes 7-5 or better, I will be impressed. Doubt it will happen with
gimpy running QB, new OC, and tougher schedule. But good luck!
@SwoopYour record comparisons don't account for schedule
differences. Utah has won 8 of 11 head to head with BYU. BYU's
2011 schedule was AWFUL. Yes that year Utah finished 8-5 and BYU 10-3. BYU also
played 4 cupcakes of the lowest level possible. Utah beat BYU 54-10 that season
and still BYU fans can't deal with it. As for BYU being ranked. That was a
joke and it was due to exposure and brand name. A 10-3 record sounds good except
when BYU was 6-3, they were nowhere near ranked. Then they finished the season
4-0 against Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. Suddenly they are
ranked. BYU won tight games against USU and UCF that could have gone the other
way that year. However, last year those tight games went against BYU.2012; Coach Whitt botched his QB situation as much as Bronco. And Utah went
5-7. Still, the difference in bowling between Utah and BYU is the schedule. BYU can go 2-6 against their tough opponents and 4-0 against the
cupcakes and still go bowling at 6-6 in this independence thing.
Good the kid values serving a mission and that he knows he can associate with
those who can help him in that resolve by attending the Institute on campus.
Far too many LDS kids adopt a cultural fixation on BYU at the
expense of realizing they'd do great things as missionaries just by setting
foot on other campuses and being their best selves day-to-day and associating
with others. Institute can be a great anchor and home away from home
culturally. I can name 11 personal friends who joined the LDS Church
directly because of having met someone LDS who they respected in colleges
outside of Utah - MIT, NYU, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Purdue, Texas, Oklahoma, OK
State. The world is our campus, indeed.
Another good pick up by Utah. I love how all the Utah Haters swoop onto the
thread, then pretend that losing 3 in a row, and 8 of 11 to there rival means
nothing. Too Funny!
The real story here is that BYU doesn't understand that Texas, and
especially Euless Trinity, is the home of the best high school football in the
country. There are VERY fine young men here that perhaps on paper don't
beat out athletes from other parts of the country, but they underestimate the
benefit of having played in Texas. And I simply cannot understand it. ALL THE
OTHER COACHES IN THE COUNTRY understand it. I live across the street from Plano
Sr. High, which has the winningest high school program in the state over the
last 50 years and I know every varsity coach. I see how the BYU recruiters
treat our players vs how other top programs treat our players. I don't
know if it is ignorant or arrogant----but it isn't working for them. I had
hoped they would see the light when Bingham was humiliated by Euless Trinity in
the Tom Landry Classic. You just can't stack your team with players from
Utah and hope to really compete with top D1 teams. Dick Harmon wrote a piece
about this, but even then soft-pedaled the obvious problem. Wake up, BYU!
Great pickup for the Utes. I would have loved to see him, and Levi, in Cougar
blue but heading off to Utah is also great. As for comparing the two schools
over the last two years... neither has done anything, so who cares? Let's
wait until either team gets a quality win before we start crowing.
Congratulations to the Utah program and this young man. Just curious about one
of the comments in the article. He seemed to be impressed with the Utah
facilities. Would those be the trailers where the football offices are located?
Vaenuku seems to be very intelligent. I'm sure he just did not want to
placy for Bronco. Smart choice!
86&90UTE"Swoop, really. Because of the vast disparity in
strength of schedule, you cannot compare win/loss between BYU and Utah."Vast disparity? BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams. Utah only played TWO!But you can compare final rankings.Coaches/AP/Sagarin2011 BYU #25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked/#392012 BYU unranked/#26 >
Utah unranked/#61The difference wasn't just the schedule and
bowling, it was the overall results. BYU beat #16 Utah State, ACC
division champ Georgia Tech (which manhandled USC in the Sun Bowl), and MWC
co-champ SDSU in 2012.Utah beat BYU and NOBODY else.Best
case scenario for Utah playing BYU's schedule would have been losses to
Boise State, Utah State, Oregon State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and San Jose
State, and a loss to SDSU in the Poinsettia Bowl. A bowl game loss and a losing
6-7 season for Utah, still not as good as BYU's 8-5 bowl game winning
gdog3finallyNice spin about SOS, but why do Utah fans pretend that
pollsters consider SOS for every team in the country, EXCEPT BYU?You
do realize, don't U, that the AP writers, Coaches, and Sagarin ALL consider
WHO teams played along with records against said teams, in determining where to
rank each team, including BYU?Why was Ohio State(12-0) only ranked
#13 by Sagarin? Because Ohio State's SOS was #60.So
it's obvious that Sagarin considers SOS very carefully in his rankings.Despite your SOS spin, BYU still finished higher in Sagarin's
ratings the last two years.2011 BYU #34 > Utah #392012 BYU
#26 > Utah #61Sorry to burst your jealous, crimson bubble, but
you don't get credit for playing a tougher schedule if you don't WIN!
Welcome to the U Vaenuku! Be careful though: you are letting the secret out
that the U is the best LDS campus in the country. If everyone finds out that at
the U you get all of the LDS benefit of BYU but none of its burdens (and play
for a better program/team to boot), who knows what consequences will follow. I
prepared for my mission at the U, met my wife there, married her in the temple
while at the U, and we now enjoy taking our little family to the games. But
let's just keep this between you and me. I don't want to upset any
other institution in the state that might be upset if word got out about what a
great LDS campus the U is. Excited to see you on the field! Go Utes!
I love the way the cougars are all over this article on Utah recruits, detailing
how much better their team fared last year. Sounding off about how well the
cougs did in their "conference", compared to how the Utes finished in
their conference. Bragging about the cougs beating the WAC champions while the
Utes lost to the same team, blah, blah, blah.All the while they
conveniently fail to mention the first and foremost comparison between any two
teams is head to head matchups. Three straight and 8 of 11, is somehow
overlooked by the spin doctors of cougar nation. Nicely spun.
Congrats to Utah and to Gaius. I'll enjoy watching him play. He appears to
be a fine young man. I hope he prospers in the gospel, in his life, and in his
game. Best of luck.
@UteanymousSorry to burst your bubble but when you don't beat a
certain team it generally means your not better than that team. You can throw
out as many stats as you want but in the end a loss is a loss. I'm not a
BYU hater but dude you've lost 3 years in a row so you have absolutely no
bragging rights. You have nothing against us because you LOST! If you were a
smart BYU fan then you would realize that. This goes for Utah fans as well. When
we lose then we should not talk any heat. Even if we have a better record. The
"which team is better" game depends on the game they play. So UTAH fans
and BYU fans stop crying about the number of wins and losses or who went to a
bowl game. Utah won this year so we were better this year. Why would we be
The LDS Institute building is the most impressive aspect of Utah's campus
and program...that's going to leave a mark.
@ChrisBI am a Utah fan Chris but you need to really think about some
of the posts you make. Stop giving BYU fans things to jump on and create fusses
Sounds like he never considered BYU. Between utah and TCU, I'd say that he
put football fifth.
Go Utes"If everyone finds out that at the U you get all of the
LDS benefit of BYU but none of its burdens (and play for a better program/team
to boot), who knows what consequences will follow."Having
attended both universities and having graduated from Utah, I can tell you from
first hand experience that the cultures of the two universities are very
different, and no, you can't get all of the LDS benefits at the U that you
can enjoy at the Y.Not once did I have a professor at BYU demean my
religious beliefs. It happened frequently at the U.Not once did I
have to tolerate drunken, disorderly fans at LES. It happens frequently at the
RES.You can pretend that BYU's honor code is a "burden"
for LDS athletes, but holding yourself to a higher standard is only a burden if
you don't believe in the standards in the first place.As far as
"better" football program, you have absolutely no evidence from the past
two seasons that Utah has a better overall football program than BYU.
Head-to-head doesn't prove anything if you have worse overall seasons.
@BlueCougBuddy, if you can't take someone "demean" your
faith then you are a weak, weak person. I've spent a lot of time on both
campuses and I prefer Utah by leaps and bounds. If you prefer the group think
scenery, then BYU is the place for you. You don't have to decide for
yourself on anything...you just follow the crowd and you'll be ok. If you
want to evaluate what YOU believe as a person, then Utah is the place for you.
You can find any crowd you want to at Utah, be it good or bad, but you have to
decide what you believe and stand for it. I appreciated the diversity and the
chance to be challenged on my beliefs for the first time in my life (you
won't get that at BYU, that is for sure).Maybe Gaius
didn't want to go where everyone would think for him and decide what is
best for him. Maybe he wanted a little bit of freedom to find his own path.
Good choice and I can't wait to see him chasing down BYU quarterbacks soon.
Bluecoug:Spoken by someone who really embraced "The Campus Is
Our World." Looks like it still is.
Wow, the spin cycle is in full gear. Who had the best team on Sept 15, 2012?
Utah 24 - BYU 21. Simple math, simple concept 24 points > 21 points.
That's a fact. Who had the best team at the end of the season? We will
never know, but there's no doubt about one thing; Utah has score board in
2010, 2011 and 2012. BYU got a loss, all three times. There's the cue to
shift the spin cycle into over drive.
bdckpakccdPlano, TXThe real story here is that BYU doesn't
understand that Texas, and especially Euless Trinity, is the home of the best
high school football in the country. OK, Plano boy, you might want
to look at the last 10 years when Plano's nemesis, little Allen Texas up
the street has been the best program in Texas. Euless is a storied program, no
doubt, and a magnet for Polynesians, obviously. But arrogance is no substitute
for good football.....
Wiscougarfan"Great pickup for the Utes. I would have loved to
see him, and Levi, in Cougar blue but heading off to Utah is also great. As for
comparing the two schools over the last two years... neither has done anything,
so who cares? Let's wait until either team gets a quality win before we
start crowing."Props for the the most logical, level-headed
comment in this thread.
TFUDD"Sorry to burst your bubble but when you don't beat a
certain team it generally means your not better than that team."So, based on this bogus theory that Utah fans continue to cling to
doggedly:Was Texas A&M, who beat Alabama 29-24, better than #1
Alabama?Was #7 Stanford better than #2 Oregon?Was BYU(8-5) better
than #16 Utah State(11-2)?Was Colorado(3-10 better than Utah(8-5)?Was Wyoming(6-6) better than Utah(8-5)?Was UNLV(2-10) better than
Utah(9-4)?If Utah wins the PAC 12 championship, plays in the Rose
Bowl, finishes 11-3 and is ranked in the Top 10 next season, but loses to BYU,
who finishes 9-4 and unranked, will Utah fans still claim that BYU was the
better team because BYU won the head-to-head matchup?If none of the
above is true, then why do Utah fans continue to completely defy logic when it
comes to comparing BYU and Utah?
Obviously the desire to play in bowl games was not a determinant.....
@J-TXNo, but obviously playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (best
case) for his entire college career may have been a factor....
ute4ever"Buddy, if you can't take someone "demean"
your faith then you are a weak, weak person."I never said I
couldn't take it.I've been all over the country and to
many, many countries world wide and heard much worse than I heard at Utah, but
that still doesn't excuse religious bigotry at any institution of high
learning. The "group think" that you speak of at BYU is a
myth. Over 2/3's of BYU's students come from outside Utah
and though most share the same religious beliefs, their opinions are very
diverse. The majority of BYU students have been challenged about their religious
beliefs for most of their lives.By comparison, 90% of Utah's
students come from Utah and the majority commute from their homes in the Salt
Lake Valley.Most of my extended family are Utah graduates and I
believe that the U is a fine institution, but trying to claim that you can enjoy
the same LDS experience at the U as at the Y is simply not true.
Snack:Those are sure a lot of words to try, in vain, to explain away
3-in-a-row and 8-of-11.
JohnInSLCTry to explain away:Top 25 FinishesBronco
5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 110-plus Win
SeasonsBronco 5Kyle 3Bowl GamesBronco 8Kyle
7And please don't give us some lame excuse about strength of
schedule; most of those achievements occurred while BYU and Utah were both
members of the MWC.The hard reality that Utah fans simply
aren't willing to accept is, as mediocre as BYU achievements may have been
since going independent, they still exceed Utah's complete lack of any
accomplishments as a member of the PAC 12.It's really quite
humorous that Utah fans are forced to cling desperately to their BYU wins, since
you've been such a miserable failure in everything you've done in the
JohnInSLCSpin it however helps you sleep at night, but higher end of
season ranking = better team.In 5 of the 8 seasons during the
Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished higher than Utah in the final rankings.That's just the way it is.Coaches/AP/Sagarin2011
BYU #25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked/#392012 BYU unranked/#26 > Utah
unranked/#61----------Congrats to Gaius Vaenuku on
choosing a fine school; hope you enjoy your stay at Utah. Good luck on your
So Utah has 30 recruits. 2 of them are 4-star and 26 are 3-star. BYU has
27 recruits. 1 of them are 4-star and 11 are 3-star.
ute4everIt is true that you can find any crowd you want to at Utah,
be it good or bad, and you do have to decide for yourself what you believe in
and stand for, but it's also true that there are certain professors at the
U who are downright hostile and antogonistic toward LDS beliefs.Gaius doesn't sound like he's interested in "exploring" who
he is and not being "hindered" by others deciding for him. If
that's your take on why he chose Utah, then you've obviously missed
the point of why he was so excited about the LDS institute building.
atl134Yet BYU will still end up playing in more bowl games and
finishing higher in rankings than Utah.
@atl134"So Utah has 30 recruits. 2 of them are 4-star and 26 are
3-star.BYU has... blah, blah, blah..."Why did Utah hang
PAC 12 banners all over Salt Lake City, or so I've heard, if you're
still so obsessed with BYU that you have to compare everything Utah does to BYU?
Shouldn't you be more concerned with how your recruiting stacks up against
other PAC 12 teams?For example,#8 USC - with only 13
recruits (all 4- and 5-star)#12 UCLA - 23#19 Washington - 21#22 Oregon - 16#28 California - 28#37 Arizona - 26#38
Stanford - 12#40 ASU - 26Utah isn't even in the Top 40,
per ESPN.So what makes you think you'll ever be competitive in
the PAC 12, when you continue to finish at the bottom of the PAC in recruiting?
@Troytown"Why did Utah hang PAC 12 banners all over Salt Lake City, or
so I've heard, if you're still so obsessed with BYU that you have to
compare everything Utah does to BYU?"Heh, I'm actually a
fan of the rivalry and would've preferred BYU get the invite to the PAC-12
instead of Colorado. I'm comparing the two because practically half the
comments on this article are from BYU fans. Fact is comparing Utah recruiting
from this year vs the previous years indicates an uptick in projected quality
(not that that means anything until they play and either prove it or not), they
used to be similar to BYU in that regard, but there's starting to be a
I think its funny how the first three comments in here are about the actual
article, and the rest is smack talk. It's so entertaining to read. :-)
@Uteanymous . When talking about BYU's schedule, I am mainly talking about
the bottom 4 the last 2 years. Sure, you can speak of rankings and feelings of
the top of the schedule. But if you go 2 and 6 in a tough games tough games then
4 and 0 against the bottom 4, then you still go bowling. That's my point,
plain and simple. BYU played some tough teams the last two years. They also
played Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Hawaii, Weber State and podunk
State. NEXT year you can try to prove yourself. We will see.
Plano, TXThe real story here is that BYU doesn't understand that
Texas, and especially Euless Trinity, is the home of the best high school
football in the country. Plano - you might want to check out a
little program here in Concord CA called De La Salle High School. Then get back
Stop for a minute, BYU fans: Why are you all over this article on this
obviously good young man who has chosen Utah over BYU? Man, your fan base has
degenerated into a bunch of guys who sit around name-calling and bad mouthing
your former rivals. And when you try to spin your data to say that BYU's
record is better than the U's, come on! We've beaten you 3 years in a
row, 8 out of the last 11, and overall 56-34-4. We own you guys.
Deal with it.
atl134"I'm comparing the two because practically half the
comments on this article are from BYU fans."Nice spin, but the
truth is, Utah fans were taking jabs at BYU before the first BYU fan had posted
a comment.When was the last time you or any other Utah fan visited
the blog of any other PAC 12 foe?It's obvious that Utah fans
live in this constant state of denial, pretending that BYU is completely
irrelevant, yet constantly obsessed with everything that is even remotely
connected to BYU.Guaranteed, there will be 100 times more comments
from Utah fans about BYU during 2014 and 2015, when BYU and Utah aren't
even playing each other, than about any team in the PAC 12.
Tom in CA---No one said anything about CA, but it is accepted that Texas high
school football is some of the best. Upwards of 30% of all NCAA football
players played high school ball in TX. It IS the battle ground for recruiting.
That's pretty undisputed. I'm sure you have a fine program----but the
entire state is a perennial powerhouse in Texas. And yet BYU has the
lion's share of their players from Utah----and their biggest dog, Bingham,
was DISMANTLED by Euless Trinity. Plano lost to Trinity by 3 points in the 3rd
round of the playoffs that year. That year our district was the 3rd toughest in
the nation (and the top 2 were not from CA). Yet BYU didn't even LOOK at
any of the kids from Plano. I knew almost every single player and there were
very talented athletes that would be undeterred by the honor code---yet
deafening silence from the Cougars. Our coaches have been SHOCKED by how they
have just blown off some of the LDS kids to have gone through Plano. In
football, you cannot ignore Texas and compete at the highest levels. Even ESPN
@BlueCougGroup Think in Provo is NOT a myth. I have experienced it
time and time again. You are programed to think a certain way, have certain
values, view situations the same. It is a huge machine that robotically
programs people to think a certain way. I don't care if there are 180
countries represented by BYU, the professors, clubs, fraternaties, and
everything about BYU is a huge group think exercise. If you don't believe
me, just try putting an Obama/Biden sticker on your car and pull into a BYU
parking lot. You will get stares like you just ran over someone's dog. At Utah you have people raised differently, with different moral
compasses, with different opinions. I know for a fact there are
people who go to Utah to avoid the Utah county group think. Maybe Gaius is one
gdog3finallyIt's true that BYU was forced to schedule some
awful WAC teams to fill their 2011 and 2012 schedules in such a short time
period after going independent, but it's also true that Bronco almost
never loses to mediocre teams. There was a huge gap between the very good and
the very bad teams BYU played, but that doesn't prove that BYU
couldn't have gone 4-0 against teams somewhere in the middle, like Georgia
Tech.Despite playing a "PAC 12 schedule", Utah also played
its share of bad teams the last two years - Colorado(3-10; 1-11), WSU(4-8; 3-9),
OSU(3-9), Cali(3-9), No Colo, Montana State), but unlike BYU, Utah didn't
win all of those games.In2012, BYU lost 4 games (3 of them to Top 25
teams) by a total of 13 points, all on the road, and only lost one game all
season by a touchdown or more, proving that even with an extremely mediocre
offense, BYU was within striking distance of finishing 12-1.All 7 of
Utah's losses were by a touchdown or more.BYU finished #26 in
Sagarin; Utah finished #61. Not even close.
goredYou own NOTHING!National ChampionshipsBYU
1Utah 0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0National Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0Players
Inducted into the National College Football Hall of FameBYU 6Utah
0AP/Coaches Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5Conference Championships during the last half centuryBYU 23Utah
6Head-to-head during the last half centuryBYU 29Utah
21Utah's leather-helmet era "glory" days are ancient
history, and even then, Utah did absolutely nothing on a national scale.And now, Utah's flash-in-the-pan break through years of 2004 and
2008 are quickly fading.The Utes have been in steady decline since
2008.Being a whipping boy for the PAC 12 is nothing to beat your
chest about, although Colorado and Wauzoo certainly appreciate the company.
@Uteanymous"BYU was within striking distance of finishing
12-1."----------Congrats for the biggest spin of the week.
Nicely done.I don't think it's possible to top that one!
ute4ever@BlueCoug"Group Think in Provo is NOT a
myth. I have experienced it time and time again. You are programed to think a
certain way, have certain values, view situations the same. It is a huge machine
that robotically programs people to think a certain way. I don't care if
there are 180 countries represented by BYU, the professors, clubs, fraternaties,
and everything about BYU is a huge group think exercise. If you don't
believe me, just try putting an Obama/Biden sticker on your car and pull into a
BYU parking lot. You will get stares like you just ran over someone's dog.
At Utah you have people raised differently, with different moral
compasses, with different opinions."LOL!It's
quite obvious that you've bought into a stereotype and don't have a
clue what you're talking about. I have some very good friends who are avid
BYU fans, yet their families have been die-hard Democrats for several
@ Swoopy"And BYU is what?""Better than U!2011 - BYU(10-3) Ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked2012 - BYU(8-5)
Bowl Winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl"Let me get this straight!
According to BYU logic:BYU is better than Utah because they had a
better record which includes beating up on cupcakes (which made up half their
schedule) and lost to all their tough opponents. Utah on the other
hand had a worse record because they played quality conference opponents which
makes up most of their schedule. Yet, Utah still beats BYU head to
head for the third straight year and 8 out of the last 11 years. But that loss
doesn't matter to Y'ners because they had a better record than Utah.
So in their minds they're better! Wow! That logic makes no
sense! But this logic does:Utah was better than BYU
because they beat the Cougies last year head to head. So that means we're
better than you last year, and the year before, and the year before that!
I'm a Cougs fan, but I remember the single biggest impediment to my serving
a church mission was the "mission prep" priesthood-meeting class I had
to attend during my freshman year at the Y (which was taught by three Grant Von
Harrison disciples, one of whom was the son of a GA). It was so off-putting
that it took me six additional months, and a big pep talk from my stake
president at home (who assured me I could be myself and still be a good
missionary), before I submitted my application.On a lighter note,
I'm reminded of the old joke about the BYU football fan who asked the Utah
fan in front of him to sit down, saying, "You're blocking my
vision!" To which the Utah fan replied, "Sorry, I didn't know you
were having one."
Welcome home Gaius!!! You picked the right school! Great play with the hats
on T.V - hilarious!!Go Utes! Love those kitty trolls!!
Wiscougar fan - words to live by. Thanks for being an objective fan, we need
more like you.
midmajor, swoop(really, was "cosmo" busy?), troy, et al:Lots
and lots more words don't erase 3-in-a-row and 8-of-11 from the scoreboard.
But thanks for playing. Your consolation prize is another
late-November, late-night home game against Idaho State to try to get
fuddyduddy"BYU is better than Utah because they had a better
record which includes... blah, blah, blah"No, BYU is better than
Utah because BYU beat the 16th ranked WAC champion, BYU beat an ACC division
champion (on the road), and BYU beat a MWC co-champion in a bowl game, which FAR
exceeds anything Utah did in 2012.Just as in 5 of the last 8
seasons, BYU finished higher in the rankings than Utah.In 2012, it
wasn't even close!BYU #26Utah #61Sorry to
disappoint you, but there aren't any trophies awarded for playing a tougher
All the trollers are just still angry that they only have one home game after
Halloween, and that's against the Bengals - the Idaho State Bengals!!
That's in addition to the horrible 2013 recruiting class!!! Ain't
"No, BYU is better than Utah because . . . [fill in tortured logic
here]"Christy:Reading some of these
"explanations" from the cougies makes one wonder: If the Y is so much
better why they couldn't they beat the Utes on the field the last 3 years,
and could only win 3 nail-biters in the last 11 years? Of course, I
realize I'm just inviting more inane explanations [Riley was hurt, Roscoe
and Doman are lousy coaches, Heaps had a hangnail, Max ("Kruger Is Still
Open") Hall is color-blind, ad nauseum), but they ARE quite entertaining.
I want to weigh-in on the whole "group think" criticism of BYU. As a
BYU alum I definitely agree that there are many like-minded persons living and
teaching in Provo. However, making a sweeping generalization that students are
taught to think in the same way and value exactly the same things is ridiculous.
BYU is very unique given the spiritual nature of the university and the
accompanying culture (praying in class, honor code, mandate to attend a church,
etc.). Having taught at a Big 10 school (and in it's institute program) I
can understand why someone (like Vaenuku) might want to attend a public
university with a strong spiritual component (e.g. institute), but that
doesn't make BYU a brain washing machine.
@midpac/ducky/bluto/whateverIn response to your post, again, we OWN
YOU.You insult our overall record over you, implying that it's
old, yet you turn around and give a bunch of meaningless, irrelevant individual
stats from 30 years ago as if that validates your position.2004 and
2008 is current, and 2 undefeated seasons during the BCS era is a great
accomplishment. Where has BYU been during this time, besides beating up on
lower-tier WAC teams and getting pummeled by the good teams?You say
"The Utes have been in a steady decline since 2008." Haha! During that
time Utah has beaten your BYU team 4 out of 5 times. What does that say for
BYU?Come on, surely you can do better than that.
Unfortunate that Kyle W. will probably be history at the U before he gets to see
the fruits of this recruit. After 3 consecutive years competing with Wazzu for
PAC basement squatting rights and 2 years in a row spending December at home
watching bowl games I'm betting Ute fans will have had enough and start
calling for Boylen's, er I mean Whittingham's head.
VegasUte"All the trollers are just still angry that they only
have one home game after Halloween, and that's against the Bengals - the
Idaho State Bengals!!"LOL!Is that the best you can
come up with?While BYU fans are home watching games at Notre Dame,
Wisconsin, and Nevada, Utah fans will be freezing their behinds off in RES
watching ASU and Colorado (yeah, that's a season finale to look forward to
every season, LOL!)Meanwhile, BYU fans can look forward to attending
games against Texas, Utah, Ga Tech and Boise State in September and October
while the weather is still nice.
goredUtah's overall record over BYU was compiled almost
entirely during the period when football was little more than a club sport at
BYU. 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah, because BYU
didn't even have a football field of their own for many of those years.It's not just that most of Utah's wins came over half a
century ago, it was that Utah had absolutely no accomplishments of any kind on a
national scale during their entire history from 1892 to 1962. Utah was nothing
more than a mediocre team beating up on even more mediocre teams in conferences
that don't even exist today.It's a proven FACT that Utah
has been in steady decline since 2008.2008 13-0 #2/#42009 10-3
#18/#182010 10-3 unranked/#232011 8-5 unranked2012 5-7 no
bowlIf you're having a hard time grasping the concept of steady
decline, have your math teacher graph Utah's record for you - maybe that
will help you see what steady decline looks like.
Little kitty trollers making fun of Utah's recruiting class, when their own
is so far beneath ours, is hilarious. It would be like Max Hall making fun of
Alex Smith because he only won six games as a starter this year!!Go
@ BlueCoug 9:59 a.m.I find your post very amusing. Looks like I
struck a tender nerve! Depsite your personal anecdotes, you have no
evidence of what you are saying. I have been to games in Lavel stadium and have
certainly been bothered by drinking (BYU) fans. Sure, there may be less, but
you said you have never seen. I have. I have seen a hot dog hurled into the U
fan section. I have seen a lot. Unlike you, I will not claim that it never
happens at LES. I attended the U for two degrees and not once did I
ever hear a professor demean the church. Does that mean it does not happen? I
don't know, but unlike you, I am not going to claim that based on my own
experience I know what goes on everywhere. All I can say is, my faith grew
while at the U. Lastly, you assume that I think that the honor code
at BYU is the "burden" to which I referred. Not at all. The burden I
see is primarily the arrogance culture. I lived by all church standards while
at the U, by my own choice.
The Y was also heavily recruiting Mr. Vaenuku! Luckily for Utah the decision
did not rest solely on "football" considerations but the Institute
program at the U was a deciding factor!
I'm very proud of my nephew. I[m more a BYU fan but now I'm going to
go for Utah. More important I'm happy he will be serving a mission and
thats more important to me than football even though I love the game. I believe
he will be a better player when he return home from his mission. A mission
teaches you discipline and values which it will help him. Go Keio!!!
@ Snack PAC 10:44 a.m. Jan. 29, 2013In order for that scenario to
occur, byu has to beat the U. Until it happens, your hypothetical is
null & void.
to atl134 on 1/29Even more convincing, look at NFL rosters... SF,
Baltimore, Carolina, & Miami for starters.
@BlueCougAs far as "better" football program, you have
absolutely no evidence from the past two seasons that Utah has a better overall
football program than BYU. Head-to-head doesn't prove anything if you have
worse overall seasons.-----------Last 2 seasons...vs. BCS Teams:Utah 9-11 (1-4 against final ranked teams)BYU
4-6 (1-5 against final ranked teams)vs. Other Teams:Utah
4-1BYU 14-2Pretty even, the difference head to head Utah owns
BYU: 2-0 (8 of last 11). Ask the NFL who has the better players.
Christy BSorry to disappoint you, but there aren't any trophies
awarded for playing a tougher SOS.----------True, but I
rather go 8-5 playing in the PAC-12 then go 10-3 playing a WAC-lite schedule. I
think TCU fans will agree:2011 TCU SOS #82 finished #14 11-22012 TCU SOS #16 finished 7-6Don't worry one day BYU
fans will understand what playing a "real" schedule feels like.
WOW!!!! Jabari Parker and now Gaius Vaenuku...It looks like Campus Institute of
Religion Program - 2 BYU- 0. Looks like LDS athletes are seeing you can have
your cake and eat it too! Play for a PAC-12 team, beat BYU consistently and have
a powerful religious influence all in the same bite. No wonder there are 23
rm's on the U football team. Keep on coming and the U will give you the
whole experience along with diversity. Wow- that would prepare you even more for
a missionary experience!!!!
Best wishes to this young man. He appears level headed and well-grounded. I
hope he finds success on and off the field.Reading the comments
about the difference between the Y and the U is always interesting, if not
always enlightening. Having attended both schools, there clearly are some
differences, but I enjoyed my experience at both. I find most of the time folks
find what they're looking for wherever they go. If they're looking
for problems they find them, looking for controversy they find it, looking for
happinesss they find that as well.I had no trouble finding the good
on both campuses. There was plenty of it in Provo and on the hill.
Uteology"I rather go 8-5 playing in the PAC-12 then go 10-3
playing a WAC-lite schedule."And I suppose you'd rather
play a tougher schedule and stay home for the holidays than go bowling.LOL!It's laughable that you throw records against ranked
teams out there as a badge of honor, yet completely ignore the fact that of the
two teams, BYU was the only team to actually finish in the Top 25 in 2011 and
was the only team to actually beat a ranked team in 2012.2011 BYU
#25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked #39 (in Sagarin)2012 BYU unranked/#26 bowl
winner > Utah unranked/#61 bowl no showUtah's SOS and
record are already calculated into the final rankings, so as much as you
desperately want to spin the results because the rankings don't support
your own biased opinion, no double-dipping allowed.What's the
point of bringing TCU into the discussion? The exact same formula was used for
the Horned Frogs.Bottom line: BYU's record against BYU's
schedule was more impressive than Utah's record against Utah's
schedule in both 2011 and 2012.That's just the way it is. Live
@mussingaroundLet me explain:TCU with a #82 SOS finished
#14 in the MWC.... in Big 12 they went 7-6 with a much tougher SOS.Utah went 33-6 in the last three years in the MWC... in the PAC-12 we are
13-12.Now given the fact that both TCU and Utah:A) OWN
BYU on the fieldB) Have better talent according to the NFL draftWhat makes you think BYU with a "real" schedule would do any better?
Congrats on the accomplishments, but BYU isn't even in the same
league playing a WAC-lite schedule.
UteologyNo explanation necessary; we all understand how records and
SOS are used in calculating final rankings.Despite your frantic
spamming of irrelevant "facts", BYU finished ahead of Utah in the final
rankings in 5 of the last 8 years.Instead of basing the success of
your entire season on one game, maybe you should try beating a conference
opponent with a winning record.btw, Utah was 0-1 against the WAC
last season. You're lucky you didn't play a WAC-lite schedule in 2012
- at 2-2, with losses to Utah State and San Jose State, you wouldn't have
fared much better than you did in the PAC 12.
@UteanymousHave you ever noticed that if you, Duckhunter, and others
find comments I make about BYU sports to be unfavorable to you, then I get
personal criticism in return. Suddenly I live in a "crimson bubble, I am
jealous, and I have indignant meltdowns" ect... My comments are
NEVER riddled with attacks. If you can't stand differing opinions and
can't disagree respectfully, then maybe the labels given me are more
suitable to the pot calling the kettle black. To see only Utah fans
as hypocritical is justified inductive reasoning. It's not healthy and even
if you don't respect me, I will still try and warn you that hate is a
cancer that eats away at your soul. Both fan bases have a small
percentage of those walking the extreme edge of dogmaticism. Let's decrease
those odds within ourselves eh? For every Ute fan predicting Rose Bowls, there
are Cougar fans thinking Cosmo at QB would have had your defense undefeated. You can 'Rise and Shout' and still rise above it as well. Okay
that was goofy.
J-TX---I never said anything about Allen. They are a great team and have a
beautiful new stadium. Our game against you this season was one of the best
I've seen in a long time. Sooooo exciting and the best team did win,
albeit by one point. Please understand I was quoting Plano's record over
the last 50 years. They're not ALWAYS good, but usually. I only say this
because every other college in the country pays attention to our program because
of that record----except BYU. I only know about recruiters in Plano because of
my involvement with the program. I would hazard a guess that they aren't
anymore diligent in Allen than they are in Plano, but I can't say for
certain.And bringing Allen into the discussion adds to the
point---our district is overflowing with good teams. And that's only ONE
district. The state of Texas is gushing with them. And yet BYU doesn't
actively cultivate relationships in Texas. WHY NOT??? Every other team
does!And congrats to Allen's State Championship this year!
@bdckpakccd from Plano TexasRegarding Texas recruiting and BYU?That is all going to change with Anae in charge.He knows Texas well.
He's in for a rude awakening with the U's Professors and the Utah
fans.He'll need the sanctuary which the Institute will provide to
him.Utah is the only school in the Nation which does not honor
it's founder with either a plaque or a statue. Why?
ya'll can throw around SOS and sagarin rankings all you want... The only
real way to measure who is better is by competing against each other on the
field. We all know how that has turned out recently. BYU fans... It is quite
clear that Utah is a better football team than BYU.
gdog3finally"Have you ever noticed that if you, Duckhunter, and
others find comments I make about BYU sports to be unfavorable to you, then I
get personal criticism in return."Not that I don't
sometimes characterize some comments as "biased", but where in my
response to your comments did I criticize you personally?BYU was
forced to play some pretty weak WAC teams in order to fill their schedule on
short notice, but Utah has also played a bunch of pretty weak teams during the
last two seasons.More carefully scrutinizing the BYU and Utah
schedules from 2012 shows that BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams; Utah only TWO. BYU
played FIVE patsies, but Utah played FOUR.The argument that
Utah's worse 5-7 record is mainly a product of Utah playing a MUCH tougher
schedule simply isn't true. Sure, you can argue that Utah's average
SOS is a little tougher than BYU's, but, which team has the better chance
of winning two games, the team that plays a Top 25 and a Bottom 25 opponent, or
the team that plays two teams ranked somewhere in the middle?Utah
2012 simply wasn't as good as BYU overall.
unreasonableUte"ya'll can throw around SOS and sagarin
rankings all you want... The only real way to measure who is better is by
competing against each other on the field."The problem with your
pronouncement is Utah fans don't even believe it, except when the
circumstances conveniently favor Utah.Here's proof. Answer the
following question honestly: Which of the following is true?1. Texas A&M was better than National Champion Alabama in 2012.2. Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2011.3. UNLV(2-10) was
better than Utah(9-4) in 2007.4. New Mexico(6-7) was better than Utah(8-5)
in 2006.5. SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005.6. Texas
A&M(4-8) was better than Utah(10-2) in 2003.7. BYU(2-5) was better
than Conference Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942.The evidence is
overwhelming and is reflected in the polls and in the national rankings that one
single head-to-head game during an entire season doesn't prove which team
FAX manYou're using way too much logic. Just let them believe
in their own little fantasy. It's the only thing they have to cling to
since becoming a "big boy".
Just the FictionOn that day, the team that won was better. Were they
better at the end of the season? Maybe, maybe not, but we will never know unless
they play each other again. It's really a simple concept/fact; unless you
are trying to defend a loss.
Spokane Ute"On that day, the team that won was better."Or luckier!"Were they better at the end of the
season?"I'll let you answer your own question, by answering
the question posed by Just the FAX.Which of the following is
true?1. Texas A&M was better than National Champion Alabama in
2012.2. Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2011.3.
UNLV(2-10) was better than Utah(9-4) in 2007.4. New Mexico(6-7) was better
than Utah(8-5) in 2006.5. SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005.6. Texas A&M(4-8) was better than Utah(10-2) in 2003.7. BYU(2-5) was
better than Conference Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942.If you can
truthfully answer that all 7 examples are true, without any qualifiers, then
I'll buy your argument that the results of one game definitively proves
which team is better.
@gdogPlease show evidence of this "personal criticism" you
have received from me? Is it that I have pointed out your, and most of the other
utah "fans" around here, hypocrisy?I like having you post, I
like having christina b post, I like having naval lint, howie s, stg, and all of
the other utah "fans" around here post. You see for me this is fun and
entertainment and that is the difference between us. You take this stuff
seriously and get offended and indignant when anyone says anything less than
delusionally positive about utah. I actually enjoy it when you guys say things
about BYU because it is fun to expose you and mock you for saying it and in the
end I don't care at all what you guys actually think about BYU, it's
just fun for me to respond.And that is the difference, I don't
care what you think, you get offended by what we think and take it as a personal
insult. And to me that shows the difference between the 2 fanbases, if you are
confident in the accomplishments of your school it doesn't matter what
someone else says.
@messyguyRight off the bat, Texas A&M was better then Bama. They
beat them at there house, late in the season. So I guess when BYU beat Utah
State it was "Lucky". On that day, the team that won was better: Fact!
Who was better at the end of the season? Opinion, subjective. You may want to
google those words, since this is a tough concept for you and many other Cougs
to grasp. I guess anything but give the other team credit; or admit defeat. What
a sad and pathetic concept.
In my opinion, Utah was better than Arizona, UCLA and Utah State. In fact they
were not, they lost to all three and I give those teams credit. BYU fan thinks
BYU was better than Utah, Boise State, Notre Dame and SJSU. In fact, they were
not, they lost to all of those teams. There in lies the difference, I can man up
and admit defeat and credit my opponent when I lose. BYU fan can only spin the
truth and think they were better. What an awesome concept for BYU fan. They win,
even when they lose. Nice!
Spokane Ute"Texas A&M was better then [sic] Bama." Really, so all of the Coaches and Sportswriters who voted Alabama #1 and
Texas A&M #5 were wrong, as well as the supposedly infallible "bcs"
rankings, which didn't include Texas A&M in the Top 2?Proceeding down the list:2. Colorado(3-10) was better than
Utah(8-5) in 2011. FACT3. UNLV(2-10) was better than Utah(9-4) in 2007.
FACT4. New Mexico(6-7) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2006. FACT5.
SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005. FACT6. Texas A&M(4-8) was
better than Utah(10-2) in 2003. FACT7. BYU(2-5) was better than Conference
Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942. FACTI wonder how UNLV feels about the
Utes stealing their spot in the 2007 Poinsettia Bowl, since the Rebels were
BETTER than the Utes. Since Utah wasn't even as good as a 2-10 team, should
Utah's win over Navy still count, since the Utes obviously didn't
deserve to be there?It'll be a dark day in Uteville when Utah
loses to BYU in September.
Spokane UteSorry to interrupt the spin cycle, butBETTER
season = BETTER teamIt's a simple concept that every fan should
spokane ute"In my opinion, Utah was better than Arizona, UCLA
and Utah State. In fact they were not, they lost to all three and I give those
teams credit."Your opinion isn't the issue here. unranked/#44 Arizona(8-5), unranked/#31 UCLA(9-5), and#16/#17/#19
Utah State(11-2)all finished with better records and higher rankings
than unranked/#61 Utah(5-7), validating their wins over
Utah and proving that they were BETTER than Utah.There's not
any need for you to give those teams credit for being better, the final rankings
prove that they were better.
Hi Fred Vaenuku. I served an LDS mission in Germany and had the privelage of
meeting some awesom American Polyneseans there who were serving in the military.
I had great experiences at the U and I loved the institute there. I hope your
nephew's experiences will be as great as mine were. Go Cougars
and go Utes!
@Backpacn and UofU 1991Better season = better team? As a Utah fan i
will admit defeat when we lose. When BYU beats Utah i understand that they are
the better team. The final overall record doesn't tell us who the better
team is. We could go into the whole "cupcake" games thing but
that'd be pointless because every BYU fan in Provo would start posting
stats. The better season and the better team is not the same thing.I
guarantee that if BYU wins next year but Utah has a better overall season than
you would be saying the same thing that i'm saying now. The head-to-head
competition is the deciding factor. Pull your heads out and stop crying about
statistics.If Utah were to win the National Championship next
year(which it won't, I'm not that dumb) but lost one game to BYU, then
you would all claim to be the better team. All you arguing right now would claim
that BYU won the head to head matchup and was better.
@UTAH HATERSSo let us say that UTAH wins the BCS National
Championship next year(which unfortunately for me probably won't happen)
but they lose one game to BYU in the process. I'm willing to bet that most
BYU fans would say that they were the better team. Better overall record
doesn't always mean the better team. I would argue that BYU was the better
team for that game and that we lost. I'm probably going to get some grief
from fellow Utah fans but the head to head matchup is everything. I can't
believe your all throwing it out like garbage. Why do you think they even play
in the first place? To see who isn't the better team? That's the whole
purpose of sports in general to see who is the better team when they play each
@spokane uteThe only one of those teams I've seen any BYU fan
claim BYU was better than is utah, and I agree, I think overall BYU was better
than utah this past season, but utah had a better game the day they played. I
most certainly don't, and have never see another BYU fan claim, that BYU
was better than notre dame. I think BYU and boise were about equal and I think
BYU and sjsu were about equal, they beat BYU so they get the edge. I also think
BYU and usu were about equal and even though BYU beat them I give usu the edge
because they had the better overall season. And I think the vast majority of BYU
fans agree with me on every single one of those evaluations. It is
only utah "fans" that cling to a single game as the be all tell all of a
season and it is interesting that the one game they cling to in an attempt to
define their season is the BYU game. So in that case congratulations on a great
@ Spin Machine:"While BYU fans are home watching games.."That's the best YOU can come up with? LOL. Kitty trollers are
Welcome aboard fred Vaenuku! We are really looking forward to have your nephew
dominate on the field as a Ute. We look forward to a long a prosperous
relationship with Gaius.
Vaenuku, you made the right choice.If you want to play football in
the state of Utah and make the NFL, go to the U of U.In the last 5
years:Utah players drafted: 13BYU players drafted: 4In
the last 10 years:Utah players drafted: 25BYU players drafted: 12
Vaenuku, you may want to reconsiderPlayers who had never donned a
pair of shoulder pads before coming to the program, but were developed into a
first-round draft pick by the programBYU 1Utah 0Super Bowl MVPsBYU 2Utah 0National College Football
Hall of Fame PlayersBYU 6Utah 0Heisman Trophy WinnersBYU 1Utah 0National Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0#1 Draft Picks who have lead their team to only ONE playoff
win in 8 SeasonsBYU 0Utah 1
TFUDDYou honestly expect us to believe that the majority of Utah
fans actually believe that Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) last
year?I'd love to see what the actual survey results would be if
the D-News asked a 1000 Utah season tickets holders "Who was better last
season, Utah or Colorado?"Frankly, I doubt you even believe that
Glad to see the Utes picked up an LDS recruit. BYU picks up non-LDS recruits all
the time, but you don't see us BYU fans jumping all over the Ute fans going
"Oh what now! We stole one away from U!" Big whoop.
Little Brother Y, a few things:1. The NFL draft has not happened
yet, so it's impossible to say BYU "developed" anyone into a
first-round draft pick this year.2. There is plenty of proof that
Vaenuku indeed HAS donned a pair of shoulder pads in his life, so why would that
matter in the first place?3. A purely defensive player has never
won, and in all likelihood will never win, the Heisman trophy, so that has no
relation to Vaenuku either.That is a very feeble attempt at
discrediting the U's history of great football players.
I love the reference to the 1942 game; that's awesome. I guess we can agree
to disagree. From my stand point, the team that wins the game, on the field, was
the better team; certainly on that day. I know that's a crazy concept for
many. If you want to believe that the best team is decided by vote; so be it.
Let's say next year BYU beats Utah, but finishes 6-6; while Utah goes 7-5.
I guess per your criteria, Utah would have the better team? No way would a BYU
fan ever take that position. I guess what ever fits your agenda. If that
happens, I will come on here and say BYU had the better team. I guess
that's the difference between myself and others, I can give credit where
credit is due; as opposed to spinning the facts and stats to fit my agenda. @ Lone StarWho said Colorado had a better team than Utah last
year? Your reference is from 2 years ago, and on that day they had a better
team. They beat us fair and square.
StGtoSLC1. Is a given2. The point isn't whether
Vaenuku has donned a pair of shoulder pads, or not, the point is the vast
improvement in players who have gone through the BYU program - from no
experience to first round NFL draft pick (Ziggy); from walkon, no stars, to
Super Bowl starter (Pitta)3. A purely defensive has never won the
Heisman, but having a Heisman Trophy winner, as well as numerous other national
individual award winners, shows the calibre of players coming out of the BYU
football program - Heisman, Doak Walker, Sammy Baugh, Outland, Davey
O'Brien award winnersUtah has NEVER had a single national
individual award winner or national college football hall of fame playerUtah has had some great football players, but Utah has never had the
nation's best "fill in the blank"
@ Royal BlueI guess the BEAR BRYANT AWARD is
meaningless.....sheeesh! At least get your facts straight prior to posting!
royalblue, "the nation's best 'fill in the blank'" is a
purely subjective matter. Utah has had the nation's best pro prospect
according to 2005 NFL draft experts and the San Francisco 49ers. Utah had the
nation's best offensive lineman according to 2003 NFL draft experts and the
Carolina Panthers. If you're calling "givens," Utah has the
nation's best defensive lineman and possibly overall pro prospect this
year. That's a lot more recent and a lot more pertinent to this individual.
Cherry-picking stats is hardly reason enough for telling a young man he made the
wrong decision in the college he wants to attend, especially when the only
recent stat they can bring up is almost too obscure to comprehend.
Spokane Ute"I guess the BEAR BRYANT AWARD is
meaningless..."The Bear Bryant Award isn't a player
award.StGtoSLC"the nation's best 'fill in
the blank'" is a purely subjective matter"As is pretty
much EVERY award in major college football, including who gets to play in the
BCS championship game and who gets selected as at-large teams for BCS bowls, so
what's your point?That still doesn't change the fact that
BYU players have been so highly regarded nationally, that 15 such awards have
been awarded to BYU players versus 0 for Utah players, and 6 BYU players have
been inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame, again versus 0
Utah players.NFL draft picks are just as "subjective". Aaron
Rogers has turned out to be a MUCH better NFL QB than Alex Smith.As
far as relevancy goes, there's absolutely no proof that playing for Utah
will give Vaenuku any better chance of playing in the NFL than playing for
BYU.If he's good enough to play in the NFL, it doesn't
matter if he plays at podunk u, NFL scouts will find him.
I predict that this young man will redshirt next season, go on a mission and
then, seeing the error of his ways, will transfer to BYU.I
don't really believe that but the temptation was too much to overcome!
Just the FictionWho said anything about player awards? Per Royal
Blue "Utah has NEVER had a single national individual award winner or
national college football hall of fame player". Coach Whittingham is
certainly an "individual". But let's talk about current individual
awards, shall we? Star Lotuleiei is a 2012 first team all american. Funny, I
don't see any BYU players on the first team? Thanks for your input Mr.
Spokane Ute"Who said anything about player awards?"The discussion was about developing players, not coaches.Regardless, you missed the most salient point of Just the FAX's
comments:"If he's [Vaenuku] good enough to play in the NFL,
it doesn't matter if he plays at podunk u, NFL scouts will find
him."You have absolutely no proof that playing for Utah will
enhance Vaenuku's NFL chances any more than playing for BYU or anybody
@Y's little brother: Vaenuku, you may want to reconsider. Players who had
never donned a pair of shoulder pads before coming to the program, but were
developed into a first-round draft pick by the program-----------------Ansah would have been drafted playing at Weber
State since he played ONLY one year at BYU: "Entered his senior
season with zero career starts and just 10 total tackles." "STRENGTHS:
Rare combination of size, athleticism and natural power." "#1 Draft Picks who have lead their team to only ONE playoff win in 8
Seasons"That's a Ducky like comment, better luck next time.
More legit comment would be:#1 Draft Pick who lead is team to an
NFC championship game after 7 years on an inept team with 4 different coaching
staffs.Similar to what Steve Young did his first 8 years. Who went
from being a bust at Tampa Bay, to being benched for Steve Bono, to a Super Bowl
MVP.The awards you listed were for players developed under Edwards
and Chow, Vaenuku might as well join Chow at Hawaii because the fact is Broncos
and Co. do a better job of developing fireside talent than NFL talent.
@Soloman LeviUnderstood. I did take the comment some what out of
context. Both schools have produced all americans, and NFL talent. Heck, the
Seahawks have a starting guard from Weber State. Utah does have more players
currently in the NFL though. I have beat this thread to death. Have a good
evening Mr. Levi.....later!
UteologyYou're ignoring the fact that it was BYU coaches who
saw in Ziggy the potential to play football; it was Bronco who gave him a chance
to be on the team; and it was BYU coaches who carefully shepherded Ziggy through
the fundamentals and intricacies of the game until he was ready to step onto the
field. It's an undeniable fact, that without BYU, Ziggy would not be
playing in the NFL next season.
@ Yning little brother"Vaenuku, you may want to reconsider
because we had that one good qb a long time ago who wasn't nearly as good
as Alex Smith in the pros and then we have this other player who is going to the
NFL this year.. blah blah blah"Not that BYU was in his final two
choices, but to humor the Yners: if we set aside pac 12 affiliation, and which
program is clearly producing more NFL talent, he's probably just looking at
which team has dominated the other for the past decade (3 in a row, 8 out of the
last 11). It's why you're obsessed with us and desperately spinning
facts on articles about recruits who have already chosen our program over yours
I believe most BYU fans love BYU for the morals and principles it represents.
The smaller percentage of BYU fans who act in opposition to what BYU stands for
in order to proclaim their fandom and everyone else's folly are the ones
who hurt BYU's reputation and missionary aspirations. When the
bird hunters (so to speak) of the world place such emphasis on pointing out Ute
hypocrisy, they ironically often forget the hypocrisy of representing BYU
outside of the parameters that the church and most BYU fans positively