Comments about ‘Boy Scouts of America to vote on lifting ban of gay Scouts and leaders’

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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 4:30 p.m. MST

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sky2k1
Provo, UT

I am down with equality and fairness and I think that the boys should be allowed to participate, whatever their decision about who they like. That being said, I wouldn't be comfortable with gay leaders. Not because they would push their lifestyle on my kid, but because I wouldn't be comfortable with my son doing some overnight activity with a female leader just like I wouldn't want my daughter doing an overnight activity with a male leader. That's my 2 cents anyways.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

I was a scout master for both of my sons. My oldest son is gay and strugled at times with being picked on by older boys as a scout, but he worked hard in scouting and set a great example. My younger son is an eagle scout and loves scouting and scout activities. Both sons are men of integrity that live by the scout law. Both sons have been great scouts in my eyes.

There is still much to be learned about same sex attraction. As a member of the LDS Church I don't think it is appropriate for those envolved in scouting to promote a gay lifestyle. At the same time I don't think it is appropriate to discriminate against boys who are still figuring out who they are or to discriminate against men who are living a chaste life regardless of their sexual orientation.

Y71
COLLEGE STATION, TX

While the BSA statement is clear that local units are free to regulate their troops according to their standards and leadership, for me the greater issue is Friends of Scouting donations. Those moneys are for the council to use at its discretion. I donate to those causes with whom I share values. I quit donating to United Way because Planned Parenthood was a recipient of United Way funding and I cannot condone abortion. For the same reasons, I would not donate any further to BSA.

David
Centerville, UT

I am conservative, LDS, a scout leader, and straight. I do not think this announcement will affect the LDS Church position regarding scouting at all. I don't think this will affect the BSA at all. The BSA requires 2 deep leadership, adherence to Safe Scouting principles, does not tolerate physical, mental or sexual abuse of any kind, and does not allow hazing. Obviously I included much more here than revolves around the topic of this news article.

A gay scout leader will be required to adhere to safe scouting requirements, 2 deep leadership, and all BSA policies. I am confident that a gay scout leader can exercise self-discipline as well as a straight scout leader regarding sexual behavior.

I feel that the law of chastity and the laws of sexual purity pertain to straight and gay people equally. Sexual purity before marriage and complete fidelity to one's spouse after marriage. I believe in the sanctity of the family, and that marriage is a sacred contract between a man, a woman, and God.

Given this, I still do not see where a gay scout leader cannot serve in the BSA.

My position has evolved the past 12 months.

Artemisia Tridentata
Hawthorne, NV

As a 30 plus adult scout leader, I have never been aware of any policy on excluding boys from participation based on sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not part of any scout program. It is not an issue. There has been a recommended restriction for leaders, based on the Youth Protection program. No one in the BSA does any checking. Leaders are provided by the sponsoring organizations and they use their own criteria. If the Chartered Organization Head signs the application it is processed by BSA. This is not a big change. And, given the current research as has been referenced earler, it is not a big deal eather. If you are making a big deal out of this, you probably wern't paying our FOS anyway. So, now you have an "excuse".

David
Centerville, UT

Additionally, the BSA policy allows local units and chartered organizations to conduct restrictions. If the LDS church, of which I am a member, does not allow gay men to serve, then that is allowed under BSA policy. I will not enjoy seeing the tremendous pressure that homosexual groups will put upon the LDS church, and the violence that has attended protests against the church by gay groups in the past. I hope gays have moved beyond hatred towards the LDS church (think prop 8 in California).

I will accept whatever the LDS church presents upon this issue. I will have no problem serving as a Scout leader. I love scouting, I love the LDS church and the gospel of Christ.

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

This is what saves the BSA. Follow the money.

(And for the bigots -- keep in mind that per BSA policy and LDS policy, a gay and celibate LDS youth could participate fully in his ward and quorum but not in the troop associated with the quorum. This actually brings BSA into compliance with LDS standards.

It's all still about the money. They can't survive without the Church, and now this gives them a fighting chance.

Jack
Aurora, CO

While many try to wax prophetic about what the LDS Church will and won't do about this, understand that President Monson sits on that board and has had and will continue to have a great deal of input to the decision. As in all things, watch what he says and follow it, you won't go wrong.

A new policy will not make the Church do anything different, and since the Chartering Organizations have the responsibility to monitor membership in their organizations, it really won't affect them.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

All this talk is still in the consideration stage. With that said, I agree with what has been brought up about potential lawsuits against church sponsored troops. So the BSA is going to have a different standard for religious sponsored troops, really? Either everyone play by the same rules or don't change anything. Right there is the problem because the door is opening up to change scouting. How far will that door open? Too much is never enough for people of any group pushing an agenda. That includes alternative lifestyle supporters.

Interesting though. It's almost as if the LDS church saw this coming, especially with the mission eligibility changes. 12-18 boys are being steered in the mission prep direction now more than ever before. Scouting will take a back seat in my opinion and others as well in wards everywhere. And yes it's possible LDS, Baptist, Catholic and others that sponsor troops could stop.

Getter-upper
Orem, UT

There is no doubt that this change had already been discussed with the LDS Church and other Large Chartering units (Catholics etc.). The LDS Church will not drop scouting. This change actually aligns BSA gay policy with the LDS Church. Gay and Lesbians can serve and be active, temple worthy members as long as they live a chaste lifestyle. Right now an active LDS Gay 16 year old could be excluded from Scouts under the current BSA policy. I find it ironic that some LDS scouters say they will no longer donate to the Scouts if they make this change? Does that mean they will stop paying tithing too? Since the scout policy would align with Church policy! As a active LDS Member and scouter (with 3 boys in scouts) I welcome this change to allow all of God's children (young men) to participate in scouts and gay men leaders to serve in scouts if they meet the chartering organizations requirements.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@brasil
I have no doubt the oath holds great meaning to you and the current leaders but I also think they as many of us do would disagree with your interpretation of what those words mean and what it therefore means to follow the oath.

happylife
OREM, UT

This would be the end to scouting. The Southern Baptist Convention also put out a post that makes it clear that their support would also end if this policy changes. What's the big deal many people ask, being morally straight as part of the scout oath. If they change that, then scouting has no meaning. Of course, I suppose it would be possible for a person who is gay to continue to be morally straight and that would even be fine with me. But a practicing gay who advocates the lifestyle - no way. Scouting will end and should end as a statement on our corrupt society. I won't be using UPS or Intel anymore as they recently dropped their corporate support for scouting over this issue thus bringing about this reconsideration.

morganh
Orem, Utah

the scout oath says that a scout is morally straight. To change their policy, means that the BSA would now be contradicting their oath. Also changing their policy could cause one of their biggest supporters the LDS Church to sever their ties. I am a proud Eagle Scout who believes a scout should be morally straight and a change in their policy means that living a moral life is no longer something a scout should strive for.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Morally straight means...

heterosexual?

How about a standard here people.

Just because someone is gay does not make them bad.

What has a gay person factually DONE to you to warrant such hatred?

SportsFann
Bountiful, UT

The thing that is weird to me is what difference does it make? I don't care if someone is gay or straight. I don't understand why so many gay people want to make their private lives public. I don't care who people are with in their private lives and I would not want a heterosexual person talking about sex any more than their gay counterpart. So why does a person feel like they have to talk about such a private part of their life. Obviously, in some cases, this topic would come up if someone marries their partner, but no one is necessarily forcing people to disclose their sexual preference. I have no fear of a gay man being a Scout leader at all. I just don't know why it always has to be brought up. Good luck to everyone. I hope civility reigns supreme as this moves forward.

Paul Scholes
Provo, UT

I think that one or two years ago even this would have caused a big problem within the LDS Church. Like so many other organizations and individuals of the past year or two, the LDS Church has softened its anti-gay stance tremendously. While in many ways, I would not mind seeing the LDS Church reconsider its use of the Scouting program, doing so over this issue would constitute a move away from its recent, more tolerant gay outreach. I don't see it happening.

As an Eagle Scout and active member member of the LDS faith, I would welcome gay scouts and gay scout leaders. My Eagle award will not change in value one way or another. The ability of our children to effectively and lovingly interact with those who are different from themselves would increase. I want my children to interact with and be led by people of high moral integrity and have found such individuals in both the heterosexual and gay communities. I would welcome a more tolerant stance by the BSA.

Ricardo Carvalho
Provo, UT

As an active member of the LDS faith and an Eagle Scout, I would support this move by the BSA.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

As one of the previous posters said - "take a deep breath" and calm down - learn to be responsible for your own actions and stop trying to expect your beliefs to be legislated - with this pending change - that era is over - we all need to grow up and be accountable for how we act. No longer can you say - "I lived the law” (e.g. - no Gays in BSA) - now you will be required to actually show how you set the example (of treating everyone - including Gays - the same) and be willing to be held accountable for what you do.

Dennis
Harwich, MA

I worry more about those of you that protest so loudly than I do the humanity of equal rights.

Rynn
Las Vegas, NV

It's about discrimination. I'm sure that most people here would consider it discrimination to say "All Mormons are...(a negative description)." So why is it acceptable to say "All homosexuals are...(a negative description)."

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