@J-TX.. Congratulations to TX for not signing on to CC, one of only 3 states.
But, to your other point on spending... in my school district, we have 90%
pass rate in AP Calc for the past 20+ years. It was an amazing program started
in our HS by some teachers who did the work to coordinate the building blocks
that needed to happen all the way down through the lower grades. This is
an example of a great locally run program that is being thrown out by the state
when with the Common Core curriculum.
Have you ever seen the movie Dr. Ben Carson or read the book. Parents make a
difference. Somehow we need to get parents back into the classroom to help. I
participate in a tutoring program in an elementary school. I'm not sure
how much good I do but it's fun and the kids seem to like it. Reports are
that their reading is improving. I understand there are over 70 tutors, retired
and otherwise in one school. Great program. It's difficult to know what
is best but my vote would be to help in the elementary schools (early grades).
Teachers are doing a marvelous job for the hand they're dealt. If you can
get a child to read and enjoy reading you have won a major battle. Sometimes I
think we spend too much time with new programs etc. which take away from
teaching basics. I hope the all knowing people at the State Legislature can
come up with some workable ideas.Gary
We spend 4 Billion dollars on education in Utah and only about 30 cents of every
dollar gets to the classroom. Every few years we toss costly programs and
begin others wasting untold fortunes in books, training and other resources
thinking that there is some way that schools can compensate for failures at
home. We are about to begin the most costly one of all COMMON CORE which
is a total federal takeover of public ed. fraudulently foisted upon the public.
The curriculum is a disaster infused with the far left politics of organizations
like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation which has spent millions to both
develop and promote Common Core throughout the country; millions which they will
surely recover selling educational materials for the Common Core curriculum. REPEAL Common Core!
Thanks to those parents who know that they are the child's first teacher.
Thanks to those parents who continue to work with the schools and the students.
Thanks to those that really appreciate what good things are happening. Boo to
those who continue to espouse the over used rhetoric which trashes public
schools without seeing what is really going on.
JoeBlowYes! Both Democrats, and Rrepublicans are quick to spend
money that we dont have. My error, I thought you were blaming only George
Bush.IMO. We spend too much on education. Much of the funding is
wasted before it filters down to the classroom.
Scouter,You need to look at the legislation which was passed WITH the UEA
dealing with administrator and teacher evaluations. It is important that you
have all the information before throwing out a comment which is in direct
conflict to the actions of the UEA last session. As we move forward,
I suggest that we stop with the rhetoric designed to blame a certain group and
do what is recommended in this article-collaborate.
"Don't forget that No Child left behind was preceded by Clinton's
"21st Century". Both programs are a waste."Worf. Not
really sure the connection. My point is that Republicans and
Democrats are quick to spend money that we dont have.It was a
attempt to debunk the continuous notion on this board by those on the right that
the solution to our fiscal woes is not simply to elect Republicans. The GOP is
at least as likely to add to the deficit as the democrats.Many are
blind to that fact, or only carp about it years later.
I can't tell you how offensive it is to me, as a parent, that the state
believes they have a "responsibility to educate all children and help them
be successfule, regardless of circumstances". The only responsibility the
state has is to make a quality education AVAILABLE to all children, regardless
of circumstances. The difference between those two statements is
the difference between a mature society which accepts responsibility for
it's own actions, and a childish, lazy society who wants to abdicate its
responsibilities to someone else (the state), then blame that someone else when
things don't turn out the way they want.To accept that it is
the state's responsibility to educate our children is to accept that we
don't have a right to determine the type of education our children need,
and that the state has the final say in how to raise our children.
I have been following this issue for years now. I am a military wife and have
lived all over the country - with a three year stint in UT. I have served on
PTAs/PTOs everywhere I have been. I have been a school board president. I
volunteer in my children's classrooms doing everything from making copies,
to reading with children to helping kids who are struggling. What makes a
difference in how a school functions and whether kids succeed is if there is
parent involvement, parental support. As a mom, I know how hard it is to keep
going when all you hear is complaints. Teachers are pretty much in the same
situation. A little gratitude and support goes a long way. I think every
family should be required to volunteer 10 hours per child in the school or if
they are so busy with work, then they should be required to contribute $100 per
JoeBlowDon't forget that No Child left behind was preceded by
Clinton's "21st Century". Both programs are a waste.What's important, is fixing the problem, and getting current funding to
Time to eliminate ALL income tax deductions for children. All Utah Income Tax
goes to education. Why do parents refuse to pay as much as those without
children? Where are the "Family Values" when parents do not pay as much
to educate their children as everyone else?Utah teachers do an
outstanding job with limited funding. (I am not a school teacher).
The article decries Utah for having the lowest spending per student on education
in the US.There are two ways to look at this. One that
hasn't been voiced is, "Bravo" for holding the line on spending.
My kids have gone to public school in Oregon for 10 years and in Texas for 8
years. In Oregon, 38% of spending goes to Administration (non-classroom)
expenses. 34% in Texas. Both numbers are too high. I would wager that 1/4 of
every dollar is wasted. Utah spends 30% on Admin, but that's because there
is a minimum spend just to be in the business. When you look at the overall,
Utah spends 2/3 what Oregon and Texas spend. I think if you could find a way to
keep admin costs in line, and add dollars to the classroom (more, better
teachers) you would reap rewards.We chose areas to live that support
schools. We live with higher costs and more waste than I think is prudent. But
all my kids have calculus by the end of HS, and 1/5 of the HS kids participate
in band, orchestra or choir here in Allen, TX. Spend more, get more?
Dont forget that No Child left behind was the brainchild of George Bush.
Cosponsored by John Boehner and passed by a GOP majority. (with a yes vote from
Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor)Did this constitute "more loony lefty
indoctrination"Can you say medicare part D? With YES votes from
Cantor, Boehner, McConnell. The Largest entitlement program since LBJ. I am not saying that the left did not sign on to these plans.. Just
pointing out that the GOP is not exactly the "small government" party
that many would like to believe. At least not using history as a guide.And dont forget, both of these plans were not only championed by the
GOP, they also controlled the president, house and senate.Proving
that is it much easier to bash spending when you are not in power than it is to
cut spending when you are.
Money spent on schools does not necessarily go toward real education. First
things first; the Three Rs; Reading, wRiting, and aRithmatic are the essentials
that are the first things ignored in favor of the glamor stuff that is not
education. Too much money is wasted on administrative costs and salaries. Get
back to basics and all the other things will be more doable.
Without a budget plan for the passed four years, we cannot see where our tax
money has gone, or will be going.Only one percent to education is a
myth. Education is not under funded, but over regulated. Superintendents making
more then a governor is crazy.How many jobs does the military
create, and compare that to the funding of those on the dole for doing nothing.
I'd rather have people working.It would be shameful to cut
defense, and place workers on the dole.
It makes no sense to me that we provide special attention to kids who are
behind. My child, who is two grades ahead receives nothing. A kid with a
learning disability is given a one on one tutor while my kid sits in class all
day twiddling her thumbs. This logic is asinine. Obviously, private
school is our only option in Utah. The government funded schools completely
fail our family.
Big Government and Big Education have teamed up to indoctrinate our children to
"think right" about all issues, meekly pay their taxes so the
bureaucrats can be paid ever increasing salaries, while taxpayers keep ever less
of their own money. And, of course to ensure that kids will feel good about
living on the liberal welfare plantation, and voting for liberals.Parents- your kids do not need more loony lefty indoctrination, they need real
education. Since the public schools no longer do that, it is time to send your
kids to private or parochial schools, or even charter schools- no matter how
much it costs. Even better, if you can do it is to Home School!Yes,
it does require more work to prepare your kids to live free, but they will be
eternally grateful for your getting them out of the liberal trap.
Welcome to the state of education these days. If you want your kids to have
opportunities, well then, you're likely stuck providing them yourself.
That's why I spent today working on special projects with my son. He
doesn't get them in school otherwise, which is a shame. As for spending, I
don't have a problem with funding education more than we do - as long as we
get rid of the deadweight, too, in the form of crappy teachers and
administrators who do a poor job. Let's admit it; we all know some. If
the UEA and districts would clean house, I'd gladly pay more. I am against
paying teachers more who don't produce more.
Is it any wonder?No child left behind focused on test scores rather
than education. Promoting a black marked of manipulated test scores instead of
comprehensive education.Any time a budget needs to be cut, education
is the first victim. Now having teachers purchase supplies for their
students.Education, makes up less than 1% of the national budget.
However, it is the first to be the target of budget cuts.Our US
military, spends x8 more than any country on earth, more than half of the US
budget.Which would you cut?It is impossible to make the
claim that education is a priority for America when we spend billions on Harry
Potter style invisible cloaks.x8 more on our military than any other
country on earth.That's eight China's.
Wait? Parents have obligations when it comes to the education of their
children?? Shocking! This might really be news to some people!!
In the passed thirty years, I have asked hundreds of parents, teachers, and
administrators if these tests improve learning, creativity,and over all
education. Not once has anyone said yes. Some say it's needed
for accountability.Why accountability, and to who? Schools are for
learning.Is it any wonder why we have a high welfare state,
unemployment, and half our college graduates are Asians?