These Democrats sure are eager to get busy spending other people's money,
and telling people exactly what to do and what not to do.Guess they
are not into that "freedom" and "work hard and reap the
benefits" stuff that the Republicans seem to like. (At least they like it a
little bit better, if not totally.)
Eager to spend other peoples money?Regan, tripled the debt.W. Bush, doubled the debt.President Obama? Has done neither.For all the talk of the debt, Democrats factually ARE doing a better job
on the debt than the GOP.
They are anxious to invest tax dollars we all pay on education for all of
Utah's children and under-educated adults. It's nothing to
congratulate ourselves for, to be 49th in the country in per student spending.
In fact, it's shameful, particularly when our economy is robust compared to
other states. As much as LDS people (and I am one) say they value
education, eventually we have to put our money where our mouths are.Nobody
wants to see wasteful spending, including Democrats. It would be nice to
read something other than the typical sweeping generalizations in reaction to
anything Democrats say or do.
@DN Subscriber 2"Work hard and reap benefits"? That is a
pipe dream the one percent wants you to believe. In the meantime we become more
of servants each year. Turn a blind eye and it will be too late to turn back.
I was actually very impressed and surprised with Utah voters this
last election. Voting Democrat has its' own problems as does the entire
American political process. But the lesser of two evils currently is to stop the
GOP from taking us further into the land of paranoia, fear, and make believe.
Voting for Matheson, even though he is a wealthy and seasoned
politician was still a smart move by Utah voters as they rejected the myth and
influence of outside the state of Utah GOP prop up jobs for Mia Love. Mia has an amazing story. Still, she was a pawn to the GOP's sneaky
diversity tactic. The party wanted that more than the ability to lead
objectively. What Mia ran on was political principles that were contradictory to
her own success story. Overcoming struggle has to have parameters for success
and not just a work hard and it works out rhetoric (small percentages there).
Debakis said "Utah Democrats are moderate, they're common sense,
they're not ideological and they want to solve problems," He obviously
has never met the Dems who live in Moab, Park City or Salt Lake.....
It is nice to read a positive story about the Democrats. But the facts are such
that the Democrats have fewer seats in the Legislature this year than last year.
The GOP has a super majority relinquishing Democrats bystanders.And
to Pagan, I don't understand your math. By all accounts I have read and
looking at the amount change in the national debt between Obama's first day
in office and today, Obama has managed to more than double the amount of the
debt. In fact, he has created more debt in his tenure in office that all
presidents before him.
Pagan,BO increased the debt more in 3.5 years than bush did in 8 and you
claim BO is better at debt? Really!?!?!?!?Your BO worship and
apology knows no bounds! I'd much rather have bush's roughly $500
billion deficits than BO's $ 1-2 trillion deficits any day
Obama's deficits wouldn't be possible without 2 wars and a bloated
military. Afghanistan almost broke the Soviet Union. The "war on terror"
has cost 4.5 trillion dollars.
Switcharoo,So why are BO's deficits higher now that the wars have
wound down than when they were fully engaged? Your comment has no connection to
Ah, the dollar figure.If Obama added ONE dollar to the national
debt, it would technically 'more' than any other President in American
history.Be reasonable.You expect Obama to avoid adding a
dime to the US debt while two un-funded wars continued? Iraq and
Afghanistan did not end before Obama took office. Rather, people expected him to
end two wars while adding zero to the national debt.Now...For Obama to be on par with Republican spending, he would have to have taken
the debt (factually, not a projection) to $30 trillion dollars.Has
he?Then stop lying about it.
Obama added to the debt with two wars...because W. Bush cut and
run.If Republicans could end the wars they begin, perhaps the rest
of us wouldn't be stuck paying for their bills.Let's not
talk about reality when we place the blame for the wars..on anyone but the
persons who started them.
Pagan,Fact number one. When Bush left office the debt was about 4.5
trillion. After Obama's first term our national debt is now over 16
trillion. Fact number two. "Obamacare" has over twenty new taxes in it
and members of his administration are now admitting that under
"Obamacare" premiums are set to rise. Fact number three. Obama is a
community organizer and loves to reward his friends at the expense of the
American people. He gave 1 billion dollars to companies such as Solyndra who
went bankrupt. Fact number four. Mitt Romney would have been a far better
President since he has experience as a Governor and head of the Olympics turning
deficits into surplus. But, the people ignored Obama's abysmal record and
we now have four more years of a community organizer not a fiscal conservative
in the White House.
When Bush left office, the debt was $4.5 trillion?No.You
are thinking of Clinton.It is truly pathetic how much lies people
allow on the Deseret news today.
@morganh"Fact number one. When Bush left office the debt was
about 4.5 trillion."The national debt at the end of Bush's
time in office was $10.6 trillion. Since the debt is the only objective
"fact" in your post, the rest of it goes downhill into opinion pretty
If you're looking to place blame for the deficit, start with these:Bush's two unfunded wars.Bush's tax cuts that
slashed federal revenues but produced no economic benefit.An aging
population.The economic meltdown, the most severe since the Great
Depression, that began in 2008.None of those are Obama's doing.
He inherited them when he took office in 2009.If you look at the
rate of change in the debt-to-GDP, during Obama's first term he slowed the
growth of the debt more than any president in the past 30 years.
Pagan,give it up already, your contortions are ridiculousgross federal debt, according to the US treasury, increased by
$4,899,100,310,608.39 from 1/19/01 to 1/20/2009, bush's term - 8 years.it only took BO until March 15, 2012 to accumulate that much debt, 3
years and 2 months. $4,937,932,842,854.90 increase in debt from 1/20/09 to
3/15/12But go ahead, keep insisting BO has been better at controling
the debt, when clearly he has been worse. We LOVE what it does for your
credibility.Blue,gross federal debt increased LESS when the
wars were at their height than it has since BO has taken over and they are
winding down, so CLEARLY the claim of the wars causing our massive debt lacks
credibility.No economic benefit? Then why did BO's own team
say in late 2010 it would wreck the economy if they expired?BO
SLOWED the growth of debt? how untrue! see my above comments to Pagan. it is
true deficits have decreased since the repubs took control of the house, since
they will not spend as much as BO wants.
B.O. his initials couldn't ring any truer could they? Bad Odor. Barry is
quickly dividing this country the way no other president has, or even tried.
It's either his way or the highway. I'm glad I'm taking the
highway, at least that way I stand a chance. I feel bad for his supporters. They
remind me of those people who get duped by guys like Jim Jones, or those other
crazies who waited for comets to take them "home". Let it be known from
here on out. "Community Organizers" should stick with communities, not
try and run a nation.
"These Democrats sure are eager to. . . [tell] people exactly what to do and
what not to do."Um.....is that not the definition of the GOP in
Utah? Doing their best to legislate morality?