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Published: Saturday, Jan. 26 2013 10:01 p.m. MST

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DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

These Democrats sure are eager to get busy spending other people's money, and telling people exactly what to do and what not to do.

Guess they are not into that "freedom" and "work hard and reap the benefits" stuff that the Republicans seem to like. (At least they like it a little bit better, if not totally.)

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Eager to spend other peoples money?

Regan, tripled the debt.

W. Bush, doubled the debt.

President Obama? Has done neither.

For all the talk of the debt, Democrats factually ARE doing a better job on the debt than the GOP.

Sophie 62
spring city, UT

They are anxious to invest tax dollars we all pay on education for all of Utah's children and under-educated adults. It's nothing to congratulate ourselves for, to be 49th in the country in per student spending. In fact, it's shameful, particularly when our economy is robust compared to other states.
As much as LDS people (and I am one) say they value education, eventually we have to put our money where our mouths are.
Nobody wants to see wasteful spending, including Democrats.
It would be nice to read something other than the typical sweeping generalizations in reaction to anything Democrats say or do.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@DN Subscriber 2

"Work hard and reap benefits"? That is a pipe dream the one percent wants you to believe. In the meantime we become more of servants each year. Turn a blind eye and it will be too late to turn back.

I was actually very impressed and surprised with Utah voters this last election. Voting Democrat has its' own problems as does the entire American political process. But the lesser of two evils currently is to stop the GOP from taking us further into the land of paranoia, fear, and make believe.

Voting for Matheson, even though he is a wealthy and seasoned politician was still a smart move by Utah voters as they rejected the myth and influence of outside the state of Utah GOP prop up jobs for Mia Love.

Mia has an amazing story. Still, she was a pawn to the GOP's sneaky diversity tactic. The party wanted that more than the ability to lead objectively. What Mia ran on was political principles that were contradictory to her own success story. Overcoming struggle has to have parameters for success and not just a work hard and it works out rhetoric (small percentages there).

Moabmom
Moab, UT

Debakis said "Utah Democrats are moderate, they're common sense, they're not ideological and they want to solve problems," He obviously has never met the Dems who live in Moab, Park City or Salt Lake.....

Fitz
Murray, UT

It is nice to read a positive story about the Democrats. But the facts are such that the Democrats have fewer seats in the Legislature this year than last year. The GOP has a super majority relinquishing Democrats bystanders.

And to Pagan, I don't understand your math. By all accounts I have read and looking at the amount change in the national debt between Obama's first day in office and today, Obama has managed to more than double the amount of the debt. In fact, he has created more debt in his tenure in office that all presidents before him.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan,
BO increased the debt more in 3.5 years than bush did in 8 and you claim BO is better at debt? Really!?!?!?!?

Your BO worship and apology knows no bounds! I'd much rather have bush's roughly $500 billion deficits than BO's $ 1-2 trillion deficits any day

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Obama's deficits wouldn't be possible without 2 wars and a bloated military. Afghanistan almost broke the Soviet Union. The "war on terror" has cost 4.5 trillion dollars.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Switcharoo,
So why are BO's deficits higher now that the wars have wound down than when they were fully engaged? Your comment has no connection to reality.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Ah, the dollar figure.

If Obama added ONE dollar to the national debt, it would technically 'more' than any other President in American history.

Be reasonable.

You expect Obama to avoid adding a dime to the US debt while two un-funded wars continued?

Iraq and Afghanistan did not end before Obama took office. Rather, people expected him to end two wars while adding zero to the national debt.

Now...

For Obama to be on par with Republican spending, he would have to have taken the debt (factually, not a projection) to $30 trillion dollars.

Has he?

Then stop lying about it.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Obama added to the debt with two wars...

because W. Bush cut and run.

If Republicans could end the wars they begin, perhaps the rest of us wouldn't be stuck paying for their bills.

Let's not talk about reality when we place the blame for the wars..on anyone but the persons who started them.

morganh
Orem, Utah

Pagan,
Fact number one. When Bush left office the debt was about 4.5 trillion. After Obama's first term our national debt is now over 16 trillion. Fact number two. "Obamacare" has over twenty new taxes in it and members of his administration are now admitting that under "Obamacare" premiums are set to rise. Fact number three. Obama is a community organizer and loves to reward his friends at the expense of the American people. He gave 1 billion dollars to companies such as Solyndra who went bankrupt. Fact number four. Mitt Romney would have been a far better President since he has experience as a Governor and head of the Olympics turning deficits into surplus. But, the people ignored Obama's abysmal record and we now have four more years of a community organizer not a fiscal conservative in the White House.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

When Bush left office, the debt was $4.5 trillion?

No.

You are thinking of Clinton.

It is truly pathetic how much lies people allow on the Deseret news today.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

@morganh

"Fact number one. When Bush left office the debt was about 4.5 trillion."

The national debt at the end of Bush's time in office was $10.6 trillion. Since the debt is the only objective "fact" in your post, the rest of it goes downhill into opinion pretty quickly.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

If you're looking to place blame for the deficit, start with these:

Bush's two unfunded wars.

Bush's tax cuts that slashed federal revenues but produced no economic benefit.

An aging population.

The economic meltdown, the most severe since the Great Depression, that began in 2008.

None of those are Obama's doing. He inherited them when he took office in 2009.

If you look at the rate of change in the debt-to-GDP, during Obama's first term he slowed the growth of the debt more than any president in the past 30 years.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan,

give it up already, your contortions are ridiculous

gross federal debt, according to the US treasury, increased by $4,899,100,310,608.39 from 1/19/01 to 1/20/2009, bush's term - 8 years.

it only took BO until March 15, 2012 to accumulate that much debt, 3 years and 2 months. $4,937,932,842,854.90 increase in debt from 1/20/09 to 3/15/12

But go ahead, keep insisting BO has been better at controling the debt, when clearly he has been worse. We LOVE what it does for your credibility.

Blue,
gross federal debt increased LESS when the wars were at their height than it has since BO has taken over and they are winding down, so CLEARLY the claim of the wars causing our massive debt lacks credibility.

No economic benefit? Then why did BO's own team say in late 2010 it would wreck the economy if they expired?

BO SLOWED the growth of debt? how untrue! see my above comments to Pagan. it is true deficits have decreased since the repubs took control of the house, since they will not spend as much as BO wants.

joseywales
Park City, UT

B.O. his initials couldn't ring any truer could they? Bad Odor. Barry is quickly dividing this country the way no other president has, or even tried. It's either his way or the highway. I'm glad I'm taking the highway, at least that way I stand a chance. I feel bad for his supporters. They remind me of those people who get duped by guys like Jim Jones, or those other crazies who waited for comets to take them "home". Let it be known from here on out. "Community Organizers" should stick with communities, not try and run a nation.

Suburbs of SLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"These Democrats sure are eager to. . . [tell] people exactly what to do and what not to do."

Um.....is that not the definition of the GOP in Utah? Doing their best to legislate morality?

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