If they want to raise taxes for education it should be a "use tax". You
should be taxed for each child in school. They can then leave the rest of us
alone. It's not right that I pay buku taxes and someone with children gets
tons of money back for the government.
Thank you TJ. I also own a business, and while I don't employ the number
of people that you do, I still know how it is. My people get paid first,
I'm the first one there in the morning and the last one to leave. I love
my employees and treat them the best I possibly can and in return, they give me
the best they can. I didn't build my business on their backs, but surely
with their help! My children are all out of the home now, and still 80% of my
property tax goes to support the school system. also a substantial amount of my
income tax. This is an investment in my future as well as my children's,
and all of the other children in this state. I just want them to live within
their budget, the same way I have to. That last comment was for Gandalf.
I know in a certain school district that the money goes into the pockets of the
administration and not to what is needed in the class rooms.
Typical. All the Libs think about is raising taxes! The problem with our
schools is too many administrators and councilors. Re-arange the resources;
there was a time when a school didn't need a principal and several vice
principals. They also didn't need a myriad of councilors. It doesn't
seem like there are any more students per teacher; sometimes less. Spend the
money on the teachers and get some value for the dollar. As has been pointed
out, the liberal states have bankrupted themselves (especially with public
employee pensions and benefits). The conservative states seem to be doing pretty
good. Walker in Wisconsin is a pretty good example.
Simple - Your spending is Equal to 90% of what you bring in. 10% saved for a
rainy day. Any elected official deviates from this formula, out the door you go.
This should be a legislative law.Washington is out of control &
no longer listen to the majority of Tax Payers - one day (very Soon) the States
will start pulling away (Succeed) as they will no longer want to participate in
being robbed to pay for other state's high pensions , high union wages ,
and all the other perks.
"Live within your means" is the best mantra any family or government can
live by. Those States that are doing that are prospering during the Federal
financial race to the cliff. Washington must be blind to their success.
Debakis is echoing D.C.'s foolishness. Let's hope our State reps
repeat the mantra every time they propose or vote on a bill.
Raising Taxes is not the answer, Cutting the fat from overpaid officials would
work much better.Gas Tax- we are only pennies below the nation in cost.
Food tax - Leaves more people starving and jobless..Our school system is
being held back at a young age, due to non english speaking students.. The
teachers are wonderful and qualified, unfornantley they can not teach two
differnt cultures in one class room.Parents with children should pay the
additional fees for higher education, I am doing just this for my grandchildren.
Yet still pay outragous amounts in taxes to the school system, I have for over
30 years with out a child in school.
I dont see where raising taxes is going to help our State at all, Currently K-6
(in my area) have so many non english speaking free ride children, that this has
held the education of young children back during the most important times of
learning, In my area alone there is 38% are non english children in public
school, an bunch of elderly that have no children, each paying over 1700.00 per
year in property taxes to support this.. Themselves living below poverty
level..Raising taxes has never been a solution, cutting the fat off the
hogs would help more.. Dems of our state, are pulling the same ploys of our
pityful US Government.. I do not believe this country is a DEMOCRACY, I believe
it was meant to be a REPUBLIC.. If you dont know the difference.look up both
words in Websters Dictionary.. (Do we want to be "ruled" by a MONARC?)
When Jennifer Robinson states that Utahns have always been supportive of
education, it comes with a provision that other tax payers foot the bill.
Parents of students in public education continually want someone else to pay for
their own children's education. The continual education defecit and
underfunding proves that taxes are not the solution. Danial
Thatcher's idea of tax payers checking a box on their tax forms is noble,
but inane. Parents simply will not do it. They have no desire to become fiscally
responsible for their creation of the problem. The only solution for
underfunding is for parents to take responsibility. Increase tuition,
assessments, head taxes, less dependent tax deductions(the #1 counter-productive
policy in Utah), something where the entity that creates the burden starts being
the solution. Our legislators do not have the fortitude to address this in
a solvent manner. They know that the voters would not re-elect them. I'm
sorry people, but in LDS Utah with large families, I recert to the previous
comment, parents want everyone, all taxpayers to pay their children's bill.
Where is the GOP fiscal responsiblity platform here, in our Red State of Utah?
I would feel better about putting more money into education if I felt that the
money currently going into school budgets was being prudently spent. As long as
Utah schools have enough money to fund frivolous inter-school athletic programs
(which have little or no educational benefit), then the schools are telling us
that either A) they have ample money; or B) they don’t spend money wisely
and we can’t be confident that new money will be spent wisely. It’s
like people on welfare who have enough money for tobacco and alcohol and cell
phones, pleading for more money.
If there were measurable data behind the words of politicians it would be more
palatable to accept raising taxes. However, the taxes are only half the
problem. We have a problem with wasting the taxpayers money (I=15 core
project, money for books at school that was used for cheerleader outfits, etc,
etc, and etc). Our schools are not efficient, they follow a government model,
they waste more money than they are worth. Why does a superintendent need
multiple secretaries? Why doe we keep bad teachers on, or promote them, because
of tenure? We should be finding a way to keep and pay the "master"
teachers and get rid of the "educators" or "instructors" that
aren't measuring up. Personally I believe that "master" teachers
should be paid more than anyone else at the school, including the principle.
Yet, walk into high school and find multiple assistant principles. Why do we
need so many higher paid administrative people? Reduce the
government waste, change the way we administer school to a more efficient
business like model, and make some real changes before raising taxes.You
cannot throw money at a problem and make it go away! Wake up politicians,
I am so tired of the Democratic party (to use Mr Kings word)
"ad'nauseum" call to raise taxes, steal our property, and undermine
and/or remove our Constitutional rights while using and exploiting our children
to do it. If you are so unhappy with the way Utah is run, move to NY. Gov.
Cuomo and Bloomberg are more than happy to spend your money, indoctrinate your
kids and make your decisions for you.
How do they think we will be able to afford things like gas and food if they
raise the taxes.
@Clark G. Haven't you noticed? There is no difference between the
Republicans and the Democrats. They are one in the same, both locally and
federally. The only tangible difference between the two is the jersey they
wear.You want the sophistry, chicanery, nonsensical politicking, and
huge, socialized government of the Democrats? Vote Republican! Either way,
you'll end up with the exact same thing. Higher taxes, and inability to
solve even the smallest "issue," poorer educations for our children, and
a reduced ability to make ends meet.
I would be most impressed if our legislature started by lowering their own
income and benefits, and raised their own taxes. I would then know that they
really believed that something needed to be done. There is an old saying in
England, "Pull the line Jack, I'm all right." Maybe this is there
There is never a justification for raising taxes, raising taxes is the lie of
the century--it is never necessary. And raising income taxes is the worst kind
of tax to raise. Education will suck up all the money on planet earth if we let
it. Study after study has shown, decade after decade, that there is no
correlation between increased spending on education and student performance.
When education receives more money, it goes to administrators, some to teacher
salaries, new programs, field trips, and sports--none of which has any bearing
on learning. Don't believe the lie. The greatest determiner of educational
performance is the family, the home environment and how the family values
education--and all the money in the world is not going to overcome that reality.
Again, Democrats always seek the dumb, Marxist solution to every political
problem--take money away from people, give it to the government, and all
problems are solved. What nonsense.
TJ, I know King. He's got his own law firm and employs a few people who
work with him. Doing pretty well too from what I can tell. Maybe before you
point a finger you should do your homework.But more troubling is
your attitude TJ. You act like you got to where you are by only your own
efforts. That's bunk and you know it. Think you would have squat without
the parents or public school teachers who taught you to read? Or how about your
employees? Think you would have diddley without their loyalty and hard work? I
can tell you're the first one to get up and yell about how Obama
doesn't get it when he said "you didn't build that" in talking
about roads, sewers, police and fire protection. But you are the one
who really doesn't get it.
Abe Sarvis up above me there is a genius. His post will turn out to be
prophetic. You had better believe that there will be several "we'll
send them a message" bills about gun control. The only thing he
missed was the bill that will now outlaw public schools and demand that all
students must now attend their local charter school that was built by a company
owned by a legislator. The UEA will somehow be responsible so they must be
stopped. Maybe a bill allowing everybody in Utah to openly carry a
gun unless they are a UEA member would do the trick.
Go ahead, Legislators....raise the Gas Tax and people will buy less gas and you
won't see any increase in revenue but will just put folks into a difficult
situation. Our little brief repite from high gasoline prices is
over, apparently, this weekend. Nice to get below $3 a gallon, now Chevron,
Sinclair and the others always pushing prices higher are back at it again.
I'm SICK of the manipulation and it doesn't have thing one to do with
demand.....except the demand to charge higher prices from those who refine the
stuff. Good grief, what a system.
I think the comments referring to Democrats inability to budget was pointed
toward the Federal Government. Utah hasn't had it too bad compared to most
of the nation, especially Democratic states like California. Republicans must be
doing a pretty good job?
Blame Democrats...for Utah's Republican party majority.Sounding familiar?
Brace yourselves. Here comes the legislature.
To ClarkGriswold,46 years of conservative control here in the state
has put us at the very top of list of states with healthy budgets and a just
about tops in the country for jobs, recovery from the financial crisis, etc.,
and we have done so in spite of an economy that is heavily dependent on the
residential construction sector. Someone in Utah is doing something right to
keep the LIBS at bay. It is the most heavily liberal states that are suffering
the worst. California's fiscal situation is dire, with no light at the end
of the tunnel, and Illinois just saw their debt downgraded, again, and the
lowest rated in the country. Keep the LIBS away (including the self proclaimed
conservatives who are really LIBS in disguise).P.s. the one place I
ink we can do better is in funding K-12 education. We have too many
inexperienced young teachers, too few well qualified math and science teachers,
and too many students graduating from high school unprepared for hier education.
When adjusted for demographics, Utah schools are actually below average.
Shocking? Look it up...
@itsjustme - kind of hard to blame Democrats for anything in Utah, since
Republicans have had a majority in the state legislature since 1967. Democrats
haven't had the ability to pass ANY expenditure since then without
Republican cooperation. That's 46 years, longer than the typical
Utahn's been alive. Just sayin'...
I predict that the legislature will spend the first five and a half weeks of the
session grandstanding about gun control. At the last second, they will throw all
remaining legislation into a big omnibus bill that will make it legal for a
convicted felon to openly carry an AK-47 into a nursery school, but also contain
a provision requiring someone who wants to braid hair to take 800 hours of
state-mandated classroom instruction, none of which has anything to do with hair
braiding. One week after the session ends, the governor will call a special
session in order to repeal some of the omnibus - and legislators will get extra
pay for attending the repeal session. Mike Noel will loudly vote against
Are there no members of the Democrat party that can live within their means? At
all levels of Government, all you read or hear about are Democrats wanting to
"raise taxes on the rich". I'm sorry, but it seems that anyone
that pays taxes (you know, the people that give more to Government than they
receive back) has a target painted on their backs. The Democrats never seem
happy working with what they have.I'm paraphrasing the great
Margret Thatcher, where the socialists that seem to comprise the vast majority
of elected Democrats will "At some point, run out of other peoples
money" to spend. Now seems a great time to stop the spending and
live within your means. I do it as a citizen of the State of Utah; so too should
our elected officials.