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Published: Saturday, Jan. 26 2013 1:30 p.m. MST

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itsjustme
Vernal, UT

Are there no members of the Democrat party that can live within their means? At all levels of Government, all you read or hear about are Democrats wanting to "raise taxes on the rich". I'm sorry, but it seems that anyone that pays taxes (you know, the people that give more to Government than they receive back) has a target painted on their backs. The Democrats never seem happy working with what they have.

I'm paraphrasing the great Margret Thatcher, where the socialists that seem to comprise the vast majority of elected Democrats will "At some point, run out of other peoples money" to spend.

Now seems a great time to stop the spending and live within your means. I do it as a citizen of the State of Utah; so too should our elected officials.

Abe Sarvis
Cedar City, UT

I predict that the legislature will spend the first five and a half weeks of the session grandstanding about gun control. At the last second, they will throw all remaining legislation into a big omnibus bill that will make it legal for a convicted felon to openly carry an AK-47 into a nursery school, but also contain a provision requiring someone who wants to braid hair to take 800 hours of state-mandated classroom instruction, none of which has anything to do with hair braiding. One week after the session ends, the governor will call a special session in order to repeal some of the omnibus - and legislators will get extra pay for attending the repeal session. Mike Noel will loudly vote against repealing anything.

Clark Griswold
Cedar City, UT

@itsjustme - kind of hard to blame Democrats for anything in Utah, since Republicans have had a majority in the state legislature since 1967. Democrats haven't had the ability to pass ANY expenditure since then without Republican cooperation. That's 46 years, longer than the typical Utahn's been alive. Just sayin'...

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

To ClarkGriswold,

46 years of conservative control here in the state has put us at the very top of list of states with healthy budgets and a just about tops in the country for jobs, recovery from the financial crisis, etc., and we have done so in spite of an economy that is heavily dependent on the residential construction sector. Someone in Utah is doing something right to keep the LIBS at bay. It is the most heavily liberal states that are suffering the worst. California's fiscal situation is dire, with no light at the end of the tunnel, and Illinois just saw their debt downgraded, again, and the lowest rated in the country. Keep the LIBS away (including the self proclaimed conservatives who are really LIBS in disguise).

P.s. the one place I ink we can do better is in funding K-12 education. We have too many inexperienced young teachers, too few well qualified math and science teachers, and too many students graduating from high school unprepared for hier education. When adjusted for demographics, Utah schools are actually below average. Shocking? Look it up...

one old man
Ogden, UT

Brace yourselves. Here comes the legislature.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Blame Democrats...

for Utah's Republican party majority.

Sounding familiar?

SS
MiddleofNowhere, Utah

I think the comments referring to Democrats inability to budget was pointed toward the Federal Government. Utah hasn't had it too bad compared to most of the nation, especially Democratic states like California. Republicans must be doing a pretty good job?

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Go ahead, Legislators....raise the Gas Tax and people will buy less gas and you won't see any increase in revenue but will just put folks into a difficult situation.

Our little brief repite from high gasoline prices is over, apparently, this weekend. Nice to get below $3 a gallon, now Chevron, Sinclair and the others always pushing prices higher are back at it again. I'm SICK of the manipulation and it doesn't have thing one to do with demand.....except the demand to charge higher prices from those who refine the stuff. Good grief, what a system.

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

Abe Sarvis up above me there is a genius. His post will turn out to be prophetic. You had better believe that there will be several "we'll send them a message" bills about gun control.

The only thing he missed was the bill that will now outlaw public schools and demand that all students must now attend their local charter school that was built by a company owned by a legislator. The UEA will somehow be responsible so they must be stopped.

Maybe a bill allowing everybody in Utah to openly carry a gun unless they are a UEA member would do the trick.

Gandalf
Salt Lake City, UT

TJ, I know King. He's got his own law firm and employs a few people who work with him. Doing pretty well too from what I can tell. Maybe before you point a finger you should do your homework.

But more troubling is your attitude TJ. You act like you got to where you are by only your own efforts. That's bunk and you know it. Think you would have squat without the parents or public school teachers who taught you to read? Or how about your employees? Think you would have diddley without their loyalty and hard work? I can tell you're the first one to get up and yell about how Obama doesn't get it when he said "you didn't build that" in talking about roads, sewers, police and fire protection.

But you are the one who really doesn't get it.

dumprake
Washington, UT

There is never a justification for raising taxes, raising taxes is the lie of the century--it is never necessary. And raising income taxes is the worst kind of tax to raise. Education will suck up all the money on planet earth if we let it. Study after study has shown, decade after decade, that there is no correlation between increased spending on education and student performance. When education receives more money, it goes to administrators, some to teacher salaries, new programs, field trips, and sports--none of which has any bearing on learning. Don't believe the lie. The greatest determiner of educational performance is the family, the home environment and how the family values education--and all the money in the world is not going to overcome that reality. Again, Democrats always seek the dumb, Marxist solution to every political problem--take money away from people, give it to the government, and all problems are solved. What nonsense.

BYU Papa
Cedar Hills, ut

I would be most impressed if our legislature started by lowering their own income and benefits, and raised their own taxes. I would then know that they really believed that something needed to be done. There is an old saying in England, "Pull the line Jack, I'm all right." Maybe this is there phylosophy.

Clinton
Draper, UT

@Clark G. Haven't you noticed? There is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. They are one in the same, both locally and federally. The only tangible difference between the two is the jersey they wear.

You want the sophistry, chicanery, nonsensical politicking, and huge, socialized government of the Democrats? Vote Republican! Either way, you'll end up with the exact same thing. Higher taxes, and inability to solve even the smallest "issue," poorer educations for our children, and a reduced ability to make ends meet.

snowman
Provo, UT

How do they think we will be able to afford things like gas and food if they raise the taxes.

Moabmom
Moab, UT

I am so tired of the Democratic party (to use Mr Kings word) "ad'nauseum" call to raise taxes, steal our property, and undermine and/or remove our Constitutional rights while using and exploiting our children to do it. If you are so unhappy with the way Utah is run, move to NY. Gov. Cuomo and Bloomberg are more than happy to spend your money, indoctrinate your kids and make your decisions for you.

Topher
Herriman, UT

If there were measurable data behind the words of politicians it would be more palatable to accept raising taxes. However, the taxes are only half the problem.
We have a problem with wasting the taxpayers money (I=15 core project, money for books at school that was used for cheerleader outfits, etc, etc, and etc). Our schools are not efficient, they follow a government model, they waste more money than they are worth. Why does a superintendent need multiple secretaries? Why doe we keep bad teachers on, or promote them, because of tenure? We should be finding a way to keep and pay the "master" teachers and get rid of the "educators" or "instructors" that aren't measuring up. Personally I believe that "master" teachers should be paid more than anyone else at the school, including the principle. Yet, walk into high school and find multiple assistant principles. Why do we need so many higher paid administrative people?

Reduce the government waste, change the way we administer school to a more efficient business like model, and make some real changes before raising taxes.
You cannot throw money at a problem and make it go away! Wake up politicians, please!

JSB
Sugar City, ID

I would feel better about putting more money into education if I felt that the money currently going into school budgets was being prudently spent. As long as Utah schools have enough money to fund frivolous inter-school athletic programs (which have little or no educational benefit), then the schools are telling us that either A) they have ample money; or B) they don’t spend money wisely and we can’t be confident that new money will be spent wisely. It’s like people on welfare who have enough money for tobacco and alcohol and cell phones, pleading for more money.

michael cooper
south jordan, utah

When Jennifer Robinson states that Utahns have always been supportive of education, it comes with a provision that other tax payers foot the bill. Parents of students in public education continually want someone else to pay for their own children's education. The continual education defecit and underfunding proves that taxes are not the solution.
Danial Thatcher's idea of tax payers checking a box on their tax forms is noble, but inane. Parents simply will not do it. They have no desire to become fiscally responsible for their creation of the problem.
The only solution for underfunding is for parents to take responsibility. Increase tuition, assessments, head taxes, less dependent tax deductions(the #1 counter-productive policy in Utah), something where the entity that creates the burden starts being the solution.
Our legislators do not have the fortitude to address this in a solvent manner. They know that the voters would not re-elect them. I'm sorry people, but in LDS Utah with large families, I recert to the previous comment, parents want everyone, all taxpayers to pay their children's bill. Where is the GOP fiscal responsiblity platform here, in our Red State of Utah?

Lady O
American Fork, UT

I dont see where raising taxes is going to help our State at all, Currently K-6 (in my area) have so many non english speaking free ride children, that this has held the education of young children back during the most important times of learning, In my area alone there is 38% are non english children in public school, an bunch of elderly that have no children, each paying over 1700.00 per year in property taxes to support this.. Themselves living below poverty level..
Raising taxes has never been a solution, cutting the fat off the hogs would help more.. Dems of our state, are pulling the same ploys of our pityful US Government.. I do not believe this country is a DEMOCRACY, I believe it was meant to be a REPUBLIC.. If you dont know the difference.look up both words in Websters Dictionary.. (Do we want to be "ruled" by a MONARC?)

Lady O
American Fork, UT

Raising Taxes is not the answer, Cutting the fat from overpaid officials would work much better.
Gas Tax- we are only pennies below the nation in cost. Food tax - Leaves more people starving and jobless..
Our school system is being held back at a young age, due to non english speaking students..
The teachers are wonderful and qualified, unfornantley they can not teach two differnt cultures in one class room.
Parents with children should pay the additional fees for higher education, I am doing just this for my grandchildren. Yet still pay outragous amounts in taxes to the school system, I have for over 30 years with out a child in school.

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