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  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 28, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    2b

    "Honestly I would rather have Utah's season."

    LOL!

    Who do you think you're fooling?

    Give Kyle three straight 5-7 seasons with no bowl and Utah fans will be screaming for his head.

    Bronco at 8-5, with wins over a Top 25 team, a decent Georgia Tech team on the road, and a very good San Diego State team in BYU's bowl, and one of the best defenses in the country, was at least on the cusp of having a very good season.

    On the other hand, Kyle, even with his lucky win over BYU, had a horrible season.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    RE:965

    You sure you want to call BYU fans jealous? Maybe you shouldn't try to lecture in a condescending way. When you look at the record see if you notice a discrepancy from what really happened and what you claim.

    I guess it needs to be explained to you, 5-7 is as losing year.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 1:55 a.m.

    I hope it wasn't just a fluke of a good game that he was playing when they played 2J's team. I fear he normally doesn't play that well and 2J just saw him on his best day.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    2B

    "Neither had a great season and had the schedules been switched Utah would have winning season and bowl game and the Y wouldn't have."

    Pure speculation; you have absolutely no proof that would have been the case.

    Utah earned one-game bragging rights, BYU had the better season. I'll take the better season any day over a one-game flash-in-the-pan, but that's what we've come to expect from the kids on the hill.

    btw, what good is having 2 bcs wins, if you're still on the outside looking in at the most prestigious fraternity in all of college sports -

    Major College Football National Championship Winners

    As much as jealous Utah fans would like to pretend that it does, being in the same conference as USC will NEVER elevate U to national champions status. That's something U have to do on your own.

    Good luck with that when U can't even beat a conference foe with a winning record.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    @Ydad....But for the record? U beat the Y and finished with a losing record and no bowl game. We lost to our (ex) rival, again, had a frustrating but winning season and won our bowl game.

    Which would you rather have, really?

    Honestly I would rather have Utah's season. For this simple fact. Neither had a great season and had the schedules been switched Utah would have winning season and bowl game and the Y wouldn't have. Either way however Utah wins head to head again so I would take their season.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 6:05 a.m.

    @junkgeek

    You said: "Why is it anyone cares about what teams did almost 30 years ago".

    Because Tradition, Legacy and Brand take Generations to establish, not 5-6 years.

    Some teams are instantly recognized as football programs with great Tradition and Legacy (BYU).
    Some teams are not
    (Utah).

    As for you Naval Vet....Tedious and Sad at this point. Nobody cares.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 26, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    junkgeek

    Why should anyone care more for the last 5 years than for the last 30? Only next season matters, and until it comes, last season is the next most important thing, but in terms of half-life? It's already half gone.

    But for the record? U beat the Y and finished with a losing record and no bowl game. We lost to our (ex) rival, again, had a frustrating but winning season and won our bowl game.

    Which would you rather have, really?

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Jan. 26, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Why is it anyone cares about what teams did almost 30 years ago. Only the last 5-6 years should count in your mind. Success has a half-life.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 26, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Well there sure have been quite a lot of ad hominem attacks from the "fans" of our irrelevant, WAC-ish and mid-majorey little brother, but no real substance to refute a single thing I said. Typical. I guess the truth is finally starting to sink in. If there had been something inaccurate about my post(s) at least ONE Y fan would have pointed it out by now. And with the sheer volume of coug fans tripping over themselves to address me, I'd say it's safe to conclude they have nothing. How painful for them. Time to shoot the messenger I guess.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    anti BCS

    All that glory and BYU is not deemed worthy of an invite from a major power conference.

    Why is BYU on the outside looking in on major college football?

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 26, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Howard S.

    I love how Utedom has to parse history in a desperate attempt to feel relevant.

    Consider this...

    In their ENTIRE history, the Utes have NEVER won...

    - a National Championship

    - a Heisman Trophy

    - a single national individual award of any kind

    - or had a single player inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame

    ALL accomplishments that are part of BYU's long history of football excellence.

    BYU has SEVENTEEN AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes, including THREE Top 15 finishes in the last seven years.

    Utah has FIVE AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes, including only ONE Top 15 finish in the last seven years.

    Even during their only period of success on a national level, BYU's little brothers continue to languish in BYU's shadow.

    btw

    2011 BYU(10-3) Ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
    2012 BYU(8-5) Bowl Winner > Utah(5-7) no show

    You can beat your chests about recent head-to-head success, but season records and rankings are always much more important than individual games - only a desperate Ute with nothing else to offer would try to argue differently.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    I love that the Cougar Nation has to look back to 1984 in a desperate reach for relevance.

    Consider this...

    The 3.5 inch floppy disk was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

    A shine new Apple desktop with a 5.25 inch floppy drive was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

    Ronald Regan's Republican Party was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

    And BYU with it's NC was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Welcome, Quincy. And good luck! We're behind you!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 26, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    ssenhsilooffoecioveht

    The AP Poll has never considered computer formulas and other such nonsense in its rankings.

    BYU was voted #1 in the 1984 AP Poll in exactly the same way every other AP National Champion has been selected since 1936 - by a simple majority vote of a nation-wide panel of sportswriters.

    "Today's system" is being replaced by the playoffs are starting in 2014. The four-team playoff will quickly expand to an eight-team playoff and the bogus bcs system of "today" will become nothing more than a failed experiment that was finally put out of its misery.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 26, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    naval vet

    "I think it is safe to say that I schooled an entire CLASSROOM of jealous [BYU] fans trying ever so desperately to assuage the anguish of being so irrelevant..."

    "Schooled"? LOL!

    What's to be jealous of?

    The most coveted awards in all of college sports are included in BYU's Athletic Hall of Fame, along with multiple national individual award winners and SEVEN National Hall of Fame inductees.

    Utah won a couple of bowl games and finished #5 and #4.

    Ten years from now when the playoffs are fully entrenched as THE place to be in the post season, the Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose and Cotton bowls will simply be fun bowls to play in if you're not good enough to make the playoffs.

    BYU will always be recognized as a former National Champion and Heisman Trophy winning program.

    Unfortunately for U, Utah's greatest achievements are destined to fade into bowl potpourri history.

    btw, if you're comparing "biggest wins" for BYU and Utah:

    BYU beating then #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami (finished #3) is significantly bigger than Utah beating then #3-ranked Alabama (finished #6).

    BYU's win over Miami launched Ty Detmer's Heisman Trophy winning season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    naval obviously struggles knowing that if he has to try to declare himself the winner that he really isn't the winner.

    LOL!

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Jan. 26, 2013 1:44 a.m.

    Naval Vet: Here's a hug for you. Hope you have a good day today.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    I don't understand. Do you get some kind of satisfaction out of obsessively commenting on BYU article after article?
    Both programs have had great success in the past. No matter the argument BYU DID win the National Championship in 1984, and Utah did win 2 BCS games in the past 10 years. WHO CARES? Neither team has done a thing in 5 years. Talking about the good ole days is great, but it doesn't change the fact that Utah had a losing season last year, or that BYU has a losing record against any decent team including Utah over the past five years.
    Now can we move on now?

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    Naval wins!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    Bluto:

    I think it is safe to say that I schooled an entire CLASSROOM of jealous Indy-WACey fans trying ever so desperately to assuage the anguish of being so irrelevant and mid-majorey in the face of their big brother's onfield accomplishments. Do you know how you can tell?

    Because they couldn't refute a single thing I said.

    All your fellow Y fans could do was toss out some ad hominem attacks, manufacture some strawman arguments, and peck out some emotional history lesson that nosaerfoecioveht was able to rebut with comments from one of the biggest names in Sports media, and one of the biggest names in 1984 Cougar lore. Quid erat demonstratum.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    Rockwell:

    "So let me get this straight...You count Pittsburgh's 2004 ranking in both polls because they WERE ranked when Utah played them; but you don't count Pittsburgh's #3 ranking in 1984 even though they WERE ranked when BYU played them."

    Please either cut-&-paste my exact words where I said that, or admit your point is a pathetic strawman argument.

    For the record, nobody outside of Provostan will credit you guys with a "big win" by beating an overrated team who won only 3-games all season.

    Pitt DID finish the 2004 season ranked. If I were interested in mid-season rankings, I would have touted Texas A&M as a ranked team back in 2004, because they finished the "regular season" ranked. However, I do NOT include them because they lost in the Cotton Bowl, thereby dropping OUT of the polls, and finishing unranked.

    "My favorite part of your jealous misguided spin, however, is this doozy...The entire country was tuned in to watch the BYU/Michigan game!"

    Uh...no. Who are YOU kidding??? The entire nation did NOT tune in to that game, and all the discussion about it was how the Y didn't deserve it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    UtahBruin:

    "As for you trying to describe the Alabama game by quarters,...there is no advantage...that is why they play four quarters. Thanks for trying though, I admire the effort. You are non [sic] other than a typical Utah fan."

    Yes, as a "typical Ute fan", I get my facts straight. And, in typical "Y fan" fashion, you used "frantic emotion" as the basis of your argument. And, when proven wrong, was unable to admit it. Don't forget...YOU were the one who tried to suggest Alabama was the better team by outscoring the Utes in the final 3 Qtrs of play, so don't try to lecture ME about how many quarters of play there are in a game. And once the facts came out that the Tide only outscored the Utes in a single Qtr, while outscored BY the Utes in TWO separate quarters, you tried to change the argument in order to save face. Fail.

    Typical.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    I think it's safe to say Naval Orange...that you have been thoroughly Schooled today.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    Looks like Navel Vet hit a sore spot.

    "BYU's record and SOS were carefully scrutinized.."

    SOS? Really? They don't hand out National Shampionships to teams who haven't beaten any of the top talent in their sport anymore. Never beat one good team.

    "If strength of schedule had mattered as much in 1984, byu would not have been voted national champs." -Sports Illustrated

    "With the way the system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -Robbie Bosco (your quarterback)

    BYU's team had a nice season in 84. Doesn't compare to what Utah accomplished on the field just 4 years ago.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    @SnackPac

    Thank you for the clarification.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    This is the missing piece. Utah had a recent "flash in the pan" pfff but we dominated the nation all through the 1980's which is why we land any recruit we want. We won the national championship in 84 by beating a ton of good teams and the system is the exact same now as it was then so we are due- its our turn again. Better luck next time Wyoming!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Here's a little history lesson to help clear up your confusion:

    The AFCA National Championship Trophy (Coaches' Trophy) is the trophy awarded by the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) to the winner of college football's BCS National Championship Game, which determines the national champion for purposes of the Coaches' Poll.

    In 2009, the AFCA issued the trophy to schools whose teams were voted #1 by the Coaches' Poll in years before the trophy was first issued.

    BYU was one of those teams, finishing #1 in the Coaches' Poll in 1984.

    If the coaches association that awards the trophy felt that BYU was worthy of receiving their highest award, who are you to question their judgement?

    BYU finished #1 in 1984.

    Utah finished #5 in 2004 and #4 in 2008 in voting by the exact same organization.

    U finished exactly where U deserved to finish, as did BYU, so stop your jealous whining and learn to live with it. It's not BYU's fault that U didn't impress the coaches enough to be voted #1.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    navel vet

    So let me get this straight.

    You count Pittsburgh's 2004 ranking in both polls because they WERE ranked when Utah played them; but you don't count Pittsburgh's #3 ranking in 1984 even though they WERE ranked when BYU played them.

    Michigan's Top 25 ranking doesn't count because they WEREN'T ranked when BYU played them, but neither does Michigan's 6-5 winning record that Michigan had WHEN BYU played them?

    My favorite part of your jealous misguided spin, however, is this doozy....

    "The Holiday Bowl WAS a mid-majorey bowl that nobody watched anyway."

    Who are you kidding???

    The entire country was tuned in to watch the BYU/Michigan game!

    It was one of THE most talked about bowls during the ENTIRE bowl season. Sportswriters and sportscasters from every major market in the country were there to watch the game.

    BYU's record and SOS, along the records of every other contender, were carefully scrutinized by the national media for over a month, yet in the end,

    ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations chose BYU as the consensus major college football National Champion for 1984.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Wait, didn't the desnews run an article a day or so ago saying that BYU will be signing a 4 start High School player who will be a center?

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    I am from California, living in Utah County does not automatically make me a Y fan. So your from Philly, so are you a Drexel, Temple or Chestnut Hill fan. Like I said, ignorance and arrogance do not make a decent person. As for you trying to describe the Alabama game by quarters, there is no push in football except for on the line of scrimmage, there is no advantage either, that is why they play four quarters. Thanks for trying though, I admire the effort. You are non other than a typical Utah fan. Have a great day or at least try to in Philly.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    Red Leader

    "You can post stats and rankings all day long..."

    Final Rankings are the Final Grade for the season - it doesn't matter how many mid-terms you passed or how many extra-credit assignments you turned in during the semester, the ONLY thing that appears on your transcript is you Final Grade.

    For major college football, that Final Grade is where you finish in the Final Rankings.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    navel lint

    Michigan was a season-ending win at Ohio State away from playing in the Rose Bowl in 1984. After beating then #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami, Michigan was ranked in the Top 10 and considered a national championship contender themselves until early October when a rash of injuries led to several losses. By the time the Wolverines played BYU, most of those injured players were back and healthy.

    Pittsburgh was ranked 3rd in the country when BYU played the Panthers.

    BYU was already ranked #1 before their season-ending game against Utah State(1-10). Without Utah State, BYU's regular season opponents were 54-69-3. Utah's regular season opponents were 53-72.

    Wins against opponents with winning records
    BYU 1984 - Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4), @Utah(6-5-1)
    Utah 2004 - Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5), @Wyoming(7-5)

    Air Force, which stomped Va Tech(8-3) 23-7 in their bowl game, was a MUCH tougher opponent in 1984 than ANYBODY Utah beat in 2004, plus BYU beat Hawaii in Honolulu (always tough) and the Utes on their home field.

  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    You can post stats and rankings all day long... and can neglect to post other stats that make the other team look good... it's all a spin game and you're wasting your time. You can compare records and say one team is better than the other, or you can just say this: Utah beat BYU last year (3 times), the year before, and the year before that... 3 in a row, and 7 out of the last 10. It has been a very long time since BYU beat Utah in a dominating performance. So stop looking at accolades, records against other teams, other conferences, who beat what rubbish team in what bowl game, and just look at head to head. That's really how you tell who is better, and that's why the game is played.

    As for the article, which most people neglect to even mention, good luck to the kid. I like his attitude and his comments, and I hope he really is up to the commitments involved in the honor code. Mormon or not, when you're at BYU that's who you represent - for better or for worse.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "LOL at your revisionist history."

    What revisionist history? At 8-3, Pitt WAS the Big East Champion. They WERE ranked. They DID play in a BCS Bowl. Michigan WAS unranked. The DID finish in the bottom half of the BigTen. The Holiday Bowl WAS a mid-majorey bowl that nobody watched anyway.

    "BYU 1984 beat more regular season opponents with winning records than Utah 2004 did."

    The Y beat 4 regular season opponents with winning records, but 0 bowl opponents of the same ilk. Utah beat 3 regular season opponets with winning records, plus 1 bowl opponent of the same ilk. So by season's end, both the U and the Y had wins over 4 teams with winning records.

    And as for your narrowed "regular season" metric, don't forget that the Y played one more regular season game. If you added up the post-bowl win totals for both teams, they both amount to 61. Only Utah's 61 came vs. fewer opponents. To match the cougars '84 season, Utah would have had to have played an 0-11 weak WAC team. Obviously, Utah's '04 SOS was > the cougars' '84 SOS.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 25, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    naval vet

    Why so frantic and emotional?

    Even though you've dropped to 3rd best in the state and you're being out recruited by most of the PAC 10.2, there's still a chance that U can beat Weber State next season to avoid dropping to 4th in the state.

    We know its frustrating to see the Utes returning to the 80's when BYU was Utah's bowl game, but at least you get to spend the holidays at home with family and friends.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Bluto

    "U caught a brief ball of fire for 6 years....Whoopie!"

    Actually, it wasn't even that long.

    Between 2004 and 2008, the Utes were 7-5, 8-5, and 9-4, with no Top 25 finishes.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @Naval Vet - I'm not trying to take away what Utah did to Alabama that year or to college football in general, but @UtahBruin was right when s/he said Bama outscored Utah in 3 quarters. S/he didn't say all 3 quarters, but in the sum of the 3 quarters, Bama outscored Utah. Just like Utah outscored Bama for 4 quarters, but not everyone of the 4 quarters. I understand you want to defend your team, but the statement that they were outscored in the last 3 quarters (combined) isn't wrong.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Destroying a ranked 8-3 Big East Champion in a BCS Bowl is a LOT different than eking past an unranked bottom-half BigTen team in a mid-majorey bowl game that nobody watched anyway."

    Yes, apparently one gets you a National Championship and the other gets you a BCS win that nobody cares about except for cute little Utah fans like yourself who keep stamping their feet wanting to be noticed.

    Bro, I know this must be hard for U, but nobody cares. Utah has proven to be a doormat in the PAC 12, even with these amazing 'star-studded' recruiting classes.

    U went 5-7 last year, and this coming season is looking even worse, since U lose 3/4's of your DL (the strength of your team last year), and almost all of your offense in John White IV and Reggie Dunn.

    So I understand you're in full-scale meltdown mode since the U is on a downward trend, but coming on to BYU's comment boards and trying to make the case that Utah is the 'big brother' now isn't helping you, buddy.

    Nor are the trailer park football facilities. Those are just sad.

    Go Cougars!

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Lest we forget; The source of the brief but bright halcyon days of Ute football can be summated in four syllables: Urban Meyer. Great Coach, great football mind, almost insane devotion to his job...brought an attitude and recruit pool to the U which has diminished annually since his departure...he used U as a stepping stone, and U benefitted for a time, but that's obviously over. The presence of the standard cast of U fools on comment boards after BYU stories says that U are more hopful of something going wrong for BYU than confident of things going well for the U. I have never bothered to read a story about Ute football; in fact I've never seen one. Does anyone write them?? Fact is, U are legends only in your own minds, and those are very small spaces indeed.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    UtahBruin:

    "I am not even a BYU fan and I cannot stand Utah fans...Utah was BYU's doormat for a long time...you still are not recognized by many original PAC-10 fans...[Alabama] looked past you since they outscored you 17 to 10 in the other three quarters."

    When somebody from Utah County says stuff like that, you know they ARE cougar fans. But I don't blame you for being too embarrassed to admit it.

    Destroying a ranked 8-3 Big East Champion in a BCS Bowl is a LOT different than eking past an unranked bottom-half BigTen team in a mid-majorey bowl game that nobody watched anyway.

    And for the record Mr. Spinmeister, Alabama did NOT outscore Utah in the other 3 Qtrs. They outscored us in the 2nd Qtr ONLY! Here was the scoring breakdown:

    1st: Utah 21, Alabama 0 [Edge: Utah]
    2nd: Utah 0, Alabama 10 [Edge: Alabama]
    3rd: Utah 7, Alabama 7 [push]
    4th: Utah 3, Alabama 0 [Edge: Utah]

    Final: Utah 31, Alabama 17.

    Bottom line: Utah was the better team, so take your own "Indy-WACey" advise: "QUit crying it is old..." Welcome to irrelevance.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Wow, lots of Ute "fans" with nothing better to do than pick on the Y. I wonder if they are really this rabid in SUPPORT OF their team or if they mainly just look over their shoulder at the Y. I've always thought if someone is great, they don't worry about whatever anyone else is doing. By the insecurity of these trolls, I'd say they're scared of something...

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    I am not even a BYU fan and I cannot stand Utah fans. Ignorance and Arrogance just do not make a decent person. I didn't even say good person, I said decent. That is about all we can expect out of U. Utah was BYU's doormat for a long time, then Utah turned it on for a few years. And remember, you turned it on in the Mtn West, not the PAC-10, it still is not the PAC-12, you still are not recognized by many original PAC-10 fans. You beat a terrible Pitt team in the Fiesta Bowl and cry you should have won a national title, yet you mock BYU for beating Michigan for the National Title in 84', at least they do have one and a legit Heisman and Doak Walker winner. You went down and smacked Alabama in the mouth quick to give you a cushion of 21 points in the first quarter which demonstrates they looked past you since they outscored you 17 to 10 in the other three quarters. QUit crying it is old and welcome to the cellar of the PAC-10 South, U and CU can battle it out.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 25, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Dutchman,
    Reread the article. He mentions getting his hair cut and is OK with it.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Dear Sandy Ut, apparently you did not do very well in high school math or even math at Utah. This is 2013 so last year was 2012. You are talking about your 2011 record, which was 2 years ago, not last year.

    I went to the Ute website and here is Utah's 2012 record. Beat Northern Colorado, BYU, Cal, WSU, and Colorado. Lost to USU, AZU, USC, UCLA OSU, UW, and UA. Now using simple math that means you won 5 games and lost 7 games.

    Now if Utah had won 8 games and lost 5 games last year then why were they not invited to a Bowl Game. Utah sat home and watched all the bowl games because you cannot play in a bowl game with a losing record. No matter how you do your math losing 7 and winning 5 is a losing record.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    @Star-counters: do JUCO transfers get star ratings?

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    If we can keep them healthy.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Dutchman,

    Didn't even read the article, did ya? You saw 'BYU' in the headline, saw a picture of the kid and decided to pop off? Nice! Typical of a Ute Troll.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    This guy looks like a monster! Nice job coach 2J! Quincy is going to love playing for the Cougars.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    @
    Bluto

    If you and other BYU and Utah fans had truly moved on you would have passed over the comments that sparked your rant, laughed and been done. No matter how you slice it BYU and Utah are like an old married couple who fight and argue constantly but underneath it all can't live without each other.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Once again, I can guarantee you that their will be a couple of 0, 1 or 2 star players who turn into stars for BYU. I don't know if this guy is one of them, but who knows, he might be. I trust Tujague's assessment. I'm really not too interested in the opinion of rivals, scout or naval vet.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Welcome Quincy! You are going to enjoy BYU and playing all around the country against big name programs. You will also find the people at BYU to be good folks too. By the way, I had to cut my hair before going to BYU too and it turned out that it was not that big of a deal. Goo dto have you Bro!

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Sorry 965 I was referring to your Pathetic 12 record. I should have been more clear.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Our offensive line is NFL - like now.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    @NavalVet

    BYU's recruits from 2 years ago is what's relevant today.

    When the U produces their first College Hall of Famer (BYU has 7) or can produce 23 National Awards,, 16 Consensus All-Americans, Heisman and Outland Trophy winners, as BYU has already done, then you can pop off.

    When Utah can average 10 games a year on ESPN, based upon their "Own" name, then let us know. Until then, your pathological obsessing on BYU all day long, is really quite embarassing for you.

    Gone are Utah's aspirations for even winning the Pac-South, let alone ever playing in a Rose Bowl. And now that you realize that Utah will never compete in the Pac, all you are left with is.....

    "What's BYU doing today".

    Looks like little brother just can't let BYU go.

    Move on.... BYU and her fans did so long ago, concerning U.
    U caught a brief ball of fire for 6 years....Whoopie!
    Now all U have left are distant memories of your proverbial "Flash in the Pan".

    And even when comparing yourself to BYU....
    Day after day, after day..........after day, after day.....U still come up short.

    Wannabees are U!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    This is big time. He will win us lots of games big time.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    I wonder if he was told that he needs to cut his hair before enrolling at BYU? Wyoming still may win out for his services if he balks at a hair cut.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    KVN, Hoffman, Williams, and Hill are all the stars the "Y" need next year. Ziggy NFL 1st round draft. Future appears to be bright.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    u can't win in the pac building with 2 and 3 star recruits and jc transfers. Not when the top tier programs are signing 3, 4 and 5 star players. Getting all excited about recruiting better than BYU won't affect u'r standing in the pac all that much either. But, if that is all u have to fall back on, go for it.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Howard S:

    how's that bottom dweller status working out for ya?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    "Quincy Awa-Dubose knew next to nothing about BYU a little more than three weeks ago...The mammoth 6-foot-2 offensive lineman was considering Wyoming and a bunch of FCS teams..." -- Brandon Gurney

    Haha! So much for that "national brand"! When a California kid knows more about Wyoming's program than the Y's, I'd say ESPN hadn't done such a great job with your program's "exposure".

    Looks like playing late-night WAC football on insomniac TV just isn't getting it done as far as reaching a national audience, and building your base. And when you're replacing highly touted 3-star LBs -- such as Ragin -- with an athlete who didn't know much about you, and hadn't received a single other FBS offer, I'd say it hadn't done much for your recruiting reach either.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Great comment, "I'm big and built for the cold"...welcome to Utah. Good luck and the Y, and life.

    Go UTES!!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Welcome aboard. Wyo is a lot colder, windier and flatter than Provo. Again welcome aboard!

  • 965 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    A losing season is having more losses than wins, I don't know why I have to explain that to you. Also back to back means consecutive.

    Utah didn't have a losing season last year, we went 8-5.

    How is that a losing season?

    Typical jealous BYU fans...

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Howard, I think BYU does remarkabley well considering their limited recruiting pool. All of the mighty ute 2 and 3 star atheletes certainly haven't done much for them now have they? Back to back to back to ? losing seasons against mediocre competition. Must be a lack of coaching talent eh?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    Beat out Wyoming huh? Guess independence does have it's advantages.

    Oh and it's a good thing stars don't count for BYU anymore.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    He will be a load up front. The o-line is looking better every day.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    Welcome aboard Quincy; we hope you have a wonderful experience playing for BYU.