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Published: Thursday, Jan. 24 2013 6:30 p.m. MST

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BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Naval Vet

Here's a little history lesson to help clear up your confusion:

The AFCA National Championship Trophy (Coaches' Trophy) is the trophy awarded by the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) to the winner of college football's BCS National Championship Game, which determines the national champion for purposes of the Coaches' Poll.

In 2009, the AFCA issued the trophy to schools whose teams were voted #1 by the Coaches' Poll in years before the trophy was first issued.

BYU was one of those teams, finishing #1 in the Coaches' Poll in 1984.

If the coaches association that awards the trophy felt that BYU was worthy of receiving their highest award, who are you to question their judgement?

BYU finished #1 in 1984.

Utah finished #5 in 2004 and #4 in 2008 in voting by the exact same organization.

U finished exactly where U deserved to finish, as did BYU, so stop your jealous whining and learn to live with it. It's not BYU's fault that U didn't impress the coaches enough to be voted #1.

GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

This is the missing piece. Utah had a recent "flash in the pan" pfff but we dominated the nation all through the 1980's which is why we land any recruit we want. We won the national championship in 84 by beating a ton of good teams and the system is the exact same now as it was then so we are due- its our turn again. Better luck next time Wyoming!

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@SnackPac

Thank you for the clarification.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

@Rockwell

Looks like Navel Vet hit a sore spot.

"BYU's record and SOS were carefully scrutinized.."

SOS? Really? They don't hand out National Shampionships to teams who haven't beaten any of the top talent in their sport anymore. Never beat one good team.

"If strength of schedule had mattered as much in 1984, byu would not have been voted national champs." -Sports Illustrated

"With the way the system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -Robbie Bosco (your quarterback)

BYU's team had a nice season in 84. Doesn't compare to what Utah accomplished on the field just 4 years ago.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

I think it's safe to say Naval Orange...that you have been thoroughly Schooled today.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

UtahBruin:

"As for you trying to describe the Alabama game by quarters,...there is no advantage...that is why they play four quarters. Thanks for trying though, I admire the effort. You are non [sic] other than a typical Utah fan."

Yes, as a "typical Ute fan", I get my facts straight. And, in typical "Y fan" fashion, you used "frantic emotion" as the basis of your argument. And, when proven wrong, was unable to admit it. Don't forget...YOU were the one who tried to suggest Alabama was the better team by outscoring the Utes in the final 3 Qtrs of play, so don't try to lecture ME about how many quarters of play there are in a game. And once the facts came out that the Tide only outscored the Utes in a single Qtr, while outscored BY the Utes in TWO separate quarters, you tried to change the argument in order to save face. Fail.

Typical.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Rockwell:

"So let me get this straight...You count Pittsburgh's 2004 ranking in both polls because they WERE ranked when Utah played them; but you don't count Pittsburgh's #3 ranking in 1984 even though they WERE ranked when BYU played them."

Please either cut-&-paste my exact words where I said that, or admit your point is a pathetic strawman argument.

For the record, nobody outside of Provostan will credit you guys with a "big win" by beating an overrated team who won only 3-games all season.

Pitt DID finish the 2004 season ranked. If I were interested in mid-season rankings, I would have touted Texas A&M as a ranked team back in 2004, because they finished the "regular season" ranked. However, I do NOT include them because they lost in the Cotton Bowl, thereby dropping OUT of the polls, and finishing unranked.

"My favorite part of your jealous misguided spin, however, is this doozy...The entire country was tuned in to watch the BYU/Michigan game!"

Uh...no. Who are YOU kidding??? The entire nation did NOT tune in to that game, and all the discussion about it was how the Y didn't deserve it.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Bluto:

I think it is safe to say that I schooled an entire CLASSROOM of jealous Indy-WACey fans trying ever so desperately to assuage the anguish of being so irrelevant and mid-majorey in the face of their big brother's onfield accomplishments. Do you know how you can tell?

Because they couldn't refute a single thing I said.

All your fellow Y fans could do was toss out some ad hominem attacks, manufacture some strawman arguments, and peck out some emotional history lesson that nosaerfoecioveht was able to rebut with comments from one of the biggest names in Sports media, and one of the biggest names in 1984 Cougar lore. Quid erat demonstratum.

lanius
Woods Cross, UT

Naval wins!

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

Naval Vet,

I don't understand. Do you get some kind of satisfaction out of obsessively commenting on BYU article after article?
Both programs have had great success in the past. No matter the argument BYU DID win the National Championship in 1984, and Utah did win 2 BCS games in the past 10 years. WHO CARES? Neither team has done a thing in 5 years. Talking about the good ole days is great, but it doesn't change the fact that Utah had a losing season last year, or that BYU has a losing record against any decent team including Utah over the past five years.
Now can we move on now?

OCoug
Ogden, UT

Naval Vet: Here's a hug for you. Hope you have a good day today.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

naval obviously struggles knowing that if he has to try to declare himself the winner that he really isn't the winner.

LOL!

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

naval vet

"I think it is safe to say that I schooled an entire CLASSROOM of jealous [BYU] fans trying ever so desperately to assuage the anguish of being so irrelevant..."

"Schooled"? LOL!

What's to be jealous of?

The most coveted awards in all of college sports are included in BYU's Athletic Hall of Fame, along with multiple national individual award winners and SEVEN National Hall of Fame inductees.

Utah won a couple of bowl games and finished #5 and #4.

Ten years from now when the playoffs are fully entrenched as THE place to be in the post season, the Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose and Cotton bowls will simply be fun bowls to play in if you're not good enough to make the playoffs.

BYU will always be recognized as a former National Champion and Heisman Trophy winning program.

Unfortunately for U, Utah's greatest achievements are destined to fade into bowl potpourri history.

btw, if you're comparing "biggest wins" for BYU and Utah:

BYU beating then #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami (finished #3) is significantly bigger than Utah beating then #3-ranked Alabama (finished #6).

BYU's win over Miami launched Ty Detmer's Heisman Trophy winning season.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

ssenhsilooffoecioveht

The AP Poll has never considered computer formulas and other such nonsense in its rankings.

BYU was voted #1 in the 1984 AP Poll in exactly the same way every other AP National Champion has been selected since 1936 - by a simple majority vote of a nation-wide panel of sportswriters.

"Today's system" is being replaced by the playoffs are starting in 2014. The four-team playoff will quickly expand to an eight-team playoff and the bogus bcs system of "today" will become nothing more than a failed experiment that was finally put out of its misery.

oldcougar
Orem, UT

Welcome, Quincy. And good luck! We're behind you!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

I love that the Cougar Nation has to look back to 1984 in a desperate reach for relevance.

Consider this...

The 3.5 inch floppy disk was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

A shine new Apple desktop with a 5.25 inch floppy drive was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

Ronald Regan's Republican Party was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

And BYU with it's NC was relevant in 1984... not so much today.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Howard S.

I love how Utedom has to parse history in a desperate attempt to feel relevant.

Consider this...

In their ENTIRE history, the Utes have NEVER won...

- a National Championship

- a Heisman Trophy

- a single national individual award of any kind

- or had a single player inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame

ALL accomplishments that are part of BYU's long history of football excellence.

BYU has SEVENTEEN AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes, including THREE Top 15 finishes in the last seven years.

Utah has FIVE AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes, including only ONE Top 15 finish in the last seven years.

Even during their only period of success on a national level, BYU's little brothers continue to languish in BYU's shadow.

btw

2011 BYU(10-3) Ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
2012 BYU(8-5) Bowl Winner > Utah(5-7) no show

You can beat your chests about recent head-to-head success, but season records and rankings are always much more important than individual games - only a desperate Ute with nothing else to offer would try to argue differently.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

anti BCS

All that glory and BYU is not deemed worthy of an invite from a major power conference.

Why is BYU on the outside looking in on major college football?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Well there sure have been quite a lot of ad hominem attacks from the "fans" of our irrelevant, WAC-ish and mid-majorey little brother, but no real substance to refute a single thing I said. Typical. I guess the truth is finally starting to sink in. If there had been something inaccurate about my post(s) at least ONE Y fan would have pointed it out by now. And with the sheer volume of coug fans tripping over themselves to address me, I'd say it's safe to conclude they have nothing. How painful for them. Time to shoot the messenger I guess.

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

Why is it anyone cares about what teams did almost 30 years ago. Only the last 5-6 years should count in your mind. Success has a half-life.

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