@utah'95I'm not saying utah should have passed on any of
them, but I am saying getting a "4 star" jc recruit is not like getting
a 4 star high school recruit. You only get 2 years out of a jc guy which means
they are about half as valuable as a 4 star hs guy. You need to get two 4 star
jc guys just to get the playing time of one 4 star high school recruit.utah almost never gets 4 star high school recruits, most of those they get are
short timer jc guys. BYU usually get a couple of 4 star hs guys every year. I
would say bYU does a far better job recruiting higher rated 4 star talent than
utah does.That said I don't think the stars matter that much.
Obviously there is some vailidity to it but there are far to many low rated
players that turn into really good players, and far to many highly rated players
that don't, for it to be as important as you utah "fans" try to
make it.As for 4 star jc guys? Well let me know when anthony denham
does anything at all.
I appreciate Y Grad/Y Dad's point. Y fans do have a responsibility. Well
Said.It will be interesting to see how the team does next year with
an O.C. that can be allowed to run the offense without a big need for direction.
The foundation of a real good Offensive line will allow the QB to find the open
man.Already looking forward to next year!
Duckhunter,In the incoming class:According to Scout,
Utah has commitments from 6 JC players. Out of 27.Of BYU's 26
committed players, 5 are from a Junior College.Which of the
following list of ex-JC Utah football players do you think the Utes should have
passed on signing?John WhiteReggie DunnTrevor ReillyStar LotuleleiJohn CullenMatt AsiataRobert JohnsonQuinton GantherPaul SoliaiSteve Smith
@NavalVet "but according to THIS article, Anae's top recruiting
priority was.....the lone 4-star recruit in this class. Not (3-star) Ragin. Not
(2-star) Weichert."I'm going to take a wild guess that the
stars weren't the important factor, but Kearsley's position was.
BYU's OL was awful last year and we needed depth there. Hence the fact
that this week alone, BYU has received commits from 3 OL (including Kearsley).
We're already loaded at LB (Ragin) and WR (Weichers), so those guys
weren't as important. It appears that BYU is recruiting
based on their needs, not stars. I know that's a novel concept for you,
Naval, but you're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll be able to
understand why that's important if you think about it long enough. I'm just glad that Utah has finally started recruiting QB's.
Maybe they'll be able to have an offense that finishes higher than 100th in
the nation this year?Go Cougars!
@vegas uteGetting a jc guy is not comparable to getting a high
school guy. jc guys are stop gaps, guys that are only there for a couple of
years. If you are touting "4 star" jc guys as some sort of evidence of
"superior" utah recruiting then I do find it funny.Sure most
programs get a jc guy of two each year but utah fills 1/4 of thier class with
those guys. It shows they cannot get top high schoolers and need to "fill
gaps" almost every year.
Earlier this week, word out of Provostan was that "stars don't
matter", but according to THIS article, Anae's top recruiting priority
was.....the lone 4-star recruit in this class. Not (3-star) Ragin. Not
(2-star) Weichert.Just (4-star) Kearsley.I guess the
"stars don't matter" mantra only applies when it begins to look
like you aren't going to get very many. That's called "Cognitive
Most of this years recruits, for BYU, are irrelevant for a few years.What
to look at are the recruits from 2 and 3 years ago which have now come home from
their missions. Bronco has done a nice job managing the stream. And
with Holmoe making it very clear to Bronco, that the Offense belongs to Anae
now, things are looking up.You sorry ute fans only need to worry
about your Pac 12 brethren from now on.BYU is not your competition
anymore.U never could trump BYU's overall success in their athletic
program.The fact that Utah has the smallest budget, worst facilities
and fan support in the Pac, is not encouraging. Add the fact that Utah is near
the bottom in Academics and recruiting further demonstates that Utah is in for
decades of cellar dwelling, in just about every sport.It's why
Whitttingham was the only one not smiling at the Pac-12 announcement.He
knew that Utah would generally not be competitive.So settle in
Wannabees and dream of one day having a National Championship, Heisman and
Outland winners or maybe even producing actual College Hall of Famers or Super
Naval Vet"With only 4 of Utah's recruits (14%) receiving
fewer than 3-stars, it looks like..."blah, blah, blahAll of those "stars" will just make it that much more embarrassing for
U when the Utes finish 3-9 with no bowl in 2013,while big brother,
with all of those "un-stars", is enjoying another fun bowl bowl, this
time in San Francisco.
VegasUte,Your 1:26 p.m. post was well researched and intelligent.
But remember, objectivity and logic are not what most of those who troll these
posts prefer. It's about emotion!---------Duckhunter,If "JV guys do not count," then why to most
college programs, including your beloved Cougars (who have 5 ready to sign),
bother recruiting them? And why do scouting sites bother grading them?----------It sounds like this guy should be a solid player. Good
luck Brayden, and BYU. Except when you face the Utes, of course!
Good thing the Y was able to keep Kearsley, since they just lost 3-star (#65 LB)
Johnny Ragin, III to the Pac-12 (Cal), and instead replaced him with a
commitment from somebody I'd never heard of, and who hadn't been rated
with any stars. That brings the cougars to a recruiting class with over 70% of
their commits rated by Rivals with 2-stars or less.With only 4 of
Utah's recruits (14%) receiving fewer than 3-stars, it looks like big
brother is about to get out-2-star recruited by the cougs once again.
@Ducky - they do not count only in your world. Besides - Lotuleilei &
Dre'Vian Young are NOT JC!!Just as I knew - lil ducky only has
spin and selective information.
Anae knows good talent on the offensive line after coaching linemen at Texas
Tech, BYU and Arizona. The fact that he made this kid a priority as soon as he
was hired is proof enough that BYU just landed an outstanding new recruit.
@vegasuteJC guys do not count.
Y wannabe / U Grad Pumping GasIt's as simple as mathBraden Kearsley + KVN = HUGE + for BYU for 2013.Johnny Ragin only
switched to Cal because he didn't want to spend a year riding the pine
behind KVN after Van Noy decided to return for his senior year at BYU.Not a big deal - BYU can use the scholly for another OL, which is BYU's
most pressing need in this recruiting class anyway.
Good luck to Brayden, BYU got a nice pick up.
@ Ducky:"utah doesn't have any "above" 3 star
recruits."Rivals: Utah 4 stars 1 byU 4 stars 1 Utah 3 stars 23 byU 3 stars 7Scout: Utah
4 stars 0 byU 4 stars 1 Utah 3 stars 16
byU 3 stars 8Espn: Utah 4 stars 1 byU 4 stars 1 Utah 3 stars 24 byU 3 stars 12 Unranked
Utah 1 Unranked byU 7247 Sports Utah 4
stars 3 byU 4 stars 0 Utah 3 stars 20
byU 3 stars 11247 Composite Utah 4 stars 0
byU 4 stars 1 Utah 3 stars 25 byU 3 stars 15No spin, just facts: best case scenario, byU 1 4 star, 15 3 stars.
Utah, 3 4 star, 25 3 star. Worst case, byU 0 4 star, 7 3 star, (7 unranked).
Utah 0 4 star, 16 3 star.Care to revise your statement, or is spin
and selective information all you have?
Its as simple as Math Braden Kearsley minus Johnny Ragin
equals ZeroCoug Nation is a wash, Bronco looses them as fast as he
gains them.Tom Holmoe should be out recruiting, to find out just how
hard it is for the coaching staff to sell INDY snake oil to high school kids.
Get in a BCS conference its a must! Then the recruits will stick to their
word.New Tshirt; Find a HomeO
Now, now. No taunting, please.
Yes, Mildred and Ernest are U-trolls, but I love their tongue in cheek humor.
Why are U worried about BYU's recruiting class? Remember U are in the
mighty PAC12. U should be commenting in the Rocky Mountain News and LA Times,
calling out the Trojans and the Buffs for their recruiting class.And
if U truly believe that stars are the only thing that determines success, U are
headed for a long run as a cellar dwellar. Every team in the PAC, except
Colorado, has more 4 star recruits than U.I guarantee there will be
some 0, 1, or 2 star recruits in BYUs recruiting class who will turn out to be
high impact players. I also guarantee there will be some 3 star recruits for
both Utah and BYU who turn out to be duds. Since we both have only one 4 star
recruit, I'll defer judgement.I've heard great things
about Kearsley. I think he'll be a high impact player.
@howieutah doesn't have any "above" 3 star recruits.
WON84Mildred and Ernest are known trolls. Don't mistake them
for real BYU fans.
Does anyone remember Famika Anae, the sophomore O-Line player who started one
game last fall and then had to retire because of a horrible knee injury? His one
start was a bright spot for the entire season of the BYU O-Line in 2012. He
played with attitude and heart as he flattened defensive players on the other
team. Very glad to have his father back as a BYU coach. Excited that Coach Anae
has landed a major recruit such as Brayden Kearsley. Looking forward to better
play from the O-Line, which means a stronger offense in coming years.
I watched the highlight vid. May I please have some eggs and bacon to go with
all the pancakes!!!! He looks mean and nasty on film. I hope he brings it to
Provo!!! Nice pick up.Mission?
Mildred, you and Ernest Bass get away ahead of yourselves over these recruits.
Calm down a little and let's see how they pan out first.
"Howard S.Taylorsville, UT4 star?I
thought the collective Cougar Nation had decided that stars don't
matter.Unless they do... in which case Utah has 24 3 star and above
commitments and BYU has 8.Not that stars matter..."Do Ute fans get a star each time they leave a comment on an article pertaining
We will now have one of the best O-lines in the country.
Wayne RoutI don't care about stars. And you can't say taha
because we got a 4 star recruit we suddenly changed our minds. No, he was
offered for the same reasons as all the other recruits. Coach Mendenhall and
Anae feel like he will fit in well in the BYU system and that he will abide by
the Honor Code and be an outstanding student first. The ranking still
doesn't matter. It just means that the world will actually recognize him
(or any other star recruit) whereas BYU would recognize him even if he
wasn't a four-star recruit. Stars still mean nothing. It's up to him
to be great and the coaches to help him along the way and mentor him. It's
never about stars.
One more in the long line of great NFL linemen. O-line U and still LB-U and
Wayne, how long are you going to grind that ax? You're already down to
the handle...If it requires an answer, then yes, the two events were
more dissimilar than alike. Braydon says he is going to "bust his
hump." His teammates will know how much is talk and how much is walk. Finally, amen to the poster who was disturbed by the negative responses
from fans. It may be naive but I really hope for better from fans of BYU. I
have grown so weary of the "we're fans, we have a right..."
mentality. You are fans of the university that represents the church of Jesus
Christ. You have a responsibility.
4 star?I thought the collective Cougar Nation had decided that stars
don't matter.Unless they do... in which case Utah has 24 3 star
and above commitments and BYU has 8.Not that stars matter...
WOW!!! Nice pick up, kid looks like awsome on his film!!! Congratz kid and Coach
Anae. Wish we could of picked him up and get our o-line back to the good
ol' days. Go UTES!
It was almost yesterday that we heard that BYU has no interest in highly ranked
recruits? This must mean that he fields punts in practice? Seriously, I am
glad that the Cougars may get a good prospect. I am glad that we have a new
offense even if it is the old offense. I wonder how many other players we lost
because of an offense geared strickly to playing Riley Nelson rather than
For Brayden's sake I hope Bronco doesn't read about the press
conference. That is definitely not a blue collar thing to do. Just look at what
happened to the quarterback who did that. He could never penetrate the
overachiever club of blue collar athletes to gain their support. The culture of
a team is reflective of the haed coach. However the hiring of Anae may be an
indication that Bronco is willing to allow assistants to bring a different
philosophy to broaden the team culture. Else why would Anae come back. things
may be looking up in cougarville.
Hmmmm, did I just read the words 4 stars, Anae, PAC12 and recommitted to BYU in
the same article?I know some kids 'on a hill' that are not
going to be happy about this.I wonder what other surprises Coach
Anae is going to bring?Congrats to Brayden for his decision, BYU is
a great place, it's where traditions are born and mean something for the
rest of your life.
I am happy to see this young man coming to BYU but it troubles me to hear that
he got a lot of grief when he looked at other schools and programs. This is his
decision. We can not make his decision just like he can not make any of ours.
Can you imagine people on twitter telling me who I need to marry or where I
should work or go to school? He needs to listen to all the programs, make the
best decision and then confirm that with his maker. Then he states where he has
chosen to go and we as grown mature adults respect that. We wish him the best of
luck where ever and move on. I hope that this is the case here. We do not want
someone at BYU or anywhere for that matter that is only there because someone
else wants them to. Best of luck Brayden.
This is a great pick up for the Cougs. He will add much need strength to the O
Line. I expect to see him either start or get significant minutes from the two
deep his Freshman year.Taysom Hill will be a star with a solid O
line in front of him.It's great to hear that Coach Anae is
having a positive impact on recruiting already.
Looking better for the Y. This seems to be one indicator as to how wise it was
to change the offensive coaches. Good luck BYU.