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BYU football: MWC divisional alignment, title game have repercussions for Cougars' 2013 schedule

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  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Welcome to the new normal.

    With two divisions and a title game, BYU can no longer expect any MWC teams -- (even ones as pathetic as Hawaii) to schedule after October.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Jan. 26, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    @duckyg

    Don't become all unhinged on me now brother. Alot of caps there, hope you took a breath or two while you pounded that diatribe out. Pretty much proves you're not a coog fan, just a Utah hater.

    Do adults, or anybody for that matter, still use LOL?

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    @duckhunter/sammy

    A little harsh on your rivals, aren't we? Remember, the U still owns the Y. For a brief reminder, 24-21 last year, 54-10 (No, that's not a typo) the year before, 17-16 the year before, in fact 8 out of the last 11, and overall 56-34-4.

    While we are adjusting to the vast increase in competition on a weekly basis, we will at least continue to own you.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    In reference to my comment on 1/23, Idaho State says on its website that it is scheduling a 12th game, but will announce it at a later date. That game is thought to be at BYU. Idaho State has 11 games scheduled with an open date of 11/16. They also have 11/30 open, so their game at LES could be either of those two dates. If it were 11/30, the 11/16 date might work for BYU to travel to Hawaii, depending on whether or not Hawaii schedules a MWC game on that date. The MWC schedule is not finalized as yet, so we'll have to se what happens.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @proud ute

    Uh.... can you refute the actual statement? Of course you can't because it is FACT. utah's athletic program is one of the very worst in all of D1 posting LOSING records in just about every single sport in the most recently completed academic year. That is right LOSING RECORDS in almost every single sport.

    And as if that isn't bad enough this season is only marginally better with them posting losing records again in almost EVRY SINGLE SPORT.

    But hey when FACTS get in the way of reality utah "fans" like yourself just resort to deflection and name calling.

    LOL!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Cougs, you are involved in an athletic facilities arms race now that you cannot win unless you substantially increase athletic revenues by 1)joining the Big 12, Big 10, SEC or PAC 12 or 2) Getting a huge new TV deal with ESPN worth $25 million a year or 3) Get the owners of BYU (LDS Church) to seriously upgrade the amount of money they already pour into BYU and its facilities or some combination of the above. Based on the lack of constrution I see on and around the BYU campus either for academic or athletic facilities I believe the Board of Trustees interest lies in building a world wide church and the facilities required for that endeavor rather than participating in an arms race for athletic facilities. An invite from one of the aforementioned conferences or a bigger TV deal from ESPN do not seem likely. BYU's options are limited. Donors can help but the church also needs those donations to build the world wide church. You don't agree with me but I see BYU being left behind and I don't see an overwhelming interest from the owners to change the trajectory.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    The Cougars may do well to consider postponing to another season or even canceling the game at Hawaii. They probably do not want to move that game to open dates before the Utah and Notre Dame games either. They may already have 12 games scheduled anyway, and would not need a money-losing 13th outing.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Interesting how you ignore the fact that utah is a losing program in decline and that not one single sport it sponsors in the pac12 even had a winning record. utah has an abysmal athletic program, litterally one of the worst in all of D1.

    utah "fans" are delsuional.

    Your hate is really starting to get the better of you.
    Have you considered professional help?
    At the very least, have sammyhunter answer for you. At least that personality still has his sense of humor.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Somehow I'm suspicious the MWC, bitter and disillusioned, scheduled their championship game specifically to adversely affect BYU. But losing Hawaii is hardly a loss...one of the worst teams in America last year.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Dutchman

    "You didn't mention Stanford in your list of bottom feeders yet the Cardinal just won their first Rose Bowl in 42 years."

    That's probably one more Rose Bowl than the Utes will win in the next 42 years.

    It'll be interesting to see which team takes long to get to their first Rose Bowl - Arizona, which has been waiting 35 years, or Utah, which is just getting started.

    "Utah is not even getting the full PAC 12 revenue yet and already the construction crews are busy."

    It remains to be seen whether the teams that occupy Utah's new facilities will be any good. At least teams visiting Utah's new digs will be able to enjoy the facilities Utah's PAC 10.2 associates are helping to finance.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    @dutchman

    Interesting how you ignore the fact that utah is a losing program in decline and that not one single sport it sponsors in the pac12 even had a winning record. utah has an abysmal athletic program, litterally one of the worst in all of D1.

    utah "fans" are delsuional.

    LOL!

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    I cannot get over the contentment of U fans for merely being in the PAC 12. How much respect nationally does anyone have for Washington State footall? They have been in for many years, but have done little or nothing while "belonging". Utah got way more respect when it made it to the BCS both times than it gets now for merely belonging. Isn't it time to set your sights higher than just merely belonging, or just beating a weakling independent rival? How about the USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Stanford? How about the Rose bowl?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    .....There are lots of Utahs, Wake Forests, Dukes, Indianas, etc. in BCS conferences...

    And yes there will soon be only one true independent, BYU, playing Idaho and New Mexico State and never vying for a conference title. You didn't mention Stanford in your list of bottom feeders yet the Cardinal just won their first Rose Bowl in 42 years. I don't see Stanford asking to leave the PAC 12 or go independent. Utah is not even getting the full PAC 12 revenue yet and already the construction crews are busy. The new football center in nearly complete impressing recruits, the new track facility is complete, a new women's softball complex is under construction, and Chris Hill just released a video (you can view it on youtube) showing the plans for RES expansion and a new men's and women's basketball practice facility. Chip Brown of orangebloods just released a report today discussing possible Big 12 expansion plans. He did not mention BYU. Sorry Cougs, but you are falling behind and it will only get worse.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Dutchman

    "Utah's projected payout from the BCS playoff is $3.2 million while BYU's is $200,000"

    - and it'll still take years for U to match the facilities already in place at the Y

    "The Rose Bowl is locked into the PAC 12 vs Big 10"

    - and still no more "accessible" to the Utes than it was when the Utes were in the WAC/MWC

    The "benefits" are only meaningful if they improve the product on the field. So far, there's little evidence of that happening, but at least U get to enjoy the Holidays, at home.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    Dutchman, you're correct, Utah gets a bigger payout from the BCS however what you do with it is what matters. There are lots of Utahs, Wake Forests, Dukes, Indianas, etc. in BCS conferences...

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    @ PAC 12 loves U

    Have you seen BYU’s unofficial schedule for next year?

    On the other hand (Utah)playing Colorado, Weber State, and Washington State on your schedule is pretty Weak. And plus in 2014 Utah decides to play Fresno State instead of BYU is pretty darn inexcusable!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Let's see, Utah's projected payout from the BCS playoff is $3.2 million while BYU's is $200,000. Nope, no difference there. The Rose Bowl is locked into the PAC 12 vs Big 10 and now the Sugar Bowl is locked into the SEC vs Big 12. Yep, the BCS bowls are quickley locking in their partners without BYU or the MWC. So, tell me again how Utah does not benefit from PAC 12 membership? Mayor Becker of Salt Lake City even made mention of the benefits to the City of Utah's PAC 12 membership in his state of the city address. The mayor of Provo can only wish and dream.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 24, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Pac 12 loves u, chris, and all of the others who couldn't gain admission to BYU - continuing to post on articles related to BYU isn't going to change that painful defeat. 54-10 won't. Nothing will. That's just who you are.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    whoami

    "With the additional teams in the MWC and the conference title game will preclude additional teams from being available to play non-conference games ones conference play begins in late Sept."

    What a clueless statement.

    The MWC is only playing an 8-game conference schedule. Throw in Hawaii and teams that play in Hawaii, and more than half the conference could have five OOC games to schedule. With the PAC 12 off limits to OOC games after September and the WAC no longer in the football business, who do you think all of those MWC teams will be calling to help them fill their OOC schedules?

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    PAC 10.2 bottom dweller

    Playing "better competition" doesn't mean diddly, if U don't beat anybody good.

    Oh wait, U did beat one "good" team,

    BYU!

    Lucky U.

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams and beat one, #16 Utah State, along with ACC division champ Georgia Tech (which dominated USC in the Sun Bowl), and San Diego State (co-champion of the MWC).

    Utah only played TWO Top 25 teams and lost to both.

    As mediocre as BYU's season finished, at least BYU came close to beating every team they played, except Oregon State. Four of BYU's five losses were by less than a touchdown.

    Utah, on the other hand, wasn't even close in most of their losses. All seven of Utah's losses were by at least a touchdown, and five of them were double-digit losses.

    The new playoff system is meaningless to a team that is so hopelessly entrenched at the bottom of their conference.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    In other news a University of Michigan grad threw 2 interceptions in the second half of a critical turned season ending championship game while that said U of D qb was calm and collected and slowly marched his team to the Super Bowl.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    Little trolls talking about 'on the outside looking in' while their little pathetic team is on the inside looking up with drooling mouths salivating at opportunities to NEVER come their way again... Hey BCS lovers... Did you accept the fact that this year's super bowl is a matchup of a University of Deleware v University of Nevada Reno QB's? Seems that BCS is only all that while in college playing football but then.... Crickets.... and this is the last season of the BCS nonsense so get off your high horse of insanity already!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    The effect on the Y's schedule will be felt well beyond 2013. With the additional teams in the MWC and the conference title game will preclude additional teams from being available to play non-conference games ones conference play begins in late Sept. Have hope Idaho is an independent and New Mexico State probably has open dates. Who knows what the remenant team from the Big Least will do? So some games may be available in November... good luck.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    @ TrollPolice

    "On the outside looking in a what"

    The new BCS playoff system, duh! In case you haven't heard but the Mountain West has automatic access to one of the six BCS bowls if their conference champion is the highest ranked of the "mid-major conferences".

    An indy BYU team has no automatic access to a major bowl game. So Mr. Farcus is right! BYU is on the outside looking in!

    "a conference bottom dweller that will never be a contender for a division title, let alone, a conference title?"

    At least Utah is stepping up to the plate playing better competition week in and week out! Unlike BYU that can't beat anyone good on their schedule but has enough cupcakes on their schedule to make them bowl eligible.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    Scotty

    "the Y is on the outside looking in"

    On the outside looking in a what, a conference bottom dweller that will never be a contender for a division title, let alone, a conference title?

    Big deal!

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    Its to bad the Y left the MTW conf. they would be looking pretty nice right now if they would have stayed.

    The conferences are aligning and the Y is on the outside looking in.

    New T-shirt "Quest 4 BCS"

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Jan. 23, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    A trip to Hawaii would be nice if BYU were in Utah's position (and excluded from bowl participation for insufficient wins). Hawaii needs BYU more than the other way around. BYU has always been Hawaii's biggest rival in football (although the same could be said of Utah, San Diego State, New Mexico, and UNLV). It would be nice for BYU to just skip the Hawaii trip this year to focus on a BCS bowl or the Kraft Bowl in San Francisco.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    Yep, blame it on Craig Thompson for whatever reason he choose to do.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Crissy B,
    I didn't realize that you owned the BCS and the PAC 10.2 enough to call it yours!! Enjoy the BCS and PAC 10.2 affiliation, especially since the BCS will be dead soon and he PAC 10.2 will run out of patience with a sluggish Utah program in the major sports and uninvite them. Better to be an independent winning program that be the perenial bottom feeder of any conference. I agree with CougFanin TX, better to be a winner.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Chris B's actual comment was, "I love my BCS and Pac 12 membership". lol.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    I love Chris B's comment, "I love my pac 12"!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    The Middle Tenn. ST. game can be scheduled Nov 30, but not Sep 14, as they tentatively have Memphis on that date. Hawaii can be scheduled on Sep 14, but not Nov 30, as they tentatively have ARMY on that date. Both Hawaii and Mid. Tenn. ST. could be scheduled on either Sep 28 or Nov 2, as neither have games scheduled as yet on those dates. It will have to be seen whether any of those dates will work out for either or both or these teams, after their conference schedules are finalized. It appears that some tweeking will need to occur on the BYU schedule. The 10 games (5 home and 5 away) on BYU's tentative schedule are also listed on their opponents' schedules, except for Idaho State, although the Utah, Utah State, and Boise State, schedules are "tentative", and Idaho State has not added BYU to their 11 game schedule. The Idaho State schedule has an open date of Nov 16. They cannot play on Dec 7 as that is when the FCS holds its championship game. It will be interesting to see the final schedule when it comes out.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    Warrior Parent

    Chris B and 54-IQ are the same person and yes, they/she is closely connected to the D-News.

    Regardless, BYU has an outstanding schedule for next season and most BYU fans will be very pleased with it when it's announced.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    I think the following must have gotten cut off:

    @Chris B - Regardless of whatever future changes there are to the college football landscape, there will be two constants:

    1. Utah will be IN - the bottom 1 or 2 in football, basketball and baseball, like they are now.
    2. byu and usu will be OUT - working hard to improve their schools and athletic programs.

    I take pride in how my school is doing, not what conference I'm in.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Chris B and 54IQ post so quickly after the article goes live, it makes you wonder if they are Deseret News employees? or the actual authors of the articles

    as for the Mountain West... no-one cares, good riddance

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    If we lose this game, how many do we need to fill for next year? It appears that we may only be playing 7 games next year at this rate.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @54IQ

    Hardly. Not that big of a deal to change the date of that game as there are a couple of dates that will work. I always thought 12/7 was a strange date to schedule a game anyway as most teams are done playing and into bowl preparation (other than utah of course which is just done) by that date. Maybe the though was taking a bye earlier and then having less time between your last game and your bowl game means you stay in shape and game ready.

    Either way it won't be a big deal. Now not even going to a bowl game and having a losing record? That's a big deal, espcially when you have a very tenuous "fan"base and not much of a legacy to begin with.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    REgardless of whatever the future brings, there will be two constants:

    1. The government will tax.
    2. Chris B will post on every BYU story.

  • Area 52 Dugway, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Tell me if I'm wrong but Utah has been more of a bottom feeder in the Pac 12 and has not helped their cause of belonging in the Pac 12. And I don't see Utah's future changing for the better anytime soon, other than a new offensive cordinator and maybe a new head coach after next year.

    The way I see it after 2013 BYU, Utah State, and even Hawaii will have just a good a chance of making it to a BCS game than Utah. It will be great to see Utah get beat up year after year in the PAC 12! And see Utah State and BYU when 10-11 games a year!

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Chris B is correct.

    Utah will be IN sipping on a nice cup of warm milk during the bowl games and BYU and USU will be OUT of state at their respective bowl games.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Hawaii will not be in the championship game.

    Problem solved.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Cougs at the mercy of the Mountain West Conference.

    Nice.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Regardless of whatever future changes there are to the college football landscape, there will be two constants:

    1. Utah will be IN
    2. byu and usu will be OUT

    I love my BCS and Pac 12 membership!