I own Sorella Bella, an online store for sister missionaries. Business
quadrupled for a bit there, but has since slowed down quite a bit. I am still
doing more business than before the announcement but it seems to be have evened
The men would go no matter the 1 year age diffence. Why all the pictures of the
elders and their preparations? Isn't it the sisters numbers driving up
busines? New business being created because the new age means they are about to
go at an exponential rate higher?
My2CentsTaylorsville, UTI congratulate you on your success,
but I can't say that I couldn't disagree with you more. I will say
college isn't for everybody, and many companies will bring college grads
into entry level positions where a degree isn't necessary. In those cases
there is some truth to what you say. A college education if you take advantage
of it will develop critical thinking skills, and expand ones world view, while
giving them marketable job skills provided they study something useful. If
college focuses on poverty jobs heaven help the ones who don't go. I must
be a statistical anomaly because my wife has earned over 6 figures since her mid
30s and I am not far behind her and not yet 40. I have lived all over the US,
and have a fetish for $60k cars. I set my own work schedule, and have the
flexibility to work from home. There is a saying, youth is wasted on the young
and it is so true. These days young people can't afford to miss
opportunities to better themselves. If it is not college then what do you
suggest these kids do?
Sounds like some of these businesses should donate money back to the colleges
that will have to fire people due to this decision.
I believe that some don't realize the impact of talking about missions and
the military. There have been times when people could not go on missions due to
allotments for missionaries going on a mission. There were plenty that had to
go into the military during the draft times in the past. Some of those
didn't have the opportunity to go on a church mission as their life was cut
short serving their country. Many were able to go on a mission and then were
still drafted into the military service. There were individual decisions but
also governmental decisions and the Church had to make decisions with
allotments. Times vary with draft or no draft. If women are
offered more combat related jobs and the draft comes back, we may have a
situation for our 19 year old sisters to go through what our young men have done
in the past. We live in the latter-days and know it won't be easy to
hasten the work. Bad people have bad plans for our civilization. I am glad to
see that Elder Barker is going on a mission and hope and pray others follow the
I think @Y_is_for_Yale might have a big chip on his shoulder about something
here. First of all, making a comparison of serving a mission to serving in the
military was not really meant to say they are the same. There are parallels that
can be made, without someone over-reaching and thinking one is considering them
the same. But, some people have a hard time seeing past the literal and
considering the kind of similarities that exist in so many things. This is what
I would call being closed-minded, not quite how the world would define it. If
you're a military man and offended by the comparison, then get over it. If
you think that people who serve missions are 'self-serving' then
you're way off the mark. Someday you will come to know just how similar
these 'missions' really are, and how serving a mission and teaching of
Christ will ultimately do much more to benefit the nations of the world than
military service will.As far as personal sacrifice goes, however,
you may be on to something. But I still think there are comparisons to be made.
I think many of you are still missing the underlying point - all of these
decisions are individual decisions. No one pattern works for everyone, nor
should it. People within the church, and outside of it for that matter, should
consider their own situation, individually, and not necessarily lets trends,
customs, traditions, etc, control those decisions. Balance all those things with
personal circumstances, and a little inspiration, and make the best choice for
YOU. It might be tough for some parents to handle a child not following exactly
in their footsteps, but most of us have diverted at least a little from family
traditions, and things have turned out okay.Just one caveat however:
Don't ever let your quest to be 'your own person' and do things
'your own way' allow you to forget underlying fundamental truths.
Anchor yourself in eternal principles, and the 'practical' part of
your path through life will usually take care of itself. And for those really
uptight people who believe there is only one way to success (i.e. a college
education is not for everyone), lighten up! It simply is not true.
RBB - While I agree church missions teach young LDS kids discipline and
commitment, I think any comparison between a church mission and the military is,
in general, a poor comparison. The sacrifices our military members make in
service to their nation, and the sense of discipline and commitment they
constantly show on the field of battle is in no way similar to a young
missionary's "mission". The "missions" our service members
are sent on, in service to our nation, and, hence, in service to the citizens of
Utah (of which the LDS faithful benefit from), are very much different than the
"missions" embarked on by the LDS youth. For one, a military mission
seeks to benefit the general defense of an entire nation (or nations), not just
a chosen segment or a particular religious denomination. For two, our military
members put their lives on the line during their "missions". Please
stop with the military references. Moreover, you have no data to back up your
claim that LDS missionaries "have higher GPAs". The biggest threat to
our nation is a lack of willingness of its citizens to serve in capacities that,
often, do not directly benefit themselves.
@Say No to BOCongrats on making it work but you are one data point.
I'd say the vast majority of people are better served getting their affairs
in order before they start having kids. I'm a faithful RM, got married a
year after I got back (at the start of my 3rd year in college), graduated, saved
up enough money that I could put a down payment on a small starter home so I
wouldn't have to pay into the scam that is mortgage insurance, THEN had
kids.President Kimball had his sequence in the 70's, but that
has since been superseded by President Hinckley's counsel to let let anyone
pressure you into having kids before you're ready. Remember how we're
supposed to get out of debt? That's much harder when you're a college
student making $10k/year with a wife, a kid, and one on the way.
@Say No to BO"Perhaps the old ways are better than the progressive
ones where you have a house before you have children."It depends
on the individual/couple. Personally I would prefer a certain level of financial
security before having kids since that would make things less stressful.
@SuccessPresident Kimball established a sequence back in 1974. It was
Mission-Start College-Marriage-Children-Finish College. His point was not to
wait to marry and start a family.It worked out just fine for me. My wife
and I are both degreed and we have seven responsible children starting families
of their own.Perhaps the old ways are better than the progressive ones
where you have a house before you have children.
@success, I would not be overly concerned. Like the military, missions teach
discipline and commitment. A college professor does not seen so scary after you
have knocked 10000 doors and had a large number slammed in you face. If you did
a study I bet you would find that most returned missionaries have higher GPAs
and are less likely to wonder aimlessly.through higher education. The bigger
threat right now is college age kids thinking that education is a huge debt to
take on when jobs are scarce.
Oops! I meant unfounded, not ungrounded.
Dear Success in Life:Your fears are ingrounded. Missionaries, as a
group tend, to be very educated, successful people.These young
people know they are doing what the Lord would have them do. That leads to many
wonderful blessings in life.
Success is a subjective concept and education is merely one of the biased tools
giving false hope in today's young adults.Jobs, training and
eduction are an evolutionary process. Childhood dreams and aspirations are
fantasy not to be treated as a goal.Education is not a tool to
success, its often times a deterrent to success because 18 year old's are
not ready. And this is the failure in our education system and why we are a
nation where PTSD is a way of life and an excuse not to be successful. Colleges focus on poverty jobs, not education or progressive free will and
free minds. They create PTSD, obedience, and submissive employees working for
the dead end industrial machine.The best choice and 18 year old can
make is to break the eduction process to give themselves time to think and look
as the world and themselves and where they want to fit in it. High school to
today's college dulls minds then deters progressive economy and society.
My escape and my success was not because of formal eduction, is was
informal and desired education that made me successful and more than satisfied
with my life.
I am deeply concerned that thousands of young people choose a mission over their
education and not enroll in college after high school. As an objective outside
observer it seems that their is so much importance placed on missions that it is
a matter of family pride, a rite of passage, expected even. Most Protestant
denominations require their missionaries to be ordained ministers which
typically requires a four year degree from a seminary college followed by an
entry level position in a church which prepares them for what lies ahead as
educated adults. I realize many return missionaries do go to college upon
return, but an astonishing number get married soon after getting back with no
marketable job skills or education. Utah has nearly the highest college dropout
rate for women in the nation due to early marriage and young motherhood. My
whole life I was taught that the gold standard for success was to go to college,
get a job, get married, get financially established, buy a house, then have
children. Otherwise you would experience financial hardship most of your life,
and I see so much of that here and it is an avoidable self inflicted wound.
Make sure those suits have a few extra inches in them for growth. These young
men still aren't done growing when they are 18! Seriously -
good luck to them all. It's a great new adventure out there!