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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    Sorry to break it to you Phoenix, but the better team won on the field, not bt popular vote. Utah played a tougher schedule, that's the only reason BYU had a better record . Nice try though, and a great spin job as usual

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    Guess he's going to have to cut his hair, eh?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So the better team is the one who loses, on the field, to their opponent?"

    The better team, quite obviously, is the team that has the better overall season.

    Winning 1/12th of the season doesn't prove you're the better team.

    BYU(8-5) bowl winner, #26 in Sagarin > Utah(5-7) bowl no show, #61 in Sagarin

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    @Utenonmous

    So the better team is the one who loses, on the field, to their opponent? Would you be interested in buying some ocean front property, here in Spokane?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    @stg

    You've still failed to post even one "despicable" comment. Next tiome perhaps you'll rethink your phrasing and save yourself this humiliation.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    "Star was a great player, but even he wasn't good enough to help the Utes beat USC, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, ASU, OSU, and lowly Utah State, and most of those PAC 10.2 schools had BETTER recruiting classes than Utah. And lets not forget that Utah, with all those stars, BARELY beat BYU at home last season. Throw in Oregon and Stanford next season and the Utes could easily be looking at a 3-9 season."

    SportsAuthority, I was actually talking about the stars as in rankings of recruits, not Loutulelei who is an excellent player as you pointed out.

    Regarding the "all those stars" comment, BYU and Utah's classes have been comparable for the last ten years or so. This is all the more reason why I'm confused when Chris B goes off about "BCS" this and that. The Texas' and USC's get the big time players, the rest fight over one occasionally. The same is really true for both BYU and Utah.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    More spin from the spinmeister?

    The truth is, the overwhelming impression left on fans who watched the game was U barely hung on by your fingernails at the end and Utah fans were so ecstatic about beating BYU that they rushed the field THREE times, nearly costing the Utes the game.

    NOBODY outside of Utedom gives any credence to Utah's supposed "domination" of BYU or of being the best or even 2nd best team in the state.

    The overall results of the season conclusively reject your hypothesis that Utah was the better team in 2012.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Looks like you're trying to make a mountain out of molehill; it's doubtful the Anderson family would even bat an eye at any of the quotes you dug up.

    Being a head coach of a major college football team elicits constant scrutiny and critique from fans.

    The Anderson's were probably much more impressed with the positive comments they read from BYU fans.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority:

    "...lets not forget that Utah, with all those stars, BARELY beat BYU at home last season."

    Let's ALSO not forget that Utah played that game without their starters at QB, RB, SS, and FS, and STILL held a 17-pt 4th-qtr lead. Perhaps BJ and Sitake won't let up late in the game come this Fall. You guys were LUCKY to just to get within range for a 51-yd FG to end the game (not to mention lucky to benefit from a ticky-tac foul at the end of the game due to Utah's fans on the [opposite side] of the field, sans offsetting penalty due to YOUR coaches -- who on the field as well, and closer to the live-ball action).

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    I posted them the first time when, for whatever reason, the mods didn't pass it. I took me ten minutes to find those, you could find them just as easily but of course it doesn't suit your purpose.

    Screen names: Thomas Jefferson, toosmartforyou, DaveKnowsWhatsUP, 3grandslams, Meckofahess, and RockOn. Pretty sure I've seen all of them as admitted BYU fans.

    And also Duckhunter: "One is that this does show a lack of integrity."

    So, BlueCoug, just as I said, your perception of "despicable" is up to you to decide, but the definition of it is "deserving to be despised; contemptible," and I know I would despise those labels on me or anyone else I respected. Again, if you didn't personally say those things, I don't hold you accountable. This is why I find it hilarious every time someone tries to pin something someone else said on me as what I believe just because we root for the same team.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    WON84

    Star was a great player, but even he wasn't good enough to help the Utes beat USC, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, ASU, OSU, and lowly Utah State, and most of those PAC 10.2 schools had BETTER recruiting classes than Utah. And lets not forget that Utah, with all those stars, BARELY beat BYU at home last season. Throw in Oregon and Stanford next season and the Utes could easily be looking at a 3-9 season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    @stg

    Nice try but another failure by you. For one all you could do was attempt to attack me with out of context statements, then when you post some quotes you don't even give us any screen names for them. My guess is most of them are from aggie fans mad about anderson leaving and at that none of them said anything "despicable".

    So once again you made an unfounded accusation, are incapable of backing it up, but are "frantically and emotionally" trying to do so and failing miserably.

    LOL!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    "Only "star" to commit this weekend was Star lotuleuleis brother. He committed to Utah, over byu, usu, and many bcs schools.

    How many of these byu kids picked byu over Utah offers?

    Zero?"

    Chris B - I would actually venture to say 75% of the recruits who end up at BYU held offers from Utah and that the same is true vice versa.

    Regarding your comment about BCS schools, keep in mind that schools like Washington St., UConn, Indiana, Duke, Wake Forest, and Kansas are "BCS schools." The only thing that really means is schools are fortunate enough to leach off TV revenue provided by schools like UCLA, USC, Texas, Michigan, etc. The fat will eventually be trimmed so enjoy it while it lasts.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Comments from BYU fans about Gary Anderson's move to Wisconsin:

    Rockwell

    "GA deserves a promotion to a big time program after building a Top 25 team from nothing and helping build another winner from the ashes left behind by Urban."

    "It was BECAUSE of Anderson that Utah achieved the success they did in 2008; he would have been even more successful at a higher profile school. Now he'll get his chance."

    BlueCoug

    "Good luck to Gary at Wisconsin. Except for a certain game in November next year, I hope you have a great first season."

    BYUalum

    "It's about the opportunity to take care of him and his family. I'm sure it would have to be a significant amount of money for him to leave. In this economy wouldn't you jump at the chance? Be realistic!"

    Cougar Passion

    "Aggie fans will never believe another coach. It truly is sad. But, I agree with other posters--I can't blame him, but he needed to back off the "I'm happy here" assertions if there was ANY possibility for him to go anywhere else."

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Nothing you posted even remotely approaches "very despicable," but it's interesting that you didn't even bother attaching a screen name to each quote.

    As far as I'm concerned, I find no fault at all in coaches changing schools when better opportunities become available. I suspect that nearly every one of those criticizing Coach Anderson for leaving Utah State would leave their current employer in a heartbeat if another employer offered to quadruple their salary for doing the same type of work as they were doing for their current employer.

    Regardless, I'm sure that Chasen and his family understand the difference between typical fan smack, valid criticism, and "very despicable" comments.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    So, Truth Machine, whether you consider that despicable or not is up to you, but I know that I would certainly despise such comments if they were to be spoken by complete strangers about my father. And I trust you that the vast majority of Cougar fans are more respectful than that, but what I said I was eager to hear about were the ones with those responses, because that doesn't sound like tons of respect.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    You were challenged to defend the following statement by producing just one "very despicable thing" said about Gary Anderson by any BYU fan:

    "I am interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel toward the Andersen family now, after so many of them saying very despicable things about Gary."

    And, after being called on the carpet for falsely accusing BYU fans of some imaginary despicable thing, your only response is to attack the blogger who called you on the carpet?

    One word: FAIL!

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    btw, the vast majority of BYU fans have tons of respect for Gary Anderson and the great job he did in turning around the faltering Aggie program, and we're thrilled to have his son, Chasen, join the BYU football program.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    First time posting this didn't take. Attempt 2:

    "Integrity! The difference between Anderson every other coach and Bronco is integrity."

    "And just think--he had superb training from Opportunity Urban- "I love Utah and want to raise my family here." Hogwash!!"

    "Selling others out? Lack of integrity? I guess I wouldn't have really expected anything different from someone who has roots at the U."

    "Andersen just threw the Aggies under the bus."

    "Wow, talk about an example of no integrity... Sorry, I don't buy it. Can't say I'm happy for the Coach."

    "Would we all do the same for 3 times more money? Depends on our standards and definitions of character. Selling out is such an easy thing to do when the price is right, so easy to rationalize."

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    "If he does post it will be some indignant and self righteous proclomation about having read all of these "despicable things" but he'll still not supply us with any evidence of any of them. Typical."

    Just as your "indignant, self-righteous proclomation (sic)" that if you don't celebrate everything BYU, sports included, you're a pathetic member of the Church? Yeah, that glows of tolerance and Christlike love. Then having the audacity to slander one's education program without knowing anything about it, and after having the details explained in full running off tail between legs without a response. I would never say "typical BYU fan" about that, because I have way more respect for many of my friends, the typical BYU fan, than that. Just typical you.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    I have to laugh when an obviously BYU-obsessed hater pretends that he cares more about the U when he hardly ever comments on Utah articles except to slam BYU,

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 22, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    midwacmajor:

    "Filipo Mokofisi is a 2-star OLB recruit"

    Rivals rates Mokofisi as a 3-star OLB recruit with a 5.5-grade.

    Duckhunter:

    "Nor do they have any good LB's. That has never been a position they are particularly adept at recruiting or developing...BYU on the otherhand is always very strong at LB and does a great job of developing LB's."

    Interesting, since the Utes had put 3 LBs into the NFL over the last 4-yrs, whereas our little brother had placed only 1.

    U little brother:

    "Two articles about Utah recruits with not a single comment from you; one article about BYU recruits and already three comments from you, with undoubtedly many more to follow...Obsessed much?"

    I have to laugh when some Y fan scours the comment sections across all pages in order to take the time to count each Ute fan's number of posts, and then insist that it is WE who are obsessed much. Typical hypocritical coug.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Hey Jones,

    How's life in Tucson?

    Have you talked with Josh?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Come on utahcountyute, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a former Utah and current Utah State coach isn't going to be singing BYU's praises very often, if ever.

    Hard evidence isn't required when circumstances are self evident. Of course, if you have "evidence" to the contrary, we'd love to see it.

    Clearly, you only require "evidence" when the narative doesn't fit your agenda.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    I just feel an overwhelming appreciation for each one of you. I feel so "alive" after reading these comments. Go Utes, go Cougs, go grandma!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    @swoop

    "when it's a given that BYU was hardly ever discussed in a positive light in the Anderson home."

    When was the last time you sat in the Anderson home? Exactly.

    Clearly, "evidence" is not high on yours and Ducky's priority list either when it comes to spewing such statements. Spare us.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    Howard S.: Did you mean the difference was "mini-school"? And, do you agree with me that there are just so many hateful comments here? Good "gravy", why can't we just be happy with each other's successes and our own? It is so painful to read some of these posts. Oh yes, call me masochistic. May the "blue"bird of happiness pay a visit to each of those who get so worked up over these issues.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Two articles about Utah recruits with not a single comment from you; one article about BYU recruits and already three comments from you, with undoubtedly many more to follow.

    Obsessed much?

    Or simply further proof that you're really just a BYU-hater.

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    Duckhunter

    "BYU on the otherhand is always very strong at LB and does a great job of developing LB's. If they think the Anderson kid has potential then I would go with their assessment over Utah's any day of the week. They have the track record of turning them out, Utah....not so much."

    Couldn't agree more. It's too bad our Philly friend is so blinded by his BYU-hatred, that he can't see reality.

    One of the stars of the college football bowl season was a BYU LB. Of course, Utah was a no-show for the bowl, so it's no wonder Chasen never considered the Utes.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    @naval

    "The Utes don't have any 2-star LB recruits."

    Nor do they have any good LB's. That has never been a position they are particularly adept at recruiting or developing. Frankly they are very weak at that position and it doesn't appear they've done much to help themselves out at that position this year either. Interesting considering whittingham was a lb, and a pretty good one.

    BYU on the otherhand is always very strong at LB and does a great job of developing LB's. If they think the Anderson kid has potential then I would go with their assessment over utah's any day of the week. They have the track record of turning them out, utah....not so much.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    navel vet

    "The Utes don't have any 2-star LB recruits."

    Filipo Mokofisi is a 2-star OLB recruit.

    btw, Chasen led all Utah Class 4A linebackers in tackles as a junior, but suffered a season-ending knee injury on the first play of his senior year, which obviously affected his "star" rating. Utah's short-sightedness, is BYU's gain.

    Can't wait to see him blind-siding future Utah QBs.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Chasen was offered "preferred walk-on status" at Wisconsin, which as you know (or at least you should know, since you pretend to be such a recruiting "expert"), a preferred walk-on is a player who is promised a roster spot, and reports with the scholarship players for fall camp a few weeks before classes start; he is not on scholarship, but he can earn a scholarship as soon as one becomes available.

    Kyle choosing not to recruit Chasen simply shows that Chasen never even considered the Utes, even though his father, at one time, had very close ties to the Utes.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Ufan: Well, gosh darn there. Why be so negative? Can't we all just get along?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "His family has now chosen to align itself with BYU, and this from a utah 'legacy' like Chasen."

    Just because Chasen is a Utah legacy, that doesn't mean he'll automatically be awarded a scholarship. If Chasen wanted to attend the U, he'd have to do so as a walk-on, since the Utes never offered him. His only choices were USU and the Y. If you think you have something to gloat over, take it up with the Aggies. The Utes don't have any 2-star LB recruits.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Nice spin, but BYU had marched from their own 30 to Utah's 20, and had Utah's defense on their heels, with the momentum clearly in BYU's favor, when BYU's botched snap, and Utah's scoop and score, gave Utah an unearned touchdown and some much needed momentum.

    -------

    Now, when are you going to come clean on your "despicable Anderson bashing" claim and either admit that you simply made that up, or give us some proof to support your false claim?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Swoop:

    "It's interesting that Chasen chose BYU over Utah State, Utah and Wisconsin..."

    Chasen wasn't offered scholarships at either Utah or Wisconsin. He only received offers from USU and the Y. And since neither this article, Scout, nor Rivals have Chasen with offers from the Utes and Badgers, I don't know where you got him turning either school down.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @stg

    I also wonder how the Anderson family feels reading all of the despicable thing utah "fans" have said, and continue to say, about BYU, its players, its recruits like Chasen, and its coaches? Especially now that their son has chosen to affiliate himself with this great university and in light of how excited Gary was for Chasen when he accepted his scholarship.

    It would seem that Gary's divorce from utah is now complete wouldn't it? He now has a job far superior to the utah coaching job so utah "fans" claiming he was the "next coach in waiting" can give that fantasy up. His family has now chosen to align itself with BYU, and this from a utah "legacy" like Chasen.

    Perhaps they simply got tired of the utah "fans" after having experienced them first hand while at USU. I have no doubt that gave them a perspective they hadn't previously gotten while Anderson was at utah.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Marked it Down, you tell me I should at least know of what I speak, and then you just reword my entire statement to make it more BYU-friendly. Yes, they may have been threatening to score, as you say, but having missed each and every one of their field goals in the game, and having very little offensive efficiency to that point wouldn't inspire much confidence in me that they actually would score, nor did it threaten my confidence that Utah would stop them and maintain their lead as I was watching it.

    And that second bit is exactly what I was talking about as well, why are the trolling Utah fans so insecure about something that doesn't affect Utah whatsoever, and then in response, more than a few BYU fans showing plenty of insecurity?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "I am interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel toward the Andersen family now, after so many of them saying very despicable things about Gary."

    I'm interested to see how many examples you can produce to back up your false claim.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    @Swoop

    You are correct about some of these utah "fans" of course. Personally I doubt stg will post again on this article and he certainly won't be able to supply us with even one shred of evidence to back up his false claim of BYU fans "saying very despicable things about Gary." If he does post it will be some indignant and self righteous proclomation about having read all of these "despicable things" but he'll still not supply us with any evidence of any of them. Typical.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    BYUtah Fan

    "But, if BYU had played the same schedule that Utah had played, they likely would have stayed home as well."

    You have absolutely no proof that would have been the case.

    It was a mediocre year for both teams, but I'll take a mediocre year of winning a bowl, beating a Top 25 team, and almost beating #3-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend, over a losing, bowl-less season, anyday.

    BYU finished #26 in Sagarin; Utah finished #61.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Wow, talk about fighting over nothing. Utah's season was very mediocre and they didn't go to bowl game for the first time in many years. But, if BYU had played the same schedule that Utah had played, they likely would have stayed home as well. Neither team (with the exception of BYU's defense) has much to crow about. It is time to look at our own teams and figure out how to make them nationally relevant again. The rivalry may be fun, but get serious. The trash talk is just stupid.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    What teams do against each other on the field proves nothing. It's all about who can beat the most teams from Idaho. Jealous much?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    Our friends on the hill are fond of making up strawmen when they have nothing else to whine about.

    It's interesting that Chasen chose BYU over Utah State, Utah and Wisconsin, especially when it's a given that BYU was hardly ever discussed in a positive light in the Anderson home.

    It just shows how effective BYU was in recruiting Chasen.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    @stg

    Please give us one example of "so many of them saying very despicable things about Gary."

    "Despicable" is a pretty strong word, please supply evidence of your false claim.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    If you're going to correct someone, you should at least know of what you speak.

    Utah was clinging to a 10-7 lead and BYU had the ball 1st and 15 at Utah's 25-yard line threatening to tie the game or take the lead when the bad snap scoop and score gave Utah a gift touchdown and a 17-7 lead.

    Even so, Utah barely hung to win 24-21 after Riley Stephenson's 36 FG try bounced off the upright.

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    "I don't see what the issue about the BYU-Utah thing is here."

    The issue is the jealousy that practically oozes from the hill every time another recruit commits to BYU. It's like the kids on the hill have to convince themselves that every BYU commit is a player whom Utah would have absolutely no interest in signing.

    Ironically, their jealous obsession proves just the opposite.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    killarney, a bad snap didn't lead to a go-ahead scoop and score. Utah was already up 10-7, and went on to take a 17-point lead shortly thereafter. Ironically, a bad snap from Utah later contributed to BYU tightening the score. Was this "lucky" for BYU?

    I don't see what the issue about the BYU-Utah thing is here. Neither of these recruits was anyone Utah was pursuing, so there should be no hurt feelings on Utah's part. I am interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel toward the Andersen family now, after so many of them saying very despicable things about Gary. My prediction: if he's good, it's all because of BYU; if not, it's Utah's fault.

    Congratulations to both of these guys for completing their college search, and good luck to them in their athletic careers.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    It's funny so many comment from Utah fans. Someone who is not jealous would never say anything because they don't care. Only those who have some inferiority complex would say anything at all. I've never commented on a Utah article or about any of there recruits because I DON'T CARE about Utah football or anything they have! It's unusual you have fans of a team that talks so much crap yet finished with a losing record.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "So Utah losing IN OVERTIME means we're "incapable" of beating the Aggies, but a failure to kick a 51-yd FG IN REGULATION just to TIE the game means Utah was "lucky"?"

    Nope,

    Losing in OT doesn't mean the Utes were incapable of beating Utah if they'd played again, just that they were incapable of beating the Utes on the particular occasion.

    And yes.

    The Utes were lucky that a bad snap lead to Utah's go ahead scoop and score. Utah didn't do anything to make that play happen other than pick up a lose ball and run it into the end zone.

    Don't forget who's finished with the better record and higher ranking during most of the Bronco/Kyle era.

    As far as the WAC is concerned, a team that's lost their final two games against WAC opponents, and only won TWO championships in 38 years in the conference with an overall losing 200-208 record, is in no position to be talking down about a conference in which the Utes spent most of their time as a bottom dweller.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    I hate it when BYU trolls (lil Ducky) go over to Utah stories just to spread hate. I am equally embarrassed by Utah trolls coming over to BYU stories.

    Good luck Chasen. If you have even half the football mind your father has, you will do fine for yourself, regardless of the stars or lack thereof.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    I'm intrigued by both of these kids. The Anderson kid was a stud his jr year and then missed almost his entire sr year with a knee injury. He appears to be a little bit undersized although middle lb's are sometimes a bit shorter than the outside guys. I'll be excited to see what he can do.

    The lineman, Carter, from what I hear is a mountain of a kid with room to still beef up. I talked to a coach at BYU and he said this kid was really under the radar but shouldn't have been, they're very excited about him. Of course they always say they are excited about all of them so we'll see but he sounded pretty genuine about it.

    Does anyone know if either will participate in spring or are both not going to be on campus until summer? Other than the Greene kid from Washington are any of the others that sign going to be here for spring?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Rockwell:

    "BYU beat a ranked team that Utah was incapable of beating...Sorry, but Utah's lucky win over BYU doesn't prove much. U were still only the 3rd best team in the state last season."

    So Utah losing IN OVERTIME means we're "incapable" of beating the Aggies, but a failure to kick a 51-yd FG IN REGULATION just to TIE the game means Utah was "lucky"?

    Typical cougar franti and emotional spin.

    Don't forget who had won 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11 in the series. And in only ONE of your wins was the winning play not the last play of the game. THAT's called luck. Utah beating our Indy-WACey little brother isn't "luck". It's really more par for the course.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    Howard: You said,"Carter specifically is the type of player I have seen in the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star." You mean like the last BYU player that had previously committed to Utah State?

    Your argument is flawed. First off the facts are incorrect. Carter did not commit to the Aggies and second Riley Nelson (I assume that is who you are referencing) not only committed he played for USU. Very different situation from Chasen. Recruits change their minds all the time, after all their kids. Unlike assistant coaches whose names rhyme with May Bod they are shown a little leniency.

  • H-man Shreveport, LA
    Jan. 21, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    At 1:00 p.m. 965 wrote the following: "Guess what? The only thing that matters is 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins.

    "There is no * next to Utah's success in 04' and 08' like there is to BYU's 84' season."

    Sorry, you're wrong. I went to the NCAA web site and looked at the list of national champions recognized by the NCAA. It's a table listing the year, the champion, and the selecting organization. Guess what I found?

    In 1984 Brigham Young is listed as the champion by the same five organizations that selected the national champions from 1982-95. There's no asterisk for 1984, nor is there an asterisk by any other school in the list from 1869 to 2012. That includes the BCS years from 1998 to the present.

    You see, the NCAA recognizes the champion each year, and in 1984 that champion was BYU whether you like it or not. There is not even a mention of Utah in 2004 and 2008, much less an asterisk. The NCAA doesn't care about winners of other BCS bowls. I guess two BCS bowl wins aren't the only things that matter after all.

  • Zoni Tucson, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Forgive me for interupting the vitriol and for getting back to the bssis of the article. Congratulations guys, particularly Josh whom we know.

    Hi Snell This is Jones

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "Kind of hard to demonstrate superiority when the scoreboard says otherwise."

    Unfortunately for U, scoreboard only demonstrates superiority for ONE GAME, NOT for an ENTIRE SEASON.

    Want Proof:

    2012 Texas A&M beats Alabama 29-24, Alabama(13-1) finishes #1; Tex A&M(11-2) finishes #5
    2012 Stanford beats Oregon 14-17, Oregon(12-1) finishes #2; Stanford(11-2) finishes #7

    Final Ranking is the Final Word

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    "There is no * next to Utah's success in 04' and 08' like there is to BYU's 84' season."

    Sorry to burst your little BYU-hating bubble, but there is no * next to BYU's 1984 National Championship.

    Show me another team that won 24 straight games, including two Top 15 teams on the road, and finished in the Top 7 back-to-back that didn't win a National Championship.

    Show me the criteria that you have to play in a certain bowl in order to win a National Championship.

    TWO Top 25 teams turned down invitations to play #1-ranked BYU for the National Championship. If you want to blame someone for BYU only playing Michigan in the Holiday, blame Washington and Nebraska.

    btw, which team, in your cluelessly biased opinion deserved to win the 1984 National Championship MORE than BYU?

    BYU 1984 finished #1/#1 in the AP and Coaches Poll

    Utah 2008 finished #4 in the official BCS poll, the Coaches Poll.

    Sorry, the proof is in the final rankings and in the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy sitting in BYU's trophy case...

    Utah 2008 didn't even come close to accomplishing what BYU 1984 accomplished.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    "Was this the same prediction every BYU fan made back in 92 as well?"

    I doubt you could find a single BYU fan who made any predictions about Utah's future back in 92. The Utes hadn't even been to a bowl game (except for playing BYU) in 28 years.

    One prediction that has definitely come true: the Utes wouldn't be competitive in the PAC 10.2 - so far, that's not even debatable.

    As much as our little friends on the hill would like to believe otherwise, winning a BCS game doesn't even come close to winning a national championship.

    btw, since 1992

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 8
    Utah 5

    Conference Championships
    BYU 8
    Utah 5

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 8
    Utah 6

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 2
    Utah 0

    Utah's heyday came and went and the only thing you have to show for it is a 2nd place finish in one poll. It's been all down hill since.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU and these new recruits. Best of luck and health to you in scholastic and athletic paths.

    U of U fans seeking to troll and spew garbage...be happy for these kids...or go elsewhere. There should be no debate, these kids chose the school that they felt was best for them and their circumstances.

    Go UTES!!

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Howard S,
    Remind me which bowl Utah went to last year? Enjoy your bitterness much?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    965
    Sandy, UT

    True, but there's no NC or crystal football anywhere on the hill.

    Seriously, the only thing that matters is the next game. In the absence of that, the last game is the only one that matters. Ours was a bowl game. We won.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Cougfan

    "Utah will not play in one of the new playoff bowls or Rose Bowl before BYU. (There is no more BCS.)"

    What an empty prediction. Was this the same prediction every byU fan made back in 92 as well? Look how well that went for you. Utah-- 2 BCS wins and byU-- a great big DNP.

    The "quest" is alive and kicking.

  • 965 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    If you judge by Star system, Utah totally blows BYU out of the water.

    Personally I don't judge by this system, but one I could stand by is how many more players we have on active rosters in the NFL than you do.

    Here's a hint. We have double the players in the NFL than you do. Not to mention. Utah is 3rd in players in the superbowl this year. (4)

    Only behind Miami's ridiculous prospects, and I think Oregon.

    Also, it's quite funny how every time you BYU fans judge the coaches stats, big surprise you choose stats that give Bronco the advantage.

    Guess what? The only thing that matters is 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins.

    There is no * next to Utah's success in 04' and 08' like there is to BYU's 84' season.

  • Derek_ Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Anyone who believes the star system is solid is a joke.

    Why do you think even powerhouse teams go after 2 and 3 star recruits, some of the best players to play college and go into the NFL weren't highly recruited coming out of High school.

    It's all about coaching and how determined the player is. Lotulelei could be nothing close to his brother, time will tell.

    I'm already counting days til next season.

    GO Utes!

    Oh yeah, FYI. Alex Smith, Brian Johnson, and Paul Kruger were all 2 stars. It doesn't mean a whole lot.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - "can't imagine signing for a school that will never, and has no chance of, playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a school for everyone."

    As chris b would say, mark it down - Utah will not play in one of the new playoff bowls or Rose Bowl before BYU. (There is no more BCS.)

    Oh, well, for athletes who don't mind being at a school who finished second to last in football, is 2nd to last in basketball, and finished last in baseball - there's a school for everyone.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    As the extended family, all die-hard BYU football fans, gathered together for New Year's Eve, we had an extended discussion: would you trade BYU's season for Utah's season.

    Beat your (non)rival, again, and pretty pathetic otherwise, or lose to your (ex)rival, again, frustrating season that was pretty good but should have been so much better? Despite the humiliation of losing to U (again...), universal agreement was, better Y than U.

    Allowing for pre-existing bias, would U really rather beat that team down south and be so disappointing in every other way?

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    WOW - 10 posts on the same BYU recruiting article by a single jealous Utah troll.

    Obsessed much howie?

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Howard: I am guessing you actually do know how to read, but you clearly missed what I wrote. I said I thought your post was reasonable, not unreasonable, which is why I responded to it. Ultimately, you and others like you simply need to get a life. There are so many better things that you or anyone else can do with their time than trolling a rival's news items. That goes for BYU fans that do it on Utah stories as well. And I unabashedly guarantee that, believe it or not, you will be happier for learning to choose the positive rather than the negative.

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Chris B:

    Hows that inferiority complex workin for ya?

  • Y's Guy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Spokane Ute
    Spokane, WA
    can't imagine signing for a school that will never, and has no chance of, playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a school for everyone.

    I agree. I, too, don't know why kids sign with Utah.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Best wishes to Chasen. Hope you do as well as Riley Nelson.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    howie

    EVERY team BYU lost to, except Utah, was ranked last season, AND, BYU beat a ranked team that Utah was incapable of beating.

    Sorry, but Utah's lucky win over BYU doesn't prove much. U were still only the 3rd best team in the state last season. Better hope you can beat Weber State in 2013, or you'll drop to 4th best.

    I noticed that you completely dodged the discussion of the small difference between BYU and Utah recruits, versus the huge difference between Utah and USC recruits. Understandable for a Utah homer, since it's quite obvious that any argument about Utah's chances of ever being able to compete against USC would completely invalidate your feeble attempts in the BYU vs Utah argument.

    Two last second wins in the last three games doesn't even prove Utah superiority in the head-to-head match up, let alone for an entire season.

    Try beating a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record before your start with the minor accomplishment of winning the PAC 10.2 South.

  • Stgeorgebyu St. Georg, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Spokane-ute So why did Lotuleulei sign with the Utes?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    HowbouthisJAZZ

    Try beating Utah, Boise, and San Jose before you start with the NC talk.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Cougar Passion

    Unreasonable?

    Is it unreasonable to observe that stars matter when Cougar recruits have them... and when Cougar recruits don't have stars, they don't really matter.

    What would be reasonable is for Cougar fans to simply accept that sometimes their recruits are just mediocre.

  • HowbouthisJAZZ Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    Y'all make me laugh! Lets look at the facts shall we? Isn't it common knowledge that an 8 win season would be considered a good season by both the Utes and the Aggies? Yet, for BYU, less than 10 wins is thought of as a losing season, right? Unfortunately for the Aggies, Andersen is gone so 10 win seasons are all but over in Logan. As for the Utes, they may have gotten a bit too greedy! Consequently, winning seasons at rice Eccles will be no more. 4-7 and 5-8 are in up on the hill, it's back to the mediocrity that has been Utah football for decades. Lastly, there is the Cougs. 3 year of independence will be stellar. Back to 10+ wins and more national spotlight. Byu has as much, if not more of a chance to win another NC than the Utes and Aggies. We all know it, I'm just saying it.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    Howard S.: Forgive me for trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. I thought your post was reasonable, and worth responding to. I see from your response to me and several others afterward that you're at about the same level as Chris B.; a troll who is not worthy of my or any other BYU fan's time.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    How do you explain 3-8 in the last 11... or 0-3 in the last 3.

    Kind of hard to demonstrate superiority when the scoreboard says otherwise.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    As usual, our jealous little friends from the hill are busy trying to convince themselves of Utah's superiority. Sorry to burst your delusional bubbles, but

    2011 BYU(10-3) ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
    2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl

    Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Losses to conference bottom dwellers - New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming, 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 6

    Even with their head-to-head wins and perfect storm season of 2008, the Utes still can't keep up with the Cougars.

    Regardless of how you slice it to help you sleep at night,

    RANKED > unranked
    BOWL WINNER > no bowl

    Time to just accept reality that Utah football has been in steady decline since 2008 and the could sink even lower in 2013.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Ufan

    "Call us when Utah finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record. 13-12 in your first two years in the conference!"

    Or perhaps the Cougs could call when they improve on their 4-6 record against BCS teams in the last two years.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    Ufan

    "Call us when Utah finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record. 13-12 in your first two years in the conference!"

    Right... and perhaps the Cougs will call when they improve on that 0-2 record over Utah in the last two years.

    lol

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    howie

    ahhh, the glory of being unranked and playing in the couch potato bowl...

    Earned by virtue of LOSSES to teams like Colorado and Utah State...every young man's fantasy.

    Call us when Utah finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record. 13-12 in your first two years in the conference!

    LOL!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    Swoop

    Ahh... the glory of the Poinsettia Bowl...

    Earned by virtue of hard fought victories over New Mexico St. and every school in Idaho not named Boise... Every young mans fantasy.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    Can't imagine a player ever wanting to sign with a school that has never, and will never, win a national championship, a Heisman Trophy, a national individual award of any kind, or have a single player inducted into the national college football hall of fame.

    Of course, if playing for a perennial conference dweller that can guarantee you'll be home for the holidays is your cup of tea, there's always a school on the hill that plays their bowl game in September.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    "the difference between BYU and Utah is minuscule"

    If BYU had an 8-3 record in the last 11 games you would be claiming domination... not equality.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    This is great. One aggie bolts out of USU to coach a potential National Title team. And his son, a potential aggie bolts to play for a better school. After his dad was smart enough to leave I might add.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    can't imagine signing for a school that will never, and has no chance of, playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a school for everyone.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    To our jealous Utah friends:

    Chasen was offered preferred walkon status by his dad at Wisconsin, which basically means, he had a scholarship waiting as soon as one became available.

    btw, if having the most stars is the only criteria for winning, the Utes might as well pack it in now because the Utes will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, out recruit USC. The Trojan sign more 4- and 5-star recruits in a single recruiting class, than the Utes sign in a decade.

    Case in point: in a restricted recruiting class for 2013, the Trojans have 14 commits - every single one of them is a 4-star recruit. Of Utah's 28 commits, 2 are 4-star recruits. Of BYU's 27 commits, 1 is a 4-star recruit.

    Bottom line: the difference between BYU and Utah is minuscule, compared to the chasm that separates USC and Utah.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    Cougar Passion

    "Carter specifically is the type of player I have seen in the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star."

    You mean like the last BYU player that had previously committed to Utah State?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    Best players in state and nation

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    Howard S.: I'm somewhere between you and COUGARNATE. The schools that sign the most 5-star recruits perennially do the best, so clearly there is something to that. However, I have noted two things over the years with regard to the rating system and BYU. The first is that highly-rated athletes usually feel they are entitled to something, and that hasn't ever really been BYU's style, even long before Bronco came around. The second is that BYU frankly does seem to find those who are either walk-ons or at least nothing to write home about with their ratings, and end up seeing them become pro-level talent. I know little about either player, but Carter specifically is the type of player I have seen in the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    COUGARNATE

    Another angle?

    Okay, if stars don't count to the Cougar Nation why did it explode with excitement over the signing of one Mr (five star) Jake Heaps?

    And now that the Cougars don't sign five stars why do they expect that their two stars will turn out to be Dennis Pitta or Chad Lewis?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Only "star" to commit this weekend was Star lotuleuleis brother. He committed to Utah, over byu, usu, and many bcs schools.

    How many of these byu kids picked byu over Utah offers?

    Zero?

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    @ Howard S. Dennis Pitta and Chad Lewis didn't have any stars and started out as walk-on's, How did they do at the Y (and NFL)? Stars do not mean anything. So try another angle. Very surprised about landing Anderson, but rumor is Bronco and Gary are friends maybe that had something to do with it that and he obviously couldn't go to USU, for obvious reasons.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    I am so pumped for Josh. He is a GREAT young man, and enormous.

    I absolutely wish he was going to be a Ute, but I'm very happy for him.

    Congratulations Josh.

    This is Snell

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    Is there really anyone left (who has followed the Aggies for the past year or longer)that thought Chasen would keep his commitment to become an Aggie? Just another slap in the face of Aggie fans, but par for the course.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    Can't find a star anywhere for Carter and Andersen is a two star.

    Big whoop.

  • Rodgers Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    Now the Andersen betrayal is complete.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    OK I have a question. If he was good enough for his dad at USU how come not at Wisconsin? OK some will say Wisconsin is a better school but I do not buy that totlally. Glad he wants to come to BYU but makes me wonder a bit. Hope he makes his dad wish he had taken him to Wisconsin.

    Just thinking out loud.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 20, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Don't know much about either commit, but hopefully they will make an impact. Welcome to Cougar Nation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    This should lead to some interesting conversations and loyaties in the Anderson home now that they have ties to all 3 major universities in this state. Ought to be really fun next year when BYU and Wisconsin play each other, Mom's gonna have to figure out what to wear and where to sit.