Sorry to break it to you Phoenix, but the better team won on the field, not bt
popular vote. Utah played a tougher schedule, that's the only reason BYU
had a better record . Nice try though, and a great spin job as usual
Guess he's going to have to cut his hair, eh?
Spokane Ute"So the better team is the one who loses, on the
field, to their opponent?"The better team, quite obviously, is
the team that has the better overall season.Winning 1/12th of the
season doesn't prove you're the better team.BYU(8-5) bowl
winner, #26 in Sagarin > Utah(5-7) bowl no show, #61 in Sagarin
@UtenonmousSo the better team is the one who loses, on the field, to
their opponent? Would you be interested in buying some ocean front property,
here in Spokane?
@stgYou've still failed to post even one "despicable"
comment. Next tiome perhaps you'll rethink your phrasing and save yourself
"Star was a great player, but even he wasn't good enough to help the
Utes beat USC, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, ASU, OSU, and lowly Utah State, and
most of those PAC 10.2 schools had BETTER recruiting classes than Utah. And lets
not forget that Utah, with all those stars, BARELY beat BYU at home last season.
Throw in Oregon and Stanford next season and the Utes could easily be looking at
a 3-9 season."SportsAuthority, I was actually talking about the
stars as in rankings of recruits, not Loutulelei who is an excellent player as
you pointed out.Regarding the "all those stars" comment, BYU
and Utah's classes have been comparable for the last ten years or so. This
is all the more reason why I'm confused when Chris B goes off about
"BCS" this and that. The Texas' and USC's get the big time
players, the rest fight over one occasionally. The same is really true for both
BYU and Utah.
Naval VetMore spin from the spinmeister?The truth is,
the overwhelming impression left on fans who watched the game was U barely hung
on by your fingernails at the end and Utah fans were so ecstatic about beating
BYU that they rushed the field THREE times, nearly costing the Utes the game.NOBODY outside of Utedom gives any credence to Utah's supposed
"domination" of BYU or of being the best or even 2nd best team in the
state.The overall results of the season conclusively reject your
hypothesis that Utah was the better team in 2012.
StGtoSLCLooks like you're trying to make a mountain out of
molehill; it's doubtful the Anderson family would even bat an eye at any of
the quotes you dug up.Being a head coach of a major college football
team elicits constant scrutiny and critique from fans.The
Anderson's were probably much more impressed with the positive comments
they read from BYU fans.
TheSportsAuthority:"...lets not forget that Utah, with all those
stars, BARELY beat BYU at home last season."Let's ALSO not
forget that Utah played that game without their starters at QB, RB, SS, and FS,
and STILL held a 17-pt 4th-qtr lead. Perhaps BJ and Sitake won't let up
late in the game come this Fall. You guys were LUCKY to just to get within
range for a 51-yd FG to end the game (not to mention lucky to benefit from a
ticky-tac foul at the end of the game due to Utah's fans on the [opposite
side] of the field, sans offsetting penalty due to YOUR coaches -- who on the
field as well, and closer to the live-ball action).
I posted them the first time when, for whatever reason, the mods didn't
pass it. I took me ten minutes to find those, you could find them just as easily
but of course it doesn't suit your purpose.Screen names: Thomas
Jefferson, toosmartforyou, DaveKnowsWhatsUP, 3grandslams, Meckofahess, and
RockOn. Pretty sure I've seen all of them as admitted BYU fans.And also Duckhunter: "One is that this does show a lack of
integrity."So, BlueCoug, just as I said, your perception of
"despicable" is up to you to decide, but the definition of it is
"deserving to be despised; contemptible," and I know I would despise
those labels on me or anyone else I respected. Again, if you didn't
personally say those things, I don't hold you accountable. This is why I
find it hilarious every time someone tries to pin something someone else said on
me as what I believe just because we root for the same team.
WON84Star was a great player, but even he wasn't good enough to
help the Utes beat USC, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, ASU, OSU, and lowly Utah
State, and most of those PAC 10.2 schools had BETTER recruiting classes than
Utah. And lets not forget that Utah, with all those stars, BARELY beat BYU at
home last season. Throw in Oregon and Stanford next season and the Utes could
easily be looking at a 3-9 season.
@stgNice try but another failure by you. For one all you could do
was attempt to attack me with out of context statements, then when you post some
quotes you don't even give us any screen names for them. My guess is most
of them are from aggie fans mad about anderson leaving and at that none of them
said anything "despicable".So once again you made an
unfounded accusation, are incapable of backing it up, but are "frantically
and emotionally" trying to do so and failing miserably.LOL!
"Only "star" to commit this weekend was Star lotuleuleis brother. He
committed to Utah, over byu, usu, and many bcs schools. How many of
these byu kids picked byu over Utah offers?Zero?"Chris B - I would actually venture to say 75% of the recruits who end up at
BYU held offers from Utah and that the same is true vice versa. Regarding your comment about BCS schools, keep in mind that schools like
Washington St., UConn, Indiana, Duke, Wake Forest, and Kansas are "BCS
schools." The only thing that really means is schools are fortunate enough
to leach off TV revenue provided by schools like UCLA, USC, Texas, Michigan,
etc. The fat will eventually be trimmed so enjoy it while it lasts.
Comments from BYU fans about Gary Anderson's move to Wisconsin:Rockwell"GA deserves a promotion to a big time program after
building a Top 25 team from nothing and helping build another winner from the
ashes left behind by Urban.""It was BECAUSE of Anderson that
Utah achieved the success they did in 2008; he would have been even more
successful at a higher profile school. Now he'll get his chance."BlueCoug"Good luck to Gary at Wisconsin. Except for a
certain game in November next year, I hope you have a great first
season."BYUalum"It's about the opportunity
to take care of him and his family. I'm sure it would have to be a
significant amount of money for him to leave. In this economy wouldn't you
jump at the chance? Be realistic!"Cougar Passion"Aggie fans will never believe another coach. It truly is sad. But, I
agree with other posters--I can't blame him, but he needed to back off the
"I'm happy here" assertions if there was ANY possibility for him to
go anywhere else."
StGtoSLCNothing you posted even remotely approaches "very
despicable," but it's interesting that you didn't even bother
attaching a screen name to each quote.As far as I'm concerned,
I find no fault at all in coaches changing schools when better opportunities
become available. I suspect that nearly every one of those criticizing Coach
Anderson for leaving Utah State would leave their current employer in a
heartbeat if another employer offered to quadruple their salary for doing the
same type of work as they were doing for their current employer.Regardless, I'm sure that Chasen and his family understand the difference
between typical fan smack, valid criticism, and "very despicable"
So, Truth Machine, whether you consider that despicable or not is up to you, but
I know that I would certainly despise such comments if they were to be spoken by
complete strangers about my father. And I trust you that the vast majority of
Cougar fans are more respectful than that, but what I said I was eager to hear
about were the ones with those responses, because that doesn't sound like
tons of respect.
StGtoSLCYou were challenged to defend the following statement by
producing just one "very despicable thing" said about Gary Anderson by
any BYU fan:"I am interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel
toward the Andersen family now, after so many of them saying very despicable
things about Gary."And, after being called on the carpet for
falsely accusing BYU fans of some imaginary despicable thing, your only response
is to attack the blogger who called you on the carpet?One word:
FAIL!----------btw, the vast majority of BYU fans have
tons of respect for Gary Anderson and the great job he did in turning around the
faltering Aggie program, and we're thrilled to have his son, Chasen, join
the BYU football program.
First time posting this didn't take. Attempt 2:"Integrity!
The difference between Anderson every other coach and Bronco is
integrity.""And just think--he had superb training from
Opportunity Urban- "I love Utah and want to raise my family here."
Hogwash!!""Selling others out? Lack of integrity? I guess I
wouldn't have really expected anything different from someone who has roots
at the U.""Andersen just threw the Aggies under the
bus.""Wow, talk about an example of no integrity... Sorry, I
don't buy it. Can't say I'm happy for the Coach.""Would we all do the same for 3 times more money? Depends on our standards
and definitions of character. Selling out is such an easy thing to do when the
price is right, so easy to rationalize."
"If he does post it will be some indignant and self righteous proclomation
about having read all of these "despicable things" but he'll still
not supply us with any evidence of any of them. Typical."Just as
your "indignant, self-righteous proclomation (sic)" that if you
don't celebrate everything BYU, sports included, you're a pathetic
member of the Church? Yeah, that glows of tolerance and Christlike love. Then
having the audacity to slander one's education program without knowing
anything about it, and after having the details explained in full running off
tail between legs without a response. I would never say "typical BYU
fan" about that, because I have way more respect for many of my friends, the
typical BYU fan, than that. Just typical you.
I have to laugh when an obviously BYU-obsessed hater pretends that he cares more
about the U when he hardly ever comments on Utah articles except to slam BYU,
midwacmajor:"Filipo Mokofisi is a 2-star OLB recruit"Rivals rates Mokofisi as a 3-star OLB recruit with a 5.5-grade.Duckhunter:"Nor do they have any good LB's. That has
never been a position they are particularly adept at recruiting or
developing...BYU on the otherhand is always very strong at LB and does a great
job of developing LB's."Interesting, since the Utes had put
3 LBs into the NFL over the last 4-yrs, whereas our little brother had placed
only 1. U little brother:"Two articles about Utah
recruits with not a single comment from you; one article about BYU recruits and
already three comments from you, with undoubtedly many more to follow...Obsessed
much?"I have to laugh when some Y fan scours the comment
sections across all pages in order to take the time to count each Ute fan's
number of posts, and then insist that it is WE who are obsessed much. Typical
Hey Jones,How's life in Tucson?Have you talked with
Come on utahcountyute, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a former
Utah and current Utah State coach isn't going to be singing BYU's
praises very often, if ever.Hard evidence isn't required when
circumstances are self evident. Of course, if you have "evidence" to the
contrary, we'd love to see it.Clearly, you only require
"evidence" when the narative doesn't fit your agenda.
I just feel an overwhelming appreciation for each one of you. I feel so
"alive" after reading these comments. Go Utes, go Cougs, go grandma!
@swoop"when it's a given that BYU was hardly ever discussed
in a positive light in the Anderson home."When was the last time
you sat in the Anderson home? Exactly. Clearly, "evidence"
is not high on yours and Ducky's priority list either when it comes to
spewing such statements. Spare us.
Howard S.: Did you mean the difference was "mini-school"? And, do you
agree with me that there are just so many hateful comments here? Good
"gravy", why can't we just be happy with each other's
successes and our own? It is so painful to read some of these posts. Oh yes,
call me masochistic. May the "blue"bird of happiness pay a visit to
each of those who get so worked up over these issues.
Naval VetTwo articles about Utah recruits with not a single comment
from you; one article about BYU recruits and already three comments from you,
with undoubtedly many more to follow.Obsessed much? Or
simply further proof that you're really just a BYU-hater.---------Duckhunter"BYU on the otherhand is always
very strong at LB and does a great job of developing LB's. If they think
the Anderson kid has potential then I would go with their assessment over
Utah's any day of the week. They have the track record of turning them out,
Utah....not so much."Couldn't agree more. It's too bad
our Philly friend is so blinded by his BYU-hatred, that he can't see
reality.One of the stars of the college football bowl season was a
BYU LB. Of course, Utah was a no-show for the bowl, so it's no wonder
Chasen never considered the Utes.
@naval"The Utes don't have any 2-star LB recruits."Nor do they have any good LB's. That has never been a position they
are particularly adept at recruiting or developing. Frankly they are very weak
at that position and it doesn't appear they've done much to help
themselves out at that position this year either. Interesting considering
whittingham was a lb, and a pretty good one. BYU on the otherhand is
always very strong at LB and does a great job of developing LB's. If they
think the Anderson kid has potential then I would go with their assessment over
utah's any day of the week. They have the track record of turning them out,
utah....not so much.
navel vet"The Utes don't have any 2-star LB
recruits."Filipo Mokofisi is a 2-star OLB recruit.btw, Chasen led all Utah Class 4A linebackers in tackles as a junior, but
suffered a season-ending knee injury on the first play of his senior year, which
obviously affected his "star" rating. Utah's short-sightedness, is
BYU's gain.Can't wait to see him blind-siding future Utah
Naval VetChasen was offered "preferred walk-on status" at
Wisconsin, which as you know (or at least you should know, since you pretend to
be such a recruiting "expert"), a preferred walk-on is a player who is
promised a roster spot, and reports with the scholarship players for fall camp a
few weeks before classes start; he is not on scholarship, but he can earn a
scholarship as soon as one becomes available.Kyle choosing not to
recruit Chasen simply shows that Chasen never even considered the Utes, even
though his father, at one time, had very close ties to the Utes.
Ufan: Well, gosh darn there. Why be so negative? Can't we all just get
Duckhunter:"His family has now chosen to align itself with BYU,
and this from a utah 'legacy' like Chasen."Just
because Chasen is a Utah legacy, that doesn't mean he'll automatically
be awarded a scholarship. If Chasen wanted to attend the U, he'd have to
do so as a walk-on, since the Utes never offered him. His only choices were USU
and the Y. If you think you have something to gloat over, take it up with the
Aggies. The Utes don't have any 2-star LB recruits.
StGtoSLCNice spin, but BYU had marched from their own 30 to
Utah's 20, and had Utah's defense on their heels, with the momentum
clearly in BYU's favor, when BYU's botched snap, and Utah's scoop
and score, gave Utah an unearned touchdown and some much needed momentum.-------Now, when are you going to come clean on your
"despicable Anderson bashing" claim and either admit that you simply
made that up, or give us some proof to support your false claim?
Swoop:"It's interesting that Chasen chose BYU over Utah
State, Utah and Wisconsin..."Chasen wasn't offered
scholarships at either Utah or Wisconsin. He only received offers from USU and
the Y. And since neither this article, Scout, nor Rivals have Chasen with
offers from the Utes and Badgers, I don't know where you got him turning
either school down.
@stgI also wonder how the Anderson family feels reading all of the
despicable thing utah "fans" have said, and continue to say, about BYU,
its players, its recruits like Chasen, and its coaches? Especially now that
their son has chosen to affiliate himself with this great university and in
light of how excited Gary was for Chasen when he accepted his scholarship.It would seem that Gary's divorce from utah is now complete
wouldn't it? He now has a job far superior to the utah coaching job so utah
"fans" claiming he was the "next coach in waiting" can give that
fantasy up. His family has now chosen to align itself with BYU, and this from a
utah "legacy" like Chasen. Perhaps they simply got tired of
the utah "fans" after having experienced them first hand while at USU. I
have no doubt that gave them a perspective they hadn't previously gotten
while Anderson was at utah.
Marked it Down, you tell me I should at least know of what I speak, and then you
just reword my entire statement to make it more BYU-friendly. Yes, they may have
been threatening to score, as you say, but having missed each and every one of
their field goals in the game, and having very little offensive efficiency to
that point wouldn't inspire much confidence in me that they actually would
score, nor did it threaten my confidence that Utah would stop them and maintain
their lead as I was watching it.And that second bit is exactly what
I was talking about as well, why are the trolling Utah fans so insecure about
something that doesn't affect Utah whatsoever, and then in response, more
than a few BYU fans showing plenty of insecurity?
StGtoSLC"I am interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel toward
the Andersen family now, after so many of them saying very despicable things
about Gary."I'm interested to see how many examples you can
produce to back up your false claim.
@SwoopYou are correct about some of these utah "fans" of
course. Personally I doubt stg will post again on this article and he certainly
won't be able to supply us with even one shred of evidence to back up his
false claim of BYU fans "saying very despicable things about Gary." If
he does post it will be some indignant and self righteous proclomation about
having read all of these "despicable things" but he'll still not
supply us with any evidence of any of them. Typical.
BYUtah Fan"But, if BYU had played the same schedule that Utah
had played, they likely would have stayed home as well."You have
absolutely no proof that would have been the case.It was a mediocre
year for both teams, but I'll take a mediocre year of winning a bowl,
beating a Top 25 team, and almost beating #3-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend,
over a losing, bowl-less season, anyday. BYU finished #26 in
Sagarin; Utah finished #61.
Wow, talk about fighting over nothing. Utah's season was very mediocre and
they didn't go to bowl game for the first time in many years. But, if BYU
had played the same schedule that Utah had played, they likely would have stayed
home as well. Neither team (with the exception of BYU's defense) has much
to crow about. It is time to look at our own teams and figure out how to make
them nationally relevant again. The rivalry may be fun, but get serious. The
trash talk is just stupid.
What teams do against each other on the field proves nothing. It's all
about who can beat the most teams from Idaho. Jealous much?
DuckhunterOur friends on the hill are fond of making up strawmen
when they have nothing else to whine about.It's interesting
that Chasen chose BYU over Utah State, Utah and Wisconsin, especially when
it's a given that BYU was hardly ever discussed in a positive light in the
Anderson home.It just shows how effective BYU was in recruiting
@stgPlease give us one example of "so many of them saying very
despicable things about Gary.""Despicable" is a pretty
strong word, please supply evidence of your false claim.
StGtoSLCIf you're going to correct someone, you should at least
know of what you speak.Utah was clinging to a 10-7 lead and BYU had
the ball 1st and 15 at Utah's 25-yard line threatening to tie the game or
take the lead when the bad snap scoop and score gave Utah a gift touchdown and a
17-7 lead.Even so, Utah barely hung to win 24-21 after Riley
Stephenson's 36 FG try bounced off the upright.-------------"I don't see what the issue about the BYU-Utah thing is
here."The issue is the jealousy that practically oozes from the
hill every time another recruit commits to BYU. It's like the kids on the
hill have to convince themselves that every BYU commit is a player whom Utah
would have absolutely no interest in signing.Ironically, their
jealous obsession proves just the opposite.
killarney, a bad snap didn't lead to a go-ahead scoop and score. Utah was
already up 10-7, and went on to take a 17-point lead shortly thereafter.
Ironically, a bad snap from Utah later contributed to BYU tightening the score.
Was this "lucky" for BYU?I don't see what the issue
about the BYU-Utah thing is here. Neither of these recruits was anyone Utah was
pursuing, so there should be no hurt feelings on Utah's part. I am
interested in seeing how BYU fans will feel toward the Andersen family now,
after so many of them saying very despicable things about Gary. My prediction:
if he's good, it's all because of BYU; if not, it's Utah's
fault.Congratulations to both of these guys for completing their
college search, and good luck to them in their athletic careers.
It's funny so many comment from Utah fans. Someone who is not jealous would
never say anything because they don't care. Only those who have some
inferiority complex would say anything at all. I've never commented on a
Utah article or about any of there recruits because I DON'T CARE about Utah
football or anything they have! It's unusual you have fans of a team that
talks so much crap yet finished with a losing record.
Naval Vet"So Utah losing IN OVERTIME means we're
"incapable" of beating the Aggies, but a failure to kick a 51-yd FG IN
REGULATION just to TIE the game means Utah was "lucky"?"Nope,Losing in OT doesn't mean the Utes were incapable of
beating Utah if they'd played again, just that they were incapable of
beating the Utes on the particular occasion. And yes.The
Utes were lucky that a bad snap lead to Utah's go ahead scoop and score.
Utah didn't do anything to make that play happen other than pick up a lose
ball and run it into the end zone.Don't forget who's
finished with the better record and higher ranking during most of the
Bronco/Kyle era.As far as the WAC is concerned, a team that's
lost their final two games against WAC opponents, and only won TWO championships
in 38 years in the conference with an overall losing 200-208 record, is in no
position to be talking down about a conference in which the Utes spent most of
their time as a bottom dweller.
I hate it when BYU trolls (lil Ducky) go over to Utah stories just to spread
hate. I am equally embarrassed by Utah trolls coming over to BYU stories. Good luck Chasen. If you have even half the football mind your father
has, you will do fine for yourself, regardless of the stars or lack thereof.
I'm intrigued by both of these kids. The Anderson kid was a stud his jr
year and then missed almost his entire sr year with a knee injury. He appears to
be a little bit undersized although middle lb's are sometimes a bit shorter
than the outside guys. I'll be excited to see what he can do.The lineman, Carter, from what I hear is a mountain of a kid with room to
still beef up. I talked to a coach at BYU and he said this kid was really under
the radar but shouldn't have been, they're very excited about him. Of
course they always say they are excited about all of them so we'll see but
he sounded pretty genuine about it. Does anyone know if either will
participate in spring or are both not going to be on campus until summer? Other
than the Greene kid from Washington are any of the others that sign going to be
here for spring?
Rockwell:"BYU beat a ranked team that Utah was incapable of
beating...Sorry, but Utah's lucky win over BYU doesn't prove much. U
were still only the 3rd best team in the state last season."So
Utah losing IN OVERTIME means we're "incapable" of beating the
Aggies, but a failure to kick a 51-yd FG IN REGULATION just to TIE the game
means Utah was "lucky"?Typical cougar franti and emotional
spin.Don't forget who had won 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11
in the series. And in only ONE of your wins was the winning play not the last
play of the game. THAT's called luck. Utah beating our Indy-WACey little
brother isn't "luck". It's really more par for the course.
Howard: You said,"Carter specifically is the type of player I have seen in
the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star." You mean
like the last BYU player that had previously committed to Utah State?Your argument is flawed. First off the facts are incorrect. Carter did not
commit to the Aggies and second Riley Nelson (I assume that is who you are
referencing) not only committed he played for USU. Very different situation
from Chasen. Recruits change their minds all the time, after all their kids.
Unlike assistant coaches whose names rhyme with May Bod they are shown a little
At 1:00 p.m. 965 wrote the following: "Guess what? The only thing that
matters is 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins."There is no
* next to Utah's success in 04' and 08' like there is to
BYU's 84' season."Sorry, you're wrong. I went to
the NCAA web site and looked at the list of national champions recognized by the
NCAA. It's a table listing the year, the champion, and the selecting
organization. Guess what I found?In 1984 Brigham Young is listed as
the champion by the same five organizations that selected the national champions
from 1982-95. There's no asterisk for 1984, nor is there an asterisk by
any other school in the list from 1869 to 2012. That includes the BCS years
from 1998 to the present.You see, the NCAA recognizes the champion
each year, and in 1984 that champion was BYU whether you like it or not. There
is not even a mention of Utah in 2004 and 2008, much less an asterisk. The NCAA
doesn't care about winners of other BCS bowls. I guess two BCS bowl wins
aren't the only things that matter after all.
Forgive me for interupting the vitriol and for getting back to the bssis of the
article. Congratulations guys, particularly Josh whom we know. Hi
Snell This is Jones
Howard S."Kind of hard to demonstrate superiority when the
scoreboard says otherwise."Unfortunately for U, scoreboard only
demonstrates superiority for ONE GAME, NOT for an ENTIRE SEASON.Want
Proof:2012 Texas A&M beats Alabama 29-24, Alabama(13-1) finishes
#1; Tex A&M(11-2) finishes #52012 Stanford beats Oregon 14-17,
Oregon(12-1) finishes #2; Stanford(11-2) finishes #7Final Ranking is
the Final Word
"There is no * next to Utah's success in 04' and 08' like
there is to BYU's 84' season."Sorry to burst your
little BYU-hating bubble, but there is no * next to BYU's 1984 National
Championship.Show me another team that won 24 straight games,
including two Top 15 teams on the road, and finished in the Top 7 back-to-back
that didn't win a National Championship.Show me the criteria
that you have to play in a certain bowl in order to win a National
Championship.TWO Top 25 teams turned down invitations to play
#1-ranked BYU for the National Championship. If you want to blame someone for
BYU only playing Michigan in the Holiday, blame Washington and Nebraska.btw, which team, in your cluelessly biased opinion deserved to win the
1984 National Championship MORE than BYU?BYU 1984 finished #1/#1 in
the AP and Coaches PollUtah 2008 finished #4 in the official BCS
poll, the Coaches Poll.Sorry, the proof is in the final rankings and
in the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy sitting in BYU's
trophy case...Utah 2008 didn't even come close to accomplishing
what BYU 1984 accomplished.
utahcountyute"Was this the same prediction every BYU fan made
back in 92 as well?"I doubt you could find a single BYU fan who
made any predictions about Utah's future back in 92. The Utes hadn't
even been to a bowl game (except for playing BYU) in 28 years.One
prediction that has definitely come true: the Utes wouldn't be competitive
in the PAC 10.2 - so far, that's not even debatable.As much as
our little friends on the hill would like to believe otherwise, winning a BCS
game doesn't even come close to winning a national championship.btw, since 1992Top 25 FinishesBYU 8Utah 5Conference ChampionshipsBYU 8Utah 510+ Win SeasonsBYU 8Utah 6National Individual Award WinnersBYU 2Utah 0Utah's heyday came and went and the only thing you have
to show for it is a 2nd place finish in one poll. It's been all down hill
Congrats to BYU and these new recruits. Best of luck and health to you in
scholastic and athletic paths.U of U fans seeking to troll and spew
garbage...be happy for these kids...or go elsewhere. There should be no debate,
these kids chose the school that they felt was best for them and their
circumstances. Go UTES!!
Howard S,Remind me which bowl Utah went to last year? Enjoy your
965Sandy, UTTrue, but there's no NC or crystal football
anywhere on the hill.Seriously, the only thing that matters is the
next game. In the absence of that, the last game is the only one that matters.
Ours was a bowl game. We won.
Cougfan"Utah will not play in one of the new playoff bowls or
Rose Bowl before BYU. (There is no more BCS.)"What an empty
prediction. Was this the same prediction every byU fan made back in 92 as well?
Look how well that went for you. Utah-- 2 BCS wins and byU-- a great big DNP.
The "quest" is alive and kicking.
@RockwellIf you judge by Star system, Utah totally blows BYU out of
the water.Personally I don't judge by this system, but one I
could stand by is how many more players we have on active rosters in the NFL
than you do.Here's a hint. We have double the players in the
NFL than you do. Not to mention. Utah is 3rd in players in the superbowl this
year. (4) Only behind Miami's ridiculous prospects, and I think
Oregon.Also, it's quite funny how every time you BYU fans judge
the coaches stats, big surprise you choose stats that give Bronco the
advantage.Guess what? The only thing that matters is 2 undefeated
seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins.There is no * next to Utah's
success in 04' and 08' like there is to BYU's 84' season.
Anyone who believes the star system is solid is a joke.Why do you
think even powerhouse teams go after 2 and 3 star recruits, some of the best
players to play college and go into the NFL weren't highly recruited coming
out of High school.It's all about coaching and how determined
the player is. Lotulelei could be nothing close to his brother, time will
tell.I'm already counting days til next season.GO
Utes!Oh yeah, FYI. Alex Smith, Brian Johnson, and Paul Kruger were
all 2 stars. It doesn't mean a whole lot.
@Spokane Ute - "can't imagine signing for a school that will never, and
has no chance of, playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a school for
everyone."As chris b would say, mark it down - Utah will not
play in one of the new playoff bowls or Rose Bowl before BYU. (There is no more
BCS.) Oh, well, for athletes who don't mind being at a school
who finished second to last in football, is 2nd to last in basketball, and
finished last in baseball - there's a school for everyone.
As the extended family, all die-hard BYU football fans, gathered together for
New Year's Eve, we had an extended discussion: would you trade BYU's
season for Utah's season.Beat your (non)rival, again, and
pretty pathetic otherwise, or lose to your (ex)rival, again, frustrating season
that was pretty good but should have been so much better? Despite the
humiliation of losing to U (again...), universal agreement was, better Y than
U.Allowing for pre-existing bias, would U really rather beat that
team down south and be so disappointing in every other way?
WOW - 10 posts on the same BYU recruiting article by a single jealous Utah
troll.Obsessed much howie?
Howard: I am guessing you actually do know how to read, but you clearly missed
what I wrote. I said I thought your post was reasonable, not unreasonable,
which is why I responded to it. Ultimately, you and others like you simply need
to get a life. There are so many better things that you or anyone else can do
with their time than trolling a rival's news items. That goes for BYU fans
that do it on Utah stories as well. And I unabashedly guarantee that, believe
it or not, you will be happier for learning to choose the positive rather than
Chris B:Hows that inferiority complex workin for ya?
Spokane UteSpokane, WAcan't imagine signing for a school that
will never, and has no chance of, playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a
school for everyone.I agree. I, too, don't know why kids sign
Best wishes to Chasen. Hope you do as well as Riley Nelson.
howieEVERY team BYU lost to, except Utah, was ranked last season,
AND, BYU beat a ranked team that Utah was incapable of beating.Sorry, but Utah's lucky win over BYU doesn't prove much. U were
still only the 3rd best team in the state last season. Better hope you can beat
Weber State in 2013, or you'll drop to 4th best.I noticed that
you completely dodged the discussion of the small difference between BYU and
Utah recruits, versus the huge difference between Utah and USC recruits.
Understandable for a Utah homer, since it's quite obvious that any argument
about Utah's chances of ever being able to compete against USC would
completely invalidate your feeble attempts in the BYU vs Utah argument.Two last second wins in the last three games doesn't even prove Utah
superiority in the head-to-head match up, let alone for an entire season.Try beating a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record before your start with
the minor accomplishment of winning the PAC 10.2 South.
Spokane-ute So why did Lotuleulei sign with the Utes?
HowbouthisJAZZTry beating Utah, Boise, and San Jose before you start
with the NC talk.
Cougar PassionUnreasonable?Is it unreasonable to observe
that stars matter when Cougar recruits have them... and when Cougar recruits
don't have stars, they don't really matter.What would be
reasonable is for Cougar fans to simply accept that sometimes their recruits are
Y'all make me laugh! Lets look at the facts shall we? Isn't it common
knowledge that an 8 win season would be considered a good season by both the
Utes and the Aggies? Yet, for BYU, less than 10 wins is thought of as a losing
season, right? Unfortunately for the Aggies, Andersen is gone so 10 win seasons
are all but over in Logan. As for the Utes, they may have gotten a bit too
greedy! Consequently, winning seasons at rice Eccles will be no more. 4-7 and
5-8 are in up on the hill, it's back to the mediocrity that has been Utah
football for decades. Lastly, there is the Cougs. 3 year of independence will
be stellar. Back to 10+ wins and more national spotlight. Byu has as much, if
not more of a chance to win another NC than the Utes and Aggies. We all know it,
I'm just saying it.
Howard S.: Forgive me for trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
I thought your post was reasonable, and worth responding to. I see from your
response to me and several others afterward that you're at about the same
level as Chris B.; a troll who is not worthy of my or any other BYU fan's
Snack PACHow do you explain 3-8 in the last 11... or 0-3 in the last
3.Kind of hard to demonstrate superiority when the scoreboard says
As usual, our jealous little friends from the hill are busy trying to convince
themselves of Utah's superiority. Sorry to burst your delusional bubbles,
but2011 BYU(10-3) ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked2012 BYU(8-5)
bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowlBronco/Kyle eraTop 25
FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Losses to conference bottom dwellers - New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming,
10-loss UNLV and 10-loss ColoradoBronco 0Kyle 6Even with
their head-to-head wins and perfect storm season of 2008, the Utes still
can't keep up with the Cougars.Regardless of how you slice it
to help you sleep at night,RANKED > unranked BOWL WINNER
> no bowlTime to just accept reality that Utah football has been
in steady decline since 2008 and the could sink even lower in 2013.
Ufan"Call us when Utah finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a
winning record. 13-12 in your first two years in the conference!" Or perhaps the Cougs could call when they improve on their 4-6 record against
BCS teams in the last two years.
Ufan"Call us when Utah finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a
winning record. 13-12 in your first two years in the conference!"Right... and perhaps the Cougs will call when they improve on that 0-2 record
over Utah in the last two years.lol
howieahhh, the glory of being unranked and playing in the couch
potato bowl...Earned by virtue of LOSSES to teams like Colorado and
Utah State...every young man's fantasy.Call us when Utah
finally beats a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record. 13-12 in your first two
years in the conference! LOL!
SwoopAhh... the glory of the Poinsettia Bowl... Earned
by virtue of hard fought victories over New Mexico St. and every school in Idaho
not named Boise... Every young mans fantasy.
Can't imagine a player ever wanting to sign with a school that has never,
and will never, win a national championship, a Heisman Trophy, a national
individual award of any kind, or have a single player inducted into the national
college football hall of fame.Of course, if playing for a perennial
conference dweller that can guarantee you'll be home for the holidays is
your cup of tea, there's always a school on the hill that plays their bowl
game in September.
TrueBlue"the difference between BYU and Utah is
minuscule"If BYU had an 8-3 record in the last 11 games you
would be claiming domination... not equality.
This is great. One aggie bolts out of USU to coach a potential National Title
team. And his son, a potential aggie bolts to play for a better school. After
his dad was smart enough to leave I might add.
can't imagine signing for a school that will never, and has no chance of,
playing in a BCS bowl. Oh well, there's a school for everyone.
To our jealous Utah friends:Chasen was offered preferred walkon
status by his dad at Wisconsin, which basically means, he had a scholarship
waiting as soon as one became available.btw, if having the most
stars is the only criteria for winning, the Utes might as well pack it in now
because the Utes will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, out recruit USC. The Trojan sign
more 4- and 5-star recruits in a single recruiting class, than the Utes sign in
a decade.Case in point: in a restricted recruiting class for 2013,
the Trojans have 14 commits - every single one of them is a 4-star recruit. Of
Utah's 28 commits, 2 are 4-star recruits. Of BYU's 27 commits, 1 is a
4-star recruit.Bottom line: the difference between BYU and Utah is
minuscule, compared to the chasm that separates USC and Utah.
Cougar Passion"Carter specifically is the type of player I have
seen in the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star."You mean like the last BYU player that had previously committed to Utah
Best players in state and nation
Howard S.: I'm somewhere between you and COUGARNATE. The schools that sign
the most 5-star recruits perennially do the best, so clearly there is something
to that. However, I have noted two things over the years with regard to the
rating system and BYU. The first is that highly-rated athletes usually feel
they are entitled to something, and that hasn't ever really been BYU's
style, even long before Bronco came around. The second is that BYU frankly does
seem to find those who are either walk-ons or at least nothing to write home
about with their ratings, and end up seeing them become pro-level talent. I
know little about either player, but Carter specifically is the type of player I
have seen in the past turn the rating system on its head and become a star.
COUGARNATEAnother angle?Okay, if stars don't count
to the Cougar Nation why did it explode with excitement over the signing of one
Mr (five star) Jake Heaps?And now that the Cougars don't sign
five stars why do they expect that their two stars will turn out to be Dennis
Pitta or Chad Lewis?
Only "star" to commit this weekend was Star lotuleuleis brother. He
committed to Utah, over byu, usu, and many bcs schools. How many of
these byu kids picked byu over Utah offers?Zero?
@ Howard S. Dennis Pitta and Chad Lewis didn't have any stars and started
out as walk-on's, How did they do at the Y (and NFL)? Stars do not mean
anything. So try another angle. Very surprised about landing Anderson, but
rumor is Bronco and Gary are friends maybe that had something to do with it that
and he obviously couldn't go to USU, for obvious reasons.
I am so pumped for Josh. He is a GREAT young man, and enormous. I
absolutely wish he was going to be a Ute, but I'm very happy for him.Congratulations Josh. This is Snell
Is there really anyone left (who has followed the Aggies for the past year or
longer)that thought Chasen would keep his commitment to become an Aggie? Just
another slap in the face of Aggie fans, but par for the course.
Can't find a star anywhere for Carter and Andersen is a two star.Big whoop.
Now the Andersen betrayal is complete.
OK I have a question. If he was good enough for his dad at USU how come not at
Wisconsin? OK some will say Wisconsin is a better school but I do not buy that
totlally. Glad he wants to come to BYU but makes me wonder a bit. Hope he makes
his dad wish he had taken him to Wisconsin. Just thinking out loud.
Don't know much about either commit, but hopefully they will make an
impact. Welcome to Cougar Nation.
This should lead to some interesting conversations and loyaties in the Anderson
home now that they have ties to all 3 major universities in this state. Ought to
be really fun next year when BYU and Wisconsin play each other, Mom's gonna
have to figure out what to wear and where to sit.