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Published: Sunday, Jan. 20 2013 12:33 a.m. MST

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EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

This rally was nothing more than an irrational and emotional outburst against rational and reasonable proposals for gun control measures. These emotional types worry me much more than their talked-about would-be evil intruders.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
American Statesman

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

Thanks to all the Patriots who were in attendance at this rally. And to those who poo poo this and blow it off as gun nuts please read Benjamin Franklin again. And good luck to you.

Well.ok
Lehi, UT

For the love of all that is holy stop embarrassing those of us level headed individuals who are proud to call Utah home. Do you really believe the Obama and the Federal gov'mnt are just waiting till they take away our assault rifles so he can inflict unending tyranny on us. What do you think he's going to do put us all in forced labor camps while he imposes his socialist agenda?

As has been mentioned before a moderate and rational approach needs to be taken where individuals are still able to enjoy their second amendment rights while sensible restrictions are put in place.

Brotherly Kindness
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

To whoever would say that if guns do not kill people, then alcohol does not kill people, consider that both items contribute to deaths in some way, but we cannot assume it is to the same degree.

I think it would be informative to compare total alcohol-related deaths, both in Utah and in the country at large, to total gun-related deaths. I have my suspicions about which would be higher, but I leave it to professionals to do the research.

Consider that, last I checked, positive protection of alcoholic beverages is not spelled out word for word in the Constitution as a right--only the repeal of its complete and utter prohibition is, while the right to keep and bear arms, which "shall not be infringed" is spelled out word for word in the Constitution.

Finally, guns, in addition to negative and neutral uses, have vitally positive uses of defending ourselves and our communities. Alcohol, I would argue has neutral and negative uses, for I suggest that intoxication, even in moderation, is basically neutral at best. That does not compare with the important and desirability of protecting the lives of those we love against violence and villainy.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

3000 Rally

20 children still dead.

OJF64
Sandy, UT

Chances are pretty darn good that those attending have never actually been faced with a child who died from a gun shot, guaranteed it will change your entire line of thinking and perspective on whats imporant whats not what could have been avoided if only.........

worf
Mcallen, TX

Obama wants, our guns, medical care, and money.

So, what's next?

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The 15 year old in New Mexico that used the assault weapon this weekend "always walked around in camouflage". As Beck used to say before he left the air "I am just saying....".

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

do those who made it to the capital think they are somehow going to get smarter and not have any more accidents and there are going to be fewer deaths as a result of their rally?

how many deaths or woundings before we say enough is enough?

In our country there are over 20,000 people who are accidentally shot, maimed, some are crippled and have their lives forever changed and live to tell about it.

does that number have to increase?

in a domestic dispute an out of control spouse grabs a high powered weapon is it fair to the police to have to respond to somebody out of control who has the armour piercing high powered assault type weapons?

when the government comes for you because you deserve their attention the high trained military will not be dissuaded by your guns but more likely by a high powered attorney.

Rambo and Bruce Willis live in Hollywood because that is the land of make believe... maybe Utah has a place for them as well.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@ Pagan How about this as a result of your idol. Bengazi Americans were dying and Obama is still lying. It is humorous that when a death occurs(and there are plenty)from driving when impaired it is the driver who is vilified not the vehicle. The opposite is true when there is a death that occurs from the result of a gunshot it is the gun that is vilified.Both the same. Wow how about backward thinking. Oh and how about the government wanting to control guns they need to re read Fast And Furious. The king and his ilk can not control their own guns. Of course they can cover that up with an executive order. Others of you there is no such thing as an assualt rifle. The Libs have managed to put the boogey man complex on something that just looks bad.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

mohokat "It is humorous that when a death occurs(and there are plenty)from driving when impaired it is the driver who is vilified not the vehicle. The opposite is true when there is a death that occurs from the result of a gunshot it is the gun that is vilified."

... and then you blame of Obama for the fast & furious in the next sentence? Your empty rhetoric and poor analogy skills used here daily, don't help your cause.

one old man
Ogden, UT

JanSan -- apparently what you've heard about Sweden's gun laws in not completely true. Here's some of what Wikipedia says:

Gun ownership requires license and is regulated by the weapon law (Vapenlagen 1996:67) further regulations are found in weapon decree (Vapenförordningen 1996:70). The law doesn't ban any specific firearms or weapons, it merely states the requirements to own one. Everything from pepperspray to full-automatic machine guns are technically legal, and license to civilians can be given in 'special' cases. Like the other Nordic countries Sweden has a high rate of gun ownership, due to the popularity of hunting. The weapons law doesn't apply to air guns and similar with a projectile energy less than 10 joules at the end of barrel. These require no license and may be bought by any person over 18 years.

one old man
Ogden, UT

""The Utah legislature knows what is best"??? Are these people nuts?"

Yes.

Why won't I be the least bit surprised when someone is shot up one of the gun nuts because they feel "threatened" by the other person's opinions against guns?

one old man
Ogden, UT

By the way -- where did that count of "Nearly 3000" come from?

I saw the photos and it sure didn't look like 3000. Several hundred, yes. But 3000????

The article should tell us who made that estimate. If it came from the gun lobby, then it is REALLY suspect.

one old man
Ogden, UT

The Tribune reports that estimates made by SLC police put the number in attendance at about 1,500.

And here comes another insane legislator trying to pander to his base with a bill that will allow Utah sheriffs to arrest any Federal officer who dares try to enforce a Federal gun law in Utah.

Ah, insanity!

Ain't it fun?

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

One old man, it could be worse. You could live in Arizona where the ATF gives guns to smugglers and then blames it on Obama.

Or asks every brown person for their papers. Or sells all the public buildings for a short term budget boost and then pays much more rent to their buddies in the future. Or that....

Rural sport fan
DUCHESNE, UT

Why is it "crazy" to want guns, in case the gov't tries to impose it's will on the citizens?

After all that is EXACTLY how this country came to exist! And that is specifically why the 2nd amendment exists; since the gov't will need an army, the founders thought it would be a good idea to ensure the citizens could fight that army, if it were used against the people, exactly as England used it's military against it's citizens.

Is it happening now? No, but can you say that will be true in 10 years? 20 years? No, you cannot.

And it doesn't matter if you can, as the constitution says specifically, the gov't cannot infringe our right to keep and bear arms. It is not up for debate, rational or otherwise, so get a clue, and move on to something that MIGHT actually save some kids, like better mental health care or better prescription drug regulation

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@ Happy Valley You may want to step back a ways from the fireplace the smoke is getting to you. First your post did not make any sense and second who do you think was responsible for Fast and Furious? On yea you libs like to blame everything on Bush. So Bush must have done it!
Follow the bouncing ball. Your skills are in question.

Jack
Aurora, CO

I see the full range of opinion is posting here, so here's my take on it.....these folks held a rally, as is their Constitutional right, to have their say on a Constitutional right. They didn't hurt anyone, didn't get arrested, didn't behave like the Occupiers so they must have done it right.

@Pagan, nothing will bring those children back. Nothing. Those folks held a rally in support of their Constitutional rights, not a celebration of those deaths.

@OJF64 - Having seen too many children who suffered at the hands of others doesn't make me want to ban guns, a fruitless and illegal effort that won't undo the suffering they endured. I am instead focused on the perpetrator of the crimes, not the tools used. Getting mad at an inanimate object is illogical, and doesn't solve anything.

For those looking for a one-size-fits-all, perfect-without-exception solution to the violence in our society, I am afraid you will be disappointed....there isn't one.

ApacheNaiche
PINETOP, AZ

Make that three thousand and one!

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