I've never seen a gun load itself.I've never seen a gun
pull its own trigger.I've never seen a gun beat someone to
death.I've never seen a gun drive itself to a shooting.People do these things to each other ... not inanimate objects.In 2011 there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by
firearms; the rest 4,081 were caused by people using inanimate objects i.e.,
knives, cars, poison, baseball bats, frying pans, et cetera. (Source: FBI
statistics; stats do not include Alabama and Florida)
For once I have to give some Kudos's to this organization for its outflow
of reason and sane observation of the rights and duties of the citizens of the
Untied States and their inalienable rights.I'm surprised the DN
even printed or allowed this 2nd amendment endorsement to be printed or noted in
the news media, they are so anti constitutional they are what traitors are to
terrorism.FYI, the presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and
is not president until he is takes an oath to serve the people and laws of
United States on Jan 20th.Legislation and all documents, acts, and
actions, committed by citizen Obama does not represent the United States until
he takes his oath of office and swears to serve this country as the Constitution
dictates and regulates the beginning and end of elected terms of office. His
term of office begins "after" he swears his oath of allegiance to this
country. The congress has no other obligation to all documents other
than VETO them as illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as
treasonous and terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA.
Where in the executive orders does it say anything that threatens or interferes
with a law-abiding citizen's right to own a gun?
These so called law enforcement officers do not understand executive orders.
I'm sorry, but it is not their job to be the law unto themselves. Their
letter is offensive and nothing but self righteous partisan politics. They could
not have have even adequately assessed the President's actions so quickly.
This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the rule of law, and the
confidence of the people in our law enforcement.
2Cents -- for someone who claims to be a Constitutional expert and loyal
supporter, your ignorance is showing again when you claim: "FYI, the
presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and is not president until he is
takes an oath to serve the people and laws of United States on Jan 20th."Just in case you might actually be interested in the TRUTH, here it is:
"Pursuant to the Twentieth Amendment, the president's term of office
begins at noon on January 20 of the year following the election. This date,
known as Inauguration Day, marks the beginning of the four-year terms of both
the president and the vice president."That is why he is taking
the oath privately on Sunday and repeating it in public on Monday.
AMEN to those who realize, Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Sorry, Sam, but you have it only partly right. Guns don't kill people.
But people holding guns kill people.One small, but very important,
I, too, agree that people, not guns, kill. This, then, begs the question of why
Americans do it so much more frequently than those of other nations. I figure
our gun culture is partly a product of the presence of the guns themselves. Our
free for all atmosphere wherein you get to own a gun solely designed to kill
other people provides tacit approval that doing so is OK. Cars and frying pans
are not designed to commit mass murder. Assault rifles with large clips, well,
they're not for putting venison in the freezer, are they? I despise
unnecessary government interference in my life. But something has to be done,
and the proposed changes are not going to deny me of any of my guns. Hopefully
it's a small step in us starting to change our attitudes.
Ye Haw!Feelin' just like I'm a livin' in Texas!Will
we be a leavin' the Union next week?
Another excellent comment from the Hutterite. Thanks.
I am disappointed that the Deseret News did not research this. I am further
disappointed that our taxpayer-funded sheriffs are taking one-sided political
action, due to what they have heard on the radio or TV.There is NO
overstepping of power, nor no walkaround of the legislative process. Deseret News, you make it impossible to post the summary of these so-called
"orders", or even a link to them.Hopefully, other readers
can decipher this. I beg you, Deseret News, to allow this post.snurl dot com backslash 26669pb
The Cache County Sheriffs office needs to find out the mind and motivation of
the boy from Providence who made threatening calls of shooting school children
before the feds move in and seize all the evidence so that the people of Utah
and the nation will never find out about their secret works of darkness and
murder and abominations.. Do not trust centralized, nationalized
unconstitutional police (feds)... See the article about these threats from
Kirby in Deseret News.Do it now people and local sheriffs, wake up!
@ My2Cents: So you really believe that once every four years the United States
is without a President for 20 days? You really think the Constitution is written
To the premise of the letter...As Sherman Potter would say...Meadow Muffins!At 3:14 AM we learn..."...The
congress has no other obligation to all documents other than VETO them as
illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as treasonous and
terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA...".Followed
later by..."...before the feds move in and seize all the
evidence so that the people of Utah and the nation will never find out about
their secret works of darkness and murder and abominations.. Do not trust
centralized, nationalized unconstitutional police (feds)...".With apologies to the Buffalo Springfield, let me add...Somethin's happenin here...There's a man with a gun over
there...Tellin me I got to beware...It's time to stop children
what's that sound...Everybody look what's goin down...Paranoia strikes deep...Into your life it will creep... It starts
when you're always afraid... Step out of line, the man come and take
you away... Life imitating art?One can only hope!
EsquireSpringville, UT"These so called law enforcement officers
do not understand executive orders."Then by all means, please
explain them to us. "I'm sorry, but it is not their job to
be the law unto themselves."Neither is it the
President's"They could not have have even adequately
assessed the President's actions so quickly."But the
President was sure quick to assess the (potential) actions of law-abiding
citizens"This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the
rule of law, and the confidence of the people in our law enforcement."Change 'law enforcement' to President.
20 kids didn't kill themselves last month.An automatic rifle
did.People didn't kill themselves in a theatre in Colorado.A person who purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition online did.
No one is trying to take away peoples rights to own guns.This lie thrown around
by the NRA and others is to install fear among us. We must sit down and have an
honest discussion regarding the safty of guns and their use. I own a gun and
have had great amounts of training using them. Gun owners all need to be
properly trained not just on their use but also how to safty store these weapons
out of reach of our children.
Honestly, it doesn't matter what the politicians "intend" to do, as
it is unconstitutional for them to do anything regarding our right to keep and
bear arms.Not that this has stopped them before. I
absolutely believe that many of them intend to disarm us, and many of them have
publicly stated as much, so you can quit apologizing for them or excusing them
prior to their actually taking action.Pagan, you are wrong in so
many ways. First off, it wasn't an "automatic rifle" in that
massacre, those are STRONGLY regulated, cost tens of thousands of dollars, and
require an extra level of gov't approval to own. Secondly, I challenge you
to show me a rifle that can get up off the floor or table and shoot anyone, all
by itself. The truth is, in America, more people are killed with hammers and
bats and other tools, than with rifles; that is a fact the FBI has gathered. So quit going for the sentimental stuff, and try to stay with the facts?
More Americans have died due to gun violence than any war since 1968.Show me the Americans killed by 'hammers, bats and other tools.'Please.A claim is not a fact.And 20 children did
not die by falling down the stairs.They were shot to death. Last
Thank you Sheriffs for writing this. There are lots of considerations that go
into executive orders that we do not realize, including how binding they can be.
For us to bury our heads into the sand and let our rights fly left, right,
sideways, up, down etc while we sit on our thumbs will get us one day. Thank you
for writing the letter. I would have left out one thing though, the
"respectfully" part. Why do we have to be respectful to people who are
meaningfully taking away our rights as per constitution while we have our very
existence as a nation at hand?
Here is something else we should be doing. Guns are only a part of the problem.
People are the biggest problem and our court system. When you are not scared of
the punishment for the crime then crime happens. Court systems SHOULD not be
about the offenders rights that they gave up once they commited the crime. Nor
should it be about making the defending attorney rich or famous. They should
also ban the phrase my daddy beat me 20 years ago as a reason to commit crimes
today. If punishment fit the crime and was not dragged out 3 to 10 years long I
think that would make some difference as well. We are so eager to take away from
people who haven't done nothing and over look what is not being done to the
ones who have. Shouldn't we do something about them first?
rvalens2,I've never seen a car load up a drunk driverI've never seen a car drive itself into oncoming trafficI've never seen a car by itself hit and kill someoneI've
never seen a car drive itself to an accidentPeople do these things
to each other ... not cars.Yet...we license drivers - and update
their registration every single year. And if someone shows a wanton disregard
for other people by driving drunk or causing an accident while texting, etc., we
remove that person's privilege to drive. We don't let everyone drive
dump trucks or buses or formula one racers. Nice analogy, people.
Shows we can also be sensible and have a few restrictions on the kinds of
weapons and ammo we possess. The job of these officers is not to
interpret the law but to ENFORCE it. If they had talked about the difficulty of
implementation, I would be more sympathetic. Instead, they have adopted what are
clearly right wing stances about the gun debate. Look at NYC, people. They took
guns out of criminal's hands AND have strict gun control. No one gets the
It's true that guns don't actually kill people. Angry, and mentally,
or emotionally challenged people use guns to kill people. They also threaten
family members with them, shoot themselves accidentally with them, brandish them
in their front yards when they want to show their neighbors that they don't
like them and use them to make themselves feel stronger and more in control.