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Published: Friday, Jan. 18 2013 9:56 p.m. MST

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rvalens2
Burley, ID

I've never seen a gun load itself.

I've never seen a gun pull its own trigger.

I've never seen a gun beat someone to death.

I've never seen a gun drive itself to a shooting.

People do these things to each other ... not inanimate objects.

In 2011 there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms; the rest 4,081 were caused by people using inanimate objects i.e., knives, cars, poison, baseball bats, frying pans, et cetera. (Source: FBI statistics; stats do not include Alabama and Florida)

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

For once I have to give some Kudos's to this organization for its outflow of reason and sane observation of the rights and duties of the citizens of the Untied States and their inalienable rights.

I'm surprised the DN even printed or allowed this 2nd amendment endorsement to be printed or noted in the news media, they are so anti constitutional they are what traitors are to terrorism.

FYI, the presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and is not president until he is takes an oath to serve the people and laws of United States on Jan 20th.

Legislation and all documents, acts, and actions, committed by citizen Obama does not represent the United States until he takes his oath of office and swears to serve this country as the Constitution dictates and regulates the beginning and end of elected terms of office. His term of office begins "after" he swears his oath of allegiance to this country.

The congress has no other obligation to all documents other than VETO them as illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as treasonous and terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA.

Maudine
SLC, UT

Where in the executive orders does it say anything that threatens or interferes with a law-abiding citizen's right to own a gun?

Esquire
Springville, UT

These so called law enforcement officers do not understand executive orders. I'm sorry, but it is not their job to be the law unto themselves. Their letter is offensive and nothing but self righteous partisan politics. They could not have have even adequately assessed the President's actions so quickly. This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the rule of law, and the confidence of the people in our law enforcement.

one old man
Ogden, UT

2Cents -- for someone who claims to be a Constitutional expert and loyal supporter, your ignorance is showing again when you claim: "FYI, the presidents term of office ended on Dec 31st and is not president until he is takes an oath to serve the people and laws of United States on Jan 20th."

Just in case you might actually be interested in the TRUTH, here it is: "Pursuant to the Twentieth Amendment, the president's term of office begins at noon on January 20 of the year following the election. This date, known as Inauguration Day, marks the beginning of the four-year terms of both the president and the vice president."

That is why he is taking the oath privately on Sunday and repeating it in public on Monday.

samuel h wiscomb
Sun Lakes, AZ

AMEN to those who realize, Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Sorry, Sam, but you have it only partly right. Guns don't kill people. But people holding guns kill people.

One small, but very important, detail.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I, too, agree that people, not guns, kill. This, then, begs the question of why Americans do it so much more frequently than those of other nations. I figure our gun culture is partly a product of the presence of the guns themselves. Our free for all atmosphere wherein you get to own a gun solely designed to kill other people provides tacit approval that doing so is OK. Cars and frying pans are not designed to commit mass murder. Assault rifles with large clips, well, they're not for putting venison in the freezer, are they? I despise unnecessary government interference in my life. But something has to be done, and the proposed changes are not going to deny me of any of my guns. Hopefully it's a small step in us starting to change our attitudes.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Ye Haw!
Feelin' just like I'm a livin' in Texas!
Will we be a leavin' the Union next week?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Another excellent comment from the Hutterite. Thanks.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

I am disappointed that the Deseret News did not research this. I am further disappointed that our taxpayer-funded sheriffs are taking one-sided political action, due to what they have heard on the radio or TV.

There is NO overstepping of power, nor no walkaround of the legislative process.

Deseret News, you make it impossible to post the summary of these so-called "orders", or even a link to them.

Hopefully, other readers can decipher this. I beg you, Deseret News, to allow this post.

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iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

The Cache County Sheriffs office needs to find out the mind and motivation of the boy from Providence who made threatening calls of shooting school children before the feds move in and seize all the evidence so that the people of Utah and the nation will never find out about their secret works of darkness and murder and abominations.. Do not trust centralized, nationalized unconstitutional police (feds)...
See the article about these threats from Kirby in Deseret News.

Do it now people and local sheriffs, wake up!

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ My2Cents: So you really believe that once every four years the United States is without a President for 20 days? You really think the Constitution is written that poorly?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

To the premise of the letter...

As Sherman Potter would say...

Meadow Muffins!

At 3:14 AM we learn...

"...The congress has no other obligation to all documents other than VETO them as illegal and unconstitutional. Perhaps even consider them as treasonous and terrorist acts against the citizens of the USA...".

Followed later by...

"...before the feds move in and seize all the evidence so that the people of Utah and the nation will never find out about their secret works of darkness and murder and abominations.. Do not trust centralized, nationalized unconstitutional police (feds)...".

With apologies to the Buffalo Springfield, let me add...

Somethin's happenin here...
There's a man with a gun over there...
Tellin me I got to beware...
It's time to stop children what's that sound...
Everybody look what's goin down...

Paranoia strikes deep...
Into your life it will creep...
It starts when you're always afraid...
Step out of line, the man come and take you away...

Life imitating art?

One can only hope!

MajMarine
Salt Lake City, UT

Esquire
Springville, UT
"These so called law enforcement officers do not understand executive orders."

Then by all means, please explain them to us.

"I'm sorry, but it is not their job to be the law unto themselves."

Neither is it the President's

"They could not have have even adequately assessed the President's actions so quickly."

But the President was sure quick to assess the (potential) actions of law-abiding citizens

"This is the kind of stuff that erodes our nation, the rule of law, and the confidence of the people in our law enforcement."

Change 'law enforcement' to President.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

20 kids didn't kill themselves last month.

An automatic rifle did.

People didn't kill themselves in a theatre in Colorado.

A person who purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition online did.

ex-infantry
Provo, UT

No one is trying to take away peoples rights to own guns.This lie thrown around by the NRA and others is to install fear among us. We must sit down and have an honest discussion regarding the safty of guns and their use. I own a gun and have had great amounts of training using them. Gun owners all need to be properly trained not just on their use but also how to safty store these weapons out of reach of our children.

Rural sport fan
DUCHESNE, UT

Honestly, it doesn't matter what the politicians "intend" to do, as it is unconstitutional for them to do anything regarding our right to keep and bear arms.

Not that this has stopped them before.

I absolutely believe that many of them intend to disarm us, and many of them have publicly stated as much, so you can quit apologizing for them or excusing them prior to their actually taking action.

Pagan, you are wrong in so many ways. First off, it wasn't an "automatic rifle" in that massacre, those are STRONGLY regulated, cost tens of thousands of dollars, and require an extra level of gov't approval to own. Secondly, I challenge you to show me a rifle that can get up off the floor or table and shoot anyone, all by itself. The truth is, in America, more people are killed with hammers and bats and other tools, than with rifles; that is a fact the FBI has gathered.

So quit going for the sentimental stuff, and try to stay with the facts?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

More Americans have died due to gun violence than any war since 1968.

Show me the Americans killed by 'hammers, bats and other tools.'

Please.

A claim is not a fact.

And 20 children did not die by falling down the stairs.

They were shot to death. Last month.

Fact.

Let's be real
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank you Sheriffs for writing this. There are lots of considerations that go into executive orders that we do not realize, including how binding they can be. For us to bury our heads into the sand and let our rights fly left, right, sideways, up, down etc while we sit on our thumbs will get us one day. Thank you for writing the letter. I would have left out one thing though, the "respectfully" part. Why do we have to be respectful to people who are meaningfully taking away our rights as per constitution while we have our very existence as a nation at hand?

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