Diversity that includes the elements that are debasing is not good. I call it
"deworsification". Diversity is good only if the components of that
diversity are good. Of course, the challenge is to determine if something is
good or not. I will only say that a lot of what Hollywood and the independent
film-makers produce is degrading and corrosive to the human soul, and saying
that it value through its "diversification" is an assault on logic.
Freedom of expression is an American value to be cherished. But equally
important is personal restraint that reflects values that uplift hearts and
minds. Too much of what filmmakers produce may entertain for a night, but
degrades us all slowly.
So much hate over one man and one festival, really people? there is a whole
world out there to explore, try getting out once and a while.
JCS: "Modern Hollywood has become a cesspool of violence and immorality.
Not only does Sundance reflect this immorality and violence, it magnifies it...
Redford and the other left-wing producers are filling their movies with wanton
sexuality and violence..."Yeah. I saw a lot of that in "The
Brave Little Toaster" and "Hoosiers." And "Napolean
Dynamite" was certainly violent, with the ligers and all. And
"Wordplay," "Mad Hot Ballroom," "March of the Penguins,"
or "Hoop Dreams"? Really perverse.I am curious about how
many of the armchair critics here have actually attended the festival or seen
more than a handful of its films, either at the fest or in subsequent
screenings. I've seen well over a hundred at the festival and countless
more later at theaters or on television. Come on, guys, tell us how much of
your opinion is based on actual experience and direct observation and how much
is just on second-hand rumor and speculation. I fully grant that it is not
necessary to pick up a red hot horseshoe off the anvil to know that it will
burn, but I'm interested in knowing how people's opinions of the
festival are formed.
Sundance Film Festival is indeed the loudest bark for those listening and
watching. However, unspoken is Redford's 'broadminded' support
of empowering, emboldening, and embracing some of societies most degenerate and
destructive forces and its attendant philosophy, i.e. that immorality, violence,
and selfishness are just a choice, no better or worse than all the other choices
people make. That philosophy is the most narrow minded of all, for they
don't allow any choice. An irony,indeed, considering Redford's own
stated purpose for the festival.
"Sometimes the narrowest mind barks the loudest"So liberals
are protesting the Sundance Film Festival. That's weird.
EmajorBack in the day, Bob went to capital hill to outlaw folks taking
helicopter rides above sun dance.Guess what Bob was doing right after that
law passed?Correct. He was in a helicopter landing up above sun dance.And if you feel like 99% don't care about Utah, then I'm sure
others states would be happier for for you.
Sundance is now about the honor of being in sundance. There's nothing going
on at Sundance that isn't being done on YouTube. The difference is that
bigname actors and actresses participate in artsy films for the accolades of the
festival itself. It's a chance to get together, network and keep Hollywood
a few levels above everyone else in their great and spacious building. It's
about hubris, it keeps Hollywood relevant in entertainment, and really is just a
snub to what the public is doing on its own with this new age of digital film
tools. Occasionally they take an "aspiring" filmmaker and
dress him/her up in the Emperor's clothes for a day, but again,
they're the ones doing it, so all in all they maintain control.
When it comes to attempts to weaken values, the usual answer is MONEY. Ah, I see
that Robert Redford supplied the expected justification quote. He also supplied
a number of non-answer answers about film content and the documented dangers of
"Sometimes the narrowest mind barks the loudest, and we've, over time,
just come to ignore it,"That's a fantastic quote. There are
already a few "barks" on this message board.I get a kick out
of watching Utah conservatives fume and rail against Robert Redford any time he
shows up in the news. Here we have a entrepreneurial businessman who excelled in
his field, carved out a successful ski resort, promotes the state worldwide to
our economic benefit, and co-founded a remarkably successful film festival that
brings in revenue and creates positive press for Utah. You know, a job creator.
And Utah conservatives can't stand him. Cracks me up every time.patriot:"A note to Redford - 95% of Utah ignores you"You badly overestimate the extent of your political demographic in this state.
And you forget that 99.99% of the world ignores Utah.
Bob believes his own fairy tale.
Does that narrow mind include all the recent barking from the left? The are
Modern Hollywood has become a cesspool of violence and immorality. Not only does
Sundance reflect this immorality and violence, it magnifies it.Redford and the other left-wing producers are filling their movies with wanton
sexuality and violence precisely because they do want the viewers to be changed
by what they see. Modern Hollywood has an open and stated agenda of destroying
traditional marriage and family. Indoctrinating the ignorant masses with the
belief that violence and sexuality are purely recreational activities goes a
long way towards furthering this agenda.In short, Sundance
denigrates every traditional value that has made Utah great. Thus, not one cent
of taxpayer money should go to support it.
Sundance exists to promote independent film, that is, film not necessarily aimed
at providing the largest financial return on investment (like the studio
blockbusters at the megaplex), but at stimulating thought.As a
Sundance veteran, I 've seen my share of clunkers that fell short in some
way. Some have lousy production values, some have gratuitous sex or violence,
some are just incomprehensible. But even the most mediocre made you think. And
the best, well, they can shine in glorious transcendence and the festival
succeeds in its purpose.I will admit that there is an art to reading
between the lines in the overly obscure descriptions in the festival guide. The
editors could be more forthright with sensitivity ratings. But the typical
audience member is not a lowest-common-denominator filmgoer. People go to
Sundance on purpose to be provoked and moved. They are not the type to be
offended by the same things the Sutherland Institute is. There is no harm in
state support. The state does not have to cater to the most sensitive
"Sometimes the narrowest mind barks the loudest, and we've, over time,
just come to ignore it," I have heard Redford's absurd and
ugly American hating comments in the past on a variety of issues as well as his
"anything goes" moral code. I would love to hear what Redford thinks of
the teachings in the New Testament. I'm sure he would label all of the
authors in the New Testament as narrow minded and to be ignored. A
note to Redford - 95% of Utah ignores you!!!
Is Robert talking about his narrow mind when it comes to approving violence in
films, or just another shot at Utah's organizations?
If the state were to pay to show an R-rated or X-rated film on the Capitol lawn
during the summer, do you think any Utahns would be upset? Yes, probably a lot
of them. That's just about what they're doing by contributing money to
Sundance and attaching their name to it. I don't think anyone
objects to Sundance showing whatever movies it wants, just the fact that the
state is helping fund it and openly endorsing it -- disgusting movies and
I think Robert Nails it "Sometimes the narrowest mind barks the loudest, and
we've, over time, just come to ignore it," he said.He also noted
that the 10-day festival brings in roughly $80 million to the local economy each
year.The Sutherland Institute, The Eagle Form, The Heritage foundation,
Glenn, Sean, Rush all things I've learned to just ignore as silly clubs and