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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Utah didn't try to put a strong SOS together and nobody, including Utah's coaching staff, has said otherwise. We also all know that BYU had a stronger pre-season schedule. Non of that has ever been disputed. My disagreement is with your idea that Utah's pre-season schedule was one of the worst in D1. You said yourself that Utah ended the preseason in the low 100s, which proves my argument.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    @2fer

    "The Utes did not jump from 347 to 71 in four games."

    Actually that is almost exactly what they did although it wasn't in 4 games.

    utah's SOS at the start of the season was 335th. Now in the pre season the only teams they played that gave them any significant boost to their SOS were BYU, BSU and SMU although those teams were enough to jump them into the low 100's. Before they started pac12 play they were still in the low 100's. They have jumped about 100 spots since conference play began although that is now going to start dropping again because they already played the good teams in the conference.

    The point is they did not have a better sos than BYU in the pre season, which is actually the only part of the schedule either team has any control over and it is doubtful they would have a better SOS even now if the BYU usu game hadn't been postponed. YOu don't get credit for scheduling conference games, you have to play those.

    BYU still has St Mary's twice, Gonzaga twice, and USU to play. We'll see how sos turns out.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I never said Utah had a strong pre-season schedule. I'm just saying that it is not as bad as BYU fans are painting it and it's certainly not one of the worst in the nation. The Utes did not jump from 347 to 71 in four games. I know it, you know it, why are you still fighting it?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    @2fer

    No what is happening is that you are desperately trying to deflect. utah's pre season schedule was aweful, but since they started pac12 play they played the #3 ranked team in the country and 2 more in the top 50. Yes that has raised utah's sos. Their pre season schedule was terrible, much worse than BYU's. Just the facts.

    LOL!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    "Case in point, utah's mens basketball plays perhaps the worst pre season schedule in all of D1, loses to the only good team it played in BYU"

    Actually, Utah beat the best team they played in nonconference in Boise State by 21.

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    What's with the lies?

    Utah(6-8)

    Wrong. (8-8)

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    2fer

    "I guess I'm confused why you are mocking Utah for doing pretty much the same thing BYU has done this season...."

    Because Utah DIDN'T do pretty much the same thing BYU has done this season, as reflected in the rankings, which you so conveniently ignore when they don't suit your narrative.

    #40 BYU(13-4)
    #114 Utah(6-8)

    BYU will finish with 25+ wins for the 7th straight year.
    Utah will finish with another losing season, for 6th time in the last 8 years.

    SOS has nothing to do with it.

    BYU has a had a good program since Dave Rose became head coach.
    Utah has been "rebuilding" almost every year during the same period.

    It is what it is and none of your hyperbole about SOS is going to change that.

  • D4inSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Duck,
    "What the pac12 does know is that they settled for an inferior athletic program in utah because they did not want a religious school like BYU, they knew that going in, it was a conscious decision."

    Actually I believe it was because they wanted an institution that matched the rest of the league - major medical, research and teaching institutions with a history of inclusive practices. That is something that y will never be or do. Keep it classy my friend.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Once again your hyperbole strikes all legitimacy from your post. If Utah's pre-season schedule was really the worst in D1, I highly doubt that Utah would climb to number 71 in only four conference games.

    And yes BYU had a marvelous pre-season schedule; in which they got blasted by every good team they played. I guess I'm confused why you are mocking Utah for doing pretty much the same thing BYU has done this season....

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    @2fer

    Now that utah is playing some of the pac12 teams its sos is rising, sure. But of course utah is losing to ALL of those teams. But utah's pre conference schedule was horrible. much worse than BYU's and that is the point I made. Nice try at deflection but it won't work with me.

    LOL!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    @ CougfaninTX

    I don't disagree with anything you have said, except that the decision to bring Utah in is being second guessed.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @Two For Flinching - "Utah basketball is coming around, but the men and women both did fairly well with their pre-season schedules."

    Congratulations on beating Willamette and College of Idaho. That would be impressive . . . if you were a high school team. Without any reservation, I believe Lone Peak would have easily beat these teams. This did nothing to prep your team for PAC play.

    I'm only trying to point out that being in a great conference is not the destination. U have to win and be relevant, and quite frankly U have to admit U are stinking it up right now in football, basketball, baseball, and other sports that I don't even follow. Hopefully U will get it turned around, but don't settle for being in the PAC. Winning matters.

    BYU has to win also, even more so as an independent. BYU and our fans were not satisfied with 8-5, that's why the football coaches are getting a make over.

    Utah fans should not be satisfied with just being in the PAC and spending the first two years in the cellar in many sports. U can do more.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    BYU fan ignorance is even more fun to read. Utah's SOS in basketball is higher than any other program in the state. How embarrassing for you.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    When Utah joined the PAC 10.2 they were not too bad and so it made sense for them and the league. Since then the Utes have suffered playing with the big boys and can't keep up. I remember that being a member of the PAC 10.2 was going to bolster their recruiting and they would be a contender after two years. Well, B-ball recruiting is in the dumps and football is just average. Who want to play for a team that can't win. I don't see it getting better anytime soon. Sorry Utes but that's the current state of things.
    You could consider cheering for the big brothers down south who DO have winning records in multiple sports. Men's volleyball is 3rd nationally.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    @2fer

    utah "fan" hypocrisy is certainly fun to read. Case in point, utah's mens basketball plays perhaps the worst pre season schedule in all of D1, loses to the only good team it played in BYU as well as lost to a couple of bad teams and you claim they "did fairly well". Yet you also criticize BYU's football schedule which is inarguably far superior in quality to utah's pre season basketball schedule.

    LOL!

    I don't know whether the pac 12 regrets bringing utah into the conference but I can guaranty they thought they were getting a better program than they have gotten. Still it doesn't really matter, utah is in and that isn't changing. What the pac12 does know is that they settled for an inferior athletic program in utah because they did not want a religious school like BYU, they knew that going in, it was a conscious decision. I think they just hoped utah would be better than it has been. But someone has to be the bottom feeder of the conference so overall the pac12 is probably happy with what utah brings to the conference.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 16, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    UteJunky70

    The PAC 12 was happy to welcome a couple of patsies to join bottom dweller Washington St. At least Colorado has a basketball team. What did Utah bring to the table? A train wreck of a basketball program and football team that's been in steady decline since 2008. The PAC 12 could have done just as well adding Utah State and Colorado State.

  • UteJunky70 midvale, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Hey trolls. The Utes performance in any sport has nothing to do with any reconsideration of their invite to the league.Do you think the league is reconsidering the membership of USC because they became the first pre-season no.1 to lose 6 games and just fired there basketball coach? Absurd! The expansion to 12 was to give the conference more leverage in negotiations. Adding 2 more major metropolitan media markets and being able to sell a conference title game helped lead to a 12 yr. 3 billion dollar TV deal. It also created the motivation behind forming a Pac-12 network. I'm quite sure the school presidents are not second guessing those 2 developements.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    "Most of the decisions that Larry Scott has made have really helped the PAC. The decision to invite Utah is being second guessed by a lot of schools"

    --------

    Utah invitation is being 2nd guessed? By whom? And whose your source? Duckhunter? But then I again he's told us he "knows people", so then again you might right on.

    I wonder why BYU fans break these stories and not ESPN, SI, etc.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    bookonwomen

    Nice try, but the Utes are 7-11 in the PAC 12 and haven't beaten a PAC 12 foe with a winning record yet.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    Utah basketball is coming around, but the men and women both did fairly well with their pre-season schedules. In fact, Utah soccer was pretty successful in the non-conference games as well. It makes the PAC look really strong when Utah's teams win, until conf. play starts....

    However, we all know expansion is driven by football. Utah football is 6-1 in non conference games, including a 1-0 mark in bowl games. Once again, that is good for the PAC any way you slice it.

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    "being second guessed by a lot of schools"

    What schools?? Utah has played 9 PAC-12 teams in football, of the 9 they have beaten 6 of them and many where blow outs. 49-27 over Cal, 49-6 over WAsh St., 27-8 over Oregon St., 31-6 over UCLA, 34-21 over AZ, blocked FG from taking USC into OT at the colesium. Ute hoops is rebuilding but has taken AZ, AZ St. and UCLA down to the wire.

    You are clueless and have just been proven completely wrong.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Wow, CougFaninTX, its been over 2 years since Utah was invited to the PAC12. When will your bitterness subside? I understand how you might be disappointed with Cougar football. I mean, this was supposed to be "the year", right? And I understand that many of your fellow fans have given up on this year's basketball team, but why take out your frustration on Utah fans?

    Cheer up! There are positives! Like this year, BYU wasn't eliminated from the BCS until week 3, where traditionally they are eliminated in week 2! And word out of the Cougar Fantasy Camp is that the 2013 basketball squad should be really swell thanks to some really keen recruiting!

    "Just wait until next year!" -- Why hasn't that been a t-shirt yet?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    If the Utes lose to WSU, that could be very embarassing since WSU lost to Pepperdine. A loss also means a firm footing on cellar of the PAC.

    Most of the decisions that Larry Scott has made have really helped the PAC. The decision to invite Utah is being second guessed by a lot of schools after the showing in football (2nd to the last in South), basketball (last), baseball (last), women's basketball (last). Women's soccer is the bright spot at 3rd from last.

    U keep cheerin' chrissy.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Let's Get er done Utes!