@ DuckhunterUtah didn't try to put a strong SOS together and
nobody, including Utah's coaching staff, has said otherwise. We also all
know that BYU had a stronger pre-season schedule. Non of that has ever been
disputed. My disagreement is with your idea that Utah's pre-season schedule
was one of the worst in D1. You said yourself that Utah ended the preseason in
the low 100s, which proves my argument.
@2fer"The Utes did not jump from 347 to 71 in four
games."Actually that is almost exactly what they did although it
wasn't in 4 games.utah's SOS at the start of the season
was 335th. Now in the pre season the only teams they played that gave them any
significant boost to their SOS were BYU, BSU and SMU although those teams were
enough to jump them into the low 100's. Before they started pac12 play they
were still in the low 100's. They have jumped about 100 spots since
conference play began although that is now going to start dropping again because
they already played the good teams in the conference. The point is
they did not have a better sos than BYU in the pre season, which is actually the
only part of the schedule either team has any control over and it is doubtful
they would have a better SOS even now if the BYU usu game hadn't been
postponed. YOu don't get credit for scheduling conference games, you have
to play those. BYU still has St Mary's twice, Gonzaga twice,
and USU to play. We'll see how sos turns out.
@ DuckhunterI never said Utah had a strong pre-season schedule.
I'm just saying that it is not as bad as BYU fans are painting it and
it's certainly not one of the worst in the nation. The Utes did not jump
from 347 to 71 in four games. I know it, you know it, why are you still
@2ferNo what is happening is that you are desperately trying to
deflect. utah's pre season schedule was aweful, but since they started
pac12 play they played the #3 ranked team in the country and 2 more in the top
50. Yes that has raised utah's sos. Their pre season schedule was terrible,
much worse than BYU's. Just the facts.LOL!
"Case in point, utah's mens basketball plays perhaps the worst pre
season schedule in all of D1, loses to the only good team it played in
BYU"Actually, Utah beat the best team they played in
nonconference in Boise State by 21.
@SportsFanWhat's with the lies?Utah(6-8)Wrong. (8-8)
2fer"I guess I'm confused why you are mocking Utah for
doing pretty much the same thing BYU has done this season...."Because Utah DIDN'T do pretty much the same thing BYU has done this
season, as reflected in the rankings, which you so conveniently ignore when they
don't suit your narrative.#40 BYU(13-4)#114 Utah(6-8)BYU will finish with 25+ wins for the 7th straight year.Utah will
finish with another losing season, for 6th time in the last 8 years.SOS has nothing to do with it.BYU has a had a good program since
Dave Rose became head coach.Utah has been "rebuilding" almost
every year during the same period.It is what it is and none of your
hyperbole about SOS is going to change that.
Duck,"What the pac12 does know is that they settled for an inferior
athletic program in utah because they did not want a religious school like BYU,
they knew that going in, it was a conscious decision."Actually I
believe it was because they wanted an institution that matched the rest of the
league - major medical, research and teaching institutions with a history of
inclusive practices. That is something that y will never be or do. Keep it
classy my friend.
@ DuckhunterOnce again your hyperbole strikes all legitimacy from
your post. If Utah's pre-season schedule was really the worst in D1, I
highly doubt that Utah would climb to number 71 in only four conference games.
And yes BYU had a marvelous pre-season schedule; in which they got
blasted by every good team they played. I guess I'm confused why you are
mocking Utah for doing pretty much the same thing BYU has done this season....
@2ferNow that utah is playing some of the pac12 teams its sos is
rising, sure. But of course utah is losing to ALL of those teams. But
utah's pre conference schedule was horrible. much worse than BYU's and
that is the point I made. Nice try at deflection but it won't work with me.
@ CougfaninTXI don't disagree with anything you have said,
except that the decision to bring Utah in is being second guessed.
@Two For Flinching - "Utah basketball is coming around, but the men and
women both did fairly well with their pre-season schedules."Congratulations on beating Willamette and College of Idaho. That would be
impressive . . . if you were a high school team. Without any reservation, I
believe Lone Peak would have easily beat these teams. This did nothing to prep
your team for PAC play.I'm only trying to point out that being
in a great conference is not the destination. U have to win and be relevant,
and quite frankly U have to admit U are stinking it up right now in football,
basketball, baseball, and other sports that I don't even follow. Hopefully
U will get it turned around, but don't settle for being in the PAC.
Winning matters.BYU has to win also, even more so as an independent.
BYU and our fans were not satisfied with 8-5, that's why the football
coaches are getting a make over. Utah fans should not be satisfied
with just being in the PAC and spending the first two years in the cellar in
many sports. U can do more.
@ DuckhunterBYU fan ignorance is even more fun to read. Utah's
SOS in basketball is higher than any other program in the state. How
embarrassing for you.
When Utah joined the PAC 10.2 they were not too bad and so it made sense for
them and the league. Since then the Utes have suffered playing with the big
boys and can't keep up. I remember that being a member of the PAC 10.2 was
going to bolster their recruiting and they would be a contender after two years.
Well, B-ball recruiting is in the dumps and football is just average. Who want
to play for a team that can't win. I don't see it getting better
anytime soon. Sorry Utes but that's the current state of things.You
could consider cheering for the big brothers down south who DO have winning
records in multiple sports. Men's volleyball is 3rd nationally.
@2ferutah "fan" hypocrisy is certainly fun to read. Case in
point, utah's mens basketball plays perhaps the worst pre season schedule
in all of D1, loses to the only good team it played in BYU as well as lost to a
couple of bad teams and you claim they "did fairly well". Yet you also
criticize BYU's football schedule which is inarguably far superior in
quality to utah's pre season basketball schedule. LOL!I don't know whether the pac 12 regrets bringing utah into the conference
but I can guaranty they thought they were getting a better program than they
have gotten. Still it doesn't really matter, utah is in and that isn't
changing. What the pac12 does know is that they settled for an inferior athletic
program in utah because they did not want a religious school like BYU, they knew
that going in, it was a conscious decision. I think they just hoped utah would
be better than it has been. But someone has to be the bottom feeder of the
conference so overall the pac12 is probably happy with what utah brings to the
UteJunky70The PAC 12 was happy to welcome a couple of patsies to
join bottom dweller Washington St. At least Colorado has a basketball team. What
did Utah bring to the table? A train wreck of a basketball program and football
team that's been in steady decline since 2008. The PAC 12 could have done
just as well adding Utah State and Colorado State.
Hey trolls. The Utes performance in any sport has nothing to do with any
reconsideration of their invite to the league.Do you think the league is
reconsidering the membership of USC because they became the first pre-season
no.1 to lose 6 games and just fired there basketball coach? Absurd! The
expansion to 12 was to give the conference more leverage in negotiations. Adding
2 more major metropolitan media markets and being able to sell a conference
title game helped lead to a 12 yr. 3 billion dollar TV deal. It also created the
motivation behind forming a Pac-12 network. I'm quite sure the school
presidents are not second guessing those 2 developements.
@CougFaninTX"Most of the decisions that Larry Scott has made
have really helped the PAC. The decision to invite Utah is being second guessed
by a lot of schools"--------Utah invitation is being
2nd guessed? By whom? And whose your source? Duckhunter? But then I again
he's told us he "knows people", so then again you might right on.
I wonder why BYU fans break these stories and not ESPN, SI, etc.
bookonwomenNice try, but the Utes are 7-11 in the PAC 12 and
haven't beaten a PAC 12 foe with a winning record yet.
@ CougFaninTXUtah basketball is coming around, but the men and women
both did fairly well with their pre-season schedules. In fact, Utah soccer was
pretty successful in the non-conference games as well. It makes the PAC look
really strong when Utah's teams win, until conf. play starts....However, we all know expansion is driven by football. Utah football is 6-1 in
non conference games, including a 1-0 mark in bowl games. Once again, that is
good for the PAC any way you slice it.
"being second guessed by a lot of schools" What schools??
Utah has played 9 PAC-12 teams in football, of the 9 they have beaten 6 of them
and many where blow outs. 49-27 over Cal, 49-6 over WAsh St., 27-8 over Oregon
St., 31-6 over UCLA, 34-21 over AZ, blocked FG from taking USC into OT at the
colesium. Ute hoops is rebuilding but has taken AZ, AZ St. and UCLA down to the
wire.You are clueless and have just been proven completely wrong.
Wow, CougFaninTX, its been over 2 years since Utah was invited to the PAC12.
When will your bitterness subside? I understand how you might be disappointed
with Cougar football. I mean, this was supposed to be "the year",
right? And I understand that many of your fellow fans have given up on this
year's basketball team, but why take out your frustration on Utah fans?Cheer up! There are positives! Like this year, BYU wasn't
eliminated from the BCS until week 3, where traditionally they are eliminated in
week 2! And word out of the Cougar Fantasy Camp is that the 2013 basketball
squad should be really swell thanks to some really keen recruiting!"Just wait until next year!" -- Why hasn't that been a t-shirt
If the Utes lose to WSU, that could be very embarassing since WSU lost to
Pepperdine. A loss also means a firm footing on cellar of the PAC. Most of the decisions that Larry Scott has made have really helped the PAC.
The decision to invite Utah is being second guessed by a lot of schools after
the showing in football (2nd to the last in South), basketball (last), baseball
(last), women's basketball (last). Women's soccer is the bright spot
at 3rd from last.U keep cheerin' chrissy.
Let's Get er done Utes!