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  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    VegasUte

    FACTS, and a reality check, that apparently continue to befuddle the kids on the hill.

    BYU continues to have better overall seasons than Utah.

    Utah continues its steady decline since peaking in 2008.

    Can't wait to see how the kids on the hill spin 3-9 and a loss to BYU, after signing three straight PAC 10.2-calibre recruiting classes.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 24, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Spokane Ute:

    "Can't you guys be accurate, or is everythng a spin game?"

    Uh - no and yes!

    "Utah has two BSC bowl victories. Utah has beaten byU 8 of the last 11 meetings. My origional point, Utah continues to out recruit byU."

    Why confuse them with facts and reality? Geez, Spokane, haven't you learned anything yet?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Lil ducky - you are sooo obsessed with trolling Utah stories - what are you trying to make up for? Nobody outside of Utah County give any credence to rantings and your predictions (Fangupo) are suspect at best.

    You are entertaining, though. Keep on spreading your hatred for the U, we all need a good laugh!!

    Go Utes!!

    BTW - byU's "recommitment" keeps them solidly at the #64 recruiting class by Rivals, and they are significantly lower than Utah by EVERY other reporting service. Yet the kitty trollers are here in droves mocking Utah's recruiting class. Go figure!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    "BYU won a National Championship, but not under a BSC format"

    The PAC 10/10.2 has never won a National Championship under the BCS format either.

    So what's your point?

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    U 90

    "BYU beat the Aggies while Utah lost to them, however didn't BYU lose to Utah?"

    Which best win was more impressive?

    BYU's win over #16 Utah State(11-2)
    or
    Utah's win over unranked BYU(8-5)

    Utah racked up almost all of their wins against the likes of FCS No. Colorado(5-6), California(3-9), Washington State(3-9), and Colorado(1-11) - combined record of FBS teams (7-29) - impressive!

    It's easy to see why Sagarin ranked BYU #26 and Utah #61.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Kilarny

    Great spin job, but let's at least be accurate. Georgia Tech finished 7-7; that's not a "winning" record; it's a .500 record. A winning record indicates you have won more games then lost. Pretty simple.

    The Utah State win was not on the "road"; like I asked. Another simple concept.

    Can't you guys be accurate, or is everythng a spin game?

    Utah has gained a huge TV contract, plus a nice Sun Bowl victory, against a Georgia Tech team that actully had a winning record.

    Enough is enough, in conclusion. BYU has more top 25 rankings. BYU went to a bowl this year, Utah didn't. BYU won a National Championship, but not under a BSC format (beat a 6-6 Michigan team)

    Utah has two BSC bowl victories. Utah has beaten BYU 8 of the last 11 meetings. My origional point, Utah continues to our recruit BYU.

    Hopefully BYU fans (Utah Haters) can find someone else to pick a fight with. I'm done.

    Everyone have a good day; and GO UTES!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Who currently has the higher ranked recruiting class?"

    Since you've already posted the answer, I'd suggest scrolling back a page or two to refresh your memory.

    "...when was the last time BYU beat a BCS school, with a winning record, on the road?"

    BYU beat ACC division winner Georgia Tech(7-7) on the road - the 4th best rushing team in the country and a team that dominated USC in the Sun Bowl.

    Forget labels, which don't really indicate whether a team was any good during a particular season.

    When was the last time Utah and BYU beat a Top 25 team?

    Answer:

    BYU - 2012 - #16/#16 Utah State

    Utah - 2011 - ur/#25 BYU

    Not surprising, Utah's greatest accomplishment since joining the PAC 10.2, is beating BYU.

    So what has Utah really gained by joining the PAC 10.2?

    A chance to play their bowl game against BYU in September so the Utes can watch bowl week from the comfort of their own living room?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Just the Fiction

    I have no idea, and conversely, when was the last time BYU beat a BCS school, with a winning record, on the road? Face it; it's been a while for both schools. While se are asking questions; when was the last time BYU won a BCS bowl? Beat an SEC team with a winning record? Actually beat Utah?

    Now lets stay on topic.

    Who currently has the higher ranked recruiting class? That was my point to begin with. Why do BYU fans refuse to answer the only question that relates there school, to the subject matter? Now that's curious.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Actually, Utah stacks up just fine against those schools..."

    You're only fooling yourself.

    The only time Utah stacks up "just fine" against "those" teams is when they're having a losing season; and even then, Utah still manages to embarrass itself - see 10-loss Colorado at home.

    I hope that helps educate U about your own team.

    Here's a little Utah history quiz for you:

    When was the last time Utah won a road game against a PAC 12 team with a winning record?

    A road game, by the way, is a game played in the other team's home stadium.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Not obssessed at all. No need to use CAPS, your obsession with Utah football is so noted. Actually, Utah stacks up just fine against those schools; having split against Arizona, UCLA and Cal; and sweept WSU. We haven' played Oregon or Stanford since joining the conference. I hope that helps with your education and understanding of Utah football.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    LCBSoCal

    "It's funny to watch BYU fans predicting a dire future for Utah..."

    Utah's track record of being a conference bottom dweller or conference also ran for most of the last 60 years is a much more reasonable predictor of Utah's future, than Utah's momentary flashes of brilliance during the mid-2000s.

    The Utes have been in steady decline since they hit their peak in 2008.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 24, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    U 90

    "Since 03 Utah has identical or better records than BYU against Utah St, SDSU and GA Tech. Nice try."

    LOL!

    You're seriously going to try to spin that Utah State, SDSU and Georgia Tech have been consistently as good each season since 2003 as each of those teams was this season?

    No wonder Utah fans are so clueless when it comes to understanding the difference between being a perennial Top 25 team, like BYU, and an occassional Top 25 team, like Utah.

    -------

    Spokane Ute

    Since Utah only plays BYU TWICE in the next four years, while playing at least 36 games against PAC 10.2 teams, comparing how Utah stacks up against USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Arizona, ASU, Cal, WSU and Colorado is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than how Utah and BYU compare.

    Of course, if you're like most Utah fans who are totally and completely obsessed with beating BYU, I guess how Utah compares to their big brother is more important.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    U 90

    You are spot on. Insecurity, with a twist of jealousy. Notice how the thread about Utah's 2013 Recruiting Class, turns into a we have more top 25 finish thread? Never a BCS victory, or who's beat who over the last 10 year thread....and of course they won't compare recruiting classes; which is the topic at hand. Now that's curious. Have a good one Guy and GO UTES!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    @ Jealous U "BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a prayer of beating"

    Yes, BYU beat the Aggies while Utah lost to them, however didn't BYU lose to Utah? So what's your point. Since 2003 Utah has an equal or better record against Utah St, GA Tech and SDSU. So what's your point? Everyone knows that over half of BYU's regular season wins last season came at the hands of New Mexico State, Hawaii, Idaho and Weber State. So why do you and you pals feel the need to come on to a Utah thread to try and validate your team.... insecurity got the best of you?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Jealous

    No, what's truely laughable is how BYU fans flock to Utah threads and try to defend there program against Utah's. Now le't stay on topic. The subject is "Utah's Recruiting Class". Who has the higher ranked class; Utah or BYU? Now don't skirt the question; just answer it. No need to go way off on a tangent. Stay focused Guy!

  • LCBSoCal Northridge, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    It's funny to watch BYU fans predicting a dire future for Utah. Some things never change.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    Swoop

    You are really struggling with the concept. You ask me how other PAC 12 schools compare. I say it's irrealavent. I brought up Utah's class rankings vs. BYU's. Then you ask how Notre Dame's is realavent. Well, it's about as relavent to BYU's as USC's is to Utah's. Of course some PAC 12 schools have a better class, and some don't. It's curious how you didn't mention the ones with a lower ranking though; typical. So let's stay on subject. Who has a better class, Utah or BYU? Quick to the spin cyle.

    LOL!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    @Jealous U "BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a prayer of beating"

    Since 03 Utah has identical or better records than BYU against Utah St, SDSU and GA Tech. Nice try.

    But you know as well as everyone else that BYU racked up over half their regular season wins against the likes of Weber State, New Mexico State, Hawaii and Idaho. Woohoo

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    U 90

    BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a prayer of beating.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    54-IQ

    It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chest about every Top 25 team the Utes have ever beaten, but then are forced to pretend that actually finishing in the Top 25 means absolutely NOTHING, since Utah has hardly ever managed it.

    What a sad, pathetic conundrum to find yourself constantly being forced to spin your way out of.

    2011 BYU #25/#26 > Utah unranked
    2012 BYU bowl winner > Utah couch potato

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Sammyg

    Just pointing out the irony in your post. You accuse Utah of not being competitive yet your team can't beat the utes. BYU can however rack up 7 regular season wins against an extremely weak schedule. Congrats

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    Duckhunter spends a lot of time throwing stones in his glass house. Whoops there goes another one as Johnny Ragin III decommits from BYU and heads to Cal of the Pac-12.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    Gotta love the record smack when your team plays the bottom half of the WAC every year. Montana has a better record than USC the last 10 years. So what ?

    I guess that is all the mighty have left .

    LOL

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    54-IQ

    In 5 of the last 8 years, BYU has finished with a better record and higher ranking than Utah.

    Obviously, head-to-head match ups aren't the only thing that matters.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Why did you leave Colorado, Cal and WSU off your list...?

    No particular reason: Colorado and WSU are both bottom dwellers with Utah (WSU is right on Utah's heals as far as recruiting), and Cal stomped Utah the last time they played at Cal and Cal had a better recruiting class than the Utes.

    "Before Utah joined the PAC 12, they were 7-3 vs. the conference with lesser rated recruiting classes."

    Utah hasn't had a road win against a PAC 10/12 TEAM with a winning record since the 90's and Utah is 7-11 since joining the PAC 10.2 with no improvement in sight.

    "I asked how BYU compared to another independent?"

    Why is that even relevant?

    BYU hasn't played Navy since 1989 (a game BYU won 31-10), BYU has never played Army, and neither team is on BYU's future schedule. Notre Dame always out recruits BYU, yet BYU has beaten Notre Dame in South Bend and in Provo, and only lost at #3-ranked Notre Dame by a FG in 2012.

    "thanks for confirming that you don't actually support a team,..."

    Two words: READING COMPREHENSION!

    I never confirmed any such thing.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Last 3 year 3 wins > 0 wins.

    Last 11 years 8 wins > 3 wins.

    That's why Ducky. On the field is where it matters.

    Enjoy.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    swoop

    Why in the world would I answer the question that we both know the answer too. Why did you leave Colorado, Cal and WSU off your list; that's curious?

    Before Utah joined the PAC 12, they were 7-3 vs. the conference with lesser rated recruiting classes. Now with better talent, they will compete quite well. Don't let last year fool you. I hope that answers your question and thanks for confirming that you don't actually support a team, just hate Utah. Lota class there Buddy!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 7:16 p.m.

    troy town

    You may want to read the thread before asking the obvious, As swoop asked where Utah ranked against other PAC 12 teams (who cares? off topic); I asked how BYU compared to another independent? Notice I started by posting how Utah and BYU's classes ranked, since there seemed to be so much interest about Utah's class from the usual BYU trolls. BYU fans quickly No one cares to discuss that. I guess it's easier to get the Oregon, Washington's and USCs of the world to fight your battle..

    Phoenix

    A highly ranked rectuiting class and a buck will get you a cup of coffee. I'd rather have a highlyt ranked class then a lower one though. Over time better athletes, make better players, make a better program. Except for Lane Kiffin of course. Ha Ha

    Why are all of you BYU fans so interested in our class? Paranoid or bored? Appers so.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    In commemoration of Brayden Kearsley's commitment to BYU today, I just watched his YouTube highlight video of one game from his senior year in which he had 29 pancakes!

    Be afraid Utes; be very afraid!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "The fact you sight the end of year sagarin rankings is silly, you might as well have shared with us that the Y is the better team because you beat the U on your play station."

    It's silly that Utah fans so casually dismiss Sagarin's final rankings, yet insist on citing stars as if they're hard core provable facts.

    Here's some earth-shattering news for Utah fans. Sagarin's rankings are far more accurate and mathematically provable, than placing random stars next to a 17-year old kid's name will ever be.

    Duckhunter is spot on with his analysis and it's quite obvious that even our crimson-glasses wearing friends on the hill can see it, which is why they so doggedly refuse to admit what they already know to be true - that the number of stars next to an individual recruit's name is simply a guesstimate of the kid's potential, with the margin of error for that guesstimate being HUGE.

    If stars were even close to an accurate projection, the Utes might as well pack it in, because, based on Utah's cumulative stars, they will NEVER win a PAC 10.2 title.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    I do appreciate the desire of the utah "fans" to avoid the question but I'm gonna ask it again because I just love to see the hypocrisy.

    If utah is better than BYU because of recruiting, and BYU has no hope of ever competing with utah because of that recruiting then why is it that utah is going to compete in the pac12 when they are so far behind so many of the other teams in the pac12 in recruiting?

    In the recruiting realm based on the star system utah > BYU is much closer than usc/ucla/oregon/standford > utah. In fact based on those rankings utah fell much farther behind the top half of the pac12 than they did for the last few years. How can utah's 3 star mid level recruits ever hope to compete with those other teams 4-5 star top elite level recruits?

    Why the irrational exuberence for a recruiting class that by utah "fans" own touted ranking system is losing ground to those they claim to be "competing" with?

    Is there an honest utah "fan" out there to answer these vexing questions?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    @vegasute

    Bowl win > no bowl at all

    Winning season > losing season

    Take pride.

    LOL!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    And once again, all the little kitty trollers prove how little they have to be proud of in their on little realm.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    54-IQ

    "A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team who doesn't even have a complete schedule of games to play next year."

    And you would know this how?

    Actually, I've heard that BYU has a 13-game schedule already worked out, but they're waiting to finalize the details before announcing them.

    If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that the MWC just announced their conference divisions and the date of their conference championship game, which happens to be the date BYU was scheduled to play at Hawaii; obviously, that game needs to be rescheduled to a different date.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Notice how swoop never addressed my question either... you asked:

    "Do you actually support a team, or just hate Utah?"

    The answers to your two part question:

    yes and no

    Now answer my questions without straying off topic:

    Where does Utah recruiting rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

    and

    How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute

    "Just like BYU's ranks behind other independents (i.e. Notre Dame)."

    What difference does it make where BYU's recruiting ranks in comparison to other Independents?

    BYU only lost to the Fighting Irish by a FG on their home turf, after leading much of the game, and, BYU hasn't played Navy in decades, and hasn't played Army ever?

    Notre Dame has better recruiting classes than BYU every single year, yet BYU has already beaten Notre Dame in Provo and in South Bend, and nearly beat the Irish again in 2012. The same goes for Texas and Oklahoma. Do you realize that BYU is 4-1 versus Texas and Oklahoma?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 23, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Swoop answered your question with a question (actually two questions), the answers to which, if answered honestly, will give you the answer to your question.

    The real question you should be trying to answer is this:

    What do recruiting rankings and stars really prove?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team who doesn't even have a complete schedule of games to play next year.

    LOL

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    gonefishn

    Have you completely forgotten that San Jose State and all of the other WAC teams on BYU's schedule, with the exception of Utah State, were scheduled as a short-term fix for the huge void in BYU's schedule created when BYU went Independent? To characterize that as BYU scheduling patsies to pad their schedule is at the very least, uninformed, at the most, an outright fabrication and complete distortion of the truth.

    One head-to-head game does not a season make.

    If head-to-head results were the only criteria for judging an entire season,

    Why did Alabama win the national championship in 2012, instead of Texas A&M?
    Why was Oregon ranked higher in the 2012 final polls than Stanford?
    Why wasn't 10-loss Colorado considered a better team than Utah in 2011?
    Why wasn't 10-loss UNLV considered a better team than Utah in 2007?

    Answer those questions honestly and you'll have the answer as to why BYU was still the considered a better team than Utah in 2011 and 2012, despite the results of their head-to-head matchups.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Jealous Y

    Of course Utah's class ranks below (and above) others in the PAC 12; did I say otherwise? Julst like BYU's ranks behind other independents (i.e. Notre Dame). If you or swoop can stay on topic, I'd be more than happy to discuss the recruiting classes and rankiings between the two schools. Instead, you two deflect, and hit the spin cycle. I guess anything but give the Utes credit, right? Notice how swoop never addressed my question either. Stay on topic; it's really not that difficult; unless you have no case or point.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    @Uteanymous
    I understand what you are saying about last year specifically but I specifically said "several years", I am talking about a sample size of 3 plus years. With that said even last year allowed BYU to pad their resume with Hawaii, Weber St, Idaho, and New Mexico St. San Jose St was scheduled as a patsy as well but turned out to be legit.
    The fact is the Y and the U played, one lost and one won. I am simply responding to Jelous U's assertion that the Y lost last year but is still far better. Asinine

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "Nice cherry picking."

    Utah State and San Diego State were both very good teams, and Georgia Tech (winner of an ACC division and bowl winner over USC) was, at the very least, a decent team.

    "The fact you sight [sic] the end of year sagarin rankings is silly,..."

    Really, which rankings should he cite - the bogus pre-season rankings?

    You do realize, don't you, that Sagarin INCLUDES SOS in his rankings.

    So the reality is, IF BYU had played a stronger SOS, their 8-5 record would have placed BYU even higher in Sagarin's rankings than #26.

    It's laughable that a desperate Utah fan would equate Sagarin's rankings to a video game, especially when we all know that you'll be citing Sagarin's SOS rankings next fall so you can beat your chest about the difficulty of Utah's schedule.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    As Duckhunter challenged:

    Still waiting on a Utah fan with the guts to honestly address the questions posed by Swoop:

    Where does Utah [recruiting] rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

    and,

    How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "The pattern of the Y for several years has been to lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers and wins against some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats, ranking and win total."

    I know, it's all about the Y, but, unfortunately for U, you're only partially correct.

    BYU did lose to four Top 25 teams, but they also beat #16 Utah State, ACC division champ Georgia Tech, and MWC co-champ San Diego State.

    In beating Georgia Tech, BYU completely shut down one of the nation's most potent rushing offenses.

    In beating #16 Utah State, BYU held the Aggies to 3 points.

    In losing to #18 Boise State, BYU's defense held Boise State scoreless. The first time Boise State's offense hadn't scored at least one touchdown on the blue turf in almost a decade.

    In fact, BYU's defense only allowed two teams to score more than two touchdowns on them all season long, and most of the touchdowns BYU's defense did give up were on short-yardage situations where BYU's offense turned the ball over deep in BYU territory.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @naval vet and spokane ute

    Of course TheSportsAuthority and Jealous U make some excellent points you both seem to want to avoid. Maybe I can get a straight answer out of one of you.

    Now you tell us ad naseum that utah is superior to BYU and it is because utah has been superior in recruiting. You tell us BYU cannot compete and 8 of 11 would seem to lend some support to your assertions. Yet you tell us that utah is going to compete for the pac12 title despite being badly out recruited by the majority of the pac12. How can we forget the irrational exuberence that preceded this just completed season?

    Now if the star ratings are that important and that accurate how can utah ever hope to be competitive let alone actually win a conference championship? utah doesn't have a recruit over 3 stars this year so based on utah "fan" criteria you guys just fell even further behind the majority of the pac12 in this recruiting cycle. Based on that I see no reason for optimism, but I'm just going on utah "fan" criteria for that conclusion. Tell us why it is different for utah?

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    @Jealous U
    Nice cherry picking.
    The pattern of the Y for several years has been to lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers and wins against some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats, ranking and win total. The fact you sight the end of year sagarin rankings is silly, you might as well have shared with us that the Y is the better team because you beat the U on your play station.
    Even though there are some very bad teams on the Y's schedule in 2013, on balance it is atleast comparable to playing in the pac 12. We will see how the the Y fares.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Nice dodge, but you failed to address either of Swoop's salient questions.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Right on time, and off course, as usual.

    You failed to address the fundamental issue:

    How is Utah going to win the PAC 10.2 South, let alone, the PAC 10.2 championship, if the Utes are consistently out recruited by USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Oregon, Stanford, California, and Washington?

    Since you've already accepted the futility of actually accomplishing your "primary" goal, your "tertiary" goal of beating BYU has really become your primary goal, despite your denials.

    btw, beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and Washington St. are just as important as beating teams in the PAC 10.2 South. Try losing to all of those teams and see what sweeping USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU and Colorado (which will never happen anyway) gets U.

    Sorry to burst your delusional crimson bubble, but USU was easily the best team in the state last season; BYU was 2nd; Utah a distant 3rd.

    Sagarin Final 2012 Rankings
    #19 Utah State
    #26 BYU
    #61 Utah

    Better beat Weber State in September, or you're be sharing the state basement with Dixie State.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Swoop

    Do you actually support a team, or just hate Utah? It appears to be the later, which is really quite sad.......but true.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority:

    "...beating BYU in Utah's September bowl game is Utah's primary focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 is not really a concern for the Utes."

    ...said the perennial whipping boy for the Utes.

    The truth is, Utah's "primary focus" is winning the Pac-12 South. That means USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, and Colorado are all more important games than our mid-majorey little brother. Beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and Washington St. are our secondary focus. Beating the Y -- again -- is tertiary. You guys rank one spot ahead of Weber St, and tied with USU.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Swoop

    The Utah spin machine is currently being recalibrated; will be back online soon. Stay tuned.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Current Class Rankings:

    Per Rivals: USC #7; UCLA #10; Wash #13; Cal #25; Ariz #28; ASU #30; Utah #33

    Per Scout: UCLA #9; USC #10; Wash #11; Ariz #21; Cal #28; Ore #30; ASU #31; OSU #42; Utah #44

    Per 247: USC #10; Wash #13; UCLA #22; Ore #31; Cal #35; ASU #36; Utah #37

    Per ESPN: USC #6; Wash #17; UCLA #21; Ore #22; Cal #28; Ariz #37; Stan #38; Utah (not in Top 40)

    Even more troubling than Utah consistently being in the bottom half of the conference, for Utah fans, is that fellow conference bottom dweller Wash St is right on Utah's heals.

    Of course, since beating BYU in Utah's September bowl game is Utah's primary focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 is not really a concern for the Utes.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    SpokaneUte

    Spin this:

    Where does Utah rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

    and,

    How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

    It's laughable that a fanbase that supposedly "left BYU in the dust" almost three years ago, is still totally obsessed with comparing EVERYTHING Utah does, with BYU, their supposedly irrelevant, Independent, "mid-major", "former" rival.

    Utah fans are all talk, but no walk.

    Call us when you beat your first PAC 10.2 foe with a winning record.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Even when Utah has a horrible year, they still out recruit BYU. It's easy to see why the little fella's down south have so much envy, jealousy and angst.
    Current Class Rankings:
    Per Rivals: Utah #33; BYU #59
    Per Scout: Utah #44; BYU #53
    Per 247: Utah #37; BYU #61
    There's the cue for Ducky, Rockwell, sammyG, and the other jealous folks to turn on the spin cycle.

  • ScooterZG Star, ID
    Jan. 23, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    I might have read it wrong, but he never said Utah would start picking up 4 and 5 star guys at every position every year. He was merely pointing out the fact that when it comes to rivals, the other team will always find ways to criticize the others recruiting class and poke holes in it.

    Neither Utah nor BYU will fill their entire recruiting class with 4 and 5 star talent. Every now and then each team will pull in one or two highly talented guys. BYU with highly rated Tanner Mangum and Jake Heaps, Utah pulled in Kenneth Scott and won a battle over Oklahoma and USC for John Cullen.

    Facts are, despite our recent mediocre seasons in the Pac 12, Utah is beginning to pull in guys who normally would have chosen BYU. If we aren't able to turn around our current conference woes that trend might not continue but on the recruiting front things are much more rosy from the Utah perspective than the BYU perspective, IMO.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    U90

    My comments have nothing to do with BYU as this is a Ute story. I'm simply adding some realism to the delusional post commentary of Utes getting 4 and 5 star recruits.

    The truth kind of hurts doesn't it? Get used to be a doormat.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    The Utes will make it 9 out of 12 this fall against the Y and will get over on them with most recruits but it does not mean much. These recruits need to help the Utes progress in the PAC 12. Beating the Y in anything football related is expected at the U and gaining a quality win in the pac12 is much more important

  • ScooterZG Star, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    Utah and BYU went head to head on 10 recruits. That means fully committable offers, not just interest which I am sure happened with both sides not offering some guys for certain reasons.

    BYU commits:

    Braydon Kearsley - 4 stars (though his commitment is very much up in the air)
    Talon Shumway - 3 stars
    JonRyheem Peoples - 3 stars
    Trent Trammel - 2 stars

    Utah commits:

    Lowell Lotulelei - 3 stars (was a 4 star but got bumped down due to him not participating in some camps and Shrine games)
    Leroy Tanoai - 3 stars
    Davion Orphey - 3 stars (was committed to BYU but switched)
    Harrison Handley - 3 stars (BYU legacy)
    Sam Tevi - 3 stars
    Gains Vaenuku - 3 stars (hasn't committed yet, but Utah is the reported leader and BYU doesn't have much chance if it is to be believed).

    So on two ends of the spectrum if Vaenuku goes Utah and Kearsley decommits it would look like Utah 6, BYU 3. If Vaenuku goes elsewhere and Kearsley stays then its Utah 5, BYU 4.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    @sammyg "The best the Utes will ever do is get that occasional recruit that wants to come to Utah for an academic, loyalty or family reason, not because the Utes are competitive"

    What does that say about the fate of BYU's program/recruits when they can't even beat the lowly, non-competitive, Utes?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    "If Utah ever does get to the point that they're picking up nothing but 4-star and 5-star kids

    Brace yourself sir chicken... Utes are not going to rise to the level of recruiting like USC, Oregon or Stanford. To entertain the thoughts of 'if it ever does' is laughable.

    What 4 or 5 star recruit would want to play for a team that doesn't go bowling when there are plenty of options on the table?

    The best the Utes will ever do is get that occasional recruit that wants to come to Utah for an academic, loyalty or family reason, not because the Utes are competitive. After 2 dismal seasons it's pretty clear where the Utes are going to be in this conference... as many of us have known.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    Also it appears Carlos Henderson, Charles' younger brother, has decided to stay closer to home for college. He and Dean free up two spots with some highly rated players still considering Utah. For most of them, I'd say the Utes are still a longshot, but taking in an official visit has dramatically changed a lot of players' minds before, so you can't rule them out. I would have liked to see the staff go after a placekicker, though

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 22, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Nice try Rockwell - Chase Hansen knows exactly what he is getting himself into and will be a Ute when he comes home. Still sore about Jake Murphy I see! And Star Lotuleilei! And Davion Orphey! And .....

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Meridian, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    Scared Magpie "If Utah ever does get to the point that they're picking up nothing but 4-star and 5-star kids"

    Let me give you several options for finishing that sentence Sir-
    pigs will have flown
    or
    snowmen will be selling snow cones in downtown Phoenix in July
    or
    Washington State will have played in 20 Rose Bowls
    or
    Clark Grizwold will have woken up with his head sewn to the carpet

    There are many more. Be sure and let us know when that happens, OK Robin?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "DJ was a nice pick up. It is too bad he decided to decommit. He has a desire to play QB more than defense and it has been expected for a while that he would decommit."

    Don't be too surprised to see Chase Hansen do the same thing as soon as he returns from his mission to discover that Kyle wants him to play defense.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    FWIW, lil ducky - DJ was a nice pick up. It is too bad he decided to decommit. He has a desire to play QB more than defense and it has been expected for a while that he would decommit. Perhaps his desire to play QB was his drive, but I don't know. Utah filled his spot quite nicely with Corporan, an equally ranked (and taller) player, so we'll be just fine at CB. I wonder what Davion Orphey's drive was to his decommit from byU?

    Thanks for your speculation though, lil one. BTW, where's Fangupo?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    timid sparrow

    BYU fans are simply pointing out how laughably inconsistent Utah fans are in pretending that the Utes are "competing for a Rose Bowl" every year, when it's blatantly obvious that, based on their "stars obsession," the Utes will never stand a chance of ever competing for a Rose Bowl.

    The truth is, the stars system is flawed by the incestuous nature of the rating system, which increases stars "awarded" to players based on which schools are recruiting a certain player, so as soon as a team like USC makes an offer to a recruit, his stars "magically" increase.

    btw, how many 4-star Utah players DIDN'T play in a bowl last season, while all of BYU's walk-ons and 2-stars were enjoying sunny San Diego?

    Stars aren't everything.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    I love how BYU recruiting smack has changed.

    In 2003 it was "haha, you guys can't out-recruit BYU."
    In 2013 it's "well, you're out-recruiting BYU...haha, you guys can't out-recruit USC."

    If Utah ever does get to the point that they're picking up nothing but 4-star and 5-star kids, BYU fans will be here to tell us how we're not out-recruiting the Chicago Bears.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    @Ufan

    "USC has 14 players committed for 2013 - every single one of them is rated 4-stars."

    Actually, 6 of them are 5-star recruits and 8 are 4-star recruits, according to Rivals. USC's recruiting is ridiculous. The fact that they struggled last years means their coaching staff is bad or the sanctions are catching up to them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    "D J Dean is no longer listed as a UTE commit. He decommited and is looking at Arkansas and OK State."

    Que the utah "fans" telling us he wasn't any good anyway and that they really didn't want him.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    D J Dean is no longer listed as a UTE commit. He decommited and is looking at Arkansas and OK State.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    I'd like to see how many 4-star recruits end up playing like 2-star players, and visa versa.

    The odds are better for a team composed entirely of 4-star recruits to be more competitive than a team composed entirely of 2-star recruits, but there's no guarantee that will always be the case.

    USC has 14 players committed for 2013 - every single one of them is rated 4-stars.

    Utah has 28 players committed for 2013 - only one of them is rated 4-stars.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    I'd like to how how many recruits had offers from Utah, byu, and Utah State and how many kids picked Utah, how many picked byu, and how many picked Utah State.

    I think we'd all see that the future of football in Utah,

    is Utah.

    Fall can't come soon enough! Go Utes!

  • Drum and Feather SLC, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    I enjoy reading about these recruits but is a Utah homer from a site called Ute Zone really an unbiased source? I'd like to hear what an outside source has to say about this.