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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 15 2013 5:05 p.m. MST

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Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

SpokaneUte

Spin this:

Where does Utah rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

and,

How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

It's laughable that a fanbase that supposedly "left BYU in the dust" almost three years ago, is still totally obsessed with comparing EVERYTHING Utah does, with BYU, their supposedly irrelevant, Independent, "mid-major", "former" rival.

Utah fans are all talk, but no walk.

Call us when you beat your first PAC 10.2 foe with a winning record.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Current Class Rankings:

Per Rivals: USC #7; UCLA #10; Wash #13; Cal #25; Ariz #28; ASU #30; Utah #33

Per Scout: UCLA #9; USC #10; Wash #11; Ariz #21; Cal #28; Ore #30; ASU #31; OSU #42; Utah #44

Per 247: USC #10; Wash #13; UCLA #22; Ore #31; Cal #35; ASU #36; Utah #37

Per ESPN: USC #6; Wash #17; UCLA #21; Ore #22; Cal #28; Ariz #37; Stan #38; Utah (not in Top 40)

Even more troubling than Utah consistently being in the bottom half of the conference, for Utah fans, is that fellow conference bottom dweller Wash St is right on Utah's heals.

Of course, since beating BYU in Utah's September bowl game is Utah's primary focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 is not really a concern for the Utes.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Swoop

The Utah spin machine is currently being recalibrated; will be back online soon. Stay tuned.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TheSportsAuthority:

"...beating BYU in Utah's September bowl game is Utah's primary focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 is not really a concern for the Utes."

...said the perennial whipping boy for the Utes.

The truth is, Utah's "primary focus" is winning the Pac-12 South. That means USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, and Colorado are all more important games than our mid-majorey little brother. Beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and Washington St. are our secondary focus. Beating the Y -- again -- is tertiary. You guys rank one spot ahead of Weber St, and tied with USU.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Swoop

Do you actually support a team, or just hate Utah? It appears to be the later, which is really quite sad.......but true.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

Naval Vet

Right on time, and off course, as usual.

You failed to address the fundamental issue:

How is Utah going to win the PAC 10.2 South, let alone, the PAC 10.2 championship, if the Utes are consistently out recruited by USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Oregon, Stanford, California, and Washington?

Since you've already accepted the futility of actually accomplishing your "primary" goal, your "tertiary" goal of beating BYU has really become your primary goal, despite your denials.

btw, beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and Washington St. are just as important as beating teams in the PAC 10.2 South. Try losing to all of those teams and see what sweeping USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU and Colorado (which will never happen anyway) gets U.

Sorry to burst your delusional crimson bubble, but USU was easily the best team in the state last season; BYU was 2nd; Utah a distant 3rd.

Sagarin Final 2012 Rankings
#19 Utah State
#26 BYU
#61 Utah

Better beat Weber State in September, or you're be sharing the state basement with Dixie State.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

Spokane Ute

Nice dodge, but you failed to address either of Swoop's salient questions.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@Jealous U
Nice cherry picking.
The pattern of the Y for several years has been to lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers and wins against some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats, ranking and win total. The fact you sight the end of year sagarin rankings is silly, you might as well have shared with us that the Y is the better team because you beat the U on your play station.
Even though there are some very bad teams on the Y's schedule in 2013, on balance it is atleast comparable to playing in the pac 12. We will see how the the Y fares.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval vet and spokane ute

Of course TheSportsAuthority and Jealous U make some excellent points you both seem to want to avoid. Maybe I can get a straight answer out of one of you.

Now you tell us ad naseum that utah is superior to BYU and it is because utah has been superior in recruiting. You tell us BYU cannot compete and 8 of 11 would seem to lend some support to your assertions. Yet you tell us that utah is going to compete for the pac12 title despite being badly out recruited by the majority of the pac12. How can we forget the irrational exuberence that preceded this just completed season?

Now if the star ratings are that important and that accurate how can utah ever hope to be competitive let alone actually win a conference championship? utah doesn't have a recruit over 3 stars this year so based on utah "fan" criteria you guys just fell even further behind the majority of the pac12 in this recruiting cycle. Based on that I see no reason for optimism, but I'm just going on utah "fan" criteria for that conclusion. Tell us why it is different for utah?

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

gonefishn

"The pattern of the Y for several years has been to lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers and wins against some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats, ranking and win total."

I know, it's all about the Y, but, unfortunately for U, you're only partially correct.

BYU did lose to four Top 25 teams, but they also beat #16 Utah State, ACC division champ Georgia Tech, and MWC co-champ San Diego State.

In beating Georgia Tech, BYU completely shut down one of the nation's most potent rushing offenses.

In beating #16 Utah State, BYU held the Aggies to 3 points.

In losing to #18 Boise State, BYU's defense held Boise State scoreless. The first time Boise State's offense hadn't scored at least one touchdown on the blue turf in almost a decade.

In fact, BYU's defense only allowed two teams to score more than two touchdowns on them all season long, and most of the touchdowns BYU's defense did give up were on short-yardage situations where BYU's offense turned the ball over deep in BYU territory.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

As Duckhunter challenged:

Still waiting on a Utah fan with the guts to honestly address the questions posed by Swoop:

Where does Utah [recruiting] rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

and,

How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

gonefishn

"Nice cherry picking."

Utah State and San Diego State were both very good teams, and Georgia Tech (winner of an ACC division and bowl winner over USC) was, at the very least, a decent team.

"The fact you sight [sic] the end of year sagarin rankings is silly,..."

Really, which rankings should he cite - the bogus pre-season rankings?

You do realize, don't you, that Sagarin INCLUDES SOS in his rankings.

So the reality is, IF BYU had played a stronger SOS, their 8-5 record would have placed BYU even higher in Sagarin's rankings than #26.

It's laughable that a desperate Utah fan would equate Sagarin's rankings to a video game, especially when we all know that you'll be citing Sagarin's SOS rankings next fall so you can beat your chest about the difficulty of Utah's schedule.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@Uteanymous
I understand what you are saying about last year specifically but I specifically said "several years", I am talking about a sample size of 3 plus years. With that said even last year allowed BYU to pad their resume with Hawaii, Weber St, Idaho, and New Mexico St. San Jose St was scheduled as a patsy as well but turned out to be legit.
The fact is the Y and the U played, one lost and one won. I am simply responding to Jelous U's assertion that the Y lost last year but is still far better. Asinine

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Jealous Y

Of course Utah's class ranks below (and above) others in the PAC 12; did I say otherwise? Julst like BYU's ranks behind other independents (i.e. Notre Dame). If you or swoop can stay on topic, I'd be more than happy to discuss the recruiting classes and rankiings between the two schools. Instead, you two deflect, and hit the spin cycle. I guess anything but give the Utes credit, right? Notice how swoop never addressed my question either. Stay on topic; it's really not that difficult; unless you have no case or point.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

gonefishn

Have you completely forgotten that San Jose State and all of the other WAC teams on BYU's schedule, with the exception of Utah State, were scheduled as a short-term fix for the huge void in BYU's schedule created when BYU went Independent? To characterize that as BYU scheduling patsies to pad their schedule is at the very least, uninformed, at the most, an outright fabrication and complete distortion of the truth.

One head-to-head game does not a season make.

If head-to-head results were the only criteria for judging an entire season,

Why did Alabama win the national championship in 2012, instead of Texas A&M?
Why was Oregon ranked higher in the 2012 final polls than Stanford?
Why wasn't 10-loss Colorado considered a better team than Utah in 2011?
Why wasn't 10-loss UNLV considered a better team than Utah in 2007?

Answer those questions honestly and you'll have the answer as to why BYU was still the considered a better team than Utah in 2011 and 2012, despite the results of their head-to-head matchups.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team who doesn't even have a complete schedule of games to play next year.

LOL

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Spokane Ute

Swoop answered your question with a question (actually two questions), the answers to which, if answered honestly, will give you the answer to your question.

The real question you should be trying to answer is this:

What do recruiting rankings and stars really prove?

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

@Spokane Ute

"Just like BYU's ranks behind other independents (i.e. Notre Dame)."

What difference does it make where BYU's recruiting ranks in comparison to other Independents?

BYU only lost to the Fighting Irish by a FG on their home turf, after leading much of the game, and, BYU hasn't played Navy in decades, and hasn't played Army ever?

Notre Dame has better recruiting classes than BYU every single year, yet BYU has already beaten Notre Dame in Provo and in South Bend, and nearly beat the Irish again in 2012. The same goes for Texas and Oklahoma. Do you realize that BYU is 4-1 versus Texas and Oklahoma?

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Spokane Ute

Notice how swoop never addressed my question either... you asked:

"Do you actually support a team, or just hate Utah?"

The answers to your two part question:

yes and no

Now answer my questions without straying off topic:

Where does Utah recruiting rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?

and

How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

54-IQ

"A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team who doesn't even have a complete schedule of games to play next year."

And you would know this how?

Actually, I've heard that BYU has a 13-game schedule already worked out, but they're waiting to finalize the details before announcing them.

If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that the MWC just announced their conference divisions and the date of their conference championship game, which happens to be the date BYU was scheduled to play at Hawaii; obviously, that game needs to be rescheduled to a different date.

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