VegasUteFACTS, and a reality check, that apparently continue to
befuddle the kids on the hill.BYU continues to have better overall
seasons than Utah.Utah continues its steady decline since peaking in
2008.Can't wait to see how the kids on the hill spin 3-9 and a
loss to BYU, after signing three straight PAC 10.2-calibre recruiting classes.
Spokane Ute:"Can't you guys be accurate, or is everythng a
spin game?"Uh - no and yes!"Utah has two BSC
bowl victories. Utah has beaten byU 8 of the last 11 meetings. My origional
point, Utah continues to out recruit byU."Why confuse them with
facts and reality? Geez, Spokane, haven't you learned anything yet?
Lil ducky - you are sooo obsessed with trolling Utah stories - what are you
trying to make up for? Nobody outside of Utah County give any credence to
rantings and your predictions (Fangupo) are suspect at best.You are
entertaining, though. Keep on spreading your hatred for the U, we all need a
good laugh!!Go Utes!!BTW - byU's
"recommitment" keeps them solidly at the #64 recruiting class by Rivals,
and they are significantly lower than Utah by EVERY other reporting service.
Yet the kitty trollers are here in droves mocking Utah's recruiting class.
"BYU won a National Championship, but not under a BSC format"The PAC 10/10.2 has never won a National Championship under the BCS format
either.So what's your point?
U 90"BYU beat the Aggies while Utah lost to them, however
didn't BYU lose to Utah?"Which best win was more
impressive?BYU's win over #16 Utah State(11-2)orUtah's win over unranked BYU(8-5)Utah racked up almost all of
their wins against the likes of FCS No. Colorado(5-6), California(3-9),
Washington State(3-9), and Colorado(1-11) - combined record of FBS teams (7-29)
- impressive!It's easy to see why Sagarin ranked BYU #26 and
KilarnyGreat spin job, but let's at least be accurate. Georgia
Tech finished 7-7; that's not a "winning" record; it's a .500
record. A winning record indicates you have won more games then lost. Pretty
simple. The Utah State win was not on the "road"; like I
asked. Another simple concept. Can't you guys be accurate, or
is everythng a spin game?Utah has gained a huge TV contract, plus a
nice Sun Bowl victory, against a Georgia Tech team that actully had a winning
record. Enough is enough, in conclusion. BYU has more top 25
rankings. BYU went to a bowl this year, Utah didn't. BYU won a National
Championship, but not under a BSC format (beat a 6-6 Michigan team)Utah has two BSC bowl victories. Utah has beaten BYU 8 of the last 11
meetings. My origional point, Utah continues to our recruit BYU. Hopefully BYU fans (Utah Haters) can find someone else to pick a fight with.
I'm done.Everyone have a good day; and GO UTES!
Spokane Ute"Who currently has the higher ranked recruiting
class?"Since you've already posted the answer, I'd
suggest scrolling back a page or two to refresh your memory."...when was the last time BYU beat a BCS school, with a winning record,
on the road?"BYU beat ACC division winner Georgia Tech(7-7) on
the road - the 4th best rushing team in the country and a team that dominated
USC in the Sun Bowl.Forget labels, which don't really indicate
whether a team was any good during a particular season.When was the
last time Utah and BYU beat a Top 25 team?Answer:BYU -
2012 - #16/#16 Utah StateUtah - 2011 - ur/#25 BYUNot
surprising, Utah's greatest accomplishment since joining the PAC 10.2, is
beating BYU.So what has Utah really gained by joining the PAC
10.2?A chance to play their bowl game against BYU in September so
the Utes can watch bowl week from the comfort of their own living room?
Just the FictionI have no idea, and conversely, when was the last
time BYU beat a BCS school, with a winning record, on the road? Face it;
it's been a while for both schools. While se are asking questions; when was
the last time BYU won a BCS bowl? Beat an SEC team with a winning record?
Actually beat Utah? Now lets stay on topic. Who
currently has the higher ranked recruiting class? That was my point to begin
with. Why do BYU fans refuse to answer the only question that relates there
school, to the subject matter? Now that's curious.
Spokane Ute"Actually, Utah stacks up just fine against those
schools..."You're only fooling yourself. The
only time Utah stacks up "just fine" against "those" teams is
when they're having a losing season; and even then, Utah still manages to
embarrass itself - see 10-loss Colorado at home.I hope that helps
educate U about your own team.Here's a little Utah history quiz
for you: When was the last time Utah won a road game against a PAC
12 team with a winning record?A road game, by the way, is a game
played in the other team's home stadium.
Not obssessed at all. No need to use CAPS, your obsession with Utah football is
so noted. Actually, Utah stacks up just fine against those schools; having split
against Arizona, UCLA and Cal; and sweept WSU. We haven' played Oregon or
Stanford since joining the conference. I hope that helps with your education and
understanding of Utah football.
LCBSoCal"It's funny to watch BYU fans predicting a dire
future for Utah..."Utah's track record of being a
conference bottom dweller or conference also ran for most of the last 60 years
is a much more reasonable predictor of Utah's future, than Utah's
momentary flashes of brilliance during the mid-2000s.The Utes have
been in steady decline since they hit their peak in 2008.
U 90"Since 03 Utah has identical or better records than BYU
against Utah St, SDSU and GA Tech. Nice try."LOL!You're seriously going to try to spin that Utah State, SDSU and Georgia
Tech have been consistently as good each season since 2003 as each of those
teams was this season?No wonder Utah fans are so clueless when it
comes to understanding the difference between being a perennial Top 25 team,
like BYU, and an occassional Top 25 team, like Utah.-------Spokane UteSince Utah only plays BYU TWICE in the next four years,
while playing at least 36 games against PAC 10.2 teams, comparing how Utah
stacks up against USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Arizona, ASU, Cal,
WSU and Colorado is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than how Utah and BYU compare.Of course, if you're like most Utah fans who are totally and completely
obsessed with beating BYU, I guess how Utah compares to their big brother is
U 90You are spot on. Insecurity, with a twist of jealousy. Notice
how the thread about Utah's 2013 Recruiting Class, turns into a we have
more top 25 finish thread? Never a BCS victory, or who's beat who over the
last 10 year thread....and of course they won't compare recruiting classes;
which is the topic at hand. Now that's curious. Have a good one Guy and GO
@ Jealous U "BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San
Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a
prayer of beating"Yes, BYU beat the Aggies while Utah lost to
them, however didn't BYU lose to Utah? So what's your point. Since
2003 Utah has an equal or better record against Utah St, GA Tech and SDSU. So
what's your point? Everyone knows that over half of BYU's regular
season wins last season came at the hands of New Mexico State, Hawaii, Idaho and
Weber State. So why do you and you pals feel the need to come on to a Utah
thread to try and validate your team.... insecurity got the best of you?
JealousNo, what's truely laughable is how BYU fans flock to
Utah threads and try to defend there program against Utah's. Now le't
stay on topic. The subject is "Utah's Recruiting Class". Who has
the higher ranked class; Utah or BYU? Now don't skirt the question; just
answer it. No need to go way off on a tangent. Stay focused Guy!
It's funny to watch BYU fans predicting a dire future for Utah. Some
things never change.
SwoopYou are really struggling with the concept. You ask me how
other PAC 12 schools compare. I say it's irrealavent. I brought up
Utah's class rankings vs. BYU's. Then you ask how Notre Dame's is
realavent. Well, it's about as relavent to BYU's as USC's is to
Utah's. Of course some PAC 12 schools have a better class, and some
don't. It's curious how you didn't mention the ones with a lower
ranking though; typical. So let's stay on subject. Who has a better class,
Utah or BYU? Quick to the spin cyle.LOL!
@Jealous U "BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San
Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a
prayer of beating"Since 03 Utah has identical or better records
than BYU against Utah St, SDSU and GA Tech. Nice try.But you know
as well as everyone else that BYU racked up over half their regular season wins
against the likes of Weber State, New Mexico State, Hawaii and Idaho. Woohoo
U 90BYU racked up wins over #16 Utah State, Georgia Tech, and San
Diego State, teams the sorry Utes either lost to or wouldn't have had a
prayer of beating.
54-IQ It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chest about
every Top 25 team the Utes have ever beaten, but then are forced to pretend that
actually finishing in the Top 25 means absolutely NOTHING, since Utah has hardly
ever managed it.What a sad, pathetic conundrum to find yourself
constantly being forced to spin your way out of.2011 BYU #25/#26
> Utah unranked2012 BYU bowl winner > Utah couch potato
SammygJust pointing out the irony in your post. You accuse Utah of
not being competitive yet your team can't beat the utes. BYU can however
rack up 7 regular season wins against an extremely weak schedule. Congrats
Duckhunter spends a lot of time throwing stones in his glass house. Whoops
there goes another one as Johnny Ragin III decommits from BYU and heads to Cal
of the Pac-12.
Gotta love the record smack when your team plays the bottom half of the WAC
every year. Montana has a better record than USC the last 10 years. So what
?I guess that is all the mighty have left .LOL
54-IQIn 5 of the last 8 years, BYU has finished with a better record
and higher ranking than Utah.Obviously, head-to-head match ups
aren't the only thing that matters.
Spokane Ute"Why did you leave Colorado, Cal and WSU off your
list...?No particular reason: Colorado and WSU are both bottom
dwellers with Utah (WSU is right on Utah's heals as far as recruiting), and
Cal stomped Utah the last time they played at Cal and Cal had a better
recruiting class than the Utes."Before Utah joined the PAC 12,
they were 7-3 vs. the conference with lesser rated recruiting classes."Utah hasn't had a road win against a PAC 10/12 TEAM with a winning
record since the 90's and Utah is 7-11 since joining the PAC 10.2 with no
improvement in sight."I asked how BYU compared to another
independent?"Why is that even relevant? BYU
hasn't played Navy since 1989 (a game BYU won 31-10), BYU has never played
Army, and neither team is on BYU's future schedule. Notre Dame always out
recruits BYU, yet BYU has beaten Notre Dame in South Bend and in Provo, and only
lost at #3-ranked Notre Dame by a FG in 2012."thanks for
confirming that you don't actually support a team,..."Two
words: READING COMPREHENSION!I never confirmed any such thing.
Last 3 year 3 wins > 0 wins. Last 11 years 8 wins > 3 wins.
That's why Ducky. On the field is where it matters. Enjoy.
swoopWhy in the world would I answer the question that we both know
the answer too. Why did you leave Colorado, Cal and WSU off your list;
that's curious?Before Utah joined the PAC 12, they were 7-3 vs.
the conference with lesser rated recruiting classes. Now with better talent,
they will compete quite well. Don't let last year fool you. I hope that
answers your question and thanks for confirming that you don't actually
support a team, just hate Utah. Lota class there Buddy!
troy townYou may want to read the thread before asking the obvious,
As swoop asked where Utah ranked against other PAC 12 teams (who cares? off
topic); I asked how BYU compared to another independent? Notice I started by
posting how Utah and BYU's classes ranked, since there seemed to be so much
interest about Utah's class from the usual BYU trolls. BYU fans quickly No
one cares to discuss that. I guess it's easier to get the Oregon,
Washington's and USCs of the world to fight your battle.. PhoenixA highly ranked rectuiting class and a buck will get you a
cup of coffee. I'd rather have a highlyt ranked class then a lower one
though. Over time better athletes, make better players, make a better program.
Except for Lane Kiffin of course. Ha HaWhy are all of you BYU fans
so interested in our class? Paranoid or bored? Appers so.
In commemoration of Brayden Kearsley's commitment to BYU today, I just
watched his YouTube highlight video of one game from his senior year in which he
had 29 pancakes!Be afraid Utes; be very afraid!
gonefishn"The fact you sight the end of year sagarin rankings is
silly, you might as well have shared with us that the Y is the better team
because you beat the U on your play station."It's silly
that Utah fans so casually dismiss Sagarin's final rankings, yet insist on
citing stars as if they're hard core provable facts.Here's
some earth-shattering news for Utah fans. Sagarin's rankings are far more
accurate and mathematically provable, than placing random stars next to a
17-year old kid's name will ever be.Duckhunter is spot on with
his analysis and it's quite obvious that even our crimson-glasses wearing
friends on the hill can see it, which is why they so doggedly refuse to admit
what they already know to be true - that the number of stars next to an
individual recruit's name is simply a guesstimate of the kid's
potential, with the margin of error for that guesstimate being HUGE.If stars were even close to an accurate projection, the Utes might as well
pack it in, because, based on Utah's cumulative stars, they will NEVER win
a PAC 10.2 title.
I do appreciate the desire of the utah "fans" to avoid the question but
I'm gonna ask it again because I just love to see the hypocrisy.If utah is better than BYU because of recruiting, and BYU has no hope of ever
competing with utah because of that recruiting then why is it that utah is going
to compete in the pac12 when they are so far behind so many of the other teams
in the pac12 in recruiting? In the recruiting realm based on the
star system utah > BYU is much closer than usc/ucla/oregon/standford >
utah. In fact based on those rankings utah fell much farther behind the top half
of the pac12 than they did for the last few years. How can utah's 3 star
mid level recruits ever hope to compete with those other teams 4-5 star top
elite level recruits?Why the irrational exuberence for a recruiting
class that by utah "fans" own touted ranking system is losing ground to
those they claim to be "competing" with?Is there an honest
utah "fan" out there to answer these vexing questions?
@vegasuteBowl win > no bowl at allWinning season
> losing seasonTake pride.LOL!
And once again, all the little kitty trollers prove how little they have to be
proud of in their on little realm.
54-IQ"A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team
who doesn't even have a complete schedule of games to play next
year."And you would know this how?Actually,
I've heard that BYU has a 13-game schedule already worked out, but
they're waiting to finalize the details before announcing them.If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that the MWC just
announced their conference divisions and the date of their conference
championship game, which happens to be the date BYU was scheduled to play at
Hawaii; obviously, that game needs to be rescheduled to a different date.
Spokane UteNotice how swoop never addressed my question either...
you asked: "Do you actually support a team, or just hate
Utah?"The answers to your two part question: yes and
noNow answer my questions without straying off topic:Where does Utah recruiting rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona,
Stanford, and Washington?andHow is Utah EVER going to be
competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better
recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?
@Spokane Ute"Just like BYU's ranks behind other
independents (i.e. Notre Dame)."What difference does it make
where BYU's recruiting ranks in comparison to other Independents?BYU only lost to the Fighting Irish by a FG on their home turf, after leading
much of the game, and, BYU hasn't played Navy in decades, and hasn't
played Army ever?Notre Dame has better recruiting classes than BYU
every single year, yet BYU has already beaten Notre Dame in Provo and in South
Bend, and nearly beat the Irish again in 2012. The same goes for Texas and
Oklahoma. Do you realize that BYU is 4-1 versus Texas and Oklahoma?
Spokane UteSwoop answered your question with a question (actually
two questions), the answers to which, if answered honestly, will give you the
answer to your question.The real question you should be trying to
answer is this:What do recruiting rankings and stars really prove?
A lot of talk on here from a "fan" base for a team who doesn't even
have a complete schedule of games to play next year.LOL
gonefishnHave you completely forgotten that San Jose State and all
of the other WAC teams on BYU's schedule, with the exception of Utah State,
were scheduled as a short-term fix for the huge void in BYU's schedule
created when BYU went Independent? To characterize that as BYU scheduling
patsies to pad their schedule is at the very least, uninformed, at the most, an
outright fabrication and complete distortion of the truth.One
head-to-head game does not a season make. If head-to-head results
were the only criteria for judging an entire season, Why did Alabama
win the national championship in 2012, instead of Texas A&M? Why was
Oregon ranked higher in the 2012 final polls than Stanford? Why
wasn't 10-loss Colorado considered a better team than Utah in 2011?Why wasn't 10-loss UNLV considered a better team than Utah in 2007?Answer those questions honestly and you'll have the answer as to
why BYU was still the considered a better team than Utah in 2011 and 2012,
despite the results of their head-to-head matchups.
Jealous YOf course Utah's class ranks below (and above) others
in the PAC 12; did I say otherwise? Julst like BYU's ranks behind other
independents (i.e. Notre Dame). If you or swoop can stay on topic, I'd be
more than happy to discuss the recruiting classes and rankiings between the two
schools. Instead, you two deflect, and hit the spin cycle. I guess anything but
give the Utes credit, right? Notice how swoop never addressed my question
either. Stay on topic; it's really not that difficult; unless you have no
case or point.
@UteanymousI understand what you are saying about last year specifically
but I specifically said "several years", I am talking about a sample
size of 3 plus years. With that said even last year allowed BYU to pad their
resume with Hawaii, Weber St, Idaho, and New Mexico St. San Jose St was
scheduled as a patsy as well but turned out to be legit.The fact is the Y
and the U played, one lost and one won. I am simply responding to Jelous
U's assertion that the Y lost last year but is still far better. Asinine
gonefishn"Nice cherry picking."Utah State and
San Diego State were both very good teams, and Georgia Tech (winner of an ACC
division and bowl winner over USC) was, at the very least, a decent team."The fact you sight [sic] the end of year sagarin rankings is
silly,..."Really, which rankings should he cite - the bogus
pre-season rankings? You do realize, don't you, that Sagarin
INCLUDES SOS in his rankings.So the reality is, IF BYU had played a
stronger SOS, their 8-5 record would have placed BYU even higher in
Sagarin's rankings than #26.It's laughable that a
desperate Utah fan would equate Sagarin's rankings to a video game,
especially when we all know that you'll be citing Sagarin's SOS
rankings next fall so you can beat your chest about the difficulty of
As Duckhunter challenged:Still waiting on a Utah fan with the guts
to honestly address the questions posed by Swoop:Where does Utah
[recruiting] rank in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and
Washington?and,How is Utah EVER going to be competitive
in the PAC 10.2, when at least half the conference has a better recruiting class
EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the Utes?
gonefishn"The pattern of the Y for several years has been to
lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers and wins against
some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats, ranking and win
total."I know, it's all about the Y, but, unfortunately for
U, you're only partially correct.BYU did lose to four Top 25
teams, but they also beat #16 Utah State, ACC division champ Georgia Tech, and
MWC co-champ San Diego State.In beating Georgia Tech, BYU completely
shut down one of the nation's most potent rushing offenses.In
beating #16 Utah State, BYU held the Aggies to 3 points.In losing to
#18 Boise State, BYU's defense held Boise State scoreless. The first time
Boise State's offense hadn't scored at least one touchdown on the blue
turf in almost a decade.In fact, BYU's defense only allowed two
teams to score more than two touchdowns on them all season long, and most of the
touchdowns BYU's defense did give up were on short-yardage situations where
BYU's offense turned the ball over deep in BYU territory.
@naval vet and spokane uteOf course TheSportsAuthority and Jealous U
make some excellent points you both seem to want to avoid. Maybe I can get a
straight answer out of one of you.Now you tell us ad naseum that
utah is superior to BYU and it is because utah has been superior in recruiting.
You tell us BYU cannot compete and 8 of 11 would seem to lend some support to
your assertions. Yet you tell us that utah is going to compete for the pac12
title despite being badly out recruited by the majority of the pac12. How can we
forget the irrational exuberence that preceded this just completed season?Now if the star ratings are that important and that accurate how can
utah ever hope to be competitive let alone actually win a conference
championship? utah doesn't have a recruit over 3 stars this year so based
on utah "fan" criteria you guys just fell even further behind the
majority of the pac12 in this recruiting cycle. Based on that I see no reason
for optimism, but I'm just going on utah "fan" criteria for that
conclusion. Tell us why it is different for utah?
@Jealous UNice cherry picking. The pattern of the Y for several
years has been to lose to any decent team on their schedule and put up numbers
and wins against some flat out bad teams which allows them to pad their stats,
ranking and win total. The fact you sight the end of year sagarin rankings is
silly, you might as well have shared with us that the Y is the better team
because you beat the U on your play station.Even though there are some
very bad teams on the Y's schedule in 2013, on balance it is atleast
comparable to playing in the pac 12. We will see how the the Y fares.
Spokane UteNice dodge, but you failed to address either of
Swoop's salient questions.
Naval VetRight on time, and off course, as usual.You
failed to address the fundamental issue:How is Utah going to win the
PAC 10.2 South, let alone, the PAC 10.2 championship, if the Utes are
consistently out recruited by USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Oregon, Stanford,
California, and Washington?Since you've already accepted the
futility of actually accomplishing your "primary" goal, your
"tertiary" goal of beating BYU has really become your primary goal,
despite your denials.btw, beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and
Washington St. are just as important as beating teams in the PAC 10.2 South. Try
losing to all of those teams and see what sweeping USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU and
Colorado (which will never happen anyway) gets U.Sorry to burst your
delusional crimson bubble, but USU was easily the best team in the state last
season; BYU was 2nd; Utah a distant 3rd.Sagarin Final 2012
Rankings#19 Utah State#26 BYU#61 UtahBetter beat
Weber State in September, or you're be sharing the state basement with
SwoopDo you actually support a team, or just hate Utah? It appears
to be the later, which is really quite sad.......but true.
TheSportsAuthority:"...beating BYU in Utah's September bowl
game is Utah's primary focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big
boys of the PAC 10.2 is not really a concern for the Utes."...said the perennial whipping boy for the Utes. The truth is,
Utah's "primary focus" is winning the Pac-12 South. That means
USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, and Colorado are all more important games than our
mid-majorey little brother. Beating Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, and Washington
St. are our secondary focus. Beating the Y -- again -- is tertiary. You guys
rank one spot ahead of Weber St, and tied with USU.
SwoopThe Utah spin machine is currently being recalibrated; will be
back online soon. Stay tuned.
Current Class Rankings:Per Rivals: USC #7; UCLA #10; Wash #13; Cal
#25; Ariz #28; ASU #30; Utah #33Per Scout: UCLA #9; USC #10; Wash
#11; Ariz #21; Cal #28; Ore #30; ASU #31; OSU #42; Utah #44Per 247:
USC #10; Wash #13; UCLA #22; Ore #31; Cal #35; ASU #36; Utah #37Per
ESPN: USC #6; Wash #17; UCLA #21; Ore #22; Cal #28; Ariz #37; Stan #38; Utah
(not in Top 40)Even more troubling than Utah consistently being in
the bottom half of the conference, for Utah fans, is that fellow conference
bottom dweller Wash St is right on Utah's heals.Of course,
since beating BYU in Utah's September bowl game is Utah's primary
focus, being a perennial whipping boy for the big boys of the PAC 10.2 is not
really a concern for the Utes.
SpokaneUteSpin this:Where does Utah rank in comparison
to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, and Washington?and,How is Utah EVER going to be competitive in the PAC 10.2, when at least
half the conference has a better recruiting class EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than the
Utes?It's laughable that a fanbase that supposedly "left
BYU in the dust" almost three years ago, is still totally obsessed with
comparing EVERYTHING Utah does, with BYU, their supposedly irrelevant,
Independent, "mid-major", "former" rival.Utah fans
are all talk, but no walk.Call us when you beat your first PAC 10.2
foe with a winning record.
Even when Utah has a horrible year, they still out recruit BYU. It's easy
to see why the little fella's down south have so much envy, jealousy and
angst. Current Class Rankings:Per Rivals: Utah #33; BYU #59Per
Scout: Utah #44; BYU #53Per 247: Utah #37; BYU #61There's the
cue for Ducky, Rockwell, sammyG, and the other jealous folks to turn on the spin
I might have read it wrong, but he never said Utah would start picking up 4 and
5 star guys at every position every year. He was merely pointing out the fact
that when it comes to rivals, the other team will always find ways to criticize
the others recruiting class and poke holes in it.Neither Utah nor
BYU will fill their entire recruiting class with 4 and 5 star talent. Every now
and then each team will pull in one or two highly talented guys. BYU with
highly rated Tanner Mangum and Jake Heaps, Utah pulled in Kenneth Scott and won
a battle over Oklahoma and USC for John Cullen.Facts are, despite
our recent mediocre seasons in the Pac 12, Utah is beginning to pull in guys who
normally would have chosen BYU. If we aren't able to turn around our
current conference woes that trend might not continue but on the recruiting
front things are much more rosy from the Utah perspective than the BYU
U90My comments have nothing to do with BYU as this is a Ute story.
I'm simply adding some realism to the delusional post commentary of Utes
getting 4 and 5 star recruits.The truth kind of hurts doesn't
it? Get used to be a doormat.
The Utes will make it 9 out of 12 this fall against the Y and will get over on
them with most recruits but it does not mean much. These recruits need to help
the Utes progress in the PAC 12. Beating the Y in anything football related is
expected at the U and gaining a quality win in the pac12 is much more important
Utah and BYU went head to head on 10 recruits. That means fully committable
offers, not just interest which I am sure happened with both sides not offering
some guys for certain reasons.BYU commits:Braydon
Kearsley - 4 stars (though his commitment is very much up in the air)Talon
Shumway - 3 starsJonRyheem Peoples - 3 starsTrent Trammel - 2
starsUtah commits:Lowell Lotulelei - 3 stars (was a 4
star but got bumped down due to him not participating in some camps and Shrine
games)Leroy Tanoai - 3 starsDavion Orphey - 3 stars (was committed
to BYU but switched)Harrison Handley - 3 stars (BYU legacy)Sam Tevi
- 3 starsGains Vaenuku - 3 stars (hasn't committed yet, but Utah is
the reported leader and BYU doesn't have much chance if it is to be
believed).So on two ends of the spectrum if Vaenuku goes Utah and
Kearsley decommits it would look like Utah 6, BYU 3. If Vaenuku goes elsewhere
and Kearsley stays then its Utah 5, BYU 4.
@sammyg "The best the Utes will ever do is get that occasional recruit
that wants to come to Utah for an academic, loyalty or family reason, not
because the Utes are competitive"What does that say about the
fate of BYU's program/recruits when they can't even beat the lowly,
"If Utah ever does get to the point that they're picking up nothing but
4-star and 5-star kidsBrace yourself sir chicken... Utes are not
going to rise to the level of recruiting like USC, Oregon or Stanford. To
entertain the thoughts of 'if it ever does' is laughable.What 4 or 5 star recruit would want to play for a team that doesn't go
bowling when there are plenty of options on the table?The best the
Utes will ever do is get that occasional recruit that wants to come to Utah for
an academic, loyalty or family reason, not because the Utes are competitive.
After 2 dismal seasons it's pretty clear where the Utes are going to be in
this conference... as many of us have known.
Also it appears Carlos Henderson, Charles' younger brother, has decided to
stay closer to home for college. He and Dean free up two spots with some highly
rated players still considering Utah. For most of them, I'd say the Utes
are still a longshot, but taking in an official visit has dramatically changed a
lot of players' minds before, so you can't rule them out. I would have
liked to see the staff go after a placekicker, though
Nice try Rockwell - Chase Hansen knows exactly what he is getting himself into
and will be a Ute when he comes home. Still sore about Jake Murphy I see! And
Star Lotuleilei! And Davion Orphey! And .....
Scared Magpie "If Utah ever does get to the point that they're picking
up nothing but 4-star and 5-star kids"Let me give you several
options for finishing that sentence Sir-pigs will have flownorsnowmen will be selling snow cones in downtown Phoenix in JulyorWashington State will have played in 20 Rose BowlsorClark Grizwold
will have woken up with his head sewn to the carpetThere are many
more. Be sure and let us know when that happens, OK Robin?
VegasUte"DJ was a nice pick up. It is too bad he decided to
decommit. He has a desire to play QB more than defense and it has been expected
for a while that he would decommit."Don't be too surprised
to see Chase Hansen do the same thing as soon as he returns from his mission to
discover that Kyle wants him to play defense.
FWIW, lil ducky - DJ was a nice pick up. It is too bad he decided to decommit.
He has a desire to play QB more than defense and it has been expected for a
while that he would decommit. Perhaps his desire to play QB was his drive, but
I don't know. Utah filled his spot quite nicely with Corporan, an equally
ranked (and taller) player, so we'll be just fine at CB. I wonder what
Davion Orphey's drive was to his decommit from byU?Thanks for
your speculation though, lil one. BTW, where's Fangupo?
timid sparrowBYU fans are simply pointing out how laughably
inconsistent Utah fans are in pretending that the Utes are "competing for a
Rose Bowl" every year, when it's blatantly obvious that, based on their
"stars obsession," the Utes will never stand a chance of ever competing
for a Rose Bowl.The truth is, the stars system is flawed by the
incestuous nature of the rating system, which increases stars "awarded"
to players based on which schools are recruiting a certain player, so as soon as
a team like USC makes an offer to a recruit, his stars "magically"
increase.btw, how many 4-star Utah players DIDN'T play in a
bowl last season, while all of BYU's walk-ons and 2-stars were enjoying
sunny San Diego?Stars aren't everything.
I love how BYU recruiting smack has changed.In 2003 it was
"haha, you guys can't out-recruit BYU."In 2013 it's
"well, you're out-recruiting BYU...haha, you guys can't
out-recruit USC."If Utah ever does get to the point that
they're picking up nothing but 4-star and 5-star kids, BYU fans will be
here to tell us how we're not out-recruiting the Chicago Bears.
@Ufan"USC has 14 players committed for 2013 - every single one
of them is rated 4-stars."Actually, 6 of them are 5-star
recruits and 8 are 4-star recruits, according to Rivals. USC's recruiting
is ridiculous. The fact that they struggled last years means their coaching
staff is bad or the sanctions are catching up to them.
"D J Dean is no longer listed as a UTE commit. He decommited and is looking
at Arkansas and OK State."Que the utah "fans" telling us
he wasn't any good anyway and that they really didn't want him.
D J Dean is no longer listed as a UTE commit. He decommited and is looking at
Arkansas and OK State.
I'd like to see how many 4-star recruits end up playing like 2-star
players, and visa versa.The odds are better for a team composed
entirely of 4-star recruits to be more competitive than a team composed entirely
of 2-star recruits, but there's no guarantee that will always be the
case.USC has 14 players committed for 2013 - every single one of
them is rated 4-stars.Utah has 28 players committed for 2013 - only
one of them is rated 4-stars.
I'd like to how how many recruits had offers from Utah, byu, and Utah State
and how many kids picked Utah, how many picked byu, and how many picked Utah
State.I think we'd all see that the future of football in
Utah,is Utah. Fall can't come soon enough! Go
I enjoy reading about these recruits but is a Utah homer from a site called Ute
Zone really an unbiased source? I'd like to hear what an outside source has
to say about this.