"Here's the BYU QB pipeline - Hill, Munns, Olsen, Green, Kuresa,
Mangum."What makes you think those recruits are any better
than:Wilson, Manning, Cox, Hansen, and Schults.Heck,
Adam Schultz proved he had a better arm in spring ball than any QB BYU has.And hes a walk-on by the way."You're just a jealous
cougar fool."Look up all the parody's p1jared did on
youtube. Describes you guys so well.
While this really isn't 'new' news, it is a nick pick up for the
Cougars and nothing negative from me about this young man. He is a very solid
prospect.What is funny is a few of the fans that are already
predicting the QB rotation for the next several years. My suggestion to so see
if any of these kids actually turns into a real player, which kids unfortunately
get hurt, and which kids follow in the Jake Heaps mold and can't handle the
spotlight. The best QB to come out of the state in many, many years is Alex
Smith. He was a 3 star prospect that turned into the #1 pick compared to Heaps
who was the #1 prospect and turned into ...
@ BlutoWhy attack a fellow Cougar??...I'm serious this kid is
the real deal, if WE are chasing him and he signs with us he must be awesome. I
know WE have a Heisman and the jealous Utes don't....wasn't aware of
all the other cool awards WE have. Go Cougs!!
@ute4everThe article about the BYU commits actually had less info
about any one commit than the one about the cb that just gave the utes a commit.
For most of them it simply mentioned their names, nothing more.Once
again Green is an actual SIGNEE and is attending school. That is a bit more of a
story than some kid giving a verbal. But then again there is also
the small fact that more people care about BYU, and BYU's recruits, than
care about utah or its recruits. The stories about BYU attract far more readers.
I know it hurts you that most people just don't care about utah but that is
simply the fact. The evidence for that is that there are exactly zero comments
from BYU fans on that ute commit article, and only 10 comments total. No one
really cares. There are now 50 comments on this article with many of them from
jealous utah "fans" like yourself. In otherwords EVERYONE cares.LOL!
ute4ever"First you have to find yourself this thing called a
computer. Hook up to what is called the internet. Then go onto one of the
recruiting sites (Scout, Rivals, ESPN) and find their profile. Each site shows
that ONLY BYU offered this kid. Not too difficult, so hopefully you can now
track this like the rest of America."And you can verify that the
recruiting services are never wrong?And that their information is all
encompassing?And that they're clairvoyant enough to know whether a
school would have offered a scholarship, if a player wasn't already firmly
committed to another school?And they have so much inside information that
they know exactly what every school thinks about every recruit?The
truth is, the information posted on the recruiting websites is spotty at best,
and contains lots of speculation by the hundreds of contributors who
couldn't possibly know enough about every recruit to accurately rate every
recruit.The NFL can't even get it right every time and
they're only evaluating several hundred candidates, not several thousand.
@Ute4Ever,Thank you for the education. And because it is posted on
one of these websites that means it is true, correct? Because these websites
have personal contact with every high school football player in America, the
information is 100% accurate, correct? Or are you just assuming? I know that
when my son was offered his scholarship, it didn't show up there. Just a
word of caution, I have heard that everything posted on the internet isn't
always true. There is this one site called Wikipedia that my teachers told me
about once that allowed anyone to post whatever they wanted to the site. When I
get my computer thing, I am going to check that out too. Hopefully at some point
the U will offer the class on critical thinking to help the students reason for
themselves, and not accept whatever they read on the internet. Good luck, and
thanks again for the education.
Since there are a lot of Utes trolling this thread with their usual hatred about
a BYU athlete they know nothing about, help me understand the Utah QB pipeline.
Wilson seems to have some talent, but if he goes down, who's next?Here's the BYU QB pipeline - Hill, Munns, Olsen, Green, Kuresa,
Mangum.I'm feeling pretty good about the future. How about U?
@ IRS AgentYou ask how I found out who actually offered this kid
officially. It's pretty simple actually. First you have to find yourself
this thing called a computer. Hook up to what is called the internet. Then go
onto one of the recruiting sites (Scout, Rivals, ESPN) and find their profile.
Each site shows that ONLY BYU offered this kid. Not too difficult, so hopefully
you can now track this like the rest of America.@ DuckhunterIf the newsworthy ranking of a story is based on whether or not a kid
has "signed", then please explain the full write up on all the recruits
for 2013 that haven't signed and their reaction to Robert Anae. They
haven't signed, but still get the press in the DesNews. If you don't
see the bias, you are clearly....CLEARLY blind.Last, Orphey being
committed to BYU didn't stop Utah from offering him. So those saying Utah
didn't offer because he committed to BYU is bogus spin too.
Maybe Utah did want this guy... I have no idea. If so, congrats to BYU for
beating the Utes out on this kid (assuming he pans out). Still doesn't
change the fact that Utah has beaten BYU consistently, and will likely beat them
this next year too. Fans will search for anything to brag about especially when
their team has been losing to their rival on a regular basis.
My thanks go out to all for your thoughtful and enlightening comments.
@ Ute4EverHow exactly do you know that he wasn't offered a
scholarship from Utah (or any of the other schools)? Does the athletic
department send you an email each time they offer someone a scholarship? The
news typically reports when an athlete makes a commitment, but not when a school
offers a scholarship. I am just curious how it is that you come by all this
knowledge, I am interested in tracking it myself.
@truecougAgreed. Though I am still nervous for where Lowell is going
to decide to go. Sounds like he had a great visit at BYU. Both Utah and BYU are
pretty full on their recruiting class. Can't wait for the final game in a
couple years between these two schools!
@Jefe-UteFor what it's worth, according to ESPN, Billy Green is
rated higher than Brandon Cox and Conner Manning, while Scout and Rivals have
Cox and Manning as higher rated than Green.Conclusion?Nobody really knows anything. Recruiting is completely speculative. I'm
sure both teams are happy with the recruiting classes they're bringing
First of all, good luck to the kid, he has to be a better fit than Heaps was.
Second of all, sorry for all the Ute trollers on this story - I hate it when Y
trollers continually buzz Utah articles. Thirdly, Utah may have shown interest
in him, but he was never heavily recruited nor was he made on offer. I am not
sure about any other schools, just Utah. I am also not sure why Utah never
heavily recruited him. Nobody can make assertions, from either side, about how
heavily recruited he was or who actually recruited him. In my humble opinion,
most lists that show "interest" by a school are part reality and part
Let's not fight over a 2-star recruit. We will let BYU have that QB while
Utah continues to recruit talented players, including a DT-QB and a PP-QB, both
with high ratings. Time will tell if Green will play well for BYU, no one knows.
Look at what happened to Jake Heaps, couldn't hit the broad-side of a barn.
I'll just continue to look at the facts that Utah is continuing to impress
recruits and has had 2 commitments from what BYU thought were "solid"
commitments for them.
@ute4everThere is a difference in the two stories, let me help
you.The CB reported about in the utah section is only a VERBAL
COMMIT, he has not signed and can still choose to change his mind and go
elsewhere. This QB for BYU has actually SIGNED and is now a scholarship athlete
at BYU. There is a huge difference there. One is a verbal commit, one has
actually signed and is now attending school. I don't expect much from you
utah "fans" anyway but surely even you can see the difference in the
newsworthiness of each situation?
ute4everIF you were soooo concerned about the brevity of the article
about the Utah recruit, why didn't you seek more information from Dirk
YESTERDAY, instead of jealously whining about it on the article about a BYU
Welcome to BYU, however, numbers don't matter, nor whether you are a great
guy. Unless you buddy up to Bronco, you will never play, unless forced to play
you because of some catastrophe. I've always loved BYU, but I
now question what we are about. A year ago, we heard about how great Joe Dupaix
and Ben Cahoon are, and Cahoon we know and love as a former great at BYU. Now?
At the drop of a hat--both fired. Nice.How do we fans embrace Anae,
who walked out on our team, and now fires the great coaches that were hired such
a short time ago. I, for one, am tired of the BYU lack of commitment to the
coaches. Love Doman, but hope for HIS sake, he finds a truly great
place to coach. As a long-time True BYU Fan, I question where it is we are, and
where we are going! I'm tired of the pulling out chairs from people who
are about to sit down, letting them fall on their behinds, with nair so much as
an I'm sorry.Tom? Bronco? Explanations? We pay the tickets,
gentlemen. We are the fans.
Quotes from the DNews article last summer:"I was able to talk to
a few of the non-LDS players and they let me know of what it's like for
them," said Green. "I still have some questions and things I need to
sort out, but I like the standards at BYU and it's the same standards I
grew up with."Green hopes to make his commitment by the end of
the month with BYU being a strong possibility. Schools such as Washington,
Washington State, Utah, Arizona and Oregon State have all shown interest with
the two Washington schools showing the most."I've been able
to see both Washington and Washington State a lot and I'm very familiar
with both programs and their coaching staffs," said Green. "Both schools
might be close to offering, so we'll see what happens, but I definitely
want to decide where I'm going to sign within the next week."It seems that Billy knows a lot more about how and why he chose BYU, than some
of the misinformed comments from bloggers.
Wearing the only pair of pants you own is still a choice. You can always go with
nothing...if you so choose!
ute4everSorry to burst your arrogant, misinformed crimson bubble,
but the truth is you have absolutely no idea how interested those other schools
on the list were in Billy, nor whether a scholarship offer would have been
forthcoming IF he'd been interested in them.It's laughable
that our jealous friends on the hill pretend to be sooooo knowledgeable about
every single BYU recruit, when in fact, you don't have a shred more
information than any other blogger.Not having a Utah offer,
doesn't mean he wouldn't have been offered by Utah if he hadn't
made it clear that he was only interested in BYU. It's not like Utah has an
over-abundance of talented QBs.
Why does the Deseret News write a long story about a BYU recruit and a two
paragraph story on a Utah recruit? The answer is simple... the Deseret News
obviously has more readers who care about BYU than care about Utah football.
There are more BYU fans around Utah and the Nation than Utah fans. It is a fact
of life and the Deseret News is going to publish stories that carry more
It's great having Billy join the team for Spring Ball! Welcome aboard!------------ute4everAnother frantic and
emotional response from a Utah troll.Why would you even bother
reading and commenting about a BYU recruit when you had absolutely nothing to
say about the Ute recruit?Scouts lists every one of the schools
mentioned in the article. What difference does it matter to U whether those
schools were meerly interested in or actively recruiting Green?It's very possible that schools that were interested in Green last
summer, turned their attention to other recruits after Billy committed to
BYU.Get over your jealousy and stop obsessiong about all things BYU.
@ Y Grad/Y Dad"he is another non-Mormon who WANTS to attend BYU
and play for BYU because of the values of the institution."I
don't think you can know that unless he specifically stated such in an
interview. Without having looked into it myself, I'm willing to give you
the benefit of the doubt that you're not expressing a biased opinion based
on your perception of BYU. However, I'm willing to wager that a non-Mormon
QB has decided to come to BYU for many of the same reasons Jim McMahon came to
BYU. In ADDITION to the values BYU represents, I'll bet he's coming
to BYU because BYU tends to develop good QB's into great QB's,
@ Just the FaxYou say "he chose BYU". I think there is a
fundamental problem with your line of thinking...which is EXACTLY the reason for
my post. He DIDN'T chose anything. If I wake up in the morning and only
have 1 pair of pants to wear, it isn't a "choice" to wear those
pants. Green didn't have ANY other offers, so he didn't chose BYU.
Unless you are referring to him choosing to play football at BYU as
opposed to attend another University as a regular student, there was not choice
to be made on which school to play for. He only HAD 1 offer, so there was no
choice. Before I have 20 BYU fans jumping down the throats of Utah
fans, he DIDN'T have a Utah offer and didn't chose to play at BYU over
ANY other school.
ute4ever and other jealous Utah trollsWhy are U so obsessed with a
BYU recruit who (and here's the real story of the article) has now signed
and enrolled at BYU and will be available to participate in sprint drills?There was nothing misleading about the story. Several schools besides
BYU did show interest in Green, but he chose BYU. Couldn't a simple letter
to a recruit be considered "recruiting"?Why are you getting
your boxers in a bunch over a simple list of the other schools who recruited
Tilka, he did not make that mistake. He did not schedule a new conference and
say he was coming here to be the future of BYU, thus alienating his team
members, who had already labored long and hard, then this phenom comes along and
says he will be the future. You don't get any points or confidence from
other team members. Billy is glad to be here and accepted the scholarship
without great fanfare. He saw what Jake did and he is smart enough not to
@FTWe predict no bowl for Utah.
@CommonSenseCzarIf you really want to smell a Heisman...There
is one in Provo at BYU's Legacy Hall.While there, you can also smell
all 19 National Awards given to BYU players.While Utah still has
I predict a future Beef O Brady bowl MVP!!
@RockwellYou mean the 2 paragraph story about a new cornerback
committ yeserday for Utah that was run by the DesNews? That was a good
read....all 100 words. Good story though, having flipped his committment from
Virginia to Utah. Sounds like a pretty skilled kid.Compare that to
the kid Green, who committed to BYU 6 months ago, who is now getting a full
blown story about him, including misleading information about how wanted he was.
Interesting comparing the newsworthy material that gets skipped to
make room for the non-story, like Green.
Let's make sure we are all VERY clear here. The term "recruited"
in this article is being used very, very loosely. This kid is a 2 star (as
rated by Scout and Rivals) and did not have any other offers on the table other
than BYU. He did not "turn down" offers from any other school. He
didn't spurn Utah or Notre Dame. I'm pretty sure these schools listed
as "being recruited by" have their sights set on bigger prospects than a
2 star. Maybe "being recruited by" in Billy Green's case is a
school asking for his high school tape to look at, even if they never called
back afterwards. I guess anything is a step up from the 2012 QB at BYU
though.Plus, Rivals says he committed about 6 months ago, so this
really isn't a news story.
Texas prep cornerback Hipolito Corporan commits to Utah: NINE
comments since yesterday - NONE by BYU fans----------Seattle
prep QB Billy Green signs with BYU as mid-year enrollee:TWENTY-ONE
comments in an hour - including the first by a jealous Utah fanObsessed much?
SlopJ30"Somebody please clarify for me how his future success as
a player depends on us pinning down exactly who "showed interest," who
"actually wanted" him, and who offered him a scholarship?"It doesn't; but for some, the number of stars placed next to a
recruit's name seem to be an obsession.
5Respectfully, I disagree with your entire premise, as I understood
it. I believe yours is a thinly veiled reference to Jake Heaps.
The inability to successfully integrate Jake into the blue collar mentality had
nothing to do with the strong personality and everything to do with the blue
collar. If there is any lesson to be learned, it is that a 5 star
athlete who wants to play at BYU is not necessarily enough to be declared a
match made in heaven. And while Billy appears to be a fine catch,
I'm willing to wager that our ute brethren will deride your description of
him as a blue chipper. They are (far too) focused on stars, and I think I read
Billy's rating around 2.What makes Billy a great story is that
he is another non-Mormon who WANTS to attend BYU and play for BYU because of the
values of the institution. He does not appear to be worried about Bronco's
ability to handle talented quarterbacks.
On a side note:It's being reported that former Boston College
QB, current Sacramento State OC Paul Peterson has interviewed at BYU. Paul
played at Bingham High, was an offensive graduate assistant at BYU in 2005 under
Robert Anae, then moved on to SUU for 4 years.
Welcome to Cougar Nation Billy - wishing you great success both on and off the
gridiron.BYU's QB cupboard is well stocked with talent.
Somebody please clarify for me how his future success as a player depends on us
pinning down exactly who "showed interest," who "actually
wanted" him, and who offered him a scholarship? I'm baffled.
And we all know how credible Rivals is. Very political.
He's a good QB. I watched him destroy a very good Arch Bishop Murphy team
here in WA. I don't think he's better than Mangum, but time will tell.
Either way, BYU's future QB situation looks pretty dang bright!
Welcome aboard Billy - it's great to have you joining Cougar Nation!-------------I'm sure Billy could set the record
straight on how heavily he was recruited by other schools, but according to
Scout, Colorado, Idaho, Notre Dame, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah, Washington State,
and Wyoming, all showed interest in Billy. Just so they can sleep at
night,, however, I'll leave it up to our jealous friends on the hill to
draw the line between "interested in" and "wanted".For a bunch who supposedly left BYU "in there dust" almost three years
ago, they still seem awfully obsessed with BYU.
I smell a Heisman or 2. No doubt a couple of BCS games. Billy Football rolls off
the tongue quite nice thank you!
I doubt anyone here knows just what actually happened. So, maybe what the
article says is correct about who recruited him.
According to Rivals, BYU was the only school recruiting Green. I thought maybe
it was because he had already committed, but that is not the case. So maybe in
his early years he was shown interest by a couple of other schools, but in the
end, he was only wanted by BYU.
Awesome, sounds like a great athlete. Welcome to BYU Mr. Green, you've made
a fantastically awesome choice!
He was recruited by Notre Dame, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah, Washington and
Washington State, but the fact that he committed to BYU last summer and never
showed any interest in any of the other schools that were recruiting him
probably discouraged any other schools from offering a scholarship.Regardless, he's a great young man and a nice addition to BYU's QB
depth chart for the next 4 years.
Lets hope he doesn't turn out like the last Seattle area quarterback....
RE: MountamanI don't think he actually had five offers, he
simply was being recruited by them. Regardless he's a nice pick up for the
What's this? A football player turning down offers from five (5) Pac 12
schools to play at BYU? Imagine that!
I hope Bronco has learned how to deal with, integrate, and motivate a blue chip
skilled position athlete. If this article is what it seems and is representing
Green as a blue chipper. Skill position blue chippers tend to be strong
personalities, hence their ability to deal with the pressures of the positions,
especially quarterback. Bronco has not shown the ability to incorporate that
type of athlete into his "blue collar" team concept.
@CougFaninTXIt never works out the way you might project.Rumor
has it Mangum may not take a mission now.Let's just hope that
Anae will leave the QB race wide open and allow the best man to get the job.We've all had eonough with Coaches making decisions based upon emotional
FlinchingAnd you would know this how?
Ruh roh, Chris B is not going to be a happy Ute / BCS fan today. Already
discouraged by basketball this might push him over the edge. We can only
hope.As a fan of a 'irrelevant' independent football team
it amazes me that BYU can even field a team if I believed the way
'others' look at BYU.But in all honesty the best part of
being a Cougar fan is knowing that very often BYU gets great recruits because of
its coaches and its program.Congrats to Billy for choosing BYU.
Welcome to Provo, where the tradition of great football lives on.
Stranger things have happened, but it seems odd that he would enroll early from
high school when the logical procession would be for him to redshirt his
freshman year, then back-up the next two years, then hopefully be a star his
Junior and Senior seasons. 2013 - Hill, Munns, Olsen, Green (RS)2014 - Hill, Olsen, Green2015 - Hill, Green, Kuresa, Mangum (RS)2016 - Green, Mangum, Kuresa2017 - Green, Mangum2018 - Mangum2019 - MangumThis puts us back on track to start a Junior /
Senior, instead of younger players.Hopefully, Kafentzis will be in
the mix also.
"Green was also recruited by Notre Dame, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah,
Washington and Washington State."This is incorrect. Good luck
to Green though and congratulations.