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Published: Sunday, Jan. 13 2013 5:30 p.m. MST

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2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Ducky..."That is reality, that is fact. That is bad. Very bad."

Yet that very bad football team continues to beat the cougies each year......LOL!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ duckhunter

Calm down man. I said women's basketball is still holding on the a winning record; which they are. Gymnastics will be fine, as will skiing. Swimming already swept BYU and the men won their first conference meet. Softball went 21-5 in their pre-season last year. Your hyperbole about Utah athletics is silly. Utah is improving facilities across the board and is investing more money than ever before into the Olympic sports. The quality of teams Utah fields will continue to improve as a result.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

"Utah still has top notch gymnastics and skiing programs..."

Utah does have a very good women's gymnastics program, but the Utes haven't won a national champinoship since 1995

Absolutely NOBODY cares about a sport that is so trivial that it's DOMINATED by tiny Denver

"W. basketball still is holding on to a winning record."

0-4 in the PAC 12

"Most of Utah's teams have done very well in non-conference competition. Playing a plethora of top 10 teams in conference in almost every sport is weighing down on Utah's win totals."

Utah wasn't even ranked in the most recent National Association of College Athletic Director's Cup rankings because the Utes didn't earn a single point.

BYU finished #13
Utah State finished #68

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Y's little brother

BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different.

Again, Utah is struggling right now, thanks in no small part to the elite competition the school competes against in literally every sport. But a lot of money is being invested into the athletics department, and hopefully we start seeing some of that return here in the fairly near future.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

Two For Flinching

"BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools."

Men's volleyball is dominated by California schools like USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Pepperdine, but the sport also includes schools like Penn State, Ohio State and BYU.

Who compete's in the co-ed sport of skiing - Denver, Colorado, Vermont and Utah and whole bunch of tiny schools nobody has even heard of? How many Utah fans have attended a ski meet, ever? When was the last time a Utah ski meet was televised?

Like I said, NOBODY care about skiing, including Utah fans.

Cite me one men's sport the Utes have won a national championship in, ever?

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@2BCSWINS "Yet that very bad football team [Utah] continues to beat the cougies each year......LOL!"
@Two For Flinching "Swimming already swept BYU"
@U90 "Utah has won 3 in a row and 8 of 11 against BYU"

The fact that you all use beating BYU as the metric for your program's success shows just how much of a little brother U are to BYU.

That, and the trailer park football facilities.

'Nuff said.

Go Cougars!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Y's little brother

UC Irvine is ranked number 1. Pepperdine, UC Santa Barbara, LB State, Cal State Northridge, Lewis, UC San Diego, Cal Baptist, and Pacific are all in the top 15.

I guarantee you more people have heard of Vermont and Dartmouth than any of the volleyball schools listed. Also it's not fair to compare skiing to volleyball. Volleyball in on campus, indoors, and has tv facilities built in. Skiing is off in the mountains and many of the resorts do not have cameras and seating readily available.

Utah won the NC in basketball way back in 1944, men's skiing won the title in 1981 and the combined title 81, 84, 86, 87, 88, 93, 96, 97, and 03.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Two For Flinching

You quite obviously are totally clueless about men's volleyball.

It's laughable that you left all of the big name schools off your list. Here, let me help you.

2. Stanford
3. BYU
5. UCLA
6. Penn St
7. USC
11. Ohio St

Compare that to the list of "big name" schools for the 2012 NCAA championships

2. Utah
3. Colorado
8. New Mexico

Notice any difference?

Sorry, Vermont (last season's champions), Dartmouth and Harvard may be well-known schools, but none of them could even remotely be considered "big name" when in comes to sports.

When you have schools like Denver, Alaska Anchorage, Montana State, Middlebury College, and New Hampshire finishing in the Top 10 at the NCAA championships, you know you're competing in a small-time sport that absolutely NOBODY pays any attention to.

The NCAA 2013 Men's Volleyball National Championship will be hosted by UCLA.
The NCAA 2013 Skiing National Championship will be hosted by Middlebury College.

Enough said.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Riddles in the Dark

This is the statement you are arguing with: "BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different."

I guess you're saying the only reason BYU is proud of their volleyball team is because UCLA and Penn St. also field volleyball teams? Good for you guys.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

2fer

BYU is proud of their men's volleyball team because they compete and succeed against real competition - big name schools and olympic calibre athletes. Thousands of fans attend men's volleyball games, which shows a genuine interest in the competition. Hardly any fans attend NCAA skiing events, which shows a definite lack of interest in NCAA skiing. Your weak attempt to characterize men's volleyball as a sport dominated by UC and Cal State schools is laughable, especially when you consider who dominates NCAA skiing.

Historically, the most dominant team in men's volleyball is UCLA.

Historically, the most dominant team in NCAA skiing is Denver.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ phoenix

Please show me where I said big-name schools dominate skiing. I'm drawing a comparison between the two sports, not saying one is 'better' than the other.

There are 22 D1 mens volleyball teams. Twenty-two. If there was genuine interest do you think maybe more than 7% of D1 schools would field a team? Also, if you're going to bring up attendance you have to consider where each sport is played. Do you think thousands of fans would be attending volleyball if it was played outside in the winter off campus in the mountains? And do you think significantly more people would attend ski meets if they were on campus in a nice warm field house?

Like it or not, NCAA volleyball is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. 8 of the top 10 teams in volleyball are in California, and 6 of those 8 are UC, and Cal State schools.

Your Olympic caliber athlete jab takes the cake. Zero current NCAA volleyball players competed in London. Utah alone has several ski athletes who have been nominated to or have already competed with their respective country's national teams.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

2fer

"BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different."

Actually, the two sports are very different as far as stature of schools competing and the level of competition.

While men's volleyball includes a mixture of big name schools, PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Big West, Big Ten, and smaller schools, NCAA skiing is almost entirely dominated by smaller schools.

NCAA Skiing Championships
Denver 21
Colorado 17
Utah 10
Vermont 4
Dartmouth 3
Wyoming 2
New Mexico 1

Let's face it, if that were a football conference, they'd be rated somewhere between the MAC and Big Sky conferences.

When only 7 schools have won all 59 NCAA titles, and tiny Denver has won more titles than 5 of the other schools combined, its pretty apparent that the pool of competitors isn't very deep.

U can be proud of your skiing championships, but let's not fool ourselves here, the competition is pretty sparse and fan interest is practically non-existent.

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

2fer

"If there was genuine interest do you think maybe more than 7% of D1 schools would field a team?"

You can blame Title IX for the lack of men's volleyball teams; there are 328 women's teams. Almost all Div I football schools have a women's volleyball team, but most don't have a men's team to help balance the overall number of scholarships for women and men.

It's interesting that you didn't bother listing the number of D-1 NCAA skiing schools.

I'll match the D-1 men's volleyball schools against the D-1 skiing schools anyday

NCAA Div 1 Men's Volleyball (23 total)
BYU
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Ohio State
Penn State
Hawaii
Pepperdine
CS Irvine
UC Santa Barbara
CS Long Beach
CS Northridge
Pacific
San Diego
Ball State
Harvard
Princeton

NCAA Div 1 Skiing (13 total)
Utah
Colorado
Boston Col
Dartmouth
Harvard
Denver
New Mexico
Nevada
Vermont
Montana St
New Hampshire
U Mass-Amherst
Wisconsin-Green Bay

btw, skiing is a co-ed sport; so few schools compete, that the NCAA doesn't even have a separate championship for the men

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

You're right Captain Semantics. PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Big West, Big Ten, and smaller schools is WAY better than PAC-12, ACC, MWC, Ivy League, Big Sky and some smaller schools.

Is mens volleyball a major NCAA sport? No

Are BYU fans proud of their mens volleyball team? Yes

Is there anything wrong with that? No

Repeat the same list, but insert "Utah" and "Skiing" so this ridiculous debate can finally end. My goodness, you guy would try to argue if I said water is wet.

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