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Published: Sunday, Jan. 13 2013 5:30 p.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motortrike

I really like the "I said it, but I didn't really say it" argument. Very convincing.

LOL!

Tilka
PORTLAND, OR

Anyone know if BYU is trying to line up a 13th game? Looks like Idaho and New Mexico need help rounding out their schedule and BYU has 3 open dates. I like that they have a bye before the Utah and Utah State games. Perhaps they can get their act together like they do for bowl games so they can beat the in state teams.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ deductive reasoning
"NOBODY, except a desperately delusional Utah fan who can't accept reality, would try to argue that a 2-10 Colorado team was better than a 9-4 Utah team simply because Colorado won the head-to-head match up."

You're missing the point, losing to a team one time in 10 years is a fluke. Utah losing to UNLV in 07 was a fluke, BYU losing to UNLV in 04 was a fluke. I think we can agree on that. However, losing to a team 8 times in 11 years is no fluke. The team with 8 wins owns the team with 3 wins.... that's the point

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Market It Down "BYU didn't play all cupcakes"

Yes but BYU played 4 cupcakes while Utah played 1. Do you think that had anything to do with BYU having 7 wins vs. Utah's 5 in the regular season? Or do you not pay attention to SOS?

@ Market It Down "the Utes would have lost to... BYU (remember, the game would have been played in Provo where the crowd noise wouldn't have influenced the bad snap that lead to Utah's scoop and score go ahead touchdown).

Did you really just say that? I guess the visiting teams should then have all their losses negated due to crowd noise. Good one.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@Naval Vet - Cougar fans would LOVE to "take out the head-to-head games"

Uh, if I remember right, it was Chris Hill and Whit who took the hiatus, not BYU. There are not too many BYU football fans who want the rivalry to end, nor are the too many Ute fans who want it to end. Although your comments was an interesting diversion to the SOS question.

Win or lose, 3 of the last 4 games have come down to the final play. What's not to like about that. Or maybe U would rather watch your Utes beat up on N. Colorado by 40, which does nothing to prepare the Utes for tough games in the PAC.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@deductive reasoning

"When is Utah going to start awarding themselves trophies for having a tougher SOS than BYU?"

As soon as BYU starts awarding itself a trophy for losing to Utah annually.

Then again I don't expect a BYU fan to understand what playing in a real conference feels like. Maybe you should go post on TCU article.

Who needs a trophy when you get millions from playing in the PAC-12, even in a bad year.

"Playing in a real conference has simply proven that Utah didn't belong in the PAC 12 in the first place."

Under Bronco BYU is 12-14 vs BCS teams so I guess by your logic BYU has simply proven that BYU doesn't belong in ANY real conference.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

"Then again I don't expect a BYU fan to understand what playing in a real conference feels like."

Don't kid yourself; BYU was playing the big boys long before Utah was even a blip on the national radar.

"Who needs a trophy when you get millions from playing in the PAC-12, even in a bad year."

Money will never buy U a National Championship nor a Heisman Trophy - the singular most sought after prizes in all of college sports.

Call us the first time U beat a conference opponent with a winning record. Continually beating your chest about being a perennial conference bottom dweller is just plain pathetic.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ phoenix

"Money will never buy U a National Championship nor a Heisman Trophy."

It worked for USC....

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

2fer

U aren't USC!

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Eight months before fall camp begins, it's pointless to argue which team has the stronger SOS.

Who could have predicted a year ago that USC would be on the outsided looking in at the Final 2012 rankings, while Utah State and San Jose State would both finish in the Top 25?

Suffice it to say that BYU and Utah both have what appear to be very good schedules for 2013.

Now it's up to each program to make the most of the opportunities those schedules present.

Striker
Omaha, NE

"The team with 8 wins owns the team with 3 wins.... that's the point."

Comments like this crack me up. 8/11 wins is owning? If some of those had not ended in FG being blocked, or hitting a post, or something related to a FG, it could easily be 6/11 instead. It's an even matched series with Utah having the edge lately. Look at the years before that when BYU was blowing Utah out of this universe to the tune of 48-17, 70-31, 55-7, 56-28, 56-6, 27-0 from 1979-1992, with BYU winning almost all those games in that period. 8/11 with 3 blowouts since 2004 isn't better than 13-1 with multiple blowouts. Many of us on these boards were alive then and both sides can admit those times were truly dominating days of BYU over Utah. Either team winning by no more than 7 points in 3/9 games is hardly domination. It's call a good rivalry in the last 10 years in one sport. Dominance is Utah's wins over BYU in gymnastics, and BYU's wins over Utah in soccer, especially at Utah.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

I am personally excited that both programs have quality opponents. I think trying to argue who has the tougher schedule is impossible. So many variables come into play before next year even happens. I am just glad that both teams have found a way to make their programs stronger and better.

Go UTES!!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@U90 and Uteology

I completely agree with Striker. I came home from my mission in time to see the 2009 BYU OT win over Utah. That win made it 3 wins in 4 years for BYU over the Utes, not to mention 2 conference championships to the Utes' 1, and 3 top 15 finishes to the Utes' 1 in that same time frame. BYU had "dominated" Utah in that period of time, but what did we hear from Ute fans?

"We won a Sugar Bowl, we clearly have the better program", or "You just got lucky in those wins, if we had gotten some bounces it would've been 4 wins to 0".

Now the shoe's on the other foot. Two of the past three games Utah has won because of crazy bounces and fluke plays. That's what makes it a great rivalry, because the games are so close. So by all means, tout the scoreboard, you've got it right now. But stop with the "domination" stuff because that's simply not the case. BYU has finished with a higher ranking than Utah in 2 of the last 3 years. We've also gone bowling in all three years.
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Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

U 90

Love the spin, but one game does not a season make; sooner or later Utah fans will finally figure out that beating BYU only gives you bragging rights for a single game.

ranked is still better than unranked
higher ranked is still better than lower ranked
better record is still better than inferior record
winning record is still better than losing record
winning a bowl game is still better than watching from the couch

Anybody who tries to argue differently is only fooling themselves.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@U90 and Uteology

I understand that your program is struggling right now, that U didn't go bowling this year, and that U are currently running your facilities out of a trailer park, which means that the only thing that you can beat your chest about is that wonderful 3 game winning streak over your rival, but let's stop with the "domination" thing.

BYU's program has been better overall than Utah's for the past six years. Stomping your feet and saying that your program has been "dominant" over BYU because of three rivalry wins in a row, two in completely fluke fashion, is just little brotherish.

Again, congrats on the 3 game win streak. But until you can find some way to actually finish the season with a winning record, I would avoid making references to being a "dominant program over BYU".

Go Cougars!

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Striker "If some of those had not ended in FG being blocked, or hitting a post, or something related to a FG, it could easily be 6/11 instead"

If "IFs" and "BUTs" were candy and nuts.... You're really going to play the IF game? Okay, I'll play. If Harlene on his knees and 4 & 18 hadn't happend it would be 10 of 11. See anyone can play the IF game but at the end of the day those who do are simply ignoring reality. And the reality is your team has been owned by the Utes

@ truecoug1 "until you can find some way to actually finish the season with a winning record, I would avoid making references to being a "dominant program over BYU"

Sorry to break the bad news to you trucoug but in the last 10 years Utah has had 9 wining seasons, 8 bowl wins and 2 BCS bowl wins. BYU hasn't

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@u 90

I always enjoy how utah "fans" want to keep BYU in the present when it comes to atheltics but alternately, and conveniently, choose to ignore the present as it pertains to utah. Let me fill you in on the present, you know the way things are NOW.

Now utah is a losing football team that did not even make it to a bowl game. This is simply the latest in several consecutive years that have each been worse than the year before. RIGHT NOW utah is getting worse and they are losers, that is the present, that is NOW.

Right now utah's basketball team is mired in a 4 game losing streak that coincided with them playing the 1st halfway decent teams they played all year other than BYU. This coincides with several losing years, no ncaa tournament berths, and not having beaten BYU in several years, in fact they have lost to BYU 11 of the last 12 times and something like 14 of 16. That is RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW every single other sport utah spnsors is a losing program, ALL OF THEM. That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ duckhunter

It is never wise to speak in absolutes. Utah still has top notch gymnastics and skiing programs, so right there your assertion is false. W. basketball still is holding on to a winning record. M. swimming has looked good early this season as well. Most of Utah's teams have done very well in non-conference competition. Playing a plethora of top 10 teams in conference in almost every sport is weighing down on Utah's win totals. I believe Utah will be better for it in the long run though.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@ducky...Do you read what you write before posting it?

In the same post you say "RIGHT NOW every single other sport utah spnsors is a losing program, ALL OF THEM. That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality." and then you say "This coincides with several losing years, no ncaa tournament berths, and not having beaten BYU in several years, in fact they have lost to BYU 11 of the last 12 times and something like 14 of 16. That is RIGHT NOW."

So I guess RIGHT NOW in basketball is the last 11 - 16 games. However in Football that is just RIGHT NOW today. It's so funny how you spin these web's to somehow try to make the cougies look better. Problem is Ducky you're not fooling anybody. Spin it anyway you want ducky but everybody but you and a few fellow blinded cougie fans on these threads know the truth. RIGHT NOW utah has the better football program and right now the cougies have the better basketball program.

As you would say....That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

utah's basketball most certainly DOES NOT have a winning record RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW they are 8-8.

RIGHT NOW utah's gymnastics is 0-1, losing record RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW utah's entire athletic program is bad, very bad, one of the worst overall athletic programs in D-1. That is a FACT RIGHT NOW. That is how things are.

@2irreleventandacientwins

So utah football is not a loser RIGHT NOW? I'm pretty sure 5-7 means losers. I also am pretty sure that successively worse records each year show a digression. That is how it is RIGHT NOW.

Face it, utah's athletic program is a bad one, one of the worst in all of D-1, very poor very bad. Last season EVERY single sport utah sponsors had a losing record in their conference. ALL of them.

That is reality, that is fact. That is bad. Very bad.

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