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Published: Sunday, Jan. 13 2013 5:30 p.m. MST

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motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Uteanymous

I asked you: "What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?"

Your terribly weak response was: "Only a crimson-goggles wearing Utah fan would be so blind as to not see the obvious correlation."

Tell you what, I'll admit to being blind if you'll actually answer the question with any bit of logic versus running from it like you so predictably did.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Uteanymous

"The bottom half of the WCC is indeed weak, but the Utes wouldn't finish higher than 5th, behind Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary's, and Santa Clara, and the Utes would struggle to beat LMU and San Francisco on the road."

This is a reasonable comment. I think Utah would do a little better than you think, but I could also see it going the way you see it. I'm probably a little too vocal lately on how bad the WCC is (I'll work on it), but thank you for such a logical post, it's refreshing. (I'm talking in general, that's not meant to be a lame jab at other comments from you)

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motortrike

LOL!

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Uteanymous

Great summary at 2:31 p.m., but why are you trying to confuse the issue by citing actual results?

Utah fans live under the mistaken delusion that if they repeat their head-to-head mantra long enough, people will actually start to believe that one-game results are actually more important than season-long results.

Of course, if you try using that same argument regarding teams that the Utes have lost to over the years - Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming - the kids on the hill will laugh in your face.

UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)? preposterous!

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

A compliment is in store for Mr Sorenson. He came right out and admitted this was a fluff story.

"In the end, it really doesn't matter whose schedule is tougher. It just gives fans something else to argue about during the long months between football seasons. (And it gives columnists like this one something to write about in the dog days of January)."

But it did generate a grundle of comments including the usual slams and childish slurs from haters and justification comments from defenders.

I will bite to the degree that it will be very difficult for either team to win six games. For all the BCS chest beaters, if Utah or BYU do not win, their is no path for either to any big money games.

Ironically and absolutely not even close to realistic, if both teams won all their games, except for the one that one must lose in their rival game, both would be in a BCS game next year.

If they do not win six, both will be bottom feeders. I will worry about rankings when the new teams take the field. The current rankings are old history.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

You wrote: "BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small."

I wrote: "We'll see if your theory holds when Arizona visits the Huntsman later this season. I'm predicting a double-digit win for the Wildcats in the rematch."

You wrote: Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?

My response: The gap for a single game doesn't necessarily indicate the real gap between the two teams. That's why I predicted that despite the close 3-point gap in Tempe, Arizona would beat the Utes by double-digits in SLC. The same theory holds for a rematch of BYU at Utah. BYU would win by about 5. Sagarin's "Predictor" supports my predictions, hence, the coorelation.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Does this mean that utah will have a legitimate excuse to finish in the bottom end of the conference (again)??

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

chrissy

"I love being in a BCS conference!"

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not in any conference; you've simply chosen to be a fan of a team that happens to be a bottom dwelling member of the PAC 12.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Utah finished at the bottom of the PAC 12 and BYU still couldn't beat them. That's three in a row and 8 of 11. Those are the FAX.

LOL

U 90
Corona, CA

@Truth Machine.
"Of course, if you try using that same argument regarding teams that the Utes have lost to over the years - Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming - the kids on the hill will laugh in your face. UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)? preposterous! "

The hole in your argument is that Utah hasn't been owned by Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming over the past 10 years. On the other hand, Utah has owned BYU. See the difference?

How can any Y fan say BYU currently has a better program than Utah's when you have lost 3 in a row. Don't give me your ridiculous W/L records over the past 3 years because your schedule has been full of WAC and Big Sky opponents. Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU (Weber, Idaho, Mew Mexico State, Hawaii) instead of 1 cupcake (N. Arizona)?

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

"In the end, it really doesn’t matter whose schedule is tougher...What really matters are the win-loss records each team can salvage out of next year's brutal slates."

What? You didn't mean that.

I would take 50/50 loses with tough schedules than unbeaten cupcake seasons.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

Those that can't root for more than one team are missing out on half the fun. I'm looking forward to both seasons.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Utanymous

I'll give you this, that was a great attempt to make sense of your original comment ... but you still failed to make any sense as to what Utah vs Arizona has to do with Utah vs BYU. Arizona could beat the Utes by 50 and it would have absolutely nothing to do with what would happen in another BYU/Utah game.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

U 90

"Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU (Weber, Idaho, Mew Mexico State, Hawaii) instead of 1 cupcake (N. Arizona)?"

Quit making so much sense!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

2011 TCU SOS #82 .... 11-2
2012 TCU SOS #16 .... 7-6

Like TCU and Utah, BYU is about to find out what a playing a real schedule feels like.

Unlike BYU, playing in a real conference will help improve talent at Utah and TCU.

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

To the Deseret News moderators I DEMAND to speak to an editor, if not i will be going to the 1st preasdency of the church i,m tired of my posts being denied when i even mention trolls on the d news thread, yesterday i seen no less than 7 people talking about the trolls on here and their comments got posted, to me this is discrimination and if i have to i will talk to the editor in chief of this paper,this paper is beginning to look more and more like the tribune with their hateful comments being posted every day ,i have never once posted a hateful comment on here except to defend myself when i felt that i was being personally attacked.

worf
Mcallen, TX

What has the utes done to deserve their Pac pay check? Nothing but an entitlement.

Opps! They improved the winning record of the other teams, allowing them to reach bowl games. More income for the conference. Good job.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

What you are forgetting is that this fall the Cougars won't have Riley Nelson to carry. That puts 3 more wins in the Cougar schedule.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Uteology

When is Utah going to start awarding themselves trophies for having a tougher SOS than BYU?

Playing in a real conference has simply proven that Utah didn't belong in the PAC 12 in the first place.

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U90

The only hole I see is the gaping hole in your weak spin that completely ignores the fact that seasons are judged one season at a time.

It wouldn't matter if Colorado had beaten U 10 straight seasons in a row, NOBODY, except a desperately delusional Utah fan who can't accept reality, would try to argue that a 2-10 Colorado team was better than a 9-4 Utah team simply because Colorado won the head-to-head match up.

No, Utah fans are simply going to have to accept reality that consistently better records and higher rankings prove that BYU has had a better overall football program than Utah during the Bronco/Kyle era.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

U90

"U 90

"Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU...?"

Very likely, because BYU didn't play all cupcakes.

Playing BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost to Utah State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, San Jose State, Oregon State, Boise State, and... BYU (remember, the game would have been played in Provo where the crowd noise wouldn't have influenced the bad snap that lead to Utah's scoop and score go ahead touchdown).

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