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Mike Sorensen: Utah's 2013 football schedule looks slightly tougher than BYU's — for now

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    You're right Captain Semantics. PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Big West, Big Ten, and smaller schools is WAY better than PAC-12, ACC, MWC, Ivy League, Big Sky and some smaller schools.

    Is mens volleyball a major NCAA sport? No

    Are BYU fans proud of their mens volleyball team? Yes

    Is there anything wrong with that? No

    Repeat the same list, but insert "Utah" and "Skiing" so this ridiculous debate can finally end. My goodness, you guy would try to argue if I said water is wet.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 18, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    2fer

    "If there was genuine interest do you think maybe more than 7% of D1 schools would field a team?"

    You can blame Title IX for the lack of men's volleyball teams; there are 328 women's teams. Almost all Div I football schools have a women's volleyball team, but most don't have a men's team to help balance the overall number of scholarships for women and men.

    It's interesting that you didn't bother listing the number of D-1 NCAA skiing schools.

    I'll match the D-1 men's volleyball schools against the D-1 skiing schools anyday

    NCAA Div 1 Men's Volleyball (23 total)
    BYU
    Stanford
    USC
    UCLA
    Ohio State
    Penn State
    Hawaii
    Pepperdine
    CS Irvine
    UC Santa Barbara
    CS Long Beach
    CS Northridge
    Pacific
    San Diego
    Ball State
    Harvard
    Princeton

    NCAA Div 1 Skiing (13 total)
    Utah
    Colorado
    Boston Col
    Dartmouth
    Harvard
    Denver
    New Mexico
    Nevada
    Vermont
    Montana St
    New Hampshire
    U Mass-Amherst
    Wisconsin-Green Bay

    btw, skiing is a co-ed sport; so few schools compete, that the NCAA doesn't even have a separate championship for the men

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    2fer

    "BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different."

    Actually, the two sports are very different as far as stature of schools competing and the level of competition.

    While men's volleyball includes a mixture of big name schools, PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Big West, Big Ten, and smaller schools, NCAA skiing is almost entirely dominated by smaller schools.

    NCAA Skiing Championships
    Denver 21
    Colorado 17
    Utah 10
    Vermont 4
    Dartmouth 3
    Wyoming 2
    New Mexico 1

    Let's face it, if that were a football conference, they'd be rated somewhere between the MAC and Big Sky conferences.

    When only 7 schools have won all 59 NCAA titles, and tiny Denver has won more titles than 5 of the other schools combined, its pretty apparent that the pool of competitors isn't very deep.

    U can be proud of your skiing championships, but let's not fool ourselves here, the competition is pretty sparse and fan interest is practically non-existent.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    @ phoenix

    Please show me where I said big-name schools dominate skiing. I'm drawing a comparison between the two sports, not saying one is 'better' than the other.

    There are 22 D1 mens volleyball teams. Twenty-two. If there was genuine interest do you think maybe more than 7% of D1 schools would field a team? Also, if you're going to bring up attendance you have to consider where each sport is played. Do you think thousands of fans would be attending volleyball if it was played outside in the winter off campus in the mountains? And do you think significantly more people would attend ski meets if they were on campus in a nice warm field house?

    Like it or not, NCAA volleyball is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. 8 of the top 10 teams in volleyball are in California, and 6 of those 8 are UC, and Cal State schools.

    Your Olympic caliber athlete jab takes the cake. Zero current NCAA volleyball players competed in London. Utah alone has several ski athletes who have been nominated to or have already competed with their respective country's national teams.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    2fer

    BYU is proud of their men's volleyball team because they compete and succeed against real competition - big name schools and olympic calibre athletes. Thousands of fans attend men's volleyball games, which shows a genuine interest in the competition. Hardly any fans attend NCAA skiing events, which shows a definite lack of interest in NCAA skiing. Your weak attempt to characterize men's volleyball as a sport dominated by UC and Cal State schools is laughable, especially when you consider who dominates NCAA skiing.

    Historically, the most dominant team in men's volleyball is UCLA.

    Historically, the most dominant team in NCAA skiing is Denver.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2013 1:52 a.m.

    @ Riddles in the Dark

    This is the statement you are arguing with: "BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different."

    I guess you're saying the only reason BYU is proud of their volleyball team is because UCLA and Penn St. also field volleyball teams? Good for you guys.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    You quite obviously are totally clueless about men's volleyball.

    It's laughable that you left all of the big name schools off your list. Here, let me help you.

    2. Stanford
    3. BYU
    5. UCLA
    6. Penn St
    7. USC
    11. Ohio St

    Compare that to the list of "big name" schools for the 2012 NCAA championships

    2. Utah
    3. Colorado
    8. New Mexico

    Notice any difference?

    Sorry, Vermont (last season's champions), Dartmouth and Harvard may be well-known schools, but none of them could even remotely be considered "big name" when in comes to sports.

    When you have schools like Denver, Alaska Anchorage, Montana State, Middlebury College, and New Hampshire finishing in the Top 10 at the NCAA championships, you know you're competing in a small-time sport that absolutely NOBODY pays any attention to.

    The NCAA 2013 Men's Volleyball National Championship will be hosted by UCLA.
    The NCAA 2013 Skiing National Championship will be hosted by Middlebury College.

    Enough said.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    @ Y's little brother

    UC Irvine is ranked number 1. Pepperdine, UC Santa Barbara, LB State, Cal State Northridge, Lewis, UC San Diego, Cal Baptist, and Pacific are all in the top 15.

    I guarantee you more people have heard of Vermont and Dartmouth than any of the volleyball schools listed. Also it's not fair to compare skiing to volleyball. Volleyball in on campus, indoors, and has tv facilities built in. Skiing is off in the mountains and many of the resorts do not have cameras and seating readily available.

    Utah won the NC in basketball way back in 1944, men's skiing won the title in 1981 and the combined title 81, 84, 86, 87, 88, 93, 96, 97, and 03.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    @2BCSWINS "Yet that very bad football team [Utah] continues to beat the cougies each year......LOL!"
    @Two For Flinching "Swimming already swept BYU"
    @U90 "Utah has won 3 in a row and 8 of 11 against BYU"

    The fact that you all use beating BYU as the metric for your program's success shows just how much of a little brother U are to BYU.

    That, and the trailer park football facilities.

    'Nuff said.

    Go Cougars!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools."

    Men's volleyball is dominated by California schools like USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Pepperdine, but the sport also includes schools like Penn State, Ohio State and BYU.

    Who compete's in the co-ed sport of skiing - Denver, Colorado, Vermont and Utah and whole bunch of tiny schools nobody has even heard of? How many Utah fans have attended a ski meet, ever? When was the last time a Utah ski meet was televised?

    Like I said, NOBODY care about skiing, including Utah fans.

    Cite me one men's sport the Utes have won a national championship in, ever?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @ Y's little brother

    BYU fans are proud of their men's volleyball team, despite the fact that the sport is dominated by UC and Cal State schools. Why can't Ute fans be proud of our ski team even though non football playing schools are contenders for the national title? It's not different.

    Again, Utah is struggling right now, thanks in no small part to the elite competition the school competes against in literally every sport. But a lot of money is being invested into the athletics department, and hopefully we start seeing some of that return here in the fairly near future.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    "Utah still has top notch gymnastics and skiing programs..."

    Utah does have a very good women's gymnastics program, but the Utes haven't won a national champinoship since 1995

    Absolutely NOBODY cares about a sport that is so trivial that it's DOMINATED by tiny Denver

    "W. basketball still is holding on to a winning record."

    0-4 in the PAC 12

    "Most of Utah's teams have done very well in non-conference competition. Playing a plethora of top 10 teams in conference in almost every sport is weighing down on Utah's win totals."

    Utah wasn't even ranked in the most recent National Association of College Athletic Director's Cup rankings because the Utes didn't earn a single point.

    BYU finished #13
    Utah State finished #68

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    @ duckhunter

    Calm down man. I said women's basketball is still holding on the a winning record; which they are. Gymnastics will be fine, as will skiing. Swimming already swept BYU and the men won their first conference meet. Softball went 21-5 in their pre-season last year. Your hyperbole about Utah athletics is silly. Utah is improving facilities across the board and is investing more money than ever before into the Olympic sports. The quality of teams Utah fields will continue to improve as a result.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    @Ducky..."That is reality, that is fact. That is bad. Very bad."

    Yet that very bad football team continues to beat the cougies each year......LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    @2fer

    utah's basketball most certainly DOES NOT have a winning record RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW they are 8-8.

    RIGHT NOW utah's gymnastics is 0-1, losing record RIGHT NOW.

    RIGHT NOW utah's entire athletic program is bad, very bad, one of the worst overall athletic programs in D-1. That is a FACT RIGHT NOW. That is how things are.

    @2irreleventandacientwins

    So utah football is not a loser RIGHT NOW? I'm pretty sure 5-7 means losers. I also am pretty sure that successively worse records each year show a digression. That is how it is RIGHT NOW.

    Face it, utah's athletic program is a bad one, one of the worst in all of D-1, very poor very bad. Last season EVERY single sport utah sponsors had a losing record in their conference. ALL of them.

    That is reality, that is fact. That is bad. Very bad.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    @ducky...Do you read what you write before posting it?

    In the same post you say "RIGHT NOW every single other sport utah spnsors is a losing program, ALL OF THEM. That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality." and then you say "This coincides with several losing years, no ncaa tournament berths, and not having beaten BYU in several years, in fact they have lost to BYU 11 of the last 12 times and something like 14 of 16. That is RIGHT NOW."

    So I guess RIGHT NOW in basketball is the last 11 - 16 games. However in Football that is just RIGHT NOW today. It's so funny how you spin these web's to somehow try to make the cougies look better. Problem is Ducky you're not fooling anybody. Spin it anyway you want ducky but everybody but you and a few fellow blinded cougie fans on these threads know the truth. RIGHT NOW utah has the better football program and right now the cougies have the better basketball program.

    As you would say....That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    @ duckhunter

    It is never wise to speak in absolutes. Utah still has top notch gymnastics and skiing programs, so right there your assertion is false. W. basketball still is holding on to a winning record. M. swimming has looked good early this season as well. Most of Utah's teams have done very well in non-conference competition. Playing a plethora of top 10 teams in conference in almost every sport is weighing down on Utah's win totals. I believe Utah will be better for it in the long run though.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    @u 90

    I always enjoy how utah "fans" want to keep BYU in the present when it comes to atheltics but alternately, and conveniently, choose to ignore the present as it pertains to utah. Let me fill you in on the present, you know the way things are NOW.

    Now utah is a losing football team that did not even make it to a bowl game. This is simply the latest in several consecutive years that have each been worse than the year before. RIGHT NOW utah is getting worse and they are losers, that is the present, that is NOW.

    Right now utah's basketball team is mired in a 4 game losing streak that coincided with them playing the 1st halfway decent teams they played all year other than BYU. This coincides with several losing years, no ncaa tournament berths, and not having beaten BYU in several years, in fact they have lost to BYU 11 of the last 12 times and something like 14 of 16. That is RIGHT NOW.

    RIGHT NOW every single other sport utah spnsors is a losing program, ALL OF THEM. That is RIGHT NOW, that is reality.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 15, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    @ Striker "If some of those had not ended in FG being blocked, or hitting a post, or something related to a FG, it could easily be 6/11 instead"

    If "IFs" and "BUTs" were candy and nuts.... You're really going to play the IF game? Okay, I'll play. If Harlene on his knees and 4 & 18 hadn't happend it would be 10 of 11. See anyone can play the IF game but at the end of the day those who do are simply ignoring reality. And the reality is your team has been owned by the Utes

    @ truecoug1 "until you can find some way to actually finish the season with a winning record, I would avoid making references to being a "dominant program over BYU"

    Sorry to break the bad news to you trucoug but in the last 10 years Utah has had 9 wining seasons, 8 bowl wins and 2 BCS bowl wins. BYU hasn't

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    @U90 and Uteology

    I understand that your program is struggling right now, that U didn't go bowling this year, and that U are currently running your facilities out of a trailer park, which means that the only thing that you can beat your chest about is that wonderful 3 game winning streak over your rival, but let's stop with the "domination" thing.

    BYU's program has been better overall than Utah's for the past six years. Stomping your feet and saying that your program has been "dominant" over BYU because of three rivalry wins in a row, two in completely fluke fashion, is just little brotherish.

    Again, congrats on the 3 game win streak. But until you can find some way to actually finish the season with a winning record, I would avoid making references to being a "dominant program over BYU".

    Go Cougars!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    U 90

    Love the spin, but one game does not a season make; sooner or later Utah fans will finally figure out that beating BYU only gives you bragging rights for a single game.

    ranked is still better than unranked
    higher ranked is still better than lower ranked
    better record is still better than inferior record
    winning record is still better than losing record
    winning a bowl game is still better than watching from the couch

    Anybody who tries to argue differently is only fooling themselves.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    @U90 and Uteology

    I completely agree with Striker. I came home from my mission in time to see the 2009 BYU OT win over Utah. That win made it 3 wins in 4 years for BYU over the Utes, not to mention 2 conference championships to the Utes' 1, and 3 top 15 finishes to the Utes' 1 in that same time frame. BYU had "dominated" Utah in that period of time, but what did we hear from Ute fans?

    "We won a Sugar Bowl, we clearly have the better program", or "You just got lucky in those wins, if we had gotten some bounces it would've been 4 wins to 0".

    Now the shoe's on the other foot. Two of the past three games Utah has won because of crazy bounces and fluke plays. That's what makes it a great rivalry, because the games are so close. So by all means, tout the scoreboard, you've got it right now. But stop with the "domination" stuff because that's simply not the case. BYU has finished with a higher ranking than Utah in 2 of the last 3 years. We've also gone bowling in all three years.
    continued>>

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    I am personally excited that both programs have quality opponents. I think trying to argue who has the tougher schedule is impossible. So many variables come into play before next year even happens. I am just glad that both teams have found a way to make their programs stronger and better.

    Go UTES!!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    "The team with 8 wins owns the team with 3 wins.... that's the point."

    Comments like this crack me up. 8/11 wins is owning? If some of those had not ended in FG being blocked, or hitting a post, or something related to a FG, it could easily be 6/11 instead. It's an even matched series with Utah having the edge lately. Look at the years before that when BYU was blowing Utah out of this universe to the tune of 48-17, 70-31, 55-7, 56-28, 56-6, 27-0 from 1979-1992, with BYU winning almost all those games in that period. 8/11 with 3 blowouts since 2004 isn't better than 13-1 with multiple blowouts. Many of us on these boards were alive then and both sides can admit those times were truly dominating days of BYU over Utah. Either team winning by no more than 7 points in 3/9 games is hardly domination. It's call a good rivalry in the last 10 years in one sport. Dominance is Utah's wins over BYU in gymnastics, and BYU's wins over Utah in soccer, especially at Utah.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Eight months before fall camp begins, it's pointless to argue which team has the stronger SOS.

    Who could have predicted a year ago that USC would be on the outsided looking in at the Final 2012 rankings, while Utah State and San Jose State would both finish in the Top 25?

    Suffice it to say that BYU and Utah both have what appear to be very good schedules for 2013.

    Now it's up to each program to make the most of the opportunities those schedules present.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    2fer

    U aren't USC!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    @ phoenix

    "Money will never buy U a National Championship nor a Heisman Trophy."

    It worked for USC....

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Then again I don't expect a BYU fan to understand what playing in a real conference feels like."

    Don't kid yourself; BYU was playing the big boys long before Utah was even a blip on the national radar.

    "Who needs a trophy when you get millions from playing in the PAC-12, even in a bad year."

    Money will never buy U a National Championship nor a Heisman Trophy - the singular most sought after prizes in all of college sports.

    Call us the first time U beat a conference opponent with a winning record. Continually beating your chest about being a perennial conference bottom dweller is just plain pathetic.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    "When is Utah going to start awarding themselves trophies for having a tougher SOS than BYU?"

    As soon as BYU starts awarding itself a trophy for losing to Utah annually.

    Then again I don't expect a BYU fan to understand what playing in a real conference feels like. Maybe you should go post on TCU article.

    Who needs a trophy when you get millions from playing in the PAC-12, even in a bad year.

    "Playing in a real conference has simply proven that Utah didn't belong in the PAC 12 in the first place."

    Under Bronco BYU is 12-14 vs BCS teams so I guess by your logic BYU has simply proven that BYU doesn't belong in ANY real conference.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    @Naval Vet - Cougar fans would LOVE to "take out the head-to-head games"

    Uh, if I remember right, it was Chris Hill and Whit who took the hiatus, not BYU. There are not too many BYU football fans who want the rivalry to end, nor are the too many Ute fans who want it to end. Although your comments was an interesting diversion to the SOS question.

    Win or lose, 3 of the last 4 games have come down to the final play. What's not to like about that. Or maybe U would rather watch your Utes beat up on N. Colorado by 40, which does nothing to prepare the Utes for tough games in the PAC.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    @ Market It Down "BYU didn't play all cupcakes"

    Yes but BYU played 4 cupcakes while Utah played 1. Do you think that had anything to do with BYU having 7 wins vs. Utah's 5 in the regular season? Or do you not pay attention to SOS?

    @ Market It Down "the Utes would have lost to... BYU (remember, the game would have been played in Provo where the crowd noise wouldn't have influenced the bad snap that lead to Utah's scoop and score go ahead touchdown).

    Did you really just say that? I guess the visiting teams should then have all their losses negated due to crowd noise. Good one.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    @ deductive reasoning
    "NOBODY, except a desperately delusional Utah fan who can't accept reality, would try to argue that a 2-10 Colorado team was better than a 9-4 Utah team simply because Colorado won the head-to-head match up."

    You're missing the point, losing to a team one time in 10 years is a fluke. Utah losing to UNLV in 07 was a fluke, BYU losing to UNLV in 04 was a fluke. I think we can agree on that. However, losing to a team 8 times in 11 years is no fluke. The team with 8 wins owns the team with 3 wins.... that's the point

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Anyone know if BYU is trying to line up a 13th game? Looks like Idaho and New Mexico need help rounding out their schedule and BYU has 3 open dates. I like that they have a bye before the Utah and Utah State games. Perhaps they can get their act together like they do for bowl games so they can beat the in state teams.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    @motortrike

    I really like the "I said it, but I didn't really say it" argument. Very convincing.

    LOL!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    U90

    "U 90

    "Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU...?"

    Very likely, because BYU didn't play all cupcakes.

    Playing BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost to Utah State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, San Jose State, Oregon State, Boise State, and... BYU (remember, the game would have been played in Provo where the crowd noise wouldn't have influenced the bad snap that lead to Utah's scoop and score go ahead touchdown).

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    Uteology

    When is Utah going to start awarding themselves trophies for having a tougher SOS than BYU?

    Playing in a real conference has simply proven that Utah didn't belong in the PAC 12 in the first place.

    -------

    U90

    The only hole I see is the gaping hole in your weak spin that completely ignores the fact that seasons are judged one season at a time.

    It wouldn't matter if Colorado had beaten U 10 straight seasons in a row, NOBODY, except a desperately delusional Utah fan who can't accept reality, would try to argue that a 2-10 Colorado team was better than a 9-4 Utah team simply because Colorado won the head-to-head match up.

    No, Utah fans are simply going to have to accept reality that consistently better records and higher rankings prove that BYU has had a better overall football program than Utah during the Bronco/Kyle era.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    What you are forgetting is that this fall the Cougars won't have Riley Nelson to carry. That puts 3 more wins in the Cougar schedule.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:16 p.m.

    What has the utes done to deserve their Pac pay check? Nothing but an entitlement.

    Opps! They improved the winning record of the other teams, allowing them to reach bowl games. More income for the conference. Good job.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    To the Deseret News moderators I DEMAND to speak to an editor, if not i will be going to the 1st preasdency of the church i,m tired of my posts being denied when i even mention trolls on the d news thread, yesterday i seen no less than 7 people talking about the trolls on here and their comments got posted, to me this is discrimination and if i have to i will talk to the editor in chief of this paper,this paper is beginning to look more and more like the tribune with their hateful comments being posted every day ,i have never once posted a hateful comment on here except to defend myself when i felt that i was being personally attacked.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    2011 TCU SOS #82 .... 11-2
    2012 TCU SOS #16 .... 7-6

    Like TCU and Utah, BYU is about to find out what a playing a real schedule feels like.

    Unlike BYU, playing in a real conference will help improve talent at Utah and TCU.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    U 90

    "Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU (Weber, Idaho, Mew Mexico State, Hawaii) instead of 1 cupcake (N. Arizona)?"

    Quit making so much sense!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Utanymous

    I'll give you this, that was a great attempt to make sense of your original comment ... but you still failed to make any sense as to what Utah vs Arizona has to do with Utah vs BYU. Arizona could beat the Utes by 50 and it would have absolutely nothing to do with what would happen in another BYU/Utah game.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Those that can't root for more than one team are missing out on half the fun. I'm looking forward to both seasons.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    "In the end, it really doesn’t matter whose schedule is tougher...What really matters are the win-loss records each team can salvage out of next year's brutal slates."

    What? You didn't mean that.

    I would take 50/50 loses with tough schedules than unbeaten cupcake seasons.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    @Truth Machine.
    "Of course, if you try using that same argument regarding teams that the Utes have lost to over the years - Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming - the kids on the hill will laugh in your face. UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)? preposterous! "

    The hole in your argument is that Utah hasn't been owned by Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming over the past 10 years. On the other hand, Utah has owned BYU. See the difference?

    How can any Y fan say BYU currently has a better program than Utah's when you have lost 3 in a row. Don't give me your ridiculous W/L records over the past 3 years because your schedule has been full of WAC and Big Sky opponents. Do you really think Utah would have been kept out of a bowl in 2012 if they had played 4 cupcakes like BYU (Weber, Idaho, Mew Mexico State, Hawaii) instead of 1 cupcake (N. Arizona)?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    Just the FAX
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Utah finished at the bottom of the PAC 12 and BYU still couldn't beat them. That's three in a row and 8 of 11. Those are the FAX.

    LOL

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    chrissy

    "I love being in a BCS conference!"

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not in any conference; you've simply chosen to be a fan of a team that happens to be a bottom dwelling member of the PAC 12.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Does this mean that utah will have a legitimate excuse to finish in the bottom end of the conference (again)??

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    You wrote: "BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small."

    I wrote: "We'll see if your theory holds when Arizona visits the Huntsman later this season. I'm predicting a double-digit win for the Wildcats in the rematch."

    You wrote: Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?

    My response: The gap for a single game doesn't necessarily indicate the real gap between the two teams. That's why I predicted that despite the close 3-point gap in Tempe, Arizona would beat the Utes by double-digits in SLC. The same theory holds for a rematch of BYU at Utah. BYU would win by about 5. Sagarin's "Predictor" supports my predictions, hence, the coorelation.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    A compliment is in store for Mr Sorenson. He came right out and admitted this was a fluff story.

    "In the end, it really doesn't matter whose schedule is tougher. It just gives fans something else to argue about during the long months between football seasons. (And it gives columnists like this one something to write about in the dog days of January)."

    But it did generate a grundle of comments including the usual slams and childish slurs from haters and justification comments from defenders.

    I will bite to the degree that it will be very difficult for either team to win six games. For all the BCS chest beaters, if Utah or BYU do not win, their is no path for either to any big money games.

    Ironically and absolutely not even close to realistic, if both teams won all their games, except for the one that one must lose in their rival game, both would be in a BCS game next year.

    If they do not win six, both will be bottom feeders. I will worry about rankings when the new teams take the field. The current rankings are old history.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    Great summary at 2:31 p.m., but why are you trying to confuse the issue by citing actual results?

    Utah fans live under the mistaken delusion that if they repeat their head-to-head mantra long enough, people will actually start to believe that one-game results are actually more important than season-long results.

    Of course, if you try using that same argument regarding teams that the Utes have lost to over the years - Colorado, UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, and Wyoming - the kids on the hill will laugh in your face.

    UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)? preposterous!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    @motortrike

    LOL!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    "The bottom half of the WCC is indeed weak, but the Utes wouldn't finish higher than 5th, behind Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary's, and Santa Clara, and the Utes would struggle to beat LMU and San Francisco on the road."

    This is a reasonable comment. I think Utah would do a little better than you think, but I could also see it going the way you see it. I'm probably a little too vocal lately on how bad the WCC is (I'll work on it), but thank you for such a logical post, it's refreshing. (I'm talking in general, that's not meant to be a lame jab at other comments from you)

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    I asked you: "What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?"

    Your terribly weak response was: "Only a crimson-goggles wearing Utah fan would be so blind as to not see the obvious correlation."

    Tell you what, I'll admit to being blind if you'll actually answer the question with any bit of logic versus running from it like you so predictably did.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    motorbike

    The bottom half of the WCC is indeed weak, but the Utes wouldn't finish higher than 5th, behind Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary's, and Santa Clara, and the Utes would struggle to beat LMU and San Francisco on the road.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    CougFaninTX

    "Unfortunately, the U drags down BYUs SOS. And BYU improves Utahs SOS. Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS. If BYUs final game is against at team with a ranked 30 or lower, BYU has the more difficult schedule."

    Your missing a MAJOR part of SOS which is factoring in who you play at home versus who you play on the road. Sorry, but BYU would still come up short by quite a bit. Just the truth.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    motorbike

    "Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?"

    Only a crimson-goggles wearing Utah fan would be so blind as to not see the obvious correlation.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Regarding your comment at 12:56 p.m. Jan. 14, 2013.
    That was absolutely the most accurate and common sense post I've ever seen on one of these threads. That said, not one BYU fan will digest it but will instead choose to ignore it and pretend none of it is true.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    More delusion SOS spin from our little friend on the hill.

    2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl
    2011 BYU(10-3) #25 > Utah(8-5) unranked
    2010 Utah(10-3) #23 > BYU(7-6) unranked
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12 > Utah(10-3) #18/#18
    2008 *Utah(13-0) #2/#4 > BYU(10-3) #25/#21
    2007 *BYU(11-2) #14/#14 > Utah(9-4) unranked
    2006 *BYU(11-2) #16/#15 > Utah(8-5) unranked
    2005 Utah(7-5) unranked > BYU(6-6) unranked

    #conference champion

    FIVE of the EIGHT seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished with a BETTER RECORD and HIGHER RANKING in the national polls and in Sagarin than Utah.

    BYU doesn't need to "hide" behind their schedule; BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, versus only TWO for the Utes. Utah played more middle-level teams than BYU, but, as Utah fans have argued incessantly over the past several years, the true strength of a schedule is based on how many Top 25 teams you played.

    If Utah fans desperately need a Brownie prize for playing a slightly better overall SOS, enjoy.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    BTW, I have no problem standing behind my other comment about Utah fighting it out with St. Mary's and BYU for the 2-4 seeds in the terrible WCC. That said, Utah would probably end #4.

    Honestly, the WCC is atrocious.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    I applaud you for digging up those quotes from me. Funny though, you ended up helping my argument more than yours!

    Your original comment was this: "That has not stopped utah "fans" like yourself from claiming that utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year."

    My comment was this: "I challenge you to go find those statements from Utah fans you're talking about..."

    Your response was a recent quote from me: "this years Utah squad is every bit BYU's equal"

    Bottom line? You're right, I own that comment even though the context was such that I was saying the teams are very close.

    HOWEVER, your other quotes from me actually helped my argument NOT yours! I make it very clear that I found Utah "nearly" as good, and "closely talented."

    LOL, you should've stopped at the first quote. As you've so kindly helped me prove, I've made it very clear that I see BYU as being slightly better than Utah. So yes, go ahead and post "several more statements from [ME] claiming utah is as good as BYU." Good luck with that!

    LOL!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    I highly doubt BYU will get a good opponent for their 12th game, but as has been shown in this article they have a plenty good enough schedule anyway.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    BYU makes everyone's strength of schedule better.

  • armchairQBonthehill Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Gotta love Dr. Hill's arranging this schedule (now having to do a complete 180 degree change). . .D news and Tribune both reported Hill indicated the last homer with Weber State was "a courtesy to former Utah coaching legend Ronnie Mac" and that there would be no more of these patsy games with FBS teams. Now it is supposedly in the interest of a "balanced schedule" because the PAC 12 schedule together with the other non-conf game are "TOO HARD".

    No kidding those Colorados, Wash State, and all the rest are too hard. Love it, but we get Michigan in our house.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Nothing was said until the DNews brought it up.

    Utah does have 7 home games this year. Utah also plays 4 games, has a bye, plays 4 more and has another bye. With a tough schedule, there is some relief. Tough schedule is always going to be an issue in the Pac 12 as the risk-reward is much higher. The road to the BCS game was a lot easier in the MWC but I still enjoy having good teams come to the stadium nearly every week. I am still renewing my tickets next year and trying to get two more. I bought two hoops tix last week and was told there are over 600 fans waiting for additional tickets to come available. The fans are still showing up.

    With a bad record we still averaged over 45,346 for the year. The stadium holds 45,017. Back in the MWC, we would have dropped by over 10,000 fans if we weren't playing well.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    I wrote: "BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small."

    You wrote: "We'll see if your theory holds when Arizona visits the Huntsman later this season. I'm predicting a double-digit win for the Wildcats in the rematch."

    Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS."

    Cougar fans would LOVE to "take out the head-to-head games" when considering their big brother. Afterall, head-to-head, you all hadn't fared very well against us. And speaking of "taking away", take out all those weak-WAC bottomfeeders from your schedule, and you'll find out soon enough what a strong SOS does to your overall W/L record. Your fans like to hide behind your W/L record while playing WAC football, and point to Sagarin -- whose primary metric for ranking is W/L records -- as though it validates your program, but Ute fans see through the veneer. Just compare your SOS in 2011 vs. 2012: SOS went UP; wins went DOWN.

    And as wins go DOWN, so does your Sagarin ranking. And don't give us any of that "rebuilding year" nonsense. Your SOS will skyrocker over your last 2 years, and THAT will be the reason your overall W/L record (and Sagarin final ranking) will continue to drop.

    3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11 proved Utah was the better team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    Not to worry Cougfanin TX, by hte time next year plays out, Utah will help BYUs SOS more than the other way around.

    The fact of the matter is that both teams play good schedules, now it's time to go out and beat team's on these schedules. 5, 6, 7 loss season's aren't worth a rip. GO UTES

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @Naval Vet - Unfortunately, the U drags down BYUs SOS. And BYU improves Utahs SOS. Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS. If BYUs final game is against at team with a ranked 30 or lower, BYU has the more difficult schedule.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Byu will be #1 champs, we already now that.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    I am proud that USU adds to the sos of both schools.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    worf

    "Utah moved to the Pac, and now whine about playing a tougher scedule."

    No Ute fan is whining about tougher schedules, in fact we're absolutely thrilled with playing tougher schedules. We're simply providing some of Duckhunter's "balance" for you Coogies when you get all out of whack thinking 10-win football seasons and 25-win basketball seasons are remotely the same accomplishment to that of teams who play a real schedule. But don't worry, we're starting to understand more and more everyday that you guys will never quite get that.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    From last year's preseason through the end of bowl season, every SOS rating service ranked the Utes' schedule as significantly tougher than the cougs'. Yet that didn't stop our Indy-WACery little brother from proclaiming otherwise. I wouldn't expect Y fans would behave any differently in 2013.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    @motorbike

    Here's another one, from YOU in that same article this one at 8:38 p.m. Jan 2nd.

    "Hahahaha! We've got some serious blue-goggled dreamers out today. I love how each and every one of you has to try and spin the 3 point victory over Utah as something other than what it really is ... a game showing how very closely talented these 2012-13 rosters actually are."

    Then there is this gem, once again from YOU.

    "Deal with it, Utah is nearly as good as your cougars this year and would compete similarly in the terrible WCC. I'm sorry this is hurting your precious egos so very, very much."

    There's more of them to motortrike. I can post several more statements from YOU personally claiming utah is as good as BYU and would compete for the 2-4 spots in the WCC this year.

    Do you want me to do it?

    LOL!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    CougarFaninTx says "Reasonableness could put Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame, and Texas as Top 10 teams."

    Perhaps you didn't watch the national championship game where Notre Dame was exposed as a Top 10 Fraud. One loss next year, and they'll see no mercy. Both Notre Dame and Utah beat BYU by 3 points, so that reveals where Notre Dame is really at.

    Your view of Texas as a Top 10 team is the wishful dream of a Texas resident. Some of your fellow residents say the Mack Brown magic is done, and its time for him to go. They've been sliding for 4 years. What miracle is showing up at camp to save them this year?

    All in all, though, I agree that BYU has the tougher schedule, because they have an inexperienced quarterback and new OC.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    @motorbike

    "Before anyone can believe your claim of hypocrisy, I challenge you to go find those statements from Utah fans you're talking about where we say Utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year. We'll be waiting."

    Uh motortrike apparently you don't even remeber what you posted in the last few days.

    From the Dnews article "PAC 12 Basketball Preview" dated december 31st. here is YOUR comment in that article dated Jan. 2nd 10:46 a.m.

    "Back to BYU and Utah basketball ... yes, this years Utah squad is every bit BYU's equal."

    That's you motortrike, you posted those exact words less than 2 weeks ago. So are you not a utah "fan"?

    LOL!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    motorbike

    "BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small."

    We'll see if your theory holds when Arizona visits the Huntsman later this season.

    I'm predicting a double-digit win for the Wildcats in the rematch.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    2B

    "Utah football has so far surpassed the team down south it's not even a comparison anymore."

    Then, please explain the following:

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowls
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    Losses to conference bottom dwellers - CSU, Wyo, UNLV, NM, Col
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 6

    Losses to 10-loss teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    Losing seasons
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 1

    Bottom line:

    Kyle has been better head-to-head, but Bronco has been better overall. Except for his perfect storm season in 2008, Kyle hasn't done anything.

    Utah is an historically mediocre program, that had a couple of recent break-through seasons, but has been in steady decline back to mediocrity ever since their high-water mark in 2008.

    Your recent 3-game head-to-head winning streak against BYU is the ONLY thing you've had going for U since 2008. When that ends in 2013, you'll be left with nothing but fighting WSU and Colorado to stay out of the PAC 12 basement.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Y Grad/ Y Dad

    Let's not have the pot calling the kettle black. The simple fact that BYU and Utah are rivals means there will always be comparisons between the two. And let's not fool ourselves in who does the comparing between the two. As long as these two institutions exist people will compare them, from the most die hard fans to people who are truly neutral and many in between.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    @ AZ Blue & Red,

    Amen, brother! My sentiments exactly! Thanks for a grown up post!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    "@reasonableute - utah has lost to BYU in basketball 11 of the last 12 times. That has not stopped utah "fans" like yourself from claiming that utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year, and of course utah lost to BYU in basketball again this year. In otherwords hypocrisy drips from your post."
    _____________

    Before anyone can believe your claim of hypocrisy, I challenge you to go find those statements from Utah fans you're talking about where we say Utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year. We'll be waiting.

    Now that said, It would've been interesting to see Utah and BYU play a rematch at the Huntsman Center this year. BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Say its not so, schedule Idaho and or New Mexico State in 2013? I thought BYU was on to bigger and better things. LOL!
    Oh well, they are your new band of brothers while riding the coat tails of Notre Dame.

    Byufanforlife said:

    "@Chris B your precious BCS will be gone in 2014 so the " significant" bowls will be gone"

    The significant bowls will still be there. I would not call BYUs upcoming bowl agreements significant though.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    shorts

    "Well BYU last three games are Nov 11, Wisconsin, Nov 16 Notre Dame, Dec 12 Hawaii. you were saying?"

    Did you actually read the article? I was talking about the 1 or 2 games that are not currently scheduled. So as you put it ... you were saying?

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    RE:reasonableUTE
    Provo, UT
    I really don't know you enough to call you names. If you are calling yourself that, you would know.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    @reasonableute

    utah has lost to BYU in basketball 11 of the last 12 times. That has not stopped utah "fans" like yourself from claiming that utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year, and of course utah lost to BYU in basketball again this year. In otherwords hypocrisy drips from your post.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Utah moved to the Pac, and now whine about playing a tougher scedule.

    Go figure.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Just a side note BYU is 13th in Americain Learfield Sports Directors’ Cup, just behind Texas, Washington, and Michigan State, and just ahead of Georgetown, Syracuse, and Texas A&M. BYU always does well in this broad ranking of athletic programs, but that's a little higher than normal, thanks to the girls' soccer and volleyball teams having better-than-average years.

    Gee, I wonder if BYU's absence from a major conference has anything to do with not playing on Sunday, or religious affiliation, or opposition to gay marriage. Naw!

    Other local schools: Utah State is 68th, and Southern Utah is 148th. The University of Utah is unranked.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    Does it really matter? Chrissy bcs knows it does. Can we all ignore this nonsense person. Chis mommy knows it.

    I just hope we don't play those Idaho and NM State in November.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    motorbike
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    "I think we all know what the last game or two on BYU's schedule will look like."

    Well BYU last three games are Nov 11, Wisconsin, Nov 16 Notre Dame, Dec 12 Hawaii. you were saying?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    @2irreleventandancientwins

    Ancient history. Last I checked utah went 5-7 and spent the holidays at home. That is current, that is now, that is relevent.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    I love love love how BYU fans still gloat after consistently losing to the Utes. I don't know about everyone else, but typically, the trash talking on my end stops when I lose. I was taught that trash talking even after you lose is a seriously low class move... but what do I know right? I'm just a uneducated, anti-mormon Ute fan right Cougars?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Sorry, Mr. Sorensen, I'm not going to take the bait. Who cares which schedule is more difficult? Bowl games, which any football season is all about, is about nothing more than Wins and Losses. Further, as a Cougs fan, our bowl game in 2013 is already known & agreed upon. We will certainly reach the bowl game 6-win minimum and will play in the Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco. I'm sure the rest of the Cougs fans have BCS aspirations for "something better." Not in 2013.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    @phoenix and sounds right

    3 straight, 8 of 11, overall well thats not even close, 2 undefeated seasons in the last 8 years, a sugar bowl and fiesta bowl trophy in the last 8 years. Utah football has so far surpassed the team down south it's not even a comparison anymore. Why don't both of you hit the San jose st threads and compare yourself to a team thats about equal to the cougies.

    Phoenix...We don't have to beat our chest out SOS or rankings we just prove who's better on the field where it matters.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Am I the only one that hopes both teams do well?

    This is not a contest. These are 2 teams that have a different path with the same goal. Grow up guys we are not in kindergarten. Not sure if my brother can beat up your brother. WHO CARES?

    May both teams do well. And throw in Utah State too as they have turned a corner.

  • Sounds right.. Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Chris B... Who cares if you are in a BCS conf if you never win anything in it. Utah pretty much never won conference championships in anything while in the MTN west. Everybody knows BYU should have got into the PAC if it was not for religion issues and they would bring in twice the amount of money as Utah and a much better overall sports program. You guys are like the iowa st of the big 12 after your first 2 years or the wyoming and new mexico(football) of the mtn west, good job riding the coat tails of much better schools though.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    When looking at next year's schedule, looking at the rankings and SOS of the opponents from last year is a starting place, but not the ending place. There are so many unknowns.

    Reasonableness could put Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame, and Texas as Top 10 teams. Will Utah State and Wisconsin be better or worse with new coaches? Nobody knows. Let's resume this argument in October when we know more about all the teams.

    For once can we just agree that both teams have the most difficult schedules they've had in the modern era, and they are fairly comparable.

    Can we also agree that being in a conference that is an AQ for the Rose Bowl is meaningless unless you're the #1 team in the conference, and for the next four years the liklihood of the Utes being #1 is about the same as the liklihood I'll win the lottery. Maybe the first poster on this thread should focus more attention on getting her team eligible for the New Mexico bowl instead of the Rose Bowl?

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    What good does it do to play a tough schedule when you cant't a team on the field to compete? Now let's look at the Ute Ball schedule. They scheduled patsies and can't get past .500. I see a downward spiral in both major sports. I think I will stay with the winning big brothers down south.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    @ phoenix

    This is an article about SOS. Last years SOS came up, so it was discussed. You brought up where each team finished. In this context, your post is a completely irrelevant tangent.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    two fer

    Utah fans continue to beat their chests about SOS, even when Utah finishes lower in the final rankings, so, quite obviously, understanding is lacking.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    @ Phoenix

    We all understand that. What you don't seem to understand is that nobody was talking about achievement. We were talking about who played a tougher schedule (Utah). Try to keep up.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    2013 - I'm anxious to see how both teams play. The Y's schedule is comparable to the U's. Now lets see how both teams fare. The major difference is that beyond 2013 the U's season are compareable to next years... actually probably significantly more difficult with the addition of Michigan for 2014 and 2015; whereas, the Y's schedule is far from complete so there is no knowing what the future holds for them.

    Good luck to both schools next year.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    SOS is a measuring stick.

    Ranking is a measurement of accomplishment.

    Sagarin ranked Utah's SOS about 20 places higher than BYU's SOS, but

    Sagarin ranked BYU about 40 places higher than Utah.

    Someday our little friends on the hill will finally figure out which of the two is more important.

    The rest of the country already understands that very simple concept.

    Here's a clue:

    Championship Trophies are awarded for finishing #1 in the rankings, NOT for having the #1 SOS.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 13, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    Who cares if you play good teams if you never beat any of them. U were brought in to be the conference doormat an it's working. Both teams should shut up and just win!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 9:27 p.m.

    @ Spokaloo

    BYU also played 5 teams ranked right around 200. Sagarin, and his unbiased computers have Utah's SOS ranked 20 spots higher than BYU. Overall, Utah played higher quality opponents.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 13, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    The fact that a U sports beat writer makes the comparison... I mean, U all EXPECT BYU fans and sports writers to compare us to U, yet here U are, the team that left us in the dust, and you just can't quit comparing, can U?

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    Jan. 13, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    All conjecture at this point. BYU schedule included teams that finished 4, 16, 18, 20, and 21 in the final AP poll. Utah's schedule finished playing teams that finished 16, and 20 in the polls. BYU had a tougher schedule this year with 5 ranked teams to Utah's 2. At the start of the season I would have bet the farm Utah had a tougher schedule. Turned out to be false.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    spokaloo

    "BYU's would be tougher, but Utah's 61 ranking drags BYU down. Whereas, when they play BYU, it helps Utah's SOS."

    First of all that alone would still not make BYU's schedule tougher. But secondly, we all know BYU will just lose to Utah again anyway. So in the end it just won't matter much for you guys.

  • Byufanforlife Pacific Grove, CA
    Jan. 13, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    @Chris B your precious BCS will be gone in 2014 so the " significant" bowls will be gone

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    Bottom line, I wouldn't care if the numbers are even comparable. Having a conference makes your schedule tougher. In a conference anyone can be a threat.

  • hardball1 Highland, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    Ya Chris B, don't you just love it? Now Utah can lose at home AND on the road to the same team each year in most sports and alternate years in football. How much will the basketball team lose by when they play @ USC (the 141st ranked team in the country according to Sagarin, who just beat them on their home floor by 17)? Moral victories are great!

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    re: chrissyb

    All a tougher schedule will do for the utes is keep you out of a bowl for the second consecutive year and hasten kyle's departure.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    I'm glad Mike Sorenson was the one to say it since coug fans have argued differently for months now. It's pretty obvious that the U has the tougher schedule of the two and I think we all know what the last game or two on BYU's schedule will look like.
    That said, props to the cougs for stepping it up, there are some good games to be played in both Provo and SLC this year (and on the road of course). This is how it should be.

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    Jan. 13, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    BYU's would be tougher, but Utah's 61 ranking drags BYU down. Whereas, when they play BYU, it helps Utah's SOS.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    I love being in a BCS conference! Home and homes with top teams in the nation, year after year, after year.

    Unlike the 2 for 1's other schools have to schedule. Such is the life of "AQ's" and "non-AQ's"

    And p.s. No the BCS is essentially not goign anywhere. The significant(aka BCS) bowls will always schedule agreements with significant conferences. WAC teams such as Utah state and BYU need not apply.

    Think the Rose Bowl will be reaching out to the WAC teams soon hoping the WAC champion will play in Pasadena?

    Nope.

    Long live the BCS!