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Published: Sunday, Jan. 13 2013 5:30 p.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Here's another one, from YOU in that same article this one at 8:38 p.m. Jan 2nd.

"Hahahaha! We've got some serious blue-goggled dreamers out today. I love how each and every one of you has to try and spin the 3 point victory over Utah as something other than what it really is ... a game showing how very closely talented these 2012-13 rosters actually are."

Then there is this gem, once again from YOU.

"Deal with it, Utah is nearly as good as your cougars this year and would compete similarly in the terrible WCC. I'm sorry this is hurting your precious egos so very, very much."

There's more of them to motortrike. I can post several more statements from YOU personally claiming utah is as good as BYU and would compete for the 2-4 spots in the WCC this year.

Do you want me to do it?

LOL!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

From last year's preseason through the end of bowl season, every SOS rating service ranked the Utes' schedule as significantly tougher than the cougs'. Yet that didn't stop our Indy-WACery little brother from proclaiming otherwise. I wouldn't expect Y fans would behave any differently in 2013.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

worf

"Utah moved to the Pac, and now whine about playing a tougher scedule."

No Ute fan is whining about tougher schedules, in fact we're absolutely thrilled with playing tougher schedules. We're simply providing some of Duckhunter's "balance" for you Coogies when you get all out of whack thinking 10-win football seasons and 25-win basketball seasons are remotely the same accomplishment to that of teams who play a real schedule. But don't worry, we're starting to understand more and more everyday that you guys will never quite get that.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

I am proud that USU adds to the sos of both schools.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Byu will be #1 champs, we already now that.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@Naval Vet - Unfortunately, the U drags down BYUs SOS. And BYU improves Utahs SOS. Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS. If BYUs final game is against at team with a ranked 30 or lower, BYU has the more difficult schedule.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Not to worry Cougfanin TX, by hte time next year plays out, Utah will help BYUs SOS more than the other way around.

The fact of the matter is that both teams play good schedules, now it's time to go out and beat team's on these schedules. 5, 6, 7 loss season's aren't worth a rip. GO UTES

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

"Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS."

Cougar fans would LOVE to "take out the head-to-head games" when considering their big brother. Afterall, head-to-head, you all hadn't fared very well against us. And speaking of "taking away", take out all those weak-WAC bottomfeeders from your schedule, and you'll find out soon enough what a strong SOS does to your overall W/L record. Your fans like to hide behind your W/L record while playing WAC football, and point to Sagarin -- whose primary metric for ranking is W/L records -- as though it validates your program, but Ute fans see through the veneer. Just compare your SOS in 2011 vs. 2012: SOS went UP; wins went DOWN.

And as wins go DOWN, so does your Sagarin ranking. And don't give us any of that "rebuilding year" nonsense. Your SOS will skyrocker over your last 2 years, and THAT will be the reason your overall W/L record (and Sagarin final ranking) will continue to drop.

3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11 proved Utah was the better team.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Uteanymous

I wrote: "BYU won the only game between the two that will be played this season so clearly BYU is the better team ... they won. However it was fairly obvious that the gap between them is quite small."

You wrote: "We'll see if your theory holds when Arizona visits the Huntsman later this season. I'm predicting a double-digit win for the Wildcats in the rematch."

Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?

KamUte
South Jordan, UT

Nothing was said until the DNews brought it up.

Utah does have 7 home games this year. Utah also plays 4 games, has a bye, plays 4 more and has another bye. With a tough schedule, there is some relief. Tough schedule is always going to be an issue in the Pac 12 as the risk-reward is much higher. The road to the BCS game was a lot easier in the MWC but I still enjoy having good teams come to the stadium nearly every week. I am still renewing my tickets next year and trying to get two more. I bought two hoops tix last week and was told there are over 600 fans waiting for additional tickets to come available. The fans are still showing up.

With a bad record we still averaged over 45,346 for the year. The stadium holds 45,017. Back in the MWC, we would have dropped by over 10,000 fans if we weren't playing well.

armchairQBonthehill
Salt Lake City, UT

Gotta love Dr. Hill's arranging this schedule (now having to do a complete 180 degree change). . .D news and Tribune both reported Hill indicated the last homer with Weber State was "a courtesy to former Utah coaching legend Ronnie Mac" and that there would be no more of these patsy games with FBS teams. Now it is supposedly in the interest of a "balanced schedule" because the PAC 12 schedule together with the other non-conf game are "TOO HARD".

No kidding those Colorados, Wash State, and all the rest are too hard. Love it, but we get Michigan in our house.

Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU makes everyone's strength of schedule better.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I highly doubt BYU will get a good opponent for their 12th game, but as has been shown in this article they have a plenty good enough schedule anyway.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

I applaud you for digging up those quotes from me. Funny though, you ended up helping my argument more than yours!

Your original comment was this: "That has not stopped utah "fans" like yourself from claiming that utah is as good as BYU in basketball this year."

My comment was this: "I challenge you to go find those statements from Utah fans you're talking about..."

Your response was a recent quote from me: "this years Utah squad is every bit BYU's equal"

Bottom line? You're right, I own that comment even though the context was such that I was saying the teams are very close.

HOWEVER, your other quotes from me actually helped my argument NOT yours! I make it very clear that I found Utah "nearly" as good, and "closely talented."

LOL, you should've stopped at the first quote. As you've so kindly helped me prove, I've made it very clear that I see BYU as being slightly better than Utah. So yes, go ahead and post "several more statements from [ME] claiming utah is as good as BYU." Good luck with that!

LOL!

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

BTW, I have no problem standing behind my other comment about Utah fighting it out with St. Mary's and BYU for the 2-4 seeds in the terrible WCC. That said, Utah would probably end #4.

Honestly, the WCC is atrocious.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Naval Vet

More delusion SOS spin from our little friend on the hill.

2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl
2011 BYU(10-3) #25 > Utah(8-5) unranked
2010 Utah(10-3) #23 > BYU(7-6) unranked
2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12 > Utah(10-3) #18/#18
2008 *Utah(13-0) #2/#4 > BYU(10-3) #25/#21
2007 *BYU(11-2) #14/#14 > Utah(9-4) unranked
2006 *BYU(11-2) #16/#15 > Utah(8-5) unranked
2005 Utah(7-5) unranked > BYU(6-6) unranked

#conference champion

FIVE of the EIGHT seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished with a BETTER RECORD and HIGHER RANKING in the national polls and in Sagarin than Utah.

BYU doesn't need to "hide" behind their schedule; BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, versus only TWO for the Utes. Utah played more middle-level teams than BYU, but, as Utah fans have argued incessantly over the past several years, the true strength of a schedule is based on how many Top 25 teams you played.

If Utah fans desperately need a Brownie prize for playing a slightly better overall SOS, enjoy.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Naval Vet

Regarding your comment at 12:56 p.m. Jan. 14, 2013.
That was absolutely the most accurate and common sense post I've ever seen on one of these threads. That said, not one BYU fan will digest it but will instead choose to ignore it and pretend none of it is true.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

motorbike

"Question: What in the world does Arizona playing Utah have to do with the gap between BYU and Utah?"

Only a crimson-goggles wearing Utah fan would be so blind as to not see the obvious correlation.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

CougFaninTX

"Unfortunately, the U drags down BYUs SOS. And BYU improves Utahs SOS. Take out the head to head game and it's very close based on last years SOS. If BYUs final game is against at team with a ranked 30 or lower, BYU has the more difficult schedule."

Your missing a MAJOR part of SOS which is factoring in who you play at home versus who you play on the road. Sorry, but BYU would still come up short by quite a bit. Just the truth.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

motorbike

The bottom half of the WCC is indeed weak, but the Utes wouldn't finish higher than 5th, behind Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary's, and Santa Clara, and the Utes would struggle to beat LMU and San Francisco on the road.

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