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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    You don't counter anything, you just troll. Example: "You mean that tremendous, Earth shattering, bracket busting, season saving, widely lauded, upset of the powerhouse utah team couldn't even save this guys job? Unbelievable." It's weird that a grown man would stoop so low just for attention. To each his own though.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    FAX, so you're claiming #281 Northern Arizona as a boon to the schedule strength? It was a post-Christmas game scheduled as a sure win to prep for the upcoming conference schedule, same thing that College of Idaho was scheduled as. I'm not getting into the mindless trash talk, just pointing out a discrepancy in logic.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    @2fer

    Where did I ever say "I'll behave when other people behave"? I never made any such statement, 1st of all I don't mis"behave" to begin with. What I said was in direct response to your assertion about people "calling me out". My point is that utah "fans" "calling me out" is of no consequence to me, if anything it is funny and hypocritical because they never "call out" the utah "fans" who I simply counter. If any of you ever "call out" any of them, and it has never happened, not one time, then I would give some credence to you "calling me out". That is what I said and I mean it.

    But none of you will ever do that, you just told us you wouldn't in your last post. The only ones you'll ever "call out" are the BYU fans and that is because you don't like to read comments about utah that are anything less than effusive praise. Once again hypocrisy on display.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Just because I have a different opinion than you does not make me "low class". Also, unlike you, I don't shamelessly troll every one of BYU's articles. I enjoy talking sports and I provide my opinion and if I disagree with something previously said, I say as much and give rationale. However, it's not my job to patrol the internet and police other posters just because I happen to cheer for the same team. Lastly, the "I won't behave until other people behave" is a weak excuse. You can't control other people, but you can control your behavior...

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "Probably close to the same impact that having Eastern New Mexico would have on BYU's, and not much different from having Northern Arizona already on it."

    I'll give you Eastern New Mexico and Willamette are probably a wash, but you're seriously going to try arguing that D-1 Northern Arizona (a team that beat Sac St, U know the same Sac St team that BEAT U at home) is about the same as NAIA College of Idaho (a team that LOST to Northwest Nazarene). Get real!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    @2fer

    The irony of being "called out" by utah "fans" is delicious to me. It is constant evidence of your hypocrisy.

    Next time you call yourself out for your low class behavior on BYU articles, or you call out chris b, naval vet, uteology, howard s, or any of the MANY low class utah "fans" for their behavior then I will take your words as constructive. You won't ever do that so they will simply be forever enshrined as the hypocrisy that they are.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    @QP

    "Hold on tight to that trophy because that is something BYU will never do again! LOL!"

    It's something that Utah will never do, period!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 16, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    kewpie

    "You're right about the national championship being the "epitome of major college football." Too bad BYU's has a big asterisk next to it."

    Only in the jealous minds of the kids on the hill.

    As listed on the Official NCAA Website

    NCAA FBS Championship History
    Year | Champion | Selecting Organization
    1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    Notice that there's absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the listings for Oklahoma, BYU and Miami

    All three schools were CONCENSUS National Champions - selected by a majority of the voters of all five major national selecting organizations.

    BYU's 1984 national championship was just as legitimate as any other national championship.

    Show me the criteria that says a team must play in a certain bowl or play "x" number of ranked teams in order to be the national champion.

    BYU won 24 straight games in 1983 and 1984, including road wins against two Top 15 teams (UCLA and Air Force), and finished in the Top 7 in back-to-back years.

    Call us the first time Utah wins 24 straight games.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    @ BYUCOLORADO

    Utah's SOS in basketball is 79. BYU's is 91....

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 15, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    The USC coach got fired after kicking u butt. What does that say for krosto?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    redfeather, "Just imagine what including a couple of teams ranked well below 350 would do to Utah's SOS."

    Probably close to the same impact that having Eastern New Mexico would have on BYU's, and not much different from having Northern Arizona already on it.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    U 90

    "How do you figure that when Sagarin ranks Utah's schedule at 79 and BYU's at 91."

    If you looked closer, you'd notice that Sagarin's record for Utah is 6-8. That's because Sagarin doesn't even include Willamette (Div II) and College of Idaho (NAIA) in Utah's win total. Just imagine what including a couple of teams ranked well below 350 would do to Utah's SOS.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    @BYUCOLORADO "The softness of the (Utah) schedule, which is considered the weakest D1 schedule when you even include the PAC12"

    How do you figure that when Sagarin ranks Utah's schedule at 79 and BYU's at 91.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    "Senior guard Jarred DuBois is confident that the team will come together if everyone looks in the mirror individually and figures out what led to wins earlier in the season."

    The softness of the schedule, which is considered the weakest D1 schedule when you even include the PAC12.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    @ duckhunter

    Have you noticed how often you get called out for your behavior? I highly doubt you are this contentious in your everyday life, yet you have no problem doing anonymously from a computer. Keep suggesting we are "low class" for bringing it up, but you should look internally and find out why it is that you check your religion at the door when it comes to talking sports on the internet.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    @ubusty

    You're right about the national championship being the "epitome of major college football". I thought the term "national championship" was fairly self explanatory but thanks for expounding on it.

    Too bad byu's has a big asterisk next to it. After all how many other national championships have been decided in the holiday bowl against a 6 and 5 team? What byu's crystal football did led to the lousy BCS system that we have today. Nobody wants a team that doesn't play good teams but happens to go undefeated to end up with a national championship again.

    Hold on tight to that trophy because that is something byu will never do again! LOL! If you want to talk about how good byu's football program is, you should try commenting on a byu article. You will probably get the positive response you are looking for.

    As for Utah, they have actually done that twice! Against better teams in both bowl games as well.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    kewpie

    "if you are happy with 10 win seasons by beating bottom tier WAC teams, then knock yourselves out..."

    FIFTEEN of BYU's SIXTEEN 10+ win seasons came during their WAC/MWC era, the exact same era in which Utah compiled their SIX 10+ win seasons.

    "Finishing #25 in one of the final polls isn't much to brag about..."

    Take away Utah's one-poll Top 25 finishes, and Utah has only been ranked in the Top 25 FIVE times during their entire history, including only TWO Top 25 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    Take away BYU's one-poll Top 25 finishes, and BYU has still been ranked in the Top 25 SEVENTEEN times, including FOUR Top 25 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    Try as you might to minimize BYU's accomplishments, you simply make yourself look silly, because Utah's similar accomplishment pale by comparison.

    1984 was a long time ago, but the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is just as shiny and bright as the day it was placed in BYU's trophy case and still represents the epitome of major college football achievement, something U will never experience.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    @wookie

    I love how you find the truth to be "contentious" LOL! I love how you feel me simply responding to some "contentious" comments by a utah "fan" is me bringing "contention". I love how you are so willing to expose yourself as a typical utah "fan" hypocrite by ignoring the "contentious" comments by utah "fans" while whining about my comments that are simply in response to them. I love how you try to make this about religion and truly show how low class the "fans" on the hill are.

    Thank you for exposing yourself yet again.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    @ducky and cougfan

    I'm really sorry if the term "owning" is so hard for you to take. I promise to never use that term on a byu article. You may want to take note that I don't comment on byu articles however.

    It's hilarious that your defense is that the game came down to the last play. It still counts as a win if I'm not mistaken.

    Also, if you are happy with 10 win seasons by beating bottom tier WAC teams, then knock yourselves out. Finishing #25 in one of the final polls isn't much to brag about either. I'm happy for you that you believe byu has out performed the Utes. That tells me that your expectations are just that much lower. LOL.

    I noticed that you didn't mention how many players have gone into the NFL under the two coaches. Is there a reason for that?

    1984 was a very long time ago. Thanks for the entertainment tonight.

    Go Utes!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 14, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter "BYU has vastly out performed utah in football overall under Bronco and kyle. How you can possibly think that less wins, less bowl games, less bowl wins, less final rankings, less conference championships, less all americans, less of just about anything is "better" is truly a lesson in utah "fan" delusion. LOL!

    Here's delusion... thinking that 8 of 11 is not domination. And how many time has BYU been absolutely blown off the field by the Utes in recent years (i.e. 54-10, 52-21, 48-24).

    How do you figure Kyle has fewer bowl wins by the way.... go check again. And since when do we only look at the Kyle / Bronco era. Since 03 Utah has more conference championships and has 2 BCS bowl wins to BYU's zero. So you can prove anything you want if you're very selective on the metrics you pick, but one thing is for sure.... Utah owns BYU

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    Sorry QP, but teams that "own" other teams EXPECT to win every game and don't rush the field THREE times during the same game because they're so over-joyed with excitement that they can hardly contain themselves.

    5 of the last 7 games in the series have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. It's laughable how Utah fans are forced to cling to their "owning" narrative because they've had NOTHING else to beat their chests about since 2008.

    -------

    re: Seniors

    Three of Utah's starters are Seniors, which would make Utah a Senior-dominated team in anybody's book.
    Utah's 15-man roster includes 4 Seniors, 3 Juniors, 3 Sophomores and 5 Freshmen

    Three of BYU's starters are Sophomores, which would make BYU an underclassman-dominated team.
    BYU's 16-man roster includes 4 Seniors, 2 Juniors, 5 Sophomores and 5 Freshmen. (Cusick is a non-scholarship walkon.)

    As usual, BYU reloads, while Utah rebuilds.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter:

    Yet again, you seek and spew contention. Quit trying to represent that you are a BYU fan, as your attitude and demeanor do not reflect it or the Faith it represents. No UTE fan wants your contentious statements on here so if that is what you bring, take it elsewhere. If you seek to bring civil dialogue and an intelligent conversation, then you are always welcome. As of yet, you haven't been able to do either.

    Go UTES!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    @qwesty

    You are delusional. Yes BYU has vastly out performed utah in football overall under Bronco and kyle. How you can possibly think that less wins, less bowl games, less bowl wins, less final rankings, less conference championships, less all americans, less of just about anything is "better" is truly a lesson in utah "fan" delusion. LOL!

    Oh by the way, the utah basketball team starts 3 SENIORS. Yes that is senior dominated. 60% of the starters from this years terrible utah basketball team are starters. Now if you want we can hypothesize that utah will get better next year based on the fact that those guys will be gone. You wanna go with that angle?

    LOL!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    @Qwest Perfected - "The Utes have won 3 straight and 8 out of the last ten. That qualifies as "owning".

    Three of the last four games were won on the final play of the game. That's not owning, that's a great football game, that Chris Hill unfortunately wants to end.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    @trueblue

    "BYU finishing with better records and higher rankings in two of the three years negates Utah's head-to-head wins"....

    Uh no it doesn't. That was a good try though. The Utes have won 3 straight and 8 out of the last ten. That qualifies as "owning". You also are wrong about byu out-performing Utah since both Bronco and Kyle took over as head coaches. Chalking up wins against some of the worst D1 programs in college football is hardly an accomplishment. It's really not even a close comparision on the national level.

    Also, I'm not sure where you are getting your information about Utah's basketball team being "senior-dominated", it's actually quite the opposite. Utah has a bunch of freshmen that are seeing quite a bit of playing time. You are right about Utah's defense improving this year though. That has kept them in a number of games this year.

    I also agree that the offense has been pretty poor so far. Utah needs more guys to make shots for sure.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 14, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    I just dont care about Ute bball... Wake me up when September comes.
    9:06 a.m. Jan. 11, 2013

    Chris B - Why the sudden interest in Ute basketball again? I thought U had given up on your team three days ago? Now U are back proclaiming the U can beat any team in the nation? How about you start with trying to beat fellow cellar dwellar USC on your home court before U try beating any team in the nation. Or U can stick with beating teams like Willamette and College of Idaho to make U feel better.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    QP

    "It must be hard to deal with the fact that Utah's "inept football program" has owned your team the last three years,..."

    Not really; winning two of three games on the final play of the game is hardly "owning" anybody, and BYU finishing with better records and higher rankings in two of the three years negates Utah's head-to-head wins.

    Overall, BYU has out-performed Utah during the Bronco-Kyle era. Kyle has 2008, and little else. Bronco has 2006, 2007, and 2009.

    "...with the exception of this game against USC, they have gotten a lot better this year..."

    I guess you've already forgotten about Sac St and CS Northridge.

    I'd say, the Utes have gotten marginally better this year. Tough, physical, more effective defense and a pathetic offense.

    Unfortunately, your "rebuilding" is being done with a Senior-dominated team, so the Utes will be starting over again next season with Loveridge and a new roster of starters.

    What's the over-under on the Utes finishing with more than 3 conference wins this season?

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    @phoenix

    It must be hard to deal with the fact that Utah's "inept football program" has owned your team the last three years, oh and 8 out of the last 10. Maybe that explains why your so bitter.

    As for this team, with the exception of this game against USC, they have gotten a lot better this year and have shown improvement. I like that all of the players are taking personal responsibility and each look to improve. None of them are making excuses.

    I hope they can regroup and continue to play good defense hopefully the shots will start to fall!

    Go Utes!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    chrissy

    "It takes time to turn programs around."

    True.

    Some just take longer than others.

    It took Utah 28 years to turn Utah's football program around (1964 to 1992).

    For your sake, let's hope it doesn't take quite that long to turn Utah's basketball program around. You've only been working on it since 2005, so you've still got plenty of time for the Runnin' Utes to avoid being as inept as Utah's football program.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    We need offense. The Defense has been pretty good, for the most part. Definitely good enough to win. Shots need to fall

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 13, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Keep a stiff upper lip, boys.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    I'm still pumped about the future. It takes time to turn programs around. Just look at byu football. They've been "reloading" for the past 3 years.

    Coach K is the real deal. The fact we took a top 5 team in the nation on the road to the last second of the game proves we can beat any team in the nation if we have a good game.

    That wasn't true the past several years.

    Probably not this year or next, but I'm guessing in 2015 we'll be back to the dance, where we belong.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 13, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    "Senior guard Jarred DuBois is confident that the team will come together if everyone looks in the mirror individually and figures out what led to wins earlier in the season."

    That's actually a good question, what did lead to the wins earlier this season? Obviously they were in part because of utah's aweful schedule, the opponents were terrible. But usc is probably as bad as most of those teams and utah managed to beat some of them, although to be fair they lost to some really bad teams as well, like sac st. It is a conundrum to say the least. A fun one to witness as well.