@ DuckhunterYou don't counter anything, you just troll.
Example: "You mean that tremendous, Earth shattering, bracket busting,
season saving, widely lauded, upset of the powerhouse utah team couldn't
even save this guys job? Unbelievable." It's weird that a grown man
would stoop so low just for attention. To each his own though.
FAX, so you're claiming #281 Northern Arizona as a boon to the schedule
strength? It was a post-Christmas game scheduled as a sure win to prep for the
upcoming conference schedule, same thing that College of Idaho was scheduled as.
I'm not getting into the mindless trash talk, just pointing out a
discrepancy in logic.
@2ferWhere did I ever say "I'll behave when other people
behave"? I never made any such statement, 1st of all I don't
mis"behave" to begin with. What I said was in direct response to your
assertion about people "calling me out". My point is that utah
"fans" "calling me out" is of no consequence to me, if anything
it is funny and hypocritical because they never "call out" the utah
"fans" who I simply counter. If any of you ever "call out" any
of them, and it has never happened, not one time, then I would give some
credence to you "calling me out". That is what I said and I mean it.But none of you will ever do that, you just told us you wouldn't in
your last post. The only ones you'll ever "call out" are the BYU
fans and that is because you don't like to read comments about utah that
are anything less than effusive praise. Once again hypocrisy on display.
@ DuckhunterJust because I have a different opinion than you does
not make me "low class". Also, unlike you, I don't shamelessly
troll every one of BYU's articles. I enjoy talking sports and I provide my
opinion and if I disagree with something previously said, I say as much and give
rationale. However, it's not my job to patrol the internet and police
other posters just because I happen to cheer for the same team. Lastly, the
"I won't behave until other people behave" is a weak excuse. You
can't control other people, but you can control your behavior...
StGtoSLC"Probably close to the same impact that having Eastern
New Mexico would have on BYU's, and not much different from having Northern
Arizona already on it."I'll give you Eastern New Mexico and
Willamette are probably a wash, but you're seriously going to try arguing
that D-1 Northern Arizona (a team that beat Sac St, U know the same Sac St team
that BEAT U at home) is about the same as NAIA College of Idaho (a team that
LOST to Northwest Nazarene). Get real!
@2ferThe irony of being "called out" by utah "fans"
is delicious to me. It is constant evidence of your hypocrisy.Next
time you call yourself out for your low class behavior on BYU articles, or you
call out chris b, naval vet, uteology, howard s, or any of the MANY low class
utah "fans" for their behavior then I will take your words as
constructive. You won't ever do that so they will simply be forever
enshrined as the hypocrisy that they are.
@QP"Hold on tight to that trophy because that is something BYU
will never do again! LOL!"It's something that Utah will
never do, period!
kewpie"You're right about the national championship being
the "epitome of major college football." Too bad BYU's has a big
asterisk next to it."Only in the jealous minds of the kids on
the hill.As listed on the Official NCAA WebsiteNCAA FBS
Championship HistoryYear | Champion | Selecting Organization 1985
Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI 1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/CNN, UPI 1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI Notice that there's absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the listings for
Oklahoma, BYU and MiamiAll three schools were CONCENSUS National
Champions - selected by a majority of the voters of all five major national
selecting organizations.BYU's 1984 national championship was
just as legitimate as any other national championship.Show me the
criteria that says a team must play in a certain bowl or play "x" number
of ranked teams in order to be the national champion.BYU won 24
straight games in 1983 and 1984, including road wins against two Top 15 teams
(UCLA and Air Force), and finished in the Top 7 in back-to-back years.Call us the first time Utah wins 24 straight games.
@ BYUCOLORADOUtah's SOS in basketball is 79. BYU's is
The USC coach got fired after kicking u butt. What does that say for krosto?
redfeather, "Just imagine what including a couple of teams ranked well below
350 would do to Utah's SOS."Probably close to the same
impact that having Eastern New Mexico would have on BYU's, and not much
different from having Northern Arizona already on it.
U 90"How do you figure that when Sagarin ranks Utah's
schedule at 79 and BYU's at 91."If you looked closer,
you'd notice that Sagarin's record for Utah is 6-8. That's
because Sagarin doesn't even include Willamette (Div II) and College of
Idaho (NAIA) in Utah's win total. Just imagine what including a couple of
teams ranked well below 350 would do to Utah's SOS.
@BYUCOLORADO "The softness of the (Utah) schedule, which is considered the
weakest D1 schedule when you even include the PAC12"How do you
figure that when Sagarin ranks Utah's schedule at 79 and BYU's at 91.
"Senior guard Jarred DuBois is confident that the team will come together if
everyone looks in the mirror individually and figures out what led to wins
earlier in the season."The softness of the schedule, which is
considered the weakest D1 schedule when you even include the PAC12.
@ duckhunterHave you noticed how often you get called out for your
behavior? I highly doubt you are this contentious in your everyday life, yet
you have no problem doing anonymously from a computer. Keep suggesting we are
"low class" for bringing it up, but you should look internally and find
out why it is that you check your religion at the door when it comes to talking
sports on the internet.
@ubustyYou're right about the national championship being the
"epitome of major college football". I thought the term "national
championship" was fairly self explanatory but thanks for expounding on
it.Too bad byu's has a big asterisk next to it. After all how
many other national championships have been decided in the holiday bowl against
a 6 and 5 team? What byu's crystal football did led to the lousy BCS
system that we have today. Nobody wants a team that doesn't play good
teams but happens to go undefeated to end up with a national championship
again.Hold on tight to that trophy because that is something byu
will never do again! LOL! If you want to talk about how good byu's
football program is, you should try commenting on a byu article. You will
probably get the positive response you are looking for.As for Utah,
they have actually done that twice! Against better teams in both bowl games as
kewpie"if you are happy with 10 win seasons by beating bottom
tier WAC teams, then knock yourselves out..."FIFTEEN of
BYU's SIXTEEN 10+ win seasons came during their WAC/MWC era, the exact same
era in which Utah compiled their SIX 10+ win seasons."Finishing
#25 in one of the final polls isn't much to brag about..."Take away Utah's one-poll Top 25 finishes, and Utah has only been ranked
in the Top 25 FIVE times during their entire history, including only TWO Top 25
finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.Take away BYU's one-poll
Top 25 finishes, and BYU has still been ranked in the Top 25 SEVENTEEN times,
including FOUR Top 25 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.Try as you
might to minimize BYU's accomplishments, you simply make yourself look
silly, because Utah's similar accomplishment pale by comparison.1984 was a long time ago, but the Crystal Football National Championship
Trophy is just as shiny and bright as the day it was placed in BYU's trophy
case and still represents the epitome of major college football achievement,
something U will never experience.
@wookieI love how you find the truth to be "contentious"
LOL! I love how you feel me simply responding to some "contentious"
comments by a utah "fan" is me bringing "contention". I love how
you are so willing to expose yourself as a typical utah "fan" hypocrite
by ignoring the "contentious" comments by utah "fans" while
whining about my comments that are simply in response to them. I love how you
try to make this about religion and truly show how low class the "fans"
on the hill are.Thank you for exposing yourself yet again.
@ducky and cougfanI'm really sorry if the term "owning"
is so hard for you to take. I promise to never use that term on a byu article.
You may want to take note that I don't comment on byu articles however.It's hilarious that your defense is that the game came down to the
last play. It still counts as a win if I'm not mistaken.Also,
if you are happy with 10 win seasons by beating bottom tier WAC teams, then
knock yourselves out. Finishing #25 in one of the final polls isn't much
to brag about either. I'm happy for you that you believe byu has out
performed the Utes. That tells me that your expectations are just that much
lower. LOL. I noticed that you didn't mention how many
players have gone into the NFL under the two coaches. Is there a reason for
that?1984 was a very long time ago. Thanks for the entertainment
@ Duckhunter "BYU has vastly out performed utah in football overall under
Bronco and kyle. How you can possibly think that less wins, less bowl games,
less bowl wins, less final rankings, less conference championships, less all
americans, less of just about anything is "better" is truly a lesson in
utah "fan" delusion. LOL!Here's delusion... thinking
that 8 of 11 is not domination. And how many time has BYU been absolutely blown
off the field by the Utes in recent years (i.e. 54-10, 52-21, 48-24). How do you figure Kyle has fewer bowl wins by the way.... go check again. And
since when do we only look at the Kyle / Bronco era. Since 03 Utah has more
conference championships and has 2 BCS bowl wins to BYU's zero. So you can
prove anything you want if you're very selective on the metrics you pick,
but one thing is for sure.... Utah owns BYU
Sorry QP, but teams that "own" other teams EXPECT to win every game and
don't rush the field THREE times during the same game because they're
so over-joyed with excitement that they can hardly contain themselves.5 of the last 7 games in the series have been decided by a touchdown or less
in the closing minutes or in overtime. It's laughable how Utah fans are
forced to cling to their "owning" narrative because they've had
NOTHING else to beat their chests about since 2008.-------re: SeniorsThree of Utah's starters are Seniors, which would
make Utah a Senior-dominated team in anybody's book.Utah's
15-man roster includes 4 Seniors, 3 Juniors, 3 Sophomores and 5 FreshmenThree of BYU's starters are Sophomores, which would make BYU an
underclassman-dominated team.BYU's 16-man roster includes 4 Seniors,
2 Juniors, 5 Sophomores and 5 Freshmen. (Cusick is a non-scholarship walkon.)As usual, BYU reloads, while Utah rebuilds.
@ Duckhunter:Yet again, you seek and spew contention. Quit trying
to represent that you are a BYU fan, as your attitude and demeanor do not
reflect it or the Faith it represents. No UTE fan wants your contentious
statements on here so if that is what you bring, take it elsewhere. If you seek
to bring civil dialogue and an intelligent conversation, then you are always
welcome. As of yet, you haven't been able to do either.Go
@qwestyYou are delusional. Yes BYU has vastly out performed utah in
football overall under Bronco and kyle. How you can possibly think that less
wins, less bowl games, less bowl wins, less final rankings, less conference
championships, less all americans, less of just about anything is
"better" is truly a lesson in utah "fan" delusion. LOL!Oh by the way, the utah basketball team starts 3 SENIORS. Yes that is senior
dominated. 60% of the starters from this years terrible utah basketball team are
starters. Now if you want we can hypothesize that utah will get better next year
based on the fact that those guys will be gone. You wanna go with that angle?LOL!
@Qwest Perfected - "The Utes have won 3 straight and 8 out of the last ten.
That qualifies as "owning".Three of the last four games were
won on the final play of the game. That's not owning, that's a great
football game, that Chris Hill unfortunately wants to end.
@trueblue"BYU finishing with better records and higher rankings
in two of the three years negates Utah's head-to-head wins"....Uh no it doesn't. That was a good try though. The Utes have won 3
straight and 8 out of the last ten. That qualifies as "owning". You
also are wrong about byu out-performing Utah since both Bronco and Kyle took
over as head coaches. Chalking up wins against some of the worst D1 programs in
college football is hardly an accomplishment. It's really not even a close
comparision on the national level.Also, I'm not sure where you
are getting your information about Utah's basketball team being
"senior-dominated", it's actually quite the opposite. Utah has a
bunch of freshmen that are seeing quite a bit of playing time. You are right
about Utah's defense improving this year though. That has kept them in a
number of games this year.I also agree that the offense has been
pretty poor so far. Utah needs more guys to make shots for sure.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTI just dont care about Ute bball... Wake me
up when September comes.9:06 a.m. Jan. 11, 2013Chris B - Why
the sudden interest in Ute basketball again? I thought U had given up on your
team three days ago? Now U are back proclaiming the U can beat any team in the
nation? How about you start with trying to beat fellow cellar dwellar USC on
your home court before U try beating any team in the nation. Or U can stick
with beating teams like Willamette and College of Idaho to make U feel better.
QP"It must be hard to deal with the fact that Utah's
"inept football program" has owned your team the last three
years,..."Not really; winning two of three games on the final
play of the game is hardly "owning" anybody, and BYU finishing with
better records and higher rankings in two of the three years negates Utah's
head-to-head wins.Overall, BYU has out-performed Utah during the
Bronco-Kyle era. Kyle has 2008, and little else. Bronco has 2006, 2007, and
2009."...with the exception of this game against USC, they have
gotten a lot better this year..."I guess you've already
forgotten about Sac St and CS Northridge.I'd say, the Utes have
gotten marginally better this year. Tough, physical, more effective defense and
a pathetic offense.Unfortunately, your "rebuilding" is being
done with a Senior-dominated team, so the Utes will be starting over again next
season with Loveridge and a new roster of starters.What's the
over-under on the Utes finishing with more than 3 conference wins this season?
@phoenixIt must be hard to deal with the fact that Utah's
"inept football program" has owned your team the last three years, oh
and 8 out of the last 10. Maybe that explains why your so bitter.As
for this team, with the exception of this game against USC, they have gotten a
lot better this year and have shown improvement. I like that all of the players
are taking personal responsibility and each look to improve. None of them are
making excuses.I hope they can regroup and continue to play good
defense hopefully the shots will start to fall!Go Utes!
chrissy"It takes time to turn programs around."True.Some just take longer than others.It took Utah 28
years to turn Utah's football program around (1964 to 1992).For
your sake, let's hope it doesn't take quite that long to turn
Utah's basketball program around. You've only been working on it since
2005, so you've still got plenty of time for the Runnin' Utes to avoid
being as inept as Utah's football program.
We need offense. The Defense has been pretty good, for the most part.
Definitely good enough to win. Shots need to fall
Keep a stiff upper lip, boys.
I'm still pumped about the future. It takes time to turn programs around.
Just look at byu football. They've been "reloading" for the past 3
years. Coach K is the real deal. The fact we took a top 5 team in
the nation on the road to the last second of the game proves we can beat any
team in the nation if we have a good game.That wasn't true the
past several years.Probably not this year or next, but I'm
guessing in 2015 we'll be back to the dance, where we belong.
"Senior guard Jarred DuBois is confident that the team will come together if
everyone looks in the mirror individually and figures out what led to wins
earlier in the season."That's actually a good question,
what did lead to the wins earlier this season? Obviously they were in part
because of utah's aweful schedule, the opponents were terrible. But usc is
probably as bad as most of those teams and utah managed to beat some of them,
although to be fair they lost to some really bad teams as well, like sac st. It
is a conundrum to say the least. A fun one to witness as well.