@Laie Girl - You sure Obama is a supporter of the constitution? I guess
I'll take your word for it that we have such a great constitutional scholar
who supports our second amendment rights.
@dumprakeWay to send a signal that you think democrats don't belong
in your church. Your strategy would also make a large percentage of the nation
shift from neutral or positive to negative views of the church if they did what
@ LVALfreYou wrote:"Actually we are not in agreement. I
don't think truth, doctrine, prophecies, etc. change to fit society if they
are divinely inspired. Work of man in my opinion"O.K.!!So nothing is inspired in your opinion, nor the Bible, The Book of Mormon, The
D&C, the Constitution, the ordinances of the Temple. I disagree
with that position but you are entitled to your opinion.
To "Laie Girl" please remove the rose colored glasses that you use to
view Obama.Depending on how you view him, is is anywhere from a
Socialist to a Marxist. He admitted in his book that he hung out with the
Marxists and would talk politics with them. Many of his early childhood mentors
were anywhere from Socialists to Communists.He does not uphold the
constitution, even if he is a "scholar". He has signed laws that are in
direct violation of the constitution, and uses executive order in place of
passing legislation through congress. He doesn't work with congress, as
the fiscal cliff negociations show.Please remove you blinders and
take a good look at Obama.
What I learned from facebook on the night of the election is that God is a
republican and he's an American. Another 4 years of a dem in the White
House was sure to bring 2nd coming.
@Baccus0902"@ LValfreyou wrote: "Like doctrine,
prophecies, and such? I agree. Things need to evolve to survive".We are 100% in agreement, stagnation in anything is not healthy."Actually we are not in agreement. I don't think truth, doctrine,
prophecies, etc. change to fit society if they are divinely inspired. Work of
man in my opinion.
@skeptic: That is like saying that if the Book of Mormon is true, then why do we
need General Conference and continued revelation from God? The constitution was
divinely inspired, but as our country grew larger and the times changed, we
needed those added amendments. If you've ever read or studied the
constitution, you would see how beneficial many of them are to our changing
world. The church too has several things that it has added to with the changing
of the times, such as the for strength of youth. If you read one from the year
it first came out to the newest edition you will see many changes. That
doesn't mean the For Strength of youth is not divinely inspired, it shows
further proof that it is!
Laie Girl, somewhere in the news there will be a statement about the price tag
about what was spent on this inaugural affair which won't take into account
the dollars spent flying/other transportation there, hotels, tailoring, lost
work time... lots of things. Even assuming these are All private funds and
that we should be ecstatic about the DC community getting an influx of tourism
cash, would not this money be better spent on things so obvious as Sandy relief?
Even in good times this whole affair as well as much of the pompous stuff that
goes on in our nation's capitol seems excessive and wasteful... of course
it seemed the same way New Year's Eve in times Square -- a city in need of
relief is buying confetti to make more mess to clean up. Morale is an excuse?
A weak one. Rome is burning and we keep on partying. And yes, I know we keep
re-issuing oaths of office; my point was we don't "need" to in a
legal or common sense.
If the Constitution was divinely inspired then why are there so many amendments
to it. Is it that god can not get it right one time the first time. Also, it
would be better protocol for President Monson too also attend the inauguration.
@ LValfreyou wrote: "Like doctrine, prophecies, and such? I agree.
Things need to evolve to survive".We are 100% in agreement,
stagnation in anything is not healthy.
Brent T: Even if this were his third election, President Obama would need to
take the oath again. He was elected for four years, not eight. All elected
officials re-take the oath of office when they are re-elected, even the county
sheriff. As to the celebratory aspects, of course it's time for
another party. It isn't like our tax dollars pay for the whole thing. Many
of the party funds come from private donors such as you and I. Second inaugurals
have been the norm since George Washington, even during wartime, the Great
Depression, and threat of nuclear annihilation. This isn't the
first time the country has had financial issues, and it won't be the last.
Balanced budgets and excess funds are a rarity.
Baccus0902"However, I am of the opinion that we need to realize
that the Founding Fathers are dead and lived in a different age and society.The
constitution in order to be effective has to be a living document in order to
have the ability to change according to the needs of society."Like doctrine, prophecies, and such? I agree. Things need to evolve to
Why are we wasting time AND $$$ to hold an inauguration for an incumbent POTUS?
I've read and listened to the oath of office and nowhere in it does it say
anything about a time limit -- works for 4 years or 8 years... so he
doesn't need to take the oath again, we don't need another parade, or
another ball and any of the other hubris. This country has financial problems
and this is no time for a party.
@ EddieYou wrote: "Tell us Baccus0902, do you acknowledge that the
constitution is inspired? Or are you one of those leftist's who think that
we need to do away with it and write a new one. In today's world, who would
you like to write it?"No, I don't think the US COnstitution
or the Magna Carta or any other political document was inspired by God.Yes, I'm a leftist and as such I can tell you that President Obama is a
Centrist tilted to the right.Nobody is saying that the Constitution has to
be re-written. However, I am of the opinion that we need to realize that the
Founding Fathers are dead and lived in a different age and society.The
constitution in order to be effective has to be a living document in order to
have the ability to change according to the needs of society.Congress is the institution in charge of changing or ammending the consitution
if necessary. That means that you should elect your representative wisely.
"He will go against the majority..."Seeing as he was just
reelected by nearly five million votes, I'm not quite sure I'm
following you.Romney lost, guys. Time to get over it.
If there has ever been an adminstation in need of our Heavenly Father's
guidance and blessing in administering the affairs of our nation, this is it.I pray that God will bless President Obama and his administration, our
Congress, and other elected and appointed national and local leaders; to know
and do that which is right and best for this nation and for their health and
protection to do it.Praying for one's president in no way implies
that one agrees with or supports his agenda, but moreso, perhaps, expresses the
hope that he gets it right.
"The church should boycott this little Marxist dictator ..." I am a
Marxist, and I can tell you Obama is no Marxist - not even close. These
discussions would be helped if the paricipants knew something about Marx - most
Not only does this president think that his will should be law, he despises
anyone who disagrees with him. He will go against the majority and is clearly
out for his own agenda and does not care about the spirit of the constitution.
As far as judging, that is totally subjective! But when you look at The
Federalist Papers, you will find that this pres is so far off that the founding
fathers must be rolling over in their graves. Tell us Baccus0902, do
you acknowledge that the constitution is inspired? Or are you one of those
leftist's who think that we need to do away with it and write a new one. In
today's world, who would you like to write it?
In all of the Cold War there did not seem to be as much misinformation and
disinformation as there is about President Obama. I blame the 24-hour broadcast
news channels, big money interests, blogs, the Internet, fraudulent e-mails,
scam artists... Wait a minute. Who I really blame is a public that does not want
to be informed and does no research to find out what is accurate. What is it really about President Obama that folks hate? He isn't a
Marxist, he's not a dictator, he works with Congress, his own party gets
upset with him. He not only upholds the Constitution; he's a scholar of it.
He works hard, has done as right by the Nation as any president I've seen
(and I've seen a lot), and he's maintaining our security. What is with
all the bad-mouthing? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints has it right. Pray for President Obama. And while you're at it toss
in our other leaders, including your local ones.
@ Eddie;Thomas Jeffersom must have been "inspired" to write about
you and others like you:"By 1816 Jefferson wrote that "[s]ome men
look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence and deem them like the ark of
the covenant, too sacred to be touched." But he saw imperfections and
imagined that potentially, there could be others, believing as he did that
"institutions must advance also".: (Wikipedia on "The American
Consitution".You may like to clarify what parts of the original
draft and which if not all ammendments were inspired as well. Because start
getting confusing when political documents and their ammenments are considered
inspired. Would that mean that the political leaders who wrote them were also
prophets and seers. If so, why do we need spiritual leaders?I must
be totally crazy because when I pray for the President of the U.S. and the
leaders of all nations (regardless of political affiliation) I ask God to be
grant wisdom, health, objectivity and so on. I never thought that I was named
judge and decide that somebody had to repent because he/she has a different
political ideology than mine.
LDS LiberalWho says we don't? We don't have to like what
he has been doing to pray for him.
@LDS LiberalI cannot stand this President, however I do pray for him
as I do for our enemies, that they repent and turn to the Holy Ghost for
guidance. I know that our loving Father in Heaven will be with him as he seeks
to do the right things. But anyone who goes against the heavenly inspired
Constitution of the United States will not be too inspired to lead a nation. We
should all pray for not only the President, but for the Congress and the
Judicial Branch as well. It is all three working together that should lead the
nation, not just a President who thinks he can by-pass the Congress to have his
will enforced upon everyone.
@dumprake -- Yes, the General Authorities will get right on that since you told
them to do it. Glad you are the inspired one to tell them how they should run
The church should boycott this little Marxist dictator who is hostile to
religion, religious freedom, the U.S. Constitution, and most everything else
that is good and right in this country.And the church should publish why it is
boycotting his inauguration.
"We send our best wishes to President Obama and pray for the blessings of a
loving Father in Heaven to be upon him and his administration." ~
Pres. Thomas S. Monson, President, Prophet Seer and Revelator of the Chruch of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.Why can't so many Mormons who
SAY they support our Prophet, follow him and his example?