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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 22 2013 11:25 a.m. MST

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Cougarista
Salt Lake City, UT

Mendenhall was asked in a cable interview how he could win with the Honor Code. His reply was that he won because of the Honor Code. Game, set, match.

BrettJones
Houston, TX

Please, please, please sign a kicker!

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Before anyone goes off on an irrelevant tangent, remember that these recruits are teenage men who have never played a down of college football in their lives. Any attempts to judge their future collegiate ability through a 5 star rating system is interesting at best and severly flawed at the least.

In other words, everyone should settle down until the young men actually play in a few collegiate games.

dave_walker124@yahoo.com
Springville, UT

@Chris B

I think the names you're looking for are Dennis Pitta...and Austin Collie...and Vic So'oto...and Bryan Kehl...

Todd Christiansen's Thesaurus
Ogden, UT

Looking forward to next season, hope its a great one. Personally, I get more excited about "diamonds in the rough" than a four or five start recruit; I've seen at least two examples of high profile recruits (*****) at BYU amount to little. Ofa Moheatu/Jake Heaps. I'm sure they're many more examples.

Independence is working out fine, BYU is still getting fine recruits and I look forward to seeing many of them on the field in 3-4 more years.

Mr. B, for kicks, why don't you give us the number of 5, 4 and 3-star recruits joing the utes next year, thay way we know where to set expectations for their season.

Finally, why are you never the "first poster" on ute articles? Surely, you're not that obssessed with the Cougars!

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Currently the Y's recruiting class is rated 55th. That is with their two highest rated recruits included yet both appear questionable - at best. Even with their inclusion there are 31 teams whose class is rated higher in star rating but lowere because of the number of recruits. No telling how low the current class with be evaluated.... but I know this means nothing to the coach or fans(?)!

DonO
Draper, UT

I wish the young men in the 2013 signing class well. But IMO there will be a lot of wound-licking in Provo by the end of the 2013 football season. And it will be surprising if BYU is not looking for a new head coach.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Lets see, Apo was a star, Hoffman came in under the radar. Who do you want runnin your routes and catchin your passes?

Just sayin...

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

Hey B,

Doormat.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

DonO
Draper, UT
I wish the young men in the 2013 signing class well. But IMO there will be a lot of wound-licking in Provo by the end of the 2013 football season.
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Perhaps the Utes could give them lessons. They've had the entire bowl(less) season to practice...

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

An article like this is very incomplete without also covering which of these recruits will be going on missions first, and naming the recruits that will be returning from missions.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

What? A kicker is not on the list? If we don't have a guy who can put it through the uprights on occasion in the 2013 Class, I would consider it a failure.

Osgrath
Provo, UT

I really understand Bronco's apathy toward the star system. Someone earlier mentioned 5-stars that didn't pan out with Ofa Mohetau and Jake Heaps. Let throw Ben Olson in as well. Then we have people with zero stars that walked on like Dennis Pitta and Ziggy Ansah. Cody Hoffman was recruited but only by BYU and Sacramento State.

I read an article last week (CBSSports.com, maybe) that analyzed the 5-stars from 2008 as to how they panned out. A couple have already made a mark in the NFL, some are expected to be major players this year because they redshirted once, and about half of them got grades ranging from C to F for their performance so far. Since success in football depends on a good mixture of intelligence, heart, and physical skill or athleticism, it is very difficult to predict how a recruit will do. Chad Lewis walked on at BYU, went as an undrafted free agent to the NFL and became all-pro. Matt Leihnert won the Heisman and barely stays in the league.

Let's just wait to see how it all shakes out.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

One of the things I like about this recruiting class are the WRs. They aren't very ranked very high in terms of "star power" but they are more athletic than many of the typical past BYU receivers. Talon Shumway, Tanner Shipley, and Michael Davis all run 4.5s. I also like Inoke Lotulelei, a smaller guy who could play slot receiver. Coach Cahoon has the chance to coach these guys up into very productive targets.

The star ranking system is really very interesting. We've seen examples of guys with lots of stars (Jake Heaps) who don't pan out, but also guys with lots of stars (Kyle Van Noy) who live up to the hype.

The biggest difference I see between the scholarship/star players and walk-ons is:

Star players we've heard of, and coaches of D-1 program saw their talents and saw fit to offer them scholarships.

Walk-ons are hit or miss because we don't know about them.

One walk-on I'm excited to see in the coming years is Bryan Engstrom from Alta, a running back from Alta who alledgedly runs a 4.4 and looks good on film. We'll just see.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Everyone will be totally awesome I just know it.

manutd
San Diego, CA

hoffman **>>apo ***>>heaps *****

other than VN number of stars havent really panned out at byu.

just keep the polynesian pipeline going.

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

Just curious...are Van Noy, Hoffman, and Apo part Polynesians? Not that it matters but I still would like to know. They are all great kids and love watching them play.

@ Ernest T. Bass,
I long for the day you'll post a sincere comment about BYU. When will you realize you ain't fooling no one? Pity!

It would be great if BYU can attract the top athletes of the nation but as Chris B always says, it's never going to happen and we know that. We'll just have to make do with the talent we get and hope to continue to compete on a high level.

Go Cougars!

worf
Mcallen, TX

Hmm? Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and some others constantly get top ten recruiting.

BYU beats Oklahoma, and loses by a point to Texas, while Utah beats Alabama. Boise State, and TCU wins without a top ten recruiting class.

These star ratings are not accurate. Hmm? Wasn't Dennis Pitta a walk on?

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Overall, and generally speaking, the star system is a pretty good indicator of a team's talent. There are plenty of individual exceptions. However, we all know the coaching staff is a big indicator of team success also. But, generally speaking, a team must improve its recruiting to compete, and when a team improves its recruiting, the star ranking of its players improves.

Let's face it: BYU and Utah must improve their recruiting (which means the star rankings of their recruits will rise) or there will be more seasons ahead like 2012.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

The basic problems with the star system:

- it doesn't account for players playing against different levels of competition in high school
- it doesn't account for late bloomers or players that have already peaked
- it doesn't account for the symbiotic relationship of a team that is greater than the sum of its parts
- it doesn't account for playing in different systems that may highlight a player's strengths, while hiding a player's weaknesses
- it doesn't account for better or weaker coaching at the high school or college level

and most importantly

- it doesn't account for an individual player's drive to maximize his potential

In other words, there are so many variables and intangibles to consider, that it's impossible to predict an individual player's college football success based solely on the number of stars placed next to his name by some recruiting service.

btw, USC, in a down recruiting year, has FIFTEEN 4-star recruits; Utah and BYU have ONE 4-star recruit each.

Based on stars alone, Utah and BYU would NEVER have a chance of beating a team like USC.

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