Hatch is correct that political extremism poses a huge threat to the Republican
Party. If this extremism is not cut out like the cancer it is, the body will
die.The vast majority are moderates at heart. They are clearly wise
to be wary of the left wing extremism that is destroying this Country. However,
the solution to ending left wing domination is not to be found in using
extremism to combat extremism.The Founding Fathers fought the
Revolutionary War in order to forever banish extremism from this Continent. Do
not dishonor their memory and their sacrifice by willingly allowing extremism to
A "radical" is someone who actually believes in the principles of the
party platform and seeks to implement them into public policy. I can see why
Hatch would take issue with such individuals.
So now fiscal conservatives are "radicals" and not part of the main
stream Republican party? No wonder why our nation is headed off a fiscal cliff.
If not today, then sometime in the near future if people don't listen to
these "radicals" and start to reduce the burden of public debt this
No one sees himself or herself as an extremist.
As a moderate Democrat, it's nice to have the old Hatch back. I missed
him. I hope he will be more open to the next U.S. Supreme Court nominee like he
was before the last two appointments.
It is interesting that the definition of a radical in Senator Hatch's mind
is never articulated in the article. I do know that for me as someone who has
recently returned to Utah after having lived elsewhere, the dogmatic nature of
Utah Valley Republicans pushes me and many of my colleagues and friends towards
becoming Democrats.I also find interesting the unwritten message
here which is that Senator Hatch and his congressional colleagues will basically
bow to any pressure in order to get reelected. Once in office, they continue to
bow to such pressure unless it is their last term. I think that is a shame.
Where have you been, Orrin? And the thing is, you were a major enabler.
Hatch gets it. Thank you, fellow Republican.
In Washington DC lingo anyone who believes in balanced budgets is a radical.
Evidenced by the fact that almost every candidate in America, both Republican
and Democrat campaigns on balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility, then when
they get to DC to vote for debt and give-aways.The vast majority of
Americans want balanced budgets. Poll after poll shows that 60-80 percent worry
about the debt, etc. People like Hatch campaign on these issues, get elected, go
to DC and blow through my yet unborn grandkids savings accounts. The fiscal
cliff Hatch supported include Wall Street style handouts to wind farmers,
Hollywood executives, corporate farmers, etc, etc, etc and I am a radical?!Hatch needs to resign![Note: I know, he just won an
election. Campaigning on balanced budgets no less. Wins, goes to DC and votes
for more of the same though I've spoke twice now. Sheesh!]
May?or already is?
I am one of those extremists that Hatch warns about. I am extremely upset with
politicians who care more about their party and re-election than the good of
their country. I am extremely upset with politicians that tax us unnecessarily
and then spend 40% more than we take from the taxpayers, burdening our children
with debt that will relegate us to servants of the government instead of its
masters. I am extremely upset with a President that thinks it's okay to
issue executive orders with the force of law when he can't get his way by
strong-arming or persuading congress to pass the laws he wants, but even more
extremely upset with Senators and Representatives who won't stand up to him
and tell him "No! You can't do that." I wish that we would get
informed enough to be "extreme". If you don't think many of the
founding fathers were considered "extreme" in their time, you
haven't read the history. If you like the road we are on, keep voting for
people like Hatch who continues to vote to spend more, raise the debt limit and
allow the abuse of power in Washington.
Uncle Orrin joined the Tea Party to get re-elected, and now he's making it
perfectly clear that he was not sincere. Those of us who are "radical"
and "extreme" suspected this was the case, and tried to elect a
conservative instead of a RINO, but without success. Isn't it ironic that
Matheson is to the right of Hatch?
"A "radical" is someone who actually believes in the principles of
the party platform and seeks to implement them into public policy. "Perhaps.... or that could be someone who just isn't realistic about
the world... and somehow is under the delusion that there is some kind of pure
party platform that all must conform to. Even Chaney, one of the most dogged
conservatives made exceptions for his daughter who wasn't living the life
style prescribed by orthodox conservative dogma. Issues for an Ohio Republican
are different than for a Florida Republican or Idaho Republican.A
"radical" is someone who thinks only their interpretation is a possible
interpretation.... and that all others are... well... unsure and therefor RINOS.
Unfortunately the party is plum full of self described keepers of the faith
casting away those who don't follow party theology. It is an unsustainable
Call me a rino or whatever, I miss Bob Bennett. Hatch and Bennett got a lot more
done for Utah
The 'radicals' that are going to kill the GOP are those that are
called RINOS (Republican in name only) that probably should be Dems. They are
the ones that move some of the party away from the principles reflected in the
platform and toward more liberal principles.
Much akin to Sen. Bennett. On your way out bad mouth those who supported you.
Sen.Hatch much of what is wrong with the Country has matured on your watch. You
sir have been part of the problem. Maybe you were a little bit to close to Teddy
Kennedy you know your friend.
This is a surprisingly and disappointingly biased article by an established
Deseret News political writer. I recognize it's tough to remain objective,
but really: "Hatch, the only member of Utah’s congressional delegation
who voted to reverse the so-called “fiscal cliff,” said he
understands why his colleagues and others in the House and the Senate opposed
the deal that restored tax cuts for most Americans."So,
that's supposed to be an objective summary of what the rest of our entire
Utah Congressional delegation did? Each Congressman and Senator did nothing
more than "oppose" a "deal that restored tax cuts for most
Americans". Note that wasn't attributed to Senator Hatch. That was
allegedly a simple fact setting the context for his comments.I'd love to hear Senator Lee, Congressman Chaffetz, or any of the rest of
the delegation respond to such accusations. If the reporter wants to write an
"op-ed" then, of course, that's her right. But I don't
understand the disrespect and one-sided reporting when it's supposed to be
a "news" feature and the other participants are easily interviewable and
available for comment.
Nice try guys.No, Orrin is not talking about those that are simply
fiscally conservative. Orrin is talking about those who think that
a womans body can prevent pregnancy during a rape.Or that think that a
fetus should have personhood rights.He is talking about those who think
Obama is not a US citizen.And those who vote to spend money and then balk
about paying the bills.Or those who want to shut down the FDA, the
EPA and uh, cant remember the third.And maybe those that want any type and
number of weapons to hold off the government.Nope. People
don't equate fiscal conservatism with right wing radicalism. If only it
were that simple...Right JCS?
Watchman - do you really only see the world in two distinct colors? Mohokat - so you only have friends that are devout conservatives? Really?
That is kind of sad.Utah Voter - no, its Hatch's opinion, based
on his experience. The problem with that is what again.This is the
very problem society is going through. There is a group of Americans who feels
that their way is the only way, and that all others just aren't as sharp,
as educated, as hard working..... or as patriotic. From the very first days of
this nation, there never was political purity. Even the founding fathers
disagreed, sometime violently with each other. It has only been with the rise
of this NeoCon group that feels a purge of the unsure - as they define purity -
is necessary. It is a very slippery slope.... to a point where getting alone
just isn't possible. There is nothing in my faith that
justifies this kind of hatred of another person... nothing. The self
justification of such attitudes is mind bending at times.
Um...Jim Matheson voted against the fiscal cliff bill along with all our other
Congressmen and Senator- everyone except Hatch. Does that make Jim Matheson a
right-wing radical too?Man up Hatch. You're the only one from
Utah who caved. Quite trying to draw attention away from your actions by
calling other people names.
Hatch knows better than to blame "radicals" for our problems. He has
sufficient knowledge about his heritage to know about the mockers; those who
point fingers at the FEW who try to do the right thing for the right reason.
That is part of his history. He wants us to believe that he believes the
principles found in the book that tells of the mockers and the finger pointers,
but he joins them; he points his finger; he blames those that stand for the
principles upon which America is founded; he blames those that are sons and
daughters of those who left the United States to seek refuge from governments
that oppressed, that allowed their wives and daughters to be raped, that
allowed their homes and barns to be burned, that allowed their men to be
murdered. He tells us that Washington is the answer. In my view, Washington is
the seat of that large building and the house where those who mock and point
fingers teach others to mock and point fingers.How sad that one of
us has become one of them.
Wow. At long, long last, something sensible has come Orrin Hatch.I
got big kick out of reading what one of Utah's leading right wing radicals,
David Kirkham, had to say.About the only thing I'd have to
disagree with is that Utah's GOP is in danger of "becoming" full of
extremists. It already has been for a long time.
The problem with radicals isn't their stance, but the inability to form
consensus. Also Extreme positions on my positions, enable my opposition the
benefit of moderation and the appearance of sensibility, regardless of how wrong
it may be.A better, more reasoned approach would be to look for ways
to compromise and build consensus and make changes that over time steer the ship
in the right direction. Unfortunately the further we diverge from our ideals,
the more likely we are to endorse extremists who do nothing more than stonewall,
attack, criticise, make enemies where there were possible allies, and annoy
Utah is full of the most fiscally consersvative citizens. Just look at the
number of bankruptcies and foreclosures in Utah. Always leading the nation or
close to it. Look at all of the fancy cars and clothes of the people of Zion.
Then they file bankruptcy or foreclose on their house and do it all
again. Need to keep up with the brother and sister jones'
The "old Hatch" is back, indeed. (No pun intended!)The
blinders have slipped back in place, and his beltway views of the world have
prevailed, and his desire to get along with the left is back in place. Having voted us into bankruptcy in his years, decades (is it a century
yet?) of "service" in Washington he refuses to admit that what has been
done is wrong, and has doomed our children to lives of poverty and stifling
taxation to pay for what Hatch and his "good friends" have squandered
pandering for votes. He now calls those who espouse the values he
expressed when he first ran, and repeated ("with purpose of evasion or
mental reservation"?) during his latest campaign as somehow being
radical.Many Utahns saw Hatch for what he really was, and tried to
replace him with an actual conservative, but $12 million in advertising, plus
untold millions in free "franked" stuff posing as official information
fooled enough people to get him elected.We did the right thing with
Bob Bennett, but failed to remove Hatch. We must try harder and ensure that no
one ever ends up with lifetime, or hereditary, Congressional seats again.Sorry, kids.
The Deseret News often prints editorials calling for greater civlity in the
political process, so I must ask this question: Does giving Senator Hatch the
platform to label many of his fellow Utahns as radicals without ever asking him
what makes a radical promote that civility, or make it more difficult? Read the
comments. Do you see bridges of understanding being built? Do you see people
coming together on common ground? I don't. All I see is Senator Hatch
calling names, and the Deseret News more than willing to publish his mini-rant
against radicals without ever even asking him who exactly he is talking about.
Deseret News, if you want more civility, set the example. Don't print
pieces like this that do no more than call names.
Hatch is blind to the fact that it is his "radical" actions in
Washington that have helped put us in the fiscal crisis we are currently in.
Does Medicare part D ring a bell Hatch? It's completely unfunded and yet
he claims it a success because it takes a little less from our future
generations then previously thought. If that is not a radically insane way of
thinking I don't know what is.
Look to Utah government to see the true colors of the Republican Party:
Gerrymandering elections, failure to pass any ethics laws. Attempts to hamper
GRAMMA disclosure. Closed public meetings. Questionable campaign donations to
our republican governor. Legislators passing bills unchallenged; to which they
directly benefit financially. Could go on and on. It is never good for one
party to have this kind of power.
I agree with Hatch. As a Republican, I'm getting sick of hearing members of
my party preaching half-baked Libertarian ideas. It's not unusual to find
these people complaining constantly about spending while they support non-stop
foreign wars (Iraq cost between 1.5 and 3 trillion dollars). Many have children
who use WIC and Medicaid. And, let's not forget, about 1 out of every 3
dollars spent by the federal government goes to Social Security and Medicare.
Are we going to cut grandma off cold? What we are doing is not sustainable in
the long term. However, we need to start having adult conversations about the
problem. Demonizing every person and politician who doesn't want to
completely abolish the government is "extreme" and crazy.
Someone said Hatch needs to man-up.You know, it takes no courage,
not moral fibre, not strength of charector for just go along with what everyone
else is doing. In fact, the real evidence of manning up is to be willing to
break with what is popular, and to vote your beliefs.This bullying
into complaince bit the right has going on.... it shows very little character.
If someone votes with their block > 90% of the time, they are a complete
waste of time. They should proxy over their votes to who ever is the decider
for the group, and go home. The idea that you have to become a spinless rubber
stamp to play... shows how weak some groups have become to not be able to accept
Extremism is voting for impractical options. For example, voting against a debt
limit increase without plan to immediately balance the budget. Voting to close
the borders without a guest worker program. Claiming to be a fiscal
conservative, but opting to immediately deport illegal immigrants regardless of
cost. Arming teachers and expecting them to protect students with consideration
of collateral damage. Taking any extreme step without regard to consequence.
Those are the people who want to take over.There are good people who
adhere to conservative principles but know that their actions have consequence,
good and bad. These are the people we need in control of our party.
Too late, orrin!
Hatch is Hatch. He does not change color because of his last term in congress.
He is and has been part of the big spending probkem which has got us into all
this trouble. Democrats actually like him for the most part and he is no threat
to the Obama regime.When did he last speak up to save the country
from awful socialism. I am a retired Senior and I am one of many who think
spending is all out of control. I am also NOT RICH. I am worried about our
children, grtandchildren, and great grandchildren dealing the debt we are piling
HA. john Charity Spring has identified the radical right, and somehow he
isn't in it. Thats good.
A radical element is one who does not agree with you. Thomas Wright wants to
pass a bill making sexual orientation part of a protected group. Is that
radical for Republicans? Senator Hatch does not vote to cut spending. He is
the only one who votes FOR the fiscal debacle. His actions speak so loud we
can't hear what he says. Is he now a radical element? the Democratic Party
Chair, Dubakis is happy to have the "old Senator back." What is
radical? Anyone who does not agree with you is labeled, "Radical." Get
used to it. It will come in greater waves to anyone who does not agree with
whomever is being interviewed.
@Say NO to BOMy personal bent is toward *moderation in all things*. I
think one can be a staunch conservative republican without being a radical or
fanatic. One can be firm and srong without being an extremist. I wouldn't
feel too good about taking on the label, radical. Look it up in the dictionary.
Just my opinion. My impression is that radical politicians do not
seek for consensus as often as do most conservatives. But I say there is a
GREAT need for consensus . . . . WITHIN our own party! As conservatives and Tea
Partiers argue with each other, the Democrats chuckle with a certain delight,
knowing that we'll bury ourselves if we don't get this figured out.
Let's figure out what we all believe as republicans and how to achieve it,
and then take on the radicals, extremists, and fanatics on the other side of the
aisle who seem to be in charge these days.@Shaun McCAlthough I
would not want to be labeled an *extremist* myself, I appreciate your tone and
the points you make. They caused me to reflect a bit on my own stance.
It’s interesting to note how many politicians (Democrats and Republicans)
that were willing to throw the majority of Americans under the bus during the
fiscal crises debate. Did they think it would be a good thing for the people by
instantly trashing the economy? Most would say no. But their ideologies were
more important than the welfare of the American people.One party
extremist group had a plan that would reduce the deficit spending by 200 billion
dollars a year the other party extremist group had a plan that would reduce the
deficit by 180 billion a year. Both plans fell short by 80%. Yet they were
willing to throw you and me under the bus to defend their plan which fixed
nothing.Thank heavens for cooler heads in the Senate that prevailed
over the extremist that would rather destroy our economy than give a little
ground on ideology.
I agree with Hatch, except I think he is wrong in thinking that the Republican
Party may end up dominated by radicals. The Republican party is dominated by
Progressive Radicals. The Progressives in the Republican party gave us George
Bush, John McCain, and the last election where it was a slug fest and it took
the non-radicals to nominate somebody who the Progressives didn't like.
Hatch has had almost 40 yrs. to send out his press releases, and issue goofy
statements about "reaching across the aisle". Utah media has pretty
much bowed before him.HE'S one of the big reasons we, as a
country, are in the mess we're in. Grandma and grandpa who ALWAYS vote the
"R" straight ticket got him elected. Probably a few demos. also voted
for him knowing full well that Howell woulnd't be elected.He's NOT a conservative, he's a RINO.Conservatives
don't claim him. Maybe he should just start caucusing with the Demos.
where he feels more at home.
Orrin, you promised us it was your and Utah's time to lead. Lets see what
you can really do.
Shall we strive for consensus and compromise on gay marriage? Abortion?
Deficit spending? The definition of illegal alien? One man's consensus is
another man's sell-out.
Radicals are those who never pause to consider that they may be wrong. Radicals
are those who refuse to compromise. Say NO to BO wrote: "Shall
we strive for consensus and compromise on gay marriage? Abortion? Deficit
spending? The definition of illegal alien? One man's consensus is another
man's sell-out."The LDS Church has agreed to not oppose
"civil unions" for gay couples. Did the Church sell out? The LDS
Church recognizes that there are justified abortions. Did the Church sell out?
The Great Depression and WWII necessitated deficit spending. Did FDR sell out?
Or should he have allowed Americans to starve and fought the Nazis with
broomsticks? Young couples buying homes almost always borrow money (deficit
spending). Are these young Americans selling out? And you are quibbling over
the definition of "illegal alien?" Until convicted in a court of law,
the word "illegal" doesn't apply to anyone in America, and aliens
are from outerspace...
I used to be a Republican, but in recent years the party has gone so far to the
right and adopted so many irrational positions that I could no longer, in good
conscience, be a member. I am now unaffiliated and hope for more moderation from
both parties. As for fiscal matters, what the extremists are now
calling fiscal conservativism is really just another name for irresponsible
devotion to creating an economy in which all the wealth accumulates at the top.
Such an economy is unsustainable. What I find particularly odd is that I
don't hear "fiscal conservatives" claiming that economic inequality
is good (no one does). But all their policies promote it as if it were the only
true economic gospel. Pathetic.
The inference here is that Dan Liljenquist is a radical, and that for Senator
Hatch to join the rest of the Utah delegation in opposing a really dumb bill
that only kicked the can down the road would represent radical thinking.
I'd like to ask the august Senator why he considers cutting spending,
reforming entitlements and righting our seriously listing fiscal ship radical
thoughts. The idea of 6 more years of this wrong-headed guy scares
me to death!
Too late. Moderates like Hatch are a dying breed. Unfortunately.
Mr. Hatch: You need look no further than your own mirror to see where
America's problems lie! Just look what has happened on your
"watch". Shame on you and the rest of our "representatives"!
Hatch is a sell out.Has been for years.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UT...and the last election where it
was a slug fest and it took the non-radicals to nominate somebody who the
Progressives didn't like.1:08 p.m. Jan. 9, 2013============ Mitt Romney was NOT the conservative you like to
think he was, He was a Northeastern, Rockafeller, Blue Dog, RINO
Republican -- and everybody knew it.Besides -- You're one to
be talking smack about Hatch.You voted for him, didn't you?FYI - You, Mike Richards, Voice of Reason, Mountaman, wrz, jsf, L White,
ect....You are the radical extremeists Senator Hatch was talking about.
Allright, the tea party radicals get what they call for from both sides. The tea
party's call to not pay our incurred debt to get "leverage" should
end the party's effectiveness forever.
Mr. Hatch--you bought the materials for, designed, constructed, ordered linens
for and MADE this sad looking bed. And you WILL sleep in it. The fact that
nobody but weird Uncle Ray and boring Aunt Wanda want to join you for a
sleepover is no ones fault but your own. Enjoy the "ahem"--slumber
To "LDS Liberal" Romney was a step in the right direction. He is
exactly what I thought he was. Since you do not have the ability to read minds,
there is no way you know what I think of Romney.Actually, you and
your ilk that have joined the Republican party and keep insisting they nominate
"moderates" are the ones that are the radical extremists. The
Republicans need to stop trying to be like your ilk to appear moderate.
It is interesting that Hatch uses the word Radical. Remember the Founding
Fathers were called Radicals. Hatch has a terrible record on conservative
issues. Hatch used to be a champion for conservative issues, but his friendship
with Kennedy has had him championing liberal causes. He is no expert on
Radicals. The real radicals are those men and women who have taken us away from
our founding principles and the Constitution. The last 120 years of America
have seen mostly Prsident's who had more interest in socialistic/communist
principles and ignored the Constitution completely. It has been a slow road to
ruin and Obama has just about got us to the point of no return. God help us
It MAY end up being dominated by radicals?
With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy . . .* Did you just label Senator
Hatch a "RINO"? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you absolutely KNOW that Jon Huntsman Jr. is a RINO? . . . then
maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you think that
political litmus tests and monolithic ideological purity are good things? . . .
then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Did you pillory
Senator Hatch over his vote on the fiscal cliff bill? . . . then maybe
you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you think that going over
the fiscal cliff would've been a good thing because sequestration would
have reined in big government spending? . . . then maybe you're a
Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you think that shutting down government
via the debt ceiling would be a good thing for the same reason? . . . then maybe
you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you think that individual
welfare is shameful, but corporate welfare(subsidy) is okay? . . . then maybe
you're a Right-Wing Extremist.* Do you reject biological
darwinism, but regularly promote economic darwinism? . . . then maybe
you're a Right-Wing Extremist.[*Tried* to use the signature
"If you / you might be", but it was rejected for "copyright
To "SG in SLC" I want to add one more.If you disagree with
Democrats or liberal policies, you are a right wing extreamist.
Wow, I sure hope Orrin is right! We should have kicked him out of office when
we had the chance...Let's look at this. He was the only Utah
representative in Washington to voted to raise taxes on small businesses. The
other four must have known something he didn't. I'll
support a true Constitution loving person any day of the week. Orrin isn't
one of them!
For those of you who are defending Uncle Orrin, shame on you. Orrin campaigned
as a conservative, which he has never been, and at the first opportunity, his
vote contradicts that. For those of you that think that vote only restored the
"Bush tax cuts", you best read the bill because Orrin did not. Orrin,
like Bennett, loves big spending and Big Government and then when up for
re-election, becomes a chameleon. Uncle Orrin is a carpetbagger,
having spent little time in the state and will not return upon leaving the
senate. If able, just like Bennett, he will become a lobbyist. Then he can
truly reach out to all of those across the aisle and really make the big dollars
and be properly rewarded for his "life of service".
It is a national tragedy that the GOP has been unable to withstand a hostile
Is it not rather strange that those who have power feel they know what's
best for the Republican Party? The Republican Party does not represent
Republican's anymore. I think it is time for Conservative Republican's
to jump ship. Not one more dime of mine is going to the Republican Party. They
do not represent me nor my family. I feel dirty being associated with them. Time
to start looking elsewhere. Libertarian maybe? Democrat? Not Republican. They
are to wishy washy. Exactly what are Wrights and Hatch's values? Which way
will they swing next election?
@RedShirtI didn't say (and don't believe) that those who
disagree with Democrats or liberal policies are Right-Wing Extremists.
Democrats and liberals don't have all the answers (far from it); neither do
Republicans and conservatives (again, far from it). I believe that civil,
substantive discussion and debate are valuable, and usually lead to the best
outcomes. However, I don't have much patience for dogma, or for those who
promote a "let it burn" agenda to try to ensure that the opposition
party President is a one-term President.And . . . maybe you just
reinforced my previous post.
Mr. Bomar, you surely do know a lot about Senator Hatch and what he is doing
once he's retired. He has been in the state helping people here at least
once a month and sometimes two or three times a month. And, I didn't know
you were in the know about where he is going to reside when his term is through.
You have great mental telepathy!
To Wanda B. Rich,A "Free Market Economy" is just that. It
allows people who work hard, come up with innovative ideas, inventions or a
unique business to be successful. It also allows layabouts, unmotivated citizens
and those who are not willing to pay the price of success to be less successful.
When the government steps in to engineer success, everyone suffers
financially, because confiscatory taxes and regulations prevent the opportunity
for success. And this is where we are today, creeping into Socialism.There have been programs to help the truly needy for a long time, but when you
have 50 million on Food Stamps and a President who wants to spread the wealth
around, we get the economy that we have today.
The Utah GOP is already dominated by radicals. You have to look no further than
the domination exercised by the Eagle Forum and similar organizations to prove
The "radicals" Orrin was referring to were the same teavangelicals he
cozied up to to get reelected.@ John Charity SpringOh,
goody. Another *reds are under the beds* rant. Not even Hillary beat the whole
right wing conspiracy drum as loud and long as JCS has w/ his usual song and
at RedShirt 3:38 p.m. Jan. 9, 2013"Actually, you and your ilk
that have joined the Republican party and keep insisting they nominate
"moderates" are the ones that are the radical extremists. The
Republicans need to stop trying to be like your ilk to appear moderate."Moderates are radical & extreme? How Orwellian, ironic,
oxymoronical, irrational, illogical, & ridiculous!
To those who think Orrin Hatch was talking about extremists who think a
woman's body should be able to prevent a pregnancy after a rape. You are
dead wrong! Orrin Hatch hates the tea party. If you do not care for
the tea party, congratulation, you have fallen for the lies and deception of the
Obama administration and their media who want you to think the tea party is some
radical nut group. It just isn't true. They want smaller government
inspired by the constitution (not precedent). Please, Utah, WAKE UP! You
should never have sent Hatch back to the Senate. He helped cause the problems
we now have....he can't be expected to help fix them.
Then election is over and the real Hatch is back. I wish he would just go
sit with the Dems.
So Orrin Hatch believes all who do not think just like he does are radical.How extremely liberal of him.He apparently also puts his
party first above Utah and the country.No wonder the left loves him.
SG in SLC,Wonderful list! Cracked me up.Redshirt,"If you disagree with Democrats or liberal policies, you are a right wing
extreamist."Nope, not funny. Too predictable, paints yourself as
too much of a victim. Let me correct it for you, although mine isn't very
funny either:"If you disagree with Democrats but are too
bullheaded, arrogant, and blind to realize that government should be run by
compromise and intelligent debate, you might be a right-wing extremist".
Don't worry, there are liberal Democrats who fit that
I'm not involved in the Republican Party here, so for those of you
bellowing to the high heavens about how Hatch is a RINO, a carpetbagger, a
career politician, and turncoat, etc., would you please explain to me how you
have kept him in office for OVER THREE DECADES? Democrats in the state have been
pointing out the hypocrisy of his lifetime Senate career for years, and now you
finally have a problem with it.You have no one to blame but
yourselves. And you'd hate Ronald Reagan if he showed up today,
so I hope this brave new breed of Republican has found another patron saint they
might actually recognize.
as opposed to you, Senator Hatch; a big spending fiscal liberal that has voted
for $15 trillion of excess spending during your time in the Senate. Basically
you are telling Utahn's we need to keep spending our grandchildren and
great grandchildrens money. How selfish of you Senator Hatch.
Utah republicon voters should continue to elect hatch.Eventually he
will get around to whatever it is you want him to be...
We need a few more "radicals" in politics--people who won't stand
by while the nation chalks up over $16,000,000,000,000 in official Federal
deficit, people who will stand up and and insist on a balanced budget amendment,
people who believe that government should serve the people and be controlled by
the people rather than the other way around, people who don't believe that
politics should be a career for an elected aristocracy, etc. Yeah, a few more
radicals to make the country actually start working again, instead of just going
with the flow and riding the gravy train with all the other typical politicians.
You mean radicals who advocate cutting spending money we don't have? You
mean Orrin, radicals who want a fiscally sound government? You mean radicals
that want to limit the size of government and limit government intrusion into
our lives? If those are the radicals Orrin refers to then I strongly
disagree with and remember how I voted against him in 2012 and in 2006.
What does Hatch mean by "may" be dominated by radicals? The GOP in Utah
is already dominated by radicals, especially in the Utah County area.
My company does business in most states and Utah is believed to be radical and I
use a Colorado mailing address to avoid having to defend that.By my
thoughts neither party has all the answers and I voted on who I felt could best
represent me (and that did include some frm each party.) I would have volted for
a 3rd party canidate if I had thought there was a viable one. I think with the
help of both major parties, that may become a possibility.Somehow we
need to learn to work together and recognize that the US governme, the congress
nor others should represent only one view because that is just not the makeup of
our country. Yes we need to do some things to keep it the greatesr country in
the worlk but carrying pitchforks around just to poke someone with different
ideas doesn't match up with my ideas on how to do it.
Many comments are pillorying Hatch on the grounds that if he voted to avoid the
fiscal cliff, then he clearly doesn't care about the deficit, fiscal
responsibility, is a RINO, etc. Has it occurred to you that one can be
concerned about federal spending, but believe that going over the cliff (which
would likely send the fragile US and global economies into a nosedive) was NOT
the solution to the problem? Is it possible that the vast majority of the
country agrees that the debt is a crisis, but not yours isn't the answer?
It's precisely this attitude of "If you don't agree
with my solution, you're the enemy!" that's the hallmark of
radicalism. You can bleat all you want about returning the vision of the
Founding Fathers to solve our country's problems, but a consistent reason
they succeeded in their enterprise was understooding the art of compromise. If you aren't willing to do that, if you simply shout "Let it
burn!" (as another poster put it nicely) and insist on having all or
nothing...then don't give me sanctiminious rhetoric about the true meaning
of the Consitution or Republicanism.
"Is it not rather strange that those who have power feel they know
what's best for the Republican Party? The Republican Party does not
represent Republican's anymore. I think it is time for Conservative
Republican's to jump ship."I agree... I wish all the hard
core conservatives would jump ship. I want a party that takes the people funds
as an almost sacred trust... but also doesn't use race or economic status
as a wedge issue, a party that could get over Roe V. Wade and could get to
worrying more about keeping girls from getting pregnant in the first place, and
that equally understood that ones persons rights doesn't trump
another's right - that there can be two right answers some ties. I
absolutely don't want a Republican party that has a litmus test.
Note to Bomar:Market triumphalism went out the window as a failed
economic philosophy in 2007-2008, just before the Great Republican Amnesia set
in. And where did I say that the government needed to step in to
"engineer" success? That's your vision of what you think rational
people think. As for hardworking people being able to succeed in today's
economy, most of the hardworking people in America have been getting a smaller
and smaller piece of the pie for the past 30 years. See note on market