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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 8 2013 4:50 p.m. MST

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Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

Typical biased Utah spin that focuses only on SOS, while completely ignoring wins and losses.

It's interesting that you used Sagarin's SOS rankings, but chose to ignore Sagarin's team rankings.

After include both SOS AND wins/losses in his calculations, here are Sagarin's final rankings for 2011 and 2012.

2011
BYU #34 10-3
Utah #39 8-5

2012
BYU #26 8-5
Utah #61 5-7

You also also chose to completely ignore the fact that BYU played FIVE ranked teams, while Utah only played TWO.

If Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost to Utah State, San Jose State, Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech, and Oregon State, and San Diego State, IF the Utes had managed to be bowl eligible by beating all of the teams U should have beaten, which is hardly a given since Utah has proven that they're capable of losing to anybody.

Bottom line, Utah would have been 6-7 or 5-7 playing BYU's schedule.

WON84
PLANO, TX

"The Runnin' Utes will be runnin' all the way to the bank as the University of Utah's football team posted $21.2 million in revenue and a $9.8 million profit. The BYU football team also netted some healthy earnings gaining $15.6 million in total revenue for a $4.89 million profit."

Total figures aside, why is nearly 50% of Utah's revenue profit compared to around a third of BYU's?

WON84
PLANO, TX

"No wonder there's so much anger and hate. Even when your rival has it's worst season, you still can't beat them. So then you quickly use the old "one game doesn't define a season" gag. I guess that, and not being in a BCS conference (being on the outside looking in) generates a lot of hate and animosity. It sure is shinning through on these threads. I love it!"

Spokane, this discussion is being had on an article about BYU. I don't see BYU fans flocking to comment on articles about the Utes, or anyone really as there are usually 1-3 comments on those articles. So, you tell me who has the hate and animosity?

WON84
PLANO, TX

"I applied and got IN. I spent my Freshman year at the Y before opting to transfer. That means I rejected the Y; not the other way around. Fail."

Naval - This has consumed your life, posting on these boards to try and get back at BYU. Tell us what they did to you please.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Snack PAC

If Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost to Utah State, San Jose State, Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech, and Oregon State, and San Diego State,

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Nope. Utah State needed OT to win at home, I think we could have handled them at RES 20-17. Just like I think BYU would have lost at USU this year.

Against Oregon State we lost on the road 21-7 while your best defense in history got punked 42-24 at home.

As far as SDSU? Well, except for TCU we haven't had a problem beating anyone from the MWC since 2008 (4-1 vs BYU and 3-0 vs SDSU).

So we would most likely go 8-5, just like BYU.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

WON84
PLANO, TX

"I don't see BYU fans flocking to comment on articles about the Utes"

Seriously? You don't read ANY Ute articles then. Be realistic man!!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"** Interesting factoid: Utah's Basketball program outpaced the Y's financially -- attendance notwithstanding. Utah grossed $5.9M, and netted $2.3M, whereas the Y grossed $5.9M, but netted only $172K."

That's because going to the Dance is expensive, something Utah hasn't had to worry about for a while.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Snack PAC

BYU also played teams ranked 161, 165, 174, 179. Overall, Utah played higher quality teams week in and week out.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

2fer

"Overall, Utah played higher quality teams week in and week out."

But, BYU played a tougher schedule.

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Uteology

Best case scenario, the Utes would have finished 6-6 with loss to SDSU in their bowl, playing BYU's schedule. If you're going to claim a win instead of loss playing USU at home, then you have to accept a loss instead of a win playing BYU on the road.

Worst case scenario, the Utes would have lost to both BYU and USU to finish 5-7, just as they did playing their own schedule.

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"As far as SDSU? Well, except for TCU we haven't had a problem beating anyone from the MWC since 2008."

You also haven't had a problem losing to 10-loss teams. Sorry, but SDSU would have stomped U.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Swoop

Wrong. Playing higher quality teams week in and week out equates to playing a tougher schedule. That is reflected in the rankings as Utah's SOS is ranked 20 spots higher than BYU's.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

2fer

Wrong!

Which team has a better chance of finishing with a better record?

Team Y: which plays FIVE Top 25 teams, FIVE bottom 25 teams, and TWO middle 70 teams

or

Team U: which plays TWO Top 25 teams, TWO bottom 25 teams, and EIGHT middle 70 teams

If both teams are middle 70 teams,

Team Y can pencil in FIVE losses and FIVE wins, which means they have to split their remaining two games against equivalent-level teams to break even.

Team U can pencil in TWO losses and TWO wins, which means they have to split their remaining eight games against equivalent-level teams to break even.

In other words, both teams have similar chances for success, so the team that actually finishes with the better record would be considered more successful against the competition they faced.

It's laughable that you choose to obsess about SOS, while completely ignoring final records and final rankings.

#26 BYU(8-5) - #63 SOS
#61 Utah(5-7) - #41 SOS

Someday our little friends on the hill will finally figure out that it doesn't matter how tough your SOS is, if you DON'T WIN!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ TrueBlue

The team with five built in wins obviously has the better chance of qualifying for a bowl. You are assuming that teams ranked 26 through 95 are equal. Baylor and Michigan are not comparable to Western Michigan. Utah had less cupcakes and most of their "middle" teams were still in the upper half of the college football rankings. (UCLA, ASU, Arizona, UW, USC, BYU).

It's hilarious that you continue to tout the final records and rankings, because they are a direct consequence of the schedule each team played. Next year BYU has stepped up their schedule and you will see a drop in the number of wins. Deep down I'm sure you know that already though.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

twofer

"It's hilarious that you continue to tout the final records and rankings, because they are a direct consequence of the schedule each team played."

No, it's ridiculous that you fail to understand that final rankings are based on a combination of SOS AND final records.

Finishing 8-5 against the #63 SOS is better than finishing 5-7 against the #41 SOS.

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but SOS is MEANINGLESS, if you don't WIN.

#11 Florida State(66), #13 Ohio State(60), #14 Clemson(61) and #19 Utah State(97) all had similar or worse SOS than #26 BYU(63), but were all ranked higher because they had BETTER RECORDS than BYU.

Utah's only wins - #26 BYU, #78 California, #104 Washington State, #156 Colorado, #171 Northern Colorado

Let's face it; U were lucky to pull off a win against BYU, because the Cougars were the only decent team you beat all season. Stop whining because you weren't good enough to beat #44 Arizona or #56 Washington to qualify for a bowl.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Two For Flinching

BYU was good enough to beat #19 Utah State and #46 Georgia Tech, plus 5 other teams to qualify for a bowl.

Stop whining because U weren't good enough to beat #44 Arizona and/or #56 Washington.

With only one win against a team in the Top 60, it's easy to see why you weren't even ranked in the Top 60.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"It's so funny how BYU fans act as if this last season define's Utah's past, and coming 20 football seasons."

Yeah, it's so funny how Utah fans act as if the 2004 and 2008 seasons defined Utah's past, and coming 20 football seasons. It is pretty ridiculous, don't you agree?

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Two For Flinching,

Don't you realize that SOS is heavily considered when doing the rankings? That's why an undefeated team can be ranked outside the top 5, and it also explains why some 1-loss teams are ranked lower than some 2-loss teams. So in 2011 BYU was a top-25 team despite their weaker SOS, not because of it.

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