Published: Tuesday, Jan. 8 2013 4:50 p.m. MST
UteologyTypical biased Utah spin that focuses only on SOS, while
completely ignoring wins and losses.It's interesting that you
used Sagarin's SOS rankings, but chose to ignore Sagarin's team
rankings.After include both SOS AND wins/losses in his calculations,
here are Sagarin's final rankings for 2011 and 2012.2011BYU #34 10-3Utah #39 8-52012BYU #26 8-5Utah #61
5-7You also also chose to completely ignore the fact that BYU played
FIVE ranked teams, while Utah only played TWO.If Utah had played
BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost to Utah State, San Jose State,
Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech, and Oregon State, and San Diego State, IF
the Utes had managed to be bowl eligible by beating all of the teams U should
have beaten, which is hardly a given since Utah has proven that they're
capable of losing to anybody.Bottom line, Utah would have been 6-7
or 5-7 playing BYU's schedule.
"The Runnin' Utes will be runnin' all the way to the bank as the
University of Utah's football team posted $21.2 million in revenue and a
$9.8 million profit. The BYU football team also netted some healthy earnings
gaining $15.6 million in total revenue for a $4.89 million profit."Total figures aside, why is nearly 50% of Utah's revenue profit compared
to around a third of BYU's?
"No wonder there's so much anger and hate. Even when your rival has
it's worst season, you still can't beat them. So then you quickly use
the old "one game doesn't define a season" gag. I guess that, and
not being in a BCS conference (being on the outside looking in) generates a lot
of hate and animosity. It sure is shinning through on these threads. I love
it!"Spokane, this discussion is being had on an article about
BYU. I don't see BYU fans flocking to comment on articles about the Utes,
or anyone really as there are usually 1-3 comments on those articles. So, you
tell me who has the hate and animosity?
"I applied and got IN. I spent my Freshman year at the Y before opting to
transfer. That means I rejected the Y; not the other way around. Fail."Naval - This has consumed your life, posting on these boards to try and
get back at BYU. Tell us what they did to you please.
@Snack PACIf Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would
have lost to Utah State, San Jose State, Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech,
and Oregon State, and San Diego State,-----------Nope.
Utah State needed OT to win at home, I think we could have handled them at RES
20-17. Just like I think BYU would have lost at USU this year. Against Oregon State we lost on the road 21-7 while your best defense in
history got punked 42-24 at home. As far as SDSU? Well, except for
TCU we haven't had a problem beating anyone from the MWC since 2008 (4-1 vs
BYU and 3-0 vs SDSU). So we would most likely go 8-5, just like
WON84PLANO, TX"I don't see BYU fans flocking to
comment on articles about the Utes"Seriously? You don't
read ANY Ute articles then. Be realistic man!!
Naval VetPhiladelphia, PA"** Interesting factoid:
Utah's Basketball program outpaced the Y's financially -- attendance
notwithstanding. Utah grossed $5.9M, and netted $2.3M, whereas the Y grossed
$5.9M, but netted only $172K."That's because going to the
Dance is expensive, something Utah hasn't had to worry about for a while.
@ Snack PACBYU also played teams ranked 161, 165, 174, 179.
Overall, Utah played higher quality teams week in and week out.
2fer"Overall, Utah played higher quality teams week in and week
out."But, BYU played a tougher schedule.---------UteologyBest case scenario, the Utes would have finished 6-6
with loss to SDSU in their bowl, playing BYU's schedule. If you're
going to claim a win instead of loss playing USU at home, then you have to
accept a loss instead of a win playing BYU on the road.Worst case
scenario, the Utes would have lost to both BYU and USU to finish 5-7, just as
they did playing their own schedule.-------------"As
far as SDSU? Well, except for TCU we haven't had a problem beating anyone
from the MWC since 2008."You also haven't had a problem
losing to 10-loss teams. Sorry, but SDSU would have stomped U.
@ SwoopWrong. Playing higher quality teams week in and week out
equates to playing a tougher schedule. That is reflected in the rankings as
Utah's SOS is ranked 20 spots higher than BYU's.
2ferWrong!Which team has a better chance of finishing
with a better record?Team Y: which plays FIVE Top 25 teams, FIVE
bottom 25 teams, and TWO middle 70 teamsorTeam U: which
plays TWO Top 25 teams, TWO bottom 25 teams, and EIGHT middle 70 teamsIf both teams are middle 70 teams, Team Y can pencil in FIVE
losses and FIVE wins, which means they have to split their remaining two games
against equivalent-level teams to break even.Team U can pencil in
TWO losses and TWO wins, which means they have to split their remaining eight
games against equivalent-level teams to break even.In other words,
both teams have similar chances for success, so the team that actually finishes
with the better record would be considered more successful against the
competition they faced.It's laughable that you choose to obsess
about SOS, while completely ignoring final records and final rankings.#26 BYU(8-5) - #63 SOS#61 Utah(5-7) - #41 SOSSomeday our
little friends on the hill will finally figure out that it doesn't matter
how tough your SOS is, if you DON'T WIN!
@ TrueBlueThe team with five built in wins obviously has the better
chance of qualifying for a bowl. You are assuming that teams ranked 26 through
95 are equal. Baylor and Michigan are not comparable to Western Michigan. Utah
had less cupcakes and most of their "middle" teams were still in the
upper half of the college football rankings. (UCLA, ASU, Arizona, UW, USC,
BYU).It's hilarious that you continue to tout the final records
and rankings, because they are a direct consequence of the schedule each team
played. Next year BYU has stepped up their schedule and you will see a drop in
the number of wins. Deep down I'm sure you know that already though.
twofer"It's hilarious that you continue to tout the final
records and rankings, because they are a direct consequence of the schedule each
team played."No, it's ridiculous that you fail to
understand that final rankings are based on a combination of SOS AND final
records.Finishing 8-5 against the #63 SOS is better than finishing
5-7 against the #41 SOS.Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but SOS
is MEANINGLESS, if you don't WIN.#11 Florida State(66), #13
Ohio State(60), #14 Clemson(61) and #19 Utah State(97) all had similar or worse
SOS than #26 BYU(63), but were all ranked higher because they had BETTER RECORDS
than BYU.Utah's only wins - #26 BYU, #78 California, #104
Washington State, #156 Colorado, #171 Northern ColoradoLet's
face it; U were lucky to pull off a win against BYU, because the Cougars were
the only decent team you beat all season. Stop whining because you weren't
good enough to beat #44 Arizona or #56 Washington to qualify for a bowl.
Two For FlinchingBYU was good enough to beat #19 Utah State and #46
Georgia Tech, plus 5 other teams to qualify for a bowl.Stop whining
because U weren't good enough to beat #44 Arizona and/or #56 Washington.With only one win against a team in the Top 60, it's easy to see
why you weren't even ranked in the Top 60.
"It's so funny how BYU fans act as if this last season define's
Utah's past, and coming 20 football seasons."Yeah,
it's so funny how Utah fans act as if the 2004 and 2008 seasons defined
Utah's past, and coming 20 football seasons. It is pretty ridiculous,
don't you agree?
Two For Flinching,Don't you realize that SOS is heavily
considered when doing the rankings? That's why an undefeated team can be
ranked outside the top 5, and it also explains why some 1-loss teams are ranked
lower than some 2-loss teams. So in 2011 BYU was a top-25 team despite their
weaker SOS, not because of it.
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