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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 10:00 p.m. MST

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andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

Do these people still think we live in the wild west? Apparently. I'm not against guns, though I don't see the point or need to own semi-automatic rifles. Switzerland has extremely low crime for a whole lot of other reasons besides everyone owning a rifle. See above posts.

The fact remains, the US has 3.7 gun homicides per 100,000 people. Greece is 0.59, Norway is .04, The UK is 0.04, Germany is 0.06, Japan is 0.02..... Do you see a trend here? Clearly what we are doing IS NOT WORKING. Yet you can't get that through people's heads, they continue to believe that the solution is more and more guns. I'm sure there are other reasons that contribute to the huge disparity, hollywood culture, etc..... but to look at those numbers and believe that the solution is more guns is just ludicrous.

Esquire
Springville, UT

The same people who don't want government to tell them what to do now wants to tell people what to do. This is madness! Don't you people see the hypocrisy?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Esquire. Next time you are about to be a victim of a crime, don't call the police because they will show up with guns!

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Oh my liberal citizens how the Constitution muddies up the water. Other countries cultures? Who cares. We are who we are. " He who trades freedom for safety get neither. Good for Spring City. Yippy Ky Yay!!!

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

"Spring City has a low crime rate for two reasons - the knowledge that most people are prepared to defend themselves and the community will support them doing so."
-Demisana

. . . or, perhaps more likely, Spring City has a low crime rate because it is an out-of-the-way rural farming community of less that 1000 people, and is over 50 miles away from the Wasatch Front.

By comparison, Newtown, CT (population 27,000), is about 45 miles from the Hartford, CT metro area (population 1.2 million), and just over 60 miles from New York City. Aurora, CO (population 325,000) and Columbine, CO (population 24,000) are both suburbs of Denver. And, Clackamas/Happy Valley, OR (population 14,000) is a suburb of Portland.

While it is not the sole factor, and correlation certainly does not equal causation, there is a strong correlation between higher crime rates and lots of people in close proximity (read: higher populations).

Just sayin' . . .

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

Read the article instead of just the headline and you will find that the city council is recommending gun safety and training as the main thrust of their ordinance.

Homeowners are specific as the basic unit of gun ownership for protection of family and property.

one old man
Ogden, UT

More misinformation from MM when he says "Switzerland requires the same thing."

If this wasn't such a serious subject, it would be hilarious that the Republicans who decry any kind of government regulation want to to do this.

granddaddy
stamford / usa, CT

The Scots had such laws in the 16th century (and following) something to the effect every adult male had to have his sword and other weapons at the ready, so as to respond to the clan Chief's call within hours of summons. I believe adult was defined as who could lift a claymore (a sturdy double handled sword). See Sir Walter Scot's history of Scotland, sometimes calles Tales of a Grandfather (circa 1826-1830)

South Carolina had a law in the 18th century that every voting adult male who had a pistol had to be armed at all times, including Sundays when they went to church meetings!

The Minutemen in New England had their muskets at the ready at all times (18th century).

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

The resolution defies rational discussion.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Mountainman, Switzerland in many provinces has started requiring households to keep the state owned rifles in a town locker because they also had a mass shooting,home shooting, suicides and "accidents".

Many of the gun enthusiast's favorite stories are just that.

Israel has also stopped letting soldiers take guns home because of their soldier suicide problem. Turns out that without the gun, not too many commit suicide.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

So if violent crime is deterred by every home having a gun, doesn't it follow that we could deter DUI's by every home having a bar?

Beverly
Eden, UT

This kind of thinking is the end-product of fear. In the United States, over many years of research, it is clear that homes with guns in them are twelve times more likely to have a gun death of a family member than homes that do not have a gun in them. Accidental death, and suicides are the leading causes. Spring City is a quiet, peaceful, community. Crime is very low. Fear will take freedom more quickly than the U.S. government. When fear creates this kind of thinking, freedom is lost. When you lock yourself in your home, clutching a gun, forced on you by your fear-mongering local government, you have lost a substantial amount of freedom. Think this through. It is a foolish idea based on unfounded fear.

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

Blame "Hollywood". Blame violent video games. Blame the mentally ill.

Go ahead. BUT, other developed countries watch our movies, play our video games, and have mentally-ill people.
They do not have our rate of violence and murder.

When Gabby Giffords was shot, there were three concealed weapons carriers in the audience who did NOTHING until an elderly man and woman physically jumped on top of Loughner and stopped the shooting. Then, one of the CCW jumped on top of them.

THEN, the man who was holding down Loughner was almost shot by another "good guy" who was walking out of the Walgreens store next door. This "hero" could have started a huge firefight.

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

To any of you who believe that America can or will somehow get rid of guns someday, that could only happen if we became a totalitarian police state. Like for instance Nazi Germany. Getting rid of guns in America would be like getting rid of illegal aliens. Possible, but few Americans would want to pay the price to do it. So with that reality to face, deal with what to do with an armed America. My advise is to make gun crime a manditatory 20 to life prison sentence with no parole. The one government program that I would like to see an increase of funding for is more prisons. If we have to keep one third of our population locked up because they are criminals, that's fine with me. I think that kind of punishment would eventually result in deterrence and ultimately less gun crime as well as other crime in general. The fact that we as honest citizens have to live in our communities and walk the streets with criminals who are out on early parole because of overcrowding is a large part of the reason we want guns in the first place.

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

Re: British gun laws - the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 criminalised most semi-automatic long-barrelled weapons. The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 criminalised private possession of most handguns having a calibre over .22, and in 1997 the incoming Labour government introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act, which extended this to most handguns with a calibre of .22 (there are exceptions for some antique handguns and black-powder revolvers.) A firearms certificate issued by the police is required for all weapons and ammunition except air weapons of modest power. Shotguns with a capacity of three rounds or less (up to guns with a magazine holding no more than two rounds, in addition to one in the chamber) are subject to less stringent licensing requirements than other firearms; shotguns with higher capacity require a Firearms Certificate. Possession of a live firearms round can lead to severe penalties. Shotgun cartridges can be possessed by anybody over the age of 17 but a Shotgun Licence is required.

Criminals have maintained a steady flow of smuggled guns from eastern Europe, exhibition weapons reactivated in illegal "factories" run by underworld dealers, and guns stolen from private collections. Between 1989/2009 gun violence doubled.

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

Oh, boy. Crime rates are calculated as the number of crimes per capita. I.e., a low population has few total numbers, a large population higher total numbers, but the rates make it possible to compare apples to apples.

And this highly informed comment "I'm not against guns, though I don't see the point or need to own semi-automatic rifles." Almost all guns sold today are semi-automatic. Every gun used by a cop or a soldier is semi-automatic. It just means that every time you pull the trigger, another round is loaded into the chamber, ready for the next time you pull the trigger. Trust me, if I have a home invader high on meth or something, I want to be able to pull the trigger again quickly if he doesn't get the idea the first time. Rifles are easier to use than pistols, and more accurate. And with the correct ammo, also less likely to go through walls.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

I wonder how many who support compulsory gun ownership are against the Affordable Health Care Act. Problem is, no one in my vast extended family has ever needed a gun to defend themselves but all have needed affordable access to healthcare, at some point in their lives. Access to healthcare is clearly more urgent.

Fear doesn't build, it destroys. The result of fear is to flee the cause of anxiety, not move constructively towards a specific good. You see that in animals. Fear mongers don't help you, they inspire phobia in order to control, or get gain. I find it disgusting that the pro-gun agenda has used the tragedy of murdered children and teachers to further their cause. Follow the money. There is profit in fear.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

At least it's just a resolution and not a nutty city ordinance making gun ownership compulsory like we've seen in other communities in America attempt to do. Still, it doesn't help dispel a growing perception of gun advocacy as something that has taken a turn towards fanaticism. To answer reasonable gun control proposals with a posture of in-your-face defiance gives greater weight to calls for updated gun control measures.

"A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State....."

The original intent couldn't be any plainer, could it? The Second Amendment itself opens by stating its sole purpose. The ghosts of the Founding Father must be grimacing at the specter of how a right that they meant to guarantee a well-regulated militia now does little more than accommodate a well-armed mob.

UT Brit
London, England

@Demisana

So we can own firearms in the UK, gotcha. Thankfully few of us actually do. Also firing those activated replicas more often than not injures the shooter.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
Switzerland does the same thing and guess what the crime rate is there compared to Detroit, Chicago, New York and most other American cities where gun laws are strict and only criminals can own guns?

6:47 a.m. Jan. 8, 2013

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It's because Switzerland is SOCIALIST,
and
requires 100% military service.

If you want to use Switzerland as the example to follow,
then you must follow ALL of it.

Cherry-picking to suit your agenda is living a lie.

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