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Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 10:00 p.m. MST

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Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I believe in the right to keep and bear arms but I also believe in personal freedom not to exercise that right...

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

The infamous paranoid of our society are super spooked that someone is coming to take away their guns.
So now they want to take it a step further and require that we all have guns in our homes.
Will a penalty be initiated for those who choose to refuse to join in their irrational insanity?

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

People like this are the reason we have Sandy Hook, Aurora, etc. Don't you get it?? The Lanza's also believed this way and took at as far as having multiple semi-automatic weapons. I'm not against guns, but paranoia has played a part in our gun owning, violent culture. We think we have to solve all our own problems. I don't want to live in a society where everyone is armed to the teeth and thinks they can take the law into their own hands.

Also, a little bit of sporadic training is not going to cover it. Even seasoned veterans of combat, when they are home for a while, lose their edge and don't react they way they need to. This is not like training to rent a snowmobile.

Since an interesting culture in Utah that preaches loving your enemy, turning one's cheek, etc., and at the same time, kills for sport and wants everyone to pack heat under their coat and under their pillow.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I spent eight years in the Army and served in Iraq. Negligent discharges are real and happen more than many people like to admit. Ask any veteran police officer. There are some people that should not be allowed to have a fork. Asking a very large group of civilians to all own firearms is a bad idea.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

Ah...I love home.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Switzerland does the same thing and guess what the crime rate is there compared to Detroit, Chicago, New York and most other American cities where gun laws are strict and only criminals can own guns?

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

"Crime is virtually nonexistent in Spring City," she wrote. "Maybe people could actually lock their homes if they don't feel safe." Priceless, yes lock your door is a good start.

If you want to have fun go out there and ask the people if their town is safe. They, like most of rural America will burst with pride of the low crime rates and how they feel so safe they don't even lock their doors in case their neighbor wants to borrow a cup of flour.

But, get them on politics and it's all about about how the democrats are coming for their guns that they need for personal protection. They're preparing for Armageddon which they will start themselves to fulfill their own ungodly prophecies.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

So far the town council is showing signs of common sense in trying to have the new regulation be a recommendation and not a requirement. Burglars won't know who has a gun and who doesn't, and that is good.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Will they be drafting a resolution to require everyone to go to church? Why not? We have freedom of religion - why not require it?

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

Um, it's a resolution - meaning an official recommendation - not a law. No penalties, no requirements. And if you think people are paranoid - see England, Australia and South Africa, all of which in recent years confiscated the guns of the people, and all of which have seen a large rise in crime since then. In our country - see Chicago, which has some of the most draconian gun laws and also one of the worst crime rates. Gun control laws take guns out of the hands of the law abiding and embolden the criminals.

Spring City has a low crime rate for two reasons - the knowledge that most people are prepared to defend themselves and the community will support them doing so.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

A similar law was passed in Kennesaw, Georgia in 1982.

Between 1982 and 2005, overall crime DECREASED 50% in that city. And, Kennesaw now has the lowest crime rate in the county.

Thus we have actual evidence that requiring guns (with an exception for those who object) does not result in more crime, more accidents, or anything bad, but does result in less crime.

And, on the other hand, we have firm evidence from Chicago and Washington, SC, that total gun bans do not result in less killings, less overall crime, or less violence of any type.

Sorry, liberals, nothing valid to complain about with a town that is doing something that works, even if it goes against your unfounded prejudices.

Hurrah for Spring City, a breath of sanity!

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Mountainman,

Switzerland also has universal health care. Those with mental illness can get help without going into bankruptcy. Switzerland also has some of the most lenient prisons in the world where inmates are allowed to have cell phones. And yet their rate of recidivism is much lower than the US. By the way, only specific Swiss military units are allowed to have ammo in their home. The average Swiss citizen has their firearm at home, but no ammo. The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Mountainman,

I've lived in Switzerland (not a missionary but as an expat). The reason their crime rate is low is because of their total culture. They are a much more controlled society, less given to free expression and the extremes we have in the USA. They do not own handguns. Every man serves in the military and has a rifle which they use in training every year. That is the extent of gun ownership and use. They rarely hunt, do not have concealed weapons, and have a stronger sense of community and trust in their government and police to protect them.

I can tell you my Swiss friends (both LDS and non LDS) are horrified at the gun culture here and perplexed at our inability to solve it.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

Bravo for the city leaders of Spring City, a most pisturesque and nostalgic place. This is not a requirement, it is a recommendation and if it results in the residents getting more training and practice to be responsible gun users, that will be a great example.

All of you who think restricting gun ownership will help, please remember that the horrible incidents that have happened with guns have usually happened in "gun free" zones. Lanza's mother made a terrible mistake in making guns accessible to a mentally ill son, and the lesson from that is that parents need to keep their guns locked up. He wasn't a responsible adult, his mentality was that of a troubled child. Plenty of parents wish there were better resources for dealing with children with mental problems.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

A waste of time for all involved. Republicans seem to specialize in this kind of work; making laws/resolutions that are completely pointless. It's telling that the council member with the original idea wanted it to be a law, got voted down by his peers, and THEN comes out with old "big government is bad" line. It seems to only be bad when they don't get what they want.

Re: Allen, since when do burglars know if there is a gun or not in a home they rob now? I think one of the hallmarks of home robbery in America is that the person doing the robbing is generally not the brightest bloke and usually doesn't think about whether or not a gun is in the target household.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

In Bowling for Columbine, the great Michael Moore displayed a town in Arizona that required it's citizens to own a gun. Most people laughed and shook their heads. Once again--(and again and again) Moore is proven right in his belief that our own fear will be our undoing. This is sad, childish and a knee jerk response to tragedy by leaders with the wisdom that would have been thought of as immature in a Junior High School Student Body Officer only a few years ago.

UT Brit
London, England

@Demisana

Except crime has been dropping in the UK for years but dont let facts stand in your way.

One fact you cant escape though, Utah has a higher rate of murder than the UK and overall the US has 4 times the murder rate of the UK.

Whatever you are currently doing sure aint working.

Also how do some of my friends legally own rifles and shotguns here? I thought you said the government confiscated them all?

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

HB; this was not an ordinance, or a law, did you read the article? NFISG; "Will a penalty be initiated for those who choose to refuse to join in their irrational insanity?" Sounds just like nationally mandated health care right?

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Switzerland also has the fourth highest homicide rate according to PolitiFact (not exactly left-leaning either). The reason why for this gun training in Switzerland is because they don't have a standing army and rely on "a well regulated militia."

Bergbub
Midway, UT

The dumbing-down of America at its finest! What a rediculous proposal and shame on those who find this to be a solution to a real problem.

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