@stgI'll give you that, you aren't naval vet. So what did
blechen do at practice then? Did he just ride an excercise bike? That isn't
what was reported. I understand they had to give reps to the guys filling in for
him but that doesn't mean he wasn't practicing in full. Regardless he
was not punished by the football program in any way. It was a university
Duckhunter, don't know if you noticed, but I'm not naval vet. And like
I said before, just because a player is allowed to practice while under
disciplinary action, doesn't mean he is a full practice participant, and
those are things the media does not have access to or is able to comment on.
I'm going to leave it at that.
@stgSo what punishments did the team put on blechen? As naval vet is
so fond of telling us "If there is no certified published article about it
then it didn't happen." So please tell us what the team did to blechen
because there are no "ceritifed published articles" other than those
telling us he was a full participant in practies during his university, not
football team, mandated suspension from the games. Also you seem to
be more than just a little bit "frantic and emotional" about this. Why?
Duckhunter, simply being allowed to practice does not mean the team didn't
impose any of its own discipline on him, or that he actually was a full practice
participant. The team handles nearly all of its team rules violations
internally, pretty much the same as any other program. Virtually the only times
they get reported is when it involves a player's gameplay status. You
either already know this and just want to blow it out of proportion, or you are
not really as intimate with the workings of a college football program as you
let on to be.
ute4ever"This shouldn't even be a story. This former player
is a person and a walkon that would never have his name in the mud if it
wasn't for the media...."You're welcome to live in
your own little fantasy world if you like, but that completely ignores the
reality that EVERY player who becomes associated with a major college football
program, be it starter, walkon, or recruit, is immediately thrust into the
public spotlight.The fact that this player was kicked off
Utah's football team is newsworthy, regardless of how much that embarrasses
U or anybody else associated with Utah football.
joseywalesActually, you're more likely to get scarves and
sweaters from knitting.
@truth machine: You are one of them for blowing this WAY, WAY out of proportion.
This newspaper is another. This shouldn't even be a story. This former
player is a person and a walkon that would never have his name in the mud if it
wasn't for the media....and furthered by the supposed controversy that is
trying to be made here by BYU fans. Everyone should just leave the kid alone
and wish him well, hoping he can get his life on track and recover from this
thing that will forever alter his life. @duckhunter: so far
I've seen references to Nai Fotu, this kid, and Blechen. Nai had a DUI.
This kid had a DUI. Blechen smoked drugs. You BYU fans can't keep your
comparisons straight. Utah played by the predetermined rules for a 2nd offender
of drug use. Blechen was suspended from games for 1/4 the season. If YOU think
he shouldn't have practiced....that is your problem but that isn't the
University or Team policy that was established BEFORE his incident. Keep trying
to twist it. Hypoctrites.
ducky- when I reap what I "sew" I get scarves or sweaters. When I reap
what I "sow" I get a garden. What about you? You are "so" smart.
ute4ever"BYU fans are killing the kid, the program, the
coach."Cite one example of a BYU fan who is "killing the
kid".Otherwise, stop making things up.
@ute4ever"Sounds a little different than a regular DUI that you
are trying to compare it to."Do you even read things before you
comment? I never tried to compare this to any other dui, don't even know
what you're talking about. Also the articles here in the paper tell us his
age, I didn't "google" anything. It really might help your cause to
actually read stuff before you make comments about them.LOL!
@stg"What's your "source" for this nugget?"Uh.....the local papers and news. You see it was reported in all of them
that blechen was allowed to practice in full during his university, not football
team, mandated game suspensions. They even ran stories on how he was qb for the
scout team during that time and how much he was helping the team. I
love you utah "fans" with your little "proof, link, evidence"
cries every time you don't know something yourselves. Of course none of you
ever post any "proof, links, evidence" either but that's different
@ DuckhunterI'm glad you have done enough research to
"know" the kid by knowing his age. I guess you really are qualified to
hand down punishment based on your google search of this kid's age. I
didn't know his age. I assumed he was young because he was a walkon
freshman that had never played. That doesn't scream 24 year old, unless
you are BYU I guess.BYU fans are killing the kid, the program, the
coach. We can try to do all the google searches possible to find out the
similarities and the differences between 2 situations, but this kid is a walkon
with questionable ability to be on the team in the first place. Next he goes
and has some kind of DUI road rage incident where someone is left unconcious in
a parking lot. Sounds a little different than a regular DUI that you are trying
to compare it to. I don't know specifics, and you don't either. Lets all stop pretending this needs to be tried in the court of fans
You guys disappoint me.
Wow, you all have a ton of time on your hands. Stats here, stats there. In the
end it comes down to doing what's best for each individual regardless of
where they play football. The whole story is sad, hopefully Afa can turn things
Duckhunter: "in fact he was allowed to practice in full the entire time he
was kept by university policy from playing in the games."What's your "source" for this nugget? Not receiving a gameplay
suspension is not the same thing as having no disciplinary action. I know you
"know people," but I know people, too, and know that this is not the way
the program is run.
Blechen didn't get any dui's from my understanding. What he did was
fail to drug tests and is a dope smoker. The criticism about his
"punishment" is that he wasn't punished at all when he failed the
1st drug test and the punishment he received for the 2nd failure was not done by
whittingham, it was a university mandated punishment from an internal policy
that requires it. whittingham and the football program did not punish blechen at
all, in fact he was allowed to practice in full the entire time he was kept by
university policy from playing in the games. Now in my opinion I
would say a dui and an assault that left a person unconcious are more serious
than the failed drug tests blechen had. I'm not even saying that blechen
got off easy. But it is interesting that whittingham and the football program
did not punish blechen at all for his failed tests. If whittingham had done
something after the first failed test then I might think differently but the
fact he did nothing is sure an interesting fact.
Ufan, it would also be nice if people stopped making up stories about what
Blechen was suspended for. Two DUI convictions would most certainly get a player
kicked off the team. He didn't have a single DUI.
StGtoSLCWho made you blog monitor?
It would be nice if Utah would explain why the punishment for Afa was so harsh
compared to the punishment Utah gave to Blechen - it seems that two DUI offenses
should be considered every bit as serious as one assault and one DUI.A 2nd DUI conviction in Utah requiresJail – 240 Hours
Minimum, or Work Service Program - 240 Hours Minimum or Home ConfinementFine - $800 MinimumLicense Suspension – 2 YearsSounds
like the state considers it a pretty serious offense.
phoenix: "If you have additional information to share about Blechen"Umm I do. He didn't have 2 DUIs, he had 2 failed program mandated
drug tests over the course of his 3 years on the team. He was never in any legal
trouble, the team imposed its own predetermined discipline for the situation on
him. Whether you think that is weak is for you to decide, but in that case the
majority of the nation is pretty weak on it because many schools, like Oregon,
have never had institutional drug testing, and others, like LSU with Tyrann
Mathieu, have let players fail up to 7 before exacting a zero-tolerance policy.
What is really pathetic is fans who cross over from sensationalizing one's
misdeeds to just plain making things up, like Blechen having DUI charges, or
Ernest T. Bass saying Van Noy had two DUI charges and questioning his high
school graduation. If you don't know, seriously just keep your mouth shut
ute4everIf you have additional information to share about Blechen
and/or Afa, feel free to share.Otherwise, we'd love to hear
your explanation why Whittingham kicked a bench warmer off the team for a fight
and a DUI, while Kyle only gave his starting LB a 3-game suspension for two
DUIs?As Duckhunter said, nobody is throwing the "kids" under
the bus, but the seemingly inconsistent actions of Utah's football program
demand an explanation.
Whether the player plays at BYU, Utah, Utah State or wherever, no one on this
baord knows the facts or anything else about any of these situations. Nor is
every BYU or Utah fan a "hypocrite". Everyone needs to relax and let
the caoch at each school take care of his players.
There is a LB in this state that had two DUIs before "graduating" from
@ute4ever1st of all the "kid" is 24, not 18. That's an
adult not a kid so perhaps it is you that actually doesn't KNOW the
"kid" or the situation? 2nd of all no one is "killing
the kid" we are criticizing the program far more. The "kid" did what
he did but it is the inconsistency of the punishments, in some cases no real
punishments at all, handed out by your coach and program that we are criticizing
more than anything else.Pretty weak, although predictable on the
part of a utah "fan", to try and distort it and make it sound as if
meanie BYU fans are "killing a kid".Also BYU fans are for
the most part the same as utah "fans". In otherwords MORMONS. The
majority of both fanbases are LDS. Why do you think that just because one LDS
person has decided to be a fan of the sports at BYU that he/she should be held
to a higher standard than the LDS that decided to be a fan of sports at utah?You see that is the hypocrisy and it comes from the "fans" of
the team in slc.
ute4everThere may be more to both stories than is being reported,
but giving a starter a relative slap on the wrist while kicking a bench warmer
off the team for similar offenses, SCREAMS inconsistency on the part of
Whittingham.It's the duty of fans and concerned obvservers to
question such seemingly blatant inconsistencies. Who do you think you're
protecting by scolding people for "making judgements", the players, or
Utah's football program?
@ phantomblade: BC did pass judgement when he said "talk about
hypocritical" then pointed the difference in the two situations. @ duckhunter: I don't care which fanbase these types of comments come
from, they are unacceptable. Personally I don't see why this should be
anyone elses business. If it were a high profile player maybe, but a news story
on a walkon who has never and will likely never play? This is poor, poor
judgement to run this article. I call BYU fans hypocritical because they preach
to each other on Sunday's about forgiveness and then come on these commnet
boards on Monday to kill an 18 year old they don't know who made a mistake.
No one knows anything about this incident on here, so back off.@sportsguy: who is sweeping this under the rug? He got kicked off the team.
Fotu (who wasn't a starter for all of you trying to paint a different
picture) was suspended. YOU DON'T KNOW the whys of either situation, so
for you to pass judgement on which program handled things right is just plain
sportyguyYou owe Bronco and KVN an apology.KVN was
forced to wait an entire year before joining the BYU football team because of
sportyguy"Yes BYU holds their players very accountable. Just
like Kyle Van Noy who got a DUI and didn't miss a single game of his
career."Next time check your facts, before spouting off.Because of the DUI, which occurred before KVN even came to BYU,
Mendenhall forced KVN to wait an entire year after graduating from HS before he
was allowed to enroll at BYU and join the football team.AN ENTIRE
YEAR for a 1st offense versus a 3-non-conference game suspension for a repeat
Yes BYU holds their players very accountable. Just like Kyle Van Noy who got a
DUI and didn't miss a single game of his career. Add to that
KVN was under aged when he got his DUI. But you're right suspending a guy
and kicking a player off the team are much less harsh than sweeping the entire
incident under the rug and letting the kid play his entire career.
VegasUtePot calling the kettle blackBYU "troll"
responses on this article pale in comparison to the Utah "troll"
responses to any similar happening at BYUDespite the whining from
the oh-so-easily-offended hill dwellers, BC didn't make any sort of
"judgement", he simply cited the differences between Whittingham's
response to both situationsIf Utah fans are uncomfortable addressing
those differences, that's not BC's problem, that's yours.btw, VegasUte - DUI's are treated harshly, not necessarily because
of the actual end result, but because of the potential for an even more serious
resultAfa left somebody unconcious. Blechen could have killed
somebody, on at least two separate occassions!
Typical - the Utah County trollers come out in DROVES to kick at the kid who is
down. Sorry state of affairs down south if this is the only thing that gets you
excited about football. We all know you have nothing to be excited about for
the future - horrible recruiting class, coaching turmoil, still
"irrelevant".BC - did you miss the part in the article where
it said the man he was fighting was left unconscious? Of course not! It was
not simply "a fight", but why let the facts get in the way of your
hatred for the U? Southies have a thing for ignoring facts.I wish
Afa well and hope that he betters himself and his life as a result of his
mistakes. I hope he takes a page out of Nai Fotu's book and surrounds
himself with positive people who will help him straighten out his life.
@ute4everGo back and read the utah "fan" comments on the
articles about Stout and Sampson getting kicked off the BYU team because of the
fight they got in a couple of months ago. You reap what you sew.
BCThank you for proving my comment correct. You think you know 2 of
the details of the situation and so you are justified on passing judgement on
the player, the coach, and the university. No 2 situations are the same, and
you DO NOT (despite your insistance that you are an expert because you read the
newspaper every day) know the hows, the whens, the whys, etc. If you knew these
coaches I'm sure you would find out that they aren't out there with
the sole purpose of winning football games. That is the biggest goal, but they
are in college and do what they do because they enjoy helping steer the lives of
these people. Honestly, I'm not even sure why this is a story.
This kid made a stupid, stupid mistake and he likely regrets it. Does anyone
REALLY care that a walkon that would never play got dimissed from the team? No.
But now every BYU fan can get on boards like this and trash the kid, the
coaches, and everyone else so they can feel better about themselves and BYU.
It's sad you get your jollies from this. I wish the kid well.
B CYou just proved the point several of us were trying to help you
with ... by comparing one kid's problem to another kids problem you left
some of the details out. The "bench warmer" didn't just get into a
fight, he also had a DUI.Care to come back online and apologize now? No
situation is the same and none of us are privy to all the details and behind the
scene activities that help coaches decide how to proceed with the player. This
is exactly why you and others need to reserve judgment. This goes equally
for Utah fans that feel the need to do the same thing when BYU kids make
ute4everTalk about hypocritical...how about a coach who
only gives his starter a slap on the wrist for his 2nd DUI, while suspending a
bench warmer for getting into a fight?
You BYU fans are so hypocritical. Preach and teach forgiveness and tolerance
but crucify a kid (freshman, so he's probably 18 years old) for a mistake
and make sure he "pays the price" set by a bunch of posters on a the
newspaper article. How about the fact that Nai Fotu (who was referred to
previously) being allowed back onto the team could have possibly saved his life.
Instead of being a person who was kicked out of football with nothing to do
except get into trouble, he was a guy allowed to play football again after
following certain rules to get back onto the field. He was around good people
with good goals and...who knows...maybe that gave him a second chance in life,
not just football. You guys should remember that these coaches DO care about
the kids too in addition to wins and losses. Maybe we should all be
a little less critical in these instances and give these kids another shot to
live up to their potential instead of impose our uninformed penalties and
crucify them in the public eye.....all without knowing most of the details.
Spare us all.
YepNo teenager/young adult should ever be given a second chance,
period.All of us are just lucky enough to either have never been
caught, be in the spotlight, or be this egregious. Obviously there is
accountability, but good grief, some of the comments on this board are off the
Do you cougar fans honestly want us to start throwing out names? Spare us
the holier than thou routine so we don't have to have another thread of
this story compared to that story, etc. Quite frankly it seems BYU has had a lot
more issues of this nature than Utah has in the past 10 years and most of them
get swept under the rug as best they can UNLESS the media gets a hold of them
and forces Bronco's hand.So again, please don't go begging for
examples, player names from either school don't need to get dragged through
the mud and every situation is unique and has circumstances that the mainstream
public doesn't always know about.
@2fer"this will have a minimal effect on the team's
production because Afa never saw the field, and he wasn't about to anytime
soon."Which tells us two things. One is he probably really is
gone for good since he didn't matter as a player. Two is that utah
"fans" definately have their priorities straight.
Another classy comment. No, Nia Fotu was suspended indefinitely and worked his
way back onto the field after meeting certain requirements set by
Whittingham.Either way, this will have a minimal effect on the
team's production because Afa never saw the field, and he wasn't about
to anytime soon.
Trevvor - Agreed. For as much as I don't like Bronco as our football
coach, the guy truly holds kids responsible, instead of hiding behind the LAME
excuse cop-out of "Give the kid another chance"Giving
someone a second chance and not holding someone accountable for their decisions
are two separate things. Similarly, I would have been disappointed in Bronco if
he had let Sampson and Stout back after one game. Even Van Noy had trouble, and
Bronco made him wait a WHOLE YEAR to join the team.
Wasn't the Ute who got a DUI a couple of years ago "dismissed
immediately" from the team when it happened? Ya know, the one who only
missed a single game, against a Division III opponent nonethless? I
expect to see the kid back by game 2, if he's needed.