Published: Monday, Jan. 7 2013 5:15 p.m. MST
Sanders is absolutely correct. Modern Hollywood has become little more than a
left-wing organization bent on destroying every traditional moral value that
forms the basis of this Country's historic greatness. Tarantino has led
this charge.Modern Hollywood has an open and stated agenda of
promoting recreational violence and recreational sex. Ideed, violence is
glorified as not ony acceptable, but absolutely desirable. Sex is also portrayed
as a purely recreational activity that should be engaged in at any time with any
person whenever the urge arrises. In addition, Hollywood would have the public
believe that the more deviant the sex is, the better it is.Sadly,
Tarantino and his ilk have swayed a large portion of the gullible public. Even
sadder still, the ignorant hordes are now immitating the attitudes and behaviors
that are portrayed in these vile and pernicious movies. It is time
for all patriotic Americans to speak up. Remaining silent will allow our society
to devolve into nothing more than violent anarchy, in which sexual deviancy
Very interesting. I simply cannot understand why so many people who should know
otherwise attend garbage movies and watch televised trash.My own
kids, who are strong LDS members, all went to see Jack Reacher. They said
afterward that its extreme violence was very disturbing. They were amazed it is
rated PG-13 and complained about that, too.When I asked why they
went to see it, their reply was that they "needed a break" and it was
the only movie available that night in Tooele. All I could do was shake my
head.I remember a time when the LDS church published lists of
recommended and not recommended movies and TV shows. Why did they stop? Was it
because of all the snide comments made around the nation? I notice that even
the Baptists no longer make similar lists.But what might happen if
our churches -- of all varieties -- would speak up -- very loudly.If
movie attendance dropped sharply, would Hollywood get the idea?Or
have Americans of all kinds simply become desensitized?
Rant rant rant. I'm done. Of course you don't need to
watch these movies you can watch cowboy and Indian films from the 30's like
John Wayne's "Stagecoach" where nobody gets killed cause it was 80
years ago and everything was pure and good then and they would never have shown
someone getting killed....If Hollywood is the source of all your
problems then YOU are watching too much TV. FOX I presume.
[more profitable, child-friendly G and PG rated]I am so tired of
hearing this sorry myth. They can be more profitable, but they are usually more
expensive, bigger risks, and massive failures. When family movies bomb, they can
destroy a studio/publisher. With R-rated movies its easier to recoup an
investment through late night TV, foreign markets, and niche viewership. They
can also be sold for longer. Family/kids movies show their age fast.Seriously, this is like the 5th or so article on the DesNews in the last few
weeks calling out Tarantino by name. He isn't even the edgiest director out
there. His movies play it safe by having bad guys kill bad guys.You
can see far more violent, sexual, and disturbing movies here every January at
Sundance. Remember, Tarantino got his start through the Sundance screenwriting
program.These movies and games are here to stay because a lot of
people like them, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.The
world is healthier and safer than its ever been, a fact that doesn't mesh
well with world views that rely on "prophecies" that it should be
Reservoir Dogs & the Vampire movie w/ Clooney were QT's best and they
were average.re: one old man 6:47 p.m. Jan. 7, 2013"My own kids, who are strong LDS members, all went to see Jack Reacher.
They said afterward that its extreme violence was very disturbing. They were
amazed it is rated PG-13 and complained about that, too."I
dislike Cruise but thought it was a great movie. The violence IMO was no any
worse than Nolan's Batman trilogy. Then, I must be one of the few where
dialogue affects me more than visual carnage.re: Screwdriver 7:37
p.m. Jan. 7I love Fox's Sunday night lineup but Wall St is a
bigger thorn in my side than Hollywood.
So, we are all about personal responsibility until it comes to what your
children are watching - then it is everyone else's responsibility to make
sure they only watch what you approve of....All those access sources
mentioned have two things in common: they are paid services and they have
parental control options. Children don't have access unless the parents
participate in providing it. It is not Brad Pitts' job to raise
your child. And G and PG movies - not such huge money makers anymore
- usually because they are so vapid parents can't stand to watch them. If you don't like what Hollywood has to offer, don't watch it
- but stop demanding they parent your child.
I'm so tired of people who deny empirical reality, and do it with an
arrogantly condescending flair. It has basically become consensus that the
"lower" the movie rating, the greater the average profitability and the
greater the likelihood of being successful, i.e. making a profit at all.
Mukkake is making claims contrary to reality. Actually, it is R rated movies
that age badly; viewership and profit figures bear this out time and again.
Don't believe me? Look it up yourself. Or look in the bargain bins at
your local Wal Mart, and then look at the full price shelves. Violent
"adult", i.e. R & PG-13, movies dominate those huge $5 or less bins,
sometimes only months after leaving theatres, and the Disney/Pixar/family movies
sit on the $10-20 shelves for years. It's not even close.And
seriously...you're trying to defend Tarantino as NOT edgy!? Well sure
there are more violent directors..."playing it safe" isn't exactly
the first words to mind of any honest Tarantino viewer, fan or not.And wanting more socially responsible movies does not equal asking "Brad
Pitt to raise our child". Did I really have to actually say that?
My secretary is taken to every violent new movie that comes out by her husband.
Years ago she would complain that she had to go with him, but now she sees
Django Unchained and says she's seen way worse - all while counseling
everyone else in the office not to subject ourselves to the horrible scenes in
the movie. I don't think it's any surprise that she's less
sweeter than she once was.
@ VoR: "... we should reframe the debate to focus on the needs of children.
... It is time to come together to consider the minds of our children.""... why don’t actors, screenwriters, directors, producers and
distributors of games and movies make the moral and economic choice to invest in
and inspire the next generation?""... I appeal to the civic
virtue of self-governance. ... the entertainment industry should redirect its
collective creative brilliance to elevating and inspiring our children to
achieve the highest ideals of humankind."Hmm - needs of
"our" children, minds of children, invest and inspire, elevate and
inspire - sounds exactly like raising children. Why is it Hollywood's
responsibility instead of the parents'?
In an era where the Hollywood elite are financing their insane lifestyles off of
productions that numb our awareness with violence, and then those same elite are
horrified with the idea of an armed citizenry ... I say, lets bootstrap controls
on the mass media with any gun control!These movies are far from
obscene and profane. The viewers are emotionally abused and assailed ... but
the firearms manufacturers are to blame when impressionable people choose to
re-enact something they saw in a movie, where as the weapons manufacturer is to
blame when a firearm is used.
Hollywood is a business.With very few exceptions, they play to the
bottom line, as most businesses do.Do you really think that movie
makers make a conscious decision to produce film A when they know film B will
make lots more money?Many believe that everything in life should be
geared to a 10 year old. I am thankful that it is not.Geez people.
Go see the movies that you want and stop ranting about movies that you
don't. It's called choice.
@voryour anecdotal experience s not the same as impiriical evidence. A
leafing through the movies at your local store gives you an idea of what that
store owner believes his local customers want and nothing more.
Adjusting for inflation, etc., the #9 highest box office grossing movie of all
time worldwide was Toy Story 3, #12 is Alixe in Wonderland (2010), #18 is Lion
King - the rest of the top 20 are pg-13 or r. That is empirical evidence.
Hollywood makes pg-13 and r rated movies because they sell - not just in the US,
but worldwide. @ Normal Guy: So your secretary has a husband who
forces her to participate in activities she doesn't enjoy instead of
respecting and honoring her and you think it is the activities that are changing
her behavior? Did you ever stop to think it may be her relationship with her
husband that is the problem, not the movies?Gladiators, bull fights,
Wild West shoot outs, sitting on the sidelines watching the battles of the Civil
War while eating a picnic lunch - humans have long had a fascination with
watching violence. Statistical evidence shows a decrease in violent crimes. This
is reality. Violent movies have not changed society for the worse.
[Violent "adult", i.e. R & PG-13, movies dominate those huge $5 or
less bins, sometimes only months after leaving theatres, and the
Disney/Pixar/family movies sit on the $10-20 shelves for years. It's not
even close.]Thank you for proving my point. Violent movies from
decades ago are the ones being manufactured, not family films. What you see in
that bargain bin is tiny portion of movies ever made and there are so many that
aren't in there.Disney keeps its films valuable by using the
"Disney Vault". They keep the supply low and the demand high. Disney
also has a lot of family films that almost killed them, and it takes them years
to recover the costs.Also, violent movies are usually the ones that
get "special editions" or "director's cuts" years later
(usually to be more violent). Even now Jurassic Park is the one getting an
expensive 3D conversion, not E.T. or Goonies. Meaning these properties are
valuable enough for reinvestment.There is no empirical reality to
"lower-rating=higher-profit". Its cause and effect. A wide release movie
looks for a wide release rating. A niche release; a niche rating.
There is no limit to the level of hipocrisy in Hollywood. And yes, inexplicably
producers and directors do make violent, sexy movies even though they know they
are less profitable because they have an agenda
Those who feel threatened and powerless in their own lives/society are at great
risk for committing violent acts. They, like the mentally ill and the
emotionally disturbed, are the humans committing these horrendous crimes. Can our society conjure up a plan to keep violent entertainment away from
these folks?Fame and fortune awaits the person with a logical, workable
I just think it is funny that Hollywood would take the position that their
violence in films has no effect on human behavior. If that were true then why
do they promote political candidates with the hope that their media influence
would cause someone to vote for the candidate (usually Democrat) that they want
JCS is sometimes correct in what he posts here, but his obsessive hatred and
fear of the ephemeral ghosts of "liberals" that haunt his dreams destroy
any validity to what he has to offer.In reality, it is not just
those "liberals" (whatever that might be) that contribute violence to
our society. I must ask if he has stopped to consider that the supposedly
"conservative" FOX network constantly features some of the most raunchy
and violent TV that pours into our homes.And it certainly is not
"liberals" who are constantly telling us we need more guns.With all due respect, JCS needs to learn to look at things from more than just
one very narrow and obsessive viewpoint.
Seldom have a I read such a well-written and well-conceived editorial.
Why is it that saying Hollywood has moral responsibilities somehow magically
becomes “parents want to abandon their responsibilities”? I know
this is a shocker, but responsible parents don’t want to abandon their
children to Hollywood, but they ALSO want Hollywood to be more responsible.
Can't we pretty please have both?George, it’s one
anecdotal experience in support of, not in place of, the overwhelming empirical
consensus. Here’s two studies I found in about 30 seconds online, more
time would yield others:“Film Profitability Study 2012”,
The Dove Foundation, 2012 (updated annually, widely considered the industry
benchmark on the subject & quoted by safely liberal entities everywhere)And since some minds may not have enough room for anything but
liberal/progressive sources:Sundaram, Sridhar (2006)
"Profitability Study of MPAA Rated Movies," Seidman Business ReviewAnd actually, here are the REAL top 20 grossing movies’ ratings of
all time, adjusted for inflation:7 G9 PG3 PG-13And
exactly one R (The Exorcist)This ground has already been plowed,
people. R-rated movies just aren’t nearly as historically profitable as
G, PG or PG-13 movies.
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