Chris – sometimes I think you’re a frustrated BYU fan.Being a BYU fan who is not an active LDS church member, I too am sometimes
annoyed by BYU’s concern with “Sunday school boys” as opposed
to true athletes as you put it. But, the bottom line is BYU is a church run
school subsidized in large part in tithing dollars. As a result, there is going
to be a hefty dose of Mormonism at all corners. I don’t necessarily like
it either but, as long as the LDS church is shoveling $ in the direction of BYU,
they will call the shots and there’s no amount of complaining any of us
can do to change that.Regarding Holmoe and the Pac 12, for much the
same reason stated above BYU is a very unlikely member of the Pac 12 no matter
what they do or bring to the table from a fan base / financial perspective.
I’d encourage you to enjoy the Utes new conference and BYU for the fact
that you can now see basically all of their major sporting events on national
@U90, I too would be an angry inconsistent bitter person if I was stuck in
The reason fans at other schools often don't know their OC is because they
are not fully invested.
Not exactly sure what Harmon is trying to accomplish other than riling up the
ant pile. I hope that Anae works out and BYU can have a strong season next
year. If the offense stumbles next year as much as it did this year, we're
in for a long season.
I think too much attention is paid to tweeners like Chris B. When I see that
name on a post, I skip it as I know there is nothing worth my time in that post.
I did see a lot of replies to Chris B which is sad as I think that is Chris
B's whole purpose in life, is to seek attention. As any child knows the
easiest way to get attention is to misbehave!Sorry, I know I just
paid attention to Chris B, but I just had to say this once!
@U90"Just keep trying to convince yourselves that Utah's
primary objective is to beat BYU..."No need for convincing; the
evidence is overwhelming - beating BYU has been THE DOMINANT accomplishment
cited by Utah fans for the last two years.During Utah's tenure
in the PAC 12, losing to Colorado, losing to Utah State, finishing with a losing
record, not being ranked, not going to a bowl, not beating a single PAC 12 team
with a winning record, have been completely overshadowed by Utah winning a
couple of games against BYU.
U 90BYU finished 1994 ranked #10 in the Coaches poll, the ONLY poll
that Utah fans ever cite when talking about Utah's Top 25 finishes.For example, where did Utah finish in 2008?If you say only
one place higher than BYU finished in 1996, I'll buy your #18 ranking for
BYU in 1994.Otherwise, show some consistency.
CordonBleu, That's a nice argument but since BYU finished 1994 as the #18
ranked in the final AP poll it wouldn't qualify as one of Utah's
marquee wins.Christine B, no the 2012 win over BYU was not a marquee
win. You're confusing marquee with beating a team 3 times in one day. Just keep trying to convince yourselves that Utah's primary
objective is to beat BYU... which is a joke considering Utah has owned the Y and
the two teams aren't even in the same league anymore.
Anae came back because BYU offered the OC position and twice the money he was
making. He knows very well that he is much more likely to land a head coaching
offer as a coordinator than he is as a position coach. Anae has worked for two
of the most innovative offensive minds in football in Mike Leach and Rich
Rodriguez, and his hire is a great move on BYU's part. In addition
they're getting one of the best offensive line coaches in the country.
Solid hire by any measure.
U90, don't we have to consider 2012's win against BYU marquee? What
other game in our history have we stormed the field, not once but three times,
almost costing our team one of our rare D1 wins? Certainly that should make the
list of our marquee victories! Any time we win our only bowl game of the season
in September I count it as a marquee win.
It's pretty clear that none of us commenting on this article have the
intelligence, input or authority to to make any coaching decision at any level
of any college. Good luck to those who do!
Chris B does actually make a semi-reasonable post. Except when he criticizes
Holmoe for not getting into the pac12. The pac 12 leadership, being berkenstock
bigots, simply will not admit a religious institution. Holmoe can't do
anything about that.
"in that same time-frame BYU and their "national brand" has only
managed to sell out LES three times. What do those trends tell you?"Tells me BYU is always on national TV.
Can someone describe the perspective that Dick Harmon approaches these articles
with? Every journalist has a perspective. His comment "a BYU Kool-Aid
drinker" in describing Doman made me wonder. Do you think he is objective
and fair, or has an ax to grind?
This hire, or re-hire, of Anae is truly bind-boggling. BYU fans couldn't
get rid of him fast enough two years ago. Then, after the offense struggles,
Bronco decides to hire him back again? I'm not sure why Bronco would want
him back, or, for that matter, why Anae would even want to come back. Has Anae
suddenly become the next Bill Walsh?
Executorloh, "Dick Harmon must really love BYU to take on such a
thankless role of writing for BYU fans that detest his articles." Name one.
Sorry that Doman had to go. I don't think it was all him, but rather him
reacting to the talent he had. I loved Riley: his grit, his willingness to
sacrifice everything to win. But he wasn't a true QB: I thought of him as
more of a running back that could throw. He'd have tore it up as an RB. But
the problems with the OL were the real problems this year with the offense. They
couldn't keep anybody about of there, and it is hard to be good when you
don't have time for a play to develop. If the Cougars can get a
healthy, heavy OL, things will come along. Looking forward to next season
already since KVN is coming back. I hope the D is just as strong as this year,
and perhaps with an offense that socres more than 10 points/game we can actually
win more games.Also, I LOVE that we are independent! It gives BYU a
lot of flexibility.
This article left out one obvious fact, one that makes the article less than
newsworthy. The coaches of any large fan-based team, at any level (from little
league to the NFL) will be subject to a barrage of criticism from armchair
players who ("uncle Ricco-like") relive their high school glory years
(real or make-believe) and take aim at coaches when things go wrong (or just not
right enough). It is a gutsy move to come back to a school where you were once
maligned and take back the same job you had then. Thanks for your courage,
Robert! Anae clearly loves BYU and his loyalty to the school and the football
program motivated him to come back and subject himself to the ongoing babbling
that greases the comment pages in the press, including my babbling, which is now
This Sunday School boy welcomes Anae back, he had some great years here at BYU
and helped two quarterbacks make NFL teams, hard to argue with that. Anae's offense bacame stale towards the end, but it is an improvement
either way you look at it. Doman is a fine man and I hope he stays on staff,
but he definately was in over his head this season, the offense couldn't
score a td to save it's life against any decent competition. Here's to a new future at BYU. GO COUGS!
The Utah TROLLS love to talk about beating the Y, even if that's their only
win each year. They'll be the "whipping boy" in the PAC forever.
No way will they EVER win a championship. Never. Ever.So what did
they accomplish by joining?Then, they turned their back on their
biggest rival to concentrate on lowball teams.Shame.
U 90Actually, since your marguee ranking is obviously based mostly
on final ranking, Utah's win over 10th ranked BYU in 1994 would be a bigger
win than all but yourwin over 6th ranked Alabama.Creating the list
is really an exercise in futility anyway, since Utah fans are so totally
obsessed with BYU, that wins versus others teams are already forgotten after the
Seriously, have you never lived anywhere else? Sport coaches always have plenty
of critics (and supporters), not just at BYU. There is a reason we see coaching
carousels all over the country, and we have phrases like "nobody is more
popular than the back-up QB." You seem to think BYU is different somehow.
Sure, it would be nice if all Cougar fans were above the fray, but we're
talking football here. If you don't have some "fanatics" following
the program, then you have a program in deep trouble.
Anae is just what BYU needs. An experienced, tough OC to go with their
experienced, tough HC and DC.I'm liking it.
@ Alta HawkMy point when so far over your head it's
unbelievable. I disputed the claim that Utah has a band wagon fan base with the
fact that RES has sold out three straight seasons, despite Utah struggling in
two of those seasons. Btw, in that same time-frame BYU and their "national
brand" has only managed to sell out LES three times. What do those trends
Did Anae and Reynolds get along? Just trying to figure out why he would come
I have been thinking the same thing the last few days relative to Anae and his
apparent love of BYU. That said, don't be surprised if he is head coach if
Bronco steps aside in the near future.
Old NavyProvo, UT"Not too long ago, BYU would handle
USU...those days are gone!"Actually, those days are still here
for BYU, but not Utah. But, and it pains me to say it, you can still
storm the field and very nearly hand the game to your rival. At least until
Hey, Dick. Give it a rest. Most fans are not idiots, as you describe them.
Should we be "Stepford" fans and paste on a smile and cheer reverently
for the Cougs, no matter the quality of their play? Most fans I know are smart,
reasonable, and don't get too carried away in either their praise or their
criticism. Some of the fans on these comment boards are exceptions. These guys
who coach are well paid and get to be involved in a game they love. They all
know what they're in for. They're grownups and don't need
protection.Go Cougs. Welcome, Coach Anae!
If you remember correctly most of the offensive were either freshmen or
sophomores so i suspect there will be a vast improvement next season,many
of the experienced starters from lat year got hurt in spring drills.
The nerve of the unwashed masses! To even think of questioning the competency of
coaching decisions at BYU! How dare they voice their displeasure
after watching one of the best defenses in school history get thrown under the
bus by one of the worst offenses in school history.How dare they
assume to know anything about the game of football from any perspective other
than couch potato, little league parent, or wannabe.How dare they
question the idea of putting a "free safety" under center, after
watching him throw duck after inaccurate duck and pick six after pick six, which
directly accounted to the point differential for at least 3 of the 5 losses.How dare they feel passion for their alma mater or take pride in their
football team and voice their opinions; right or wrong, omnicient or
oblivious.Shame, shame, on those clueless, indolent, ignoble, BYU
fans for giving a flying crap.
re: Two For FlinchingAre you sure that's a whole 18 games ?
That's a mighty long history of sellouts for your smallish stadium. LOL
Y Fans must really love BYU to continue to care less about BYU football.
I apologize. I to, am now a troll from the state of Utah.
I'm a Sunday school boy and proud of it. Great article that has been
tortured by people hiding behind closed doors from both sides ridiculing each
other with words you wouldn't say to the other in front of your mother.
I'd rather be a Sunday school boy than a troll ( I believe that is the
name we call each other in this state that represents so much) bagging on each
others affiliation. Peace my friends and may all the schools in Utah rise to
Chow, Crowton, and now Doman. The career of the first two after leaving BYU
might make some of us wonder how good they really are/were. Blame the fans if
you want, but the problem is still lack of creatativity in the offense(something
you must do if you are a notch below on talent) and failure to sign the very top
LDS talent instead of the Riley Nelson type walk-0ns. We need a proven OC.
Coach Anae is not that, but he does have experience and I assume he will really
be motivated. I'm willing to give him a second chance. If he fails,we
can always bring back Doman.
@ NotFromUTI disagree. I don't know a single Ute fan who would
take a W over BYU over a Pac-12 title and guaranteed Rose Bowl berth.
You're making outlandish claims in place of substance.Also if
Utah is a mediocre team with a mediocre future, why has RES sold out 18 straight
games? If most of our fans are band wagon jumpers we wouldn't be seeing
those kind of numbers.
Tom in CA,The Miami win was impressive, however beating a Pitt team
that finished unranked at 3-7-1, not so much. Beating an SMU team that finished
the year 8-4 in a mid tier bowl is okay.... I guess. Aren't there more
impressive wins over quality teams than the ones you called out?
BYU's biggest loss to graduation is easily Stephenson. They have several
LB's graduating (like Ogletree), but I think we are pretty deep there and
should be fine next year. I think defense will be fine. Skilled offense should
be fine. Only question marks in my mind are O-line and DBs.
Like LaVell Edwards said many years ago to Paul James after another great
season. "Paul, there's only two types of coaches, those who have been
fired and those who are going to get fired."I'm sure it
wasn't original with LaVell, but in most cases (except LaVell), it's
true.Coaches have to be at least half masochistic.Put
all the money on the table that there is nowadays, and you have the makings of a
few winners (very few) and lots of losers.There's not much
sport in it anymore and there's a heckava lot of self-inflicted pain even
for those who do it for the love of sport but are caught in a truly un-winable
and vicious scrum.
Dick Harmon must really love BYU to take on such a thankless role of writing for
BYU fans that detest his articles.
Anything would be an improvement of BYU's pathetic offense as evidenced by
such fantastic scores of 6-7 BSU and 6-3 USU. Not too long ago, BYU would
handle USU...those days are gone!
I hope we have good recruits coming in & players returning from missions who
can step in and help our team next season. With 21 seniors graduating looks like
there will be lots of positions to fill. Bronco has shown he can have our
defensive side ready. Now we need Anae to do the same with our offense, esp.
given the fact that we've got a challenging schedule with the likes of
Texas, ND, Boise State, Wisconsin, Virginia as well our in state rivals. Go
To: U 90...The Utah wins you listed should be the U's marguee
wins. But since you're from California, it's obvious you don't
understand the local U trolls. They believe beating BYU is the only thing that
will make or break their season. In their blogs, they NEVER talk or brag about
those very notable wins you listed. It's always about their latest win over
the Y and basically nothing else except a little bit of unwarranted Y criticism
thrown in. And yes, it is pretty sad. But that's the way it is... the way
they are... and their only apparent way of defining success. It's no big
deal to them that they couldn't even qualify for any bowl game this year...
only that they got that w against BYU. Though that seems quite narrow and sad to
everyone else, you've got to consider the source(s).
panama,I wouldn't call beating BYU a marquee win, I would just
call it a guaranteed win.
I think being asked to return to BYU after being shown the door was just too
tempting to pass up. The last time someone had this big of a "last
laugh," he was holding up a copy of the Chicago Tribune with a headline that
read "Dewey Defeats Truman."
U 90 -Wow - now make a list of BYU marquee wins. You can start with
the SMU pony express, then Pitt, and work forward to Miami when they were ranked
1st, etc., etc., etc.
Welcome back and Good Luck! Coach Anae
If BYU can get their offensive line problems corrected in 2013, watch out! With
2 probable NFL draft picks coming back, along with the injured QB, the offense
should be great. Go BYU!
@ U 90: Wasn't one of your 5 wins this year against BYU? That would have
to be one of your best wins of the year, right?
OC at BYU is only a thankless role if you don't produce. If you do...hero
@not from utahspeak for yourself pal... and chris B
leave the church leaders out of it... and stop associating yourself with the U
cause you can be pretty embarrassing. Let's Have a winning record before
we start predicting rose bowls... no way to get around the fact that it might
take longer than we all anticipated to get the program up PAC competition. Go Utes!
NotFromUtah sums it up about right, comparing BYU and Utah fans. Utah (so
called) fans on these BYU articles are expected since there is nothing to report
on the Utah articles, nor are there very many BYU fans reporting on them. I
wonder why. As one blogger said, Utah trolls care more for criticizing BYU, its
coaches, and its owner (LDS Church) than they do trying to build up interest for
their own team.
Ernest T Bass and Counter Intelligance - I concur. @Ernest: Look at the
article "Anae's 10 best wins at BYU". These were awsome wins!
Let's go for 13 in a row just like those in 2013.
"It's always nice knowing you will forever consider your marquee win is
v. BYU." -- Tom in CAThat's weird Tom, because when I
look at some of Utah's marquee wins, BYU is not one of them:1- #4
Alabama (Sugar Bowl)2- #20 Pitt (Fiesta Bowl)3- #11 TCU4- Rose
bowl bound Oregon who finished the year #125- #12 Colorado State6-
#15 Arizona (Freedom Bowl)
Lincoln Coug, I agree wholeheartedly.
"Being the offensive coordinator at BYU may just be one of the most
thankless jobs in college football.... You will always do it with a limited
recruiting base." -- Dick HarmonIs Dick agreeing with Chris B.
Harmon needs to get out of Utah more. OC's, DC's, HC's are always
on the hook. It's no different anywhere else. Case in point, Johnson is
already feeling the heat at Utah. One thing for sure, the majority, by a long
shot, of Y fans are excited for Anae's return. In fact there may no be
another university that would welcome a former coach back like BYU.BYU is a great university with a lot to offer with high expectations. Nothing
wrong with that.
The problem for most fans is that they're improperly obsessed with their
team winning at all costs. Yet, there is nothing for the fan to win. We support
our teams because they represent us in some strange way. Far more important is
that we should support sport because it helps reveal character. It isn't
the wins or losses that matter, but watching players overcome the internal and
external struggle that they face. Sport is fantastic because it allows the
participants to face great battles in an "artificial" environment.
Football is essentially artificial war. It takes soldiers (players) and
commanders (coaches and support staff) working against a common enemy (insert
your rival here). However, it isn't a real battle. The referees and
sanctioning bodies work to control the damage. After the game the players should
all go our various ways peacefully. We should all do the same and congratulate
each other for each team's gains and losses and support each other in our
trials. When our teams meet against each other, yes we should want our team to
win, but this is secondary. What matters is character. Robert Anae is a man of
character. Are you?
Off Topic.I grew up on the Southwest Conference (Dallas). When I
moved to Utah in 82, I QUICKLY noticed 2 things. 1, the stadium at
Utah was only 1/2 full - except for the BYU game. They seemed to give away more
tickets via promotions than they sold. Where were all the Utah fans then? As an
outsider I can honestly say most of today's U fans can easily qualify as
Band Wagon Jumpers. Do you want to talk rivalry? Lets go hang out in
Dallas the week of the UT / OU game.....#2, if it came down to a
choice between beating BYU or winning the conference, the majority of U fans
would opt for beating BYU. What a sad state of mind to be locked into. Sadly,
many fans are still in that mode today.I have seen more long-term Y
fans since moving here than U can even dream of.@Riddles is right
about U success in the "12Pack". Long term they will mostly likely be
mediocre and get mediocre bowl invitations. Any substantial improvement over
that will probably take decades to accomplish. (If it is ever accomplished at
" ..... because your church leaders would rather BYU be filled with sunday
school boys than true athletes.... "Pretty much sums up the utah
basketball team. And the utah football team isn't far behind. It's
always nice knowing you will forever consider your marquee win is v. BYU.
Chris BCall us the first time Utah outrecruits USC.It's laughable how inconsitent U are.Beating your chest about
the Utes playing in the Rose Bowl soon, while completely ignoring the fact that
Utah's recruiting pales in comparison to USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford and
other PAC 12 schools.Top 40 recruiting classes for 2013#5 USC,
#19 Washington, #20 UCLA, #22 Oregon, #26 California, #37 Arizona, and #38
StanfordUSC has FIFTEEN 4-star recruits out of 15 total commits.Utah has ONE 4-star recruit out of 27 commits.It's quite
obvious that the PAC 12 added Utah as cannon fodder for the big boys of the
conference to pad their conference records. The Utes will never be anything more
than a conference bottom dweller, but I'm sure that Washington State and
Colorado appreciate the company.btw, half of Utah's roster is
filled with "Sunday School" boys
Why are you singling out BYU? You just described any college with a huge fan
base. I guess that's why you couldn't have written this article about
any other Utah based school.
I must agree with Counter Intelligence, you Ute trolls are very sad folks and I
feel sorry for you. Chris B, or B for short, you are simply amazing. Nobody
can complain like this B can.I welcome Anae back and wish him
@ekuteYou are a "ute" commenting on a BYU story; ergo - you
are a troll praising a troll.Its a double negative; indicating that trolls
are more driven by their hatred of BYU, rather than love for their own
school.Shouldn't you be embarrassed by that?And doubly
embarrassed for using football as a substitute for being angry about "church
Crowton won a national title at LSU after leaving Provo. That should be on a
billboard in Utah County. Anae will probably be future head coach.
The OC's job all comes down to the talent he has to work with. Average
talent will produce average or worse results. Exceptional talent (Oregon)
produces exceptional results.It's when an OC has average, or
worse, talent that they are labeled by fans as being predictable. If an OC tries
to change up the play calling without great results they are labeled as not
having an identity. The OC, particularly at byu, is a thankless task. Look
no further than Norm Chow, a great offensive mind, who was run out of Provo.
Yeah, right, I am going to be angry at the church for what goes on in BYU
football...get a grip on life people!!
There are still lots of BYU alumni who would love to coach in Provo. Anae
deserves kudos for not turning into another turncoat, but the Cougar football
program with lots of returning stars (Hoffman, Hill, Williams, Alisa, Van Noy
and company) is not a bad place to be right now. This is a little like when
Crowton came to BYU. His plate was already set for an outstanding season.
If I were a Utah fan, I wouldn't being saying ANYTHING!
"It simply would not be worth it, if it were not about more than just
football" -- Bronco Mendenhall. Apparently, Robert Anae feels the same way.
@Jeff 29,I would think you would understand the difference between
getting 1 great recruit and getting dozens of them.You think teams
that have been to BCS games(see Alabama, TCU, Utah, Boise, Florida, LSU) get
there with 1 great athlete?Sorry - all those teams mentioned above
sent SEVERAL guys to the NFL.My point remains. If you can't
get enough true "athletes" like the teams mentioned above, you'll
never be worth mentioning in the same sentence as them.Unless, of
course, that sentence went something like this:"byu lost to
Utah, TCU, and Boise" for the fourth year in a row"
@Chris B Love your posts, and the responses from the bYu trolls are
enternaining. Keep up the good work. Go Utes!
There is nothing more sure than death, taxes, and chrissy b being the first to
post a comment on a BYU article.
To Chris B and the rest of the trolls, You know full well that the
"Just Win" mentality doesn't exist at BYU. BYU can perform at a
high level without sacrificing high standards. Still, I expect more from the
fanbase, which can be downright embarrassing at times. When everybody else in
the country wants us to fail we need to circle the wagons instead of looking for
I think there is something that is not being spoken that lured Anae back to
Provo. My personal belief is that Bronco only plans to stay through the end of
his contract, next year. He opted not to take a long term contract. I think
he's a man of his word, and wouldn't leave before his contract was
finished. Anae had to be courted with the idea that he would be a more viable
HC candidate if he were the offensive coordinator.
And thus is life in college football in the great state of Utah, particularly
Utah County. I challenge any reader to list OC's off the top of their head
at SDSU, USC, UCLA, CAL or Stanford. I know I can't, and I attended SDSU
and USC. It never seases to amaze me the interest in the Cougs offensive
OC's- and I'm among them. I guess the readers comment to what's
printed in this paper. Interesting that Harmon states how Edwards was
"untouchable". Indeed he was. But, Bronco is pretty
"untouchable" as well from any cristicsm by the DN sports writers. When
that's the case, the attention of the readers then go to the next in the
chain. I hope Anae turns this offense around. We all know it needs turning!
@Chris BYou actually made a reasonable and logical post until you
decided you needed to get your obligatory dig in about BYU athletes v. school
boys, etc. In sentence 2 you talk about BYU having the #1 recruit in the
nation, and follow that up in sentence 4 by essentially saying that BYU
BYU fans need to learn to re-direct their embarrassment and anger to Bronco,
Homloe, and ultimatley your church leaders.Bronco is the one who
couldnt handle the #1 recruit in the nation, when "QB U" seemed like a
perfect fit.Holmoe can't get you into the Pac 12.And you'll forever struggle against "athletes" because your
church leaders would rather BYU be filled with sunday school boys than true
athletes.Give Doman and Anae a break.They don't
deserve the thankless treatment they've received.