Does anyone understand that BYU's head coach also needs to go. The decision
process in a number of games cost them this year and that responsibility falls
on the HC. This team needs a fresh start with a fresh set of eyes. Why will the
AD not make the real changes that are needed?
In otherwords naval vet was either banned or suspended for awhile. No surprise.
sammyg and toosmartforU:If you want an explanation, you'll have
to ask me from a different forum. The DNews won't permit me to do so here.
Naval VetI've noticed that you have yet to explain your absence
last fall when the Utes needed you the most. When Brian needed you, you were
gone for those several weeks of miserable PAC10.2 losses.And now
you're here defending Brian when you abandoned him. Confusing signals from
an avid Ute "fan".Please explain.
Interesting that anyone that has a different opinion than Naval Vet gets
labelled by him as being "frantic and emotional." Since he uses those
terms so often one is left to postulate if he really knows what they mean. I
guess the favorite term of "irrelevant" got to be too old, particularly
since it wasn't true anyway.He and Chris B. could start a
business together about how everything in the universe is "Utah" and
"nothing else matters."
Downtownchrisbrown:Taysom Hill signed with Stanford back in 2009 and
redshirted. In 2010 and 2011, he was on his mission. In 2012, he was a 21-yr
old REDSHIRT Freshman. Not a TRUE Freshman.
Naval Vet - Taysom Hill is a TRUE freshman too
this article is just plain ridiculous. Whitt is not a knee jerk reaction type
of guy. If he was, he would have gone to BYU after his father got fired, he
would have taken the BYU head coaching job instead of the Utah one, he would
have yanked Wynn long ago, he would have taken the Tennessee coaching job...
The list goes on and on. The man has integrity, he will not can Johnson for at
least 2 more seasons (unless this next one is a complete and total disaster).
Johnson will get better this year, he improved greatly this last year, and he
will continue to do so. Have patience people!
@gdog3"Kyle's choice of QBs and OCs has been his biggest flaw as
head coach"Throw in the mistake of promoting Sitake to DC and
Kyle has blown his 3 biggest decisions. He was lucky to find Norm Chow available
last year and having him as the OC saved his bacon when Wynn went down for the
season. If Chow hadn't been able to rescue the offense and cobble together
a scheme to hide Jon Hays deficiencies and allow the defense to win them games
utah would've had a losing season their first 2 yrs in the Pac 12. Kyle owes Chow a big fat thank you for extending his career at utah.
Whitt's next stop likely will be Weber St after another bad season.
@ sammygWe can't wait to hear your stories from Colorado,
please don't keep us waiting too long ok?By the way, did they
happen to mention anything about the game played this past season? Or did they
only want to talk about the previous game?Seriously, your comment
read like that of a 14 year old school girl.
Duckhunter"@motorbike - I know some people, I doubt you know
anyone. whittingham wanted chow out of there and had absolutely no regrets when
he left."__________Your bluff has been called! Not only do
I know people but those people are family employed by the U and VERY involved
with the football program. So you either need to quit lying or find new
"people" to trust. You're right about one thing, Chow is not
an easy man to work with. But Whittingham absolutely wished Chow would have
stayed and mentored other coaches for at least another year if not 3 or 4.Get new sources my friend.
I'm in Colorado all this month and I'll have some direct quotes about
how these Buff fans feel about beating Utah last year. This will be so fun to
share with all my "friends".After that fiasco Whit had to be
furious with Chow and that position in Hawaii was heaven sent and Fedex'd
to both Whit and Chow. Getting rid of Brian won't be nearly as difficult
nor will it require 'divine' intervention. Simply give him a lesser
position and he'll be happy to stay.So I think it's
hilarious that the question that Brian is on the chopping block now and Utes
could be going through coaching changes almost as often as their basketball
program.The kids on 'the hill' are in full panic and spin
mode. So funny.
@motorbikeI know some people, I doubt you know anyone. whittingham
wanted chow out of there and had absolutely no regrets when he left. chow is not
an easy man to get along with and whittingham does not like assistants with
minds and wills of their own. Believe what you want, I know differently.
@atireddudeActually you trade a 1-3 record (wash/cal the last 2
seasons)for oregon and stanford, an almost guaranteed 0-4 over the next 2 years.
So you're correct, only 1 more total loss.
@Sounds right..No, it's not two more losses. Remedial math. We
trade a 1-1 record (Wash/Cal) for Oregon & Stanford. That's not two
more losses any way you slice it.
54-IQ"...and yet Johnson still had enough offense to beat the
mighty Cougs"As usual, our little friends on the hill are so
totally obsessed with BYU, that nothing else matters:- losing season
- who cares, we beat BYU- unranked - we're hardly ever ranked anyway,
but we beat BYU- no bowl - BYU is once again our bowl- no conference
championships - we've only won 6 in the last 60 years, it's not
something we do- recruiting - it doesn't matter if most of the PAC
outrecruits us, we think we did better than BYU- 100th ranked passing
offense - we beat BYU- 93rd ranked rushing offense - we beat BYU-
76th ranked scoring offense - we beat BYU- 105th ranked total offense - we
beat BYU2011 BYU(10-3) ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked2012
BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowlWhy do the Utes even
bother playing a 12-game schedule, when it's obvious that the only game
that matters to them is the BYU game?
@ Duckhunter...That thing you speak of that everyone has, quit
acting like one. Your presence to just create contention has yet again gotten
the better of you. Making up statements to create an argument, why? Both teams
need OC or their OCs (prior to Doman's change) need more mentoring to
become better at their respective roles. Go UTES!
...and yet Johnson still had enough offense to beat the mighty Cougs.
Henry Drummond"Brian Johnson inherited an injury prone
quarterback and did a great job under the circumstances."Great
job? How so? Utah had one of the worst offenses in the NCAA last year."Meanwhile Brandon Doman inherited the top Quarterback recruit in the
nation and squandered the opportunity."Correction, Brandon
didn't inherit Heaps, he recruited him; just like he recrruited Taysom Hill
and Tanner Mangum. Brandon just managed Heaps poorly and was in over his head as
an OC.On the other hand, the reason BJ inherited an injury-prone QB,
was because Whitless converted all of his QB prospects to defense and left his
QB cupboard bare.
Duckhunter:"Ditto for the attempt to make it appear as if ludwig
left for a better postion,...but that isn't why he left. He was run out of
town by whittingham..."Here is Ludwig's coaching career as
an Offensive Coordinator:1998-2001: (4-yrs): Fresno State2002-2004: (3-yrs): Oregon2005-2008: (4-yrs): Utah2009-2010:
(2-yrs): California2011-2012: (2-yrs): San Diego St.2013-____:
(0-yrs): WisconsinSeems to me Ludwig's 4-yrs at Fresno St. and
Utah demonstrated is longest coaching tenure. "Knee jerk"???Doesn't look that way...
@ DuckhunterI can look the other way on a few of your GUESSES as to
what happened with Utah O Coordinators, but this comment pretty much stole any
credibility you might have had:"Chow was only not forced out
because he actually got a job offer, if not he was gone anyway. There were
plenty of accounts that whittingham had buyers remorse with that guy, you trying
to pretend it was all about a promotion is funny though."This is
quite simply the furthest thing from the truth and literally made me laugh out
loud ... not just your typical lol ... as you're so fond of ... I mean I
really laughed out loud. Come on man, you're better than that.
Duckhunter:"There were plenty of accounts that whittingham had
buyers remorse with that [Chow]..."Did you frantically and
emotionally make that up? Please provide the Google search engine keywords to
verify Whittingham's desire to dump Chow. Roderick and Schramm
weren't very good OCs. Replacing them with Chow wasn't a
"knee-jerk" reaction. It was a "no-brainer". Can you think of
a single head coach in the FBS ranks that would pass on Chow as their OC in
favor of either of those two? I can't. Chow became available, and
Whittingham was in the right place at the right time. If Whit had been actively
recruiting other OCs at the time he snagged Norm, who were they? If he
wasn't, then you can't conclude Whittingham seeking out other OC
candidates was "proof" of anything.My post never said
Roderick/Schramm were great OCs. I only said they were demoted to make room for
Chow. And my point to AltaHawkFan was that Whittingham was NOT a "knee jerk
type of guy". If you want to argue my points, try picking one. You're
a true disciple of strawman argumentation.
@naval lint Excuses are like.....well let's just say everyone
has one. roderick and schramm, who were in a weird "co" coordinator
situation to begin with, got demoted because they weren't good enough. The
fact whittingham went looking for someone to replace them is proof enough. If
they had actually been any good he wouldn't have felt the need to pursue
chow. chow was only not forced out because he actually got a job
offer, if not he was gone anyway. There were plenty of accounts that whittingham
had buyers remorse with that guy, you trying to pretend it was all about a
promotion is funny though.Ditto for the attempt to make it appear as
if ludwig left for a better postion, of course it was a better position but that
isn't why he left. He was run out of town by whittingham amid massive
criticism from utah "fans" and mediocre results. The fact is
that whittingham does not like anything more than yes men on his staff.
AltaHawkFan:The reason why the Utes have had 5 OCs over the past
5-yrs is because...(1) One left to become a Head Coach
(Hawai'i). A Head Coaching position is considered a step up from a
Coordinator's position. Chow was not asked to leave the program.(2) Two were demoted to previous position coaching positions in order to make
room for Norm Chow (see above).(3) One left to take lateral position
in a BCS league. Back in 2008, Utah was a mid-major, so from a professional
coaching standpoint, it was still a step up.(4) One is still the
O.C. at Utah.None of those coaches were forced out of Utah, and
replacing Roderick/Schramm for Chow is a move any Head Coach would have done
given the opportunity to do so.Did you REALLY not know the answer to
CougFaninTX:"So many at BYU wanted Detmer as OC, but he is just
as big of a risk as Doman."I disagree. Detmer has a lot more
experience in the Xs and Os than Doman. Detmer had more playing time while at
the Y, and lasted longer in the NFL -- where he spent a lot of time tutoring
more talented QBs. Honestly, I don't know why Ty would prefer to coach a
high school team than his alma mater, but I believe Detmer would have made a far
better O.C. than Doman. I think Anae would be better than Doman too.
The problem wasn't play calling, the problem was lack of talent on the
O-line and QB. The offense would have shined if those two positions had better
re: reasonableuteIf kyle is not a 'knee jerk type of guy'
then why have the utes had 5 different OC's the past 5 yrs ?
Johnson will get at least one more year, maybe two. If the offense doesn't
improve next year, I expect he'll feel the heat.It's
always a gamble with a new OC. Oregon gambled with Kelly and won. Bronco
gambled with Doman and lost. The odds are against Johnson being successful,
espcially with so little experience. But it's hard to judge him based on
this year with the QB situation.A great player does not always
translate into a great coach. So many at BYU wanted Detmer as OC, but he is
just as big of a risk as Doman. Anae is not a home run (forgive the baseball
analogy), but he is a solid double which is better than we've been getting.
Hey Coach Whit, good luck this year. If you do not bring in a new
OC, then please please give Brian some support and training/education from
someone who is more seasoned than Brian. I think Brian has great potential but
he just doesn't have the experience needed. Also, Sitake needs to become
more cleaver with his schemes, this isn't the MWC where you had the luxery
of speed and size, the PAC has speed and size too. Hire me as a consultant :) I
would increase the speed like Oregon on Offense and ratchet down the D like
Alabama/Notre Dame/Stanford...GO Utes!!
Does Utedom honestly believe that BJ is capable of being an effective OC
coaching against the likes of Kelly, Kiffin, Leach, Sarkisian, Rodriguez, Riley,
Shaw and Mora?Utah fans are only fooling themselves if they think a
25-yo with hardly any coaching experience is capable of competing head-to-head
against much better coaches with much more experience, and, in most cases, much
better talent.How many more losing, bowl-less seasons will Kyle and
Utah fans be willing to accept while BJ is learning? One more? Two more? Three
Kyle is not a knee jerk reaction type of guy... If he was he would have left
Utah for BYU after his father got fired. He would have taken the Tennessee job,
he would have benched Wynn a LONG time ago. He will be patient with Brian, as
should we. This article was ridiculous and completely unfounded in reality.
I wasn't a big fan of promoting a 25-yr old QB coach to O.C. after only
2-yrs coaching, but I don't see Utah making any changes at the O.C. spot
this offseason. Johnson really only had 1-yr to learn from Chow
before assuming his role, but at least now, he has some experience to reflect
back on. And ESPECIALLY following a 5-7 season. Utah needs improvement on the
OL first and foremost, and we need more consistent play at the QB position. As
for the QB spot, I really like Wilson. He finished 2012 with a 122.2 QB rating
as an 18-yr old TRUE Freshman. By way of comparison, cougar-hero Taysom Hill
finished with a 122.4 QB rating as a 21-yr old R/S Freshman. At 6-6, 230-lbs,
if Wilson can add another 10-15 lbs to his frame, I could see Utah completing
our 1st season with the same QB under Center since BJ finishing out the Sugar
Bowl. THEN, if Utah sputters, THEN might it be time to bring in a new, more
experienced O.C. Let's see what BJ can do in '13.
@ CHris B. According to Sargarin Utah Sched Strength was 37th in the country.
BYU was 56. Now that Utah has Stanford and oregon on the Sched there is 2 more
losses. Good luck utes.
Utah should follow BYU's lead in everything. Some universities are destined
to lead, other to follow. Just kidding Utes!
Whittingham is a great coach. He has had so many opportunities to move on to
really big time programs and has elected to stay. BUT some of his decisions on
personnel could really cost him. He rolled the dice when he appointed such a
young and completely inexperienced man as OC. Going up against all those world
class defensive coordinators in the PAC 12? He didn't have a chance. Utah
needs top of the line coaches to be competitive. Waiting for Johnson to develop
could be rough on Whittingham's career.
@Chris B... Your comment (like most of what I read from you) always puts a smile
on my face... Utah is worse than BYU in Offensive stats, and BYU has
really been off the last couple of years. To be a solid OC at the
Division I level you need to have had some experience at the HS, Div II or III
level, or as an understudy at a good program at the Division I level for 3 or 4
years...The key is building a scheme that compliments your talent and then try
to recruit the skills that fit the scheme... Both Johnson and Doman are solid
Football guys and will be good someday, but both need OC exposure in an
environment where they can learn and experiment before taking the job at a BYU
or a Utah... I love the Cougars and I do believe that Doman could be successful
if he takes time, swallows his pride and learns from an experienced guy... He
had a tendency to want to run what was successful for BYU back when he was the
QB... The trouble is, he didn't have the line he had, or Luke Staley, etc.
To be fair, I think any OC would have struggled with developing game plans for 3
different QB's all with very different skill sets. Of course Johnson could
have done better, but his play calling wasn't the only problem. It took a
while for the O-line to develop and by the time they finally started to play
better the Utes made the move to Wilson.It would have been so huge
for this team to make a bowl game this year if for nothing else than the
additional practices that the NCAA allows for it. The Utes ended up wasting a
lot of time in the preseason the last two years with a QB that wasn't 100%
healthy. As the Utes head into next year with no real QB controversy's, I
hope the offense can make some significant improvement.I don't
think Johnson necessarily did anything that would cause him to lose his job but
I wouldn't be shocked if Kyle promoted Roderick to CO-OC or something like
that.I hope they can figure it out soon and lock down some good
recruits, that will help more than anything else.Go Utes!
Kyle's choice of QBs and OCs has been his biggest flaw as head coach.
Nope. No one at the U can admit when they make a bad decision.
Follow Chris B's prediction. He is never wrong. (Sarcasm; insert laughter
here.)It will take Utah 3 seasons, maybe 4, to amass 10 conference
victories. Why would they suddenly be in line for the Rose Bowl?Hope springs eternal on the hill, I suppose. Just ask Arizona how that has
been working for them in regards to getting to the Rose Bowl.Keep
Brian for sure.
I certainly hope utah keep johnson as their offensive coordinator as he
obviously is not ready for the position and I owuld expect more of what we saw
this year from him for the forseeable future. That said
whittingham's record with OC's is not particularly good so if he does
hire a new one it probably won't make a whole lot of difference.
Wow, so few Ute fans actually care anymore!
Utah is in the PAC . Political correctness will rule. Utah can't
make a change now. They are stuck for two more years.
re: chrissy bYes, BJ will learn but if kyle keeps him at OC,
he'll get kyle fired before he becomes proficient. Your utes did not even
have an average offense. Your offense was in the bottom 20 in the nation last
year.The only roses you'll see the next 3 yrs are through your
rose colored glasses.
I think Doman and Johnson are good coaches and great minds but were both over
their heads at this junction in their coaching arch. I hope that Whittingham
realizes this with Johnson not only for the betterment of his program but for
Johnson's sake as well.
Utah needs an OC and we don't need to look in state! Or recycle! Or
promote a quarterback! Go find a great OC at a JC or D2...Chip
Kelly was at New Hampshire when OR found him...
Utah won't make a change at OC for at least another year or two if things
don't improve. Firing a coach on a knee jerk reaction after a rough year
is usually not a good choice. See: BYU and Robert Anae.
Brian Johnson inherited an injury prone quarterback and did a great job under
the circumstances. Meanwhile Brandon Doman inherited the top Quarterback recruit
in the nation and squandered the opportunity. As far as Gary Crowton is
concerned, I think he's shown he's simply not the guy to develop young
talent. Brian is. I don't think he's going to get fired anytime soon.
Rumors suggest that Whittingham has been entertaining the idea of a new
offensive coordinator and has perhaps even interviewed a few people INCLUDING
Anae before he took the BYU offer. Whether true or not, I for one would've
liked Anae to Utah. I'd be happy at his return to the Y if I was a cougar
fan.Bottom line, it won't surprise me in the least if a new OC at
Utah ends up happening.
No. Brian will learn. He's still young enough in the coaching profession
to have potential in the position. Doman had been QB coach long enough and
worked with the offense long enough that if he was any good he would have been
able to make BYU at least an average offensive team. BYU and
Utah's offenses may have more or less comparable numbers, but at one point
in the season I remember Utah had the 2nd hardest schedule in the nation.
I'm not sure how the last couple games changed that. That said -
Brian's ability to have an average football offense against a significantly
more challenging schedule tells me he has potential.Whittingham is
one of the best in the nation at putting people in the positions that will make
them AND the team successful.I still see Roses within 3 more years!