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Published: Sunday, Jan. 6 2013 5:00 p.m. MST

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LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Does Utedom honestly believe that BJ is capable of being an effective OC coaching against the likes of Kelly, Kiffin, Leach, Sarkisian, Rodriguez, Riley, Shaw and Mora?

Utah fans are only fooling themselves if they think a 25-yo with hardly any coaching experience is capable of competing head-to-head against much better coaches with much more experience, and, in most cases, much better talent.

How many more losing, bowl-less seasons will Kyle and Utah fans be willing to accept while BJ is learning? One more? Two more? Three more?

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Hey Coach Whit, good luck this year.

If you do not bring in a new OC, then please please give Brian some support and training/education from someone who is more seasoned than Brian. I think Brian has great potential but he just doesn't have the experience needed. Also, Sitake needs to become more cleaver with his schemes, this isn't the MWC where you had the luxery of speed and size, the PAC has speed and size too. Hire me as a consultant :) I would increase the speed like Oregon on Offense and ratchet down the D like Alabama/Notre Dame/Stanford...

GO Utes!!

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Johnson will get at least one more year, maybe two. If the offense doesn't improve next year, I expect he'll feel the heat.

It's always a gamble with a new OC. Oregon gambled with Kelly and won. Bronco gambled with Doman and lost. The odds are against Johnson being successful, espcially with so little experience. But it's hard to judge him based on this year with the QB situation.

A great player does not always translate into a great coach. So many at BYU wanted Detmer as OC, but he is just as big of a risk as Doman. Anae is not a home run (forgive the baseball analogy), but he is a solid double which is better than we've been getting.

AltaHawkFan
Sandy, UT

re: reasonableute

If kyle is not a 'knee jerk type of guy' then why have the utes had 5 different OC's the past 5 yrs ?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The problem wasn't play calling, the problem was lack of talent on the O-line and QB. The offense would have shined if those two positions had better talent.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

"So many at BYU wanted Detmer as OC, but he is just as big of a risk as Doman."

I disagree. Detmer has a lot more experience in the Xs and Os than Doman. Detmer had more playing time while at the Y, and lasted longer in the NFL -- where he spent a lot of time tutoring more talented QBs. Honestly, I don't know why Ty would prefer to coach a high school team than his alma mater, but I believe Detmer would have made a far better O.C. than Doman. I think Anae would be better than Doman too.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

AltaHawkFan:

The reason why the Utes have had 5 OCs over the past 5-yrs is because...

(1) One left to become a Head Coach (Hawai'i). A Head Coaching position is considered a step up from a Coordinator's position. Chow was not asked to leave the program.

(2) Two were demoted to previous position coaching positions in order to make room for Norm Chow (see above).

(3) One left to take lateral position in a BCS league. Back in 2008, Utah was a mid-major, so from a professional coaching standpoint, it was still a step up.

(4) One is still the O.C. at Utah.

None of those coaches were forced out of Utah, and replacing Roderick/Schramm for Chow is a move any Head Coach would have done given the opportunity to do so.

Did you REALLY not know the answer to that question?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval lint

Excuses are like.....well let's just say everyone has one. roderick and schramm, who were in a weird "co" coordinator situation to begin with, got demoted because they weren't good enough. The fact whittingham went looking for someone to replace them is proof enough. If they had actually been any good he wouldn't have felt the need to pursue chow.

chow was only not forced out because he actually got a job offer, if not he was gone anyway. There were plenty of accounts that whittingham had buyers remorse with that guy, you trying to pretend it was all about a promotion is funny though.

Ditto for the attempt to make it appear as if ludwig left for a better postion, of course it was a better position but that isn't why he left. He was run out of town by whittingham amid massive criticism from utah "fans" and mediocre results.

The fact is that whittingham does not like anything more than yes men on his staff.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"There were plenty of accounts that whittingham had buyers remorse with that [Chow]..."

Did you frantically and emotionally make that up? Please provide the Google search engine keywords to verify Whittingham's desire to dump Chow.

Roderick and Schramm weren't very good OCs. Replacing them with Chow wasn't a "knee-jerk" reaction. It was a "no-brainer". Can you think of a single head coach in the FBS ranks that would pass on Chow as their OC in favor of either of those two? I can't. Chow became available, and Whittingham was in the right place at the right time. If Whit had been actively recruiting other OCs at the time he snagged Norm, who were they? If he wasn't, then you can't conclude Whittingham seeking out other OC candidates was "proof" of anything.

My post never said Roderick/Schramm were great OCs. I only said they were demoted to make room for Chow. And my point to AltaHawkFan was that Whittingham was NOT a "knee jerk type of guy". If you want to argue my points, try picking one. You're a true disciple of strawman argumentation.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ Duckhunter

I can look the other way on a few of your GUESSES as to what happened with Utah O Coordinators, but this comment pretty much stole any credibility you might have had:

"Chow was only not forced out because he actually got a job offer, if not he was gone anyway. There were plenty of accounts that whittingham had buyers remorse with that guy, you trying to pretend it was all about a promotion is funny though."

This is quite simply the furthest thing from the truth and literally made me laugh out loud ... not just your typical lol ... as you're so fond of ... I mean I really laughed out loud. Come on man, you're better than that.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"Ditto for the attempt to make it appear as if ludwig left for a better postion,...but that isn't why he left. He was run out of town by whittingham..."

Here is Ludwig's coaching career as an Offensive Coordinator:

1998-2001: (4-yrs): Fresno State
2002-2004: (3-yrs): Oregon
2005-2008: (4-yrs): Utah
2009-2010: (2-yrs): California
2011-2012: (2-yrs): San Diego St.
2013-____: (0-yrs): Wisconsin

Seems to me Ludwig's 4-yrs at Fresno St. and Utah demonstrated is longest coaching tenure. "Knee jerk"???

Doesn't look that way...

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

Henry Drummond

"Brian Johnson inherited an injury prone quarterback and did a great job under the circumstances."

Great job? How so? Utah had one of the worst offenses in the NCAA last year.

"Meanwhile Brandon Doman inherited the top Quarterback recruit in the nation and squandered the opportunity."

Correction, Brandon didn't inherit Heaps, he recruited him; just like he recrruited Taysom Hill and Tanner Mangum. Brandon just managed Heaps poorly and was in over his head as an OC.

On the other hand, the reason BJ inherited an injury-prone QB, was because Whitless converted all of his QB prospects to defense and left his QB cupboard bare.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

...and yet Johnson still had enough offense to beat the mighty Cougs.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

@ Duckhunter...

That thing you speak of that everyone has, quit acting like one. Your presence to just create contention has yet again gotten the better of you. Making up statements to create an argument, why? Both teams need OC or their OCs (prior to Doman's change) need more mentoring to become better at their respective roles.

Go UTES!

uteBusters
Park City, UT

54-IQ

"...and yet Johnson still had enough offense to beat the mighty Cougs"

As usual, our little friends on the hill are so totally obsessed with BYU, that nothing else matters:

- losing season - who cares, we beat BYU
- unranked - we're hardly ever ranked anyway, but we beat BYU
- no bowl - BYU is once again our bowl
- no conference championships - we've only won 6 in the last 60 years, it's not something we do
- recruiting - it doesn't matter if most of the PAC outrecruits us, we think we did better than BYU
- 100th ranked passing offense - we beat BYU
- 93rd ranked rushing offense - we beat BYU
- 76th ranked scoring offense - we beat BYU
- 105th ranked total offense - we beat BYU

2011 BYU(10-3) ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl

Why do the Utes even bother playing a 12-game schedule, when it's obvious that the only game that matters to them is the BYU game?

ATiredDude
Sandy, UT

@Sounds right..

No, it's not two more losses. Remedial math. We trade a 1-1 record (Wash/Cal) for Oregon & Stanford. That's not two more losses any way you slice it.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@atireddude

Actually you trade a 1-3 record (wash/cal the last 2 seasons)for oregon and stanford, an almost guaranteed 0-4 over the next 2 years. So you're correct, only 1 more total loss.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

I know some people, I doubt you know anyone. whittingham wanted chow out of there and had absolutely no regrets when he left. chow is not an easy man to get along with and whittingham does not like assistants with minds and wills of their own. Believe what you want, I know differently.

sammyg
Springville, UT

I'm in Colorado all this month and I'll have some direct quotes about how these Buff fans feel about beating Utah last year. This will be so fun to share with all my "friends".

After that fiasco Whit had to be furious with Chow and that position in Hawaii was heaven sent and Fedex'd to both Whit and Chow. Getting rid of Brian won't be nearly as difficult nor will it require 'divine' intervention. Simply give him a lesser position and he'll be happy to stay.

So I think it's hilarious that the question that Brian is on the chopping block now and Utes could be going through coaching changes almost as often as their basketball program.

The kids on 'the hill' are in full panic and spin mode. So funny.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

"@motorbike - I know some people, I doubt you know anyone. whittingham wanted chow out of there and had absolutely no regrets when he left."
__________

Your bluff has been called! Not only do I know people but those people are family employed by the U and VERY involved with the football program. So you either need to quit lying or find new "people" to trust.
You're right about one thing, Chow is not an easy man to work with. But Whittingham absolutely wished Chow would have stayed and mentored other coaches for at least another year if not 3 or 4.
Get new sources my friend.

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