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Published: Saturday, Jan. 5 2013 7:20 p.m. MST

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Ogden, UT

@ Sneaky Jimmy I'd bet you are an anomoly in the Bay Area. It is nice to have someone from CA that has a lick of sense. Hang in there.


Right. More armed people are what our society needs.

Consider this:

According to a 2008 analysis of NYPD firearms discharge data done by the New York Times, between 1996-2006 officers hit their intended target about 34 percent of the time.

Another analysis, published in 2006 by the RAND Center on Quality Policing at the request of Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, found that in the years 1998-2006, the average hit ratio for officers involved in a shooting where the subject does not fire back was 30 percent. During a gunfight, where the target is shooting at officers, the study reported that the hit rate falls to just 18 percent.

The Times reported that in 2006-2007, Los Angeles police officers hit their targets between 27 and 29 percent of the time, respectively. There is no reliable national data on hit ratio.

Murray, UT

I have to wonder how many felons bought a weapon at this gun show.
Have to wonder if a potential mass shooter bought one of the AR15's.
How many bullets bought were purchased by a criminal?
Why are there not background checks at guns shows?
Thinking back to the recient mass shootings
How may of the weapons were bought at a gun show? How many of the weapons were obtained because the owner did not have the secured.
Citizens certainly have the right to own guns.
What need need is more responsibilty, and liabilty for gun owners.

Albuquerque, NM

Gun control, gun control, the words of the leftists whose knee jerk reaction to something upsetting....they always blame their fellow countrymen for something that became out of control where, in the case of Sandy Hook, people were mainly blameless.

But if you want to live in a country where gun ownership is not allowed, try living in Mexico. Without guns, 50,000+ people are killed every year. In the United States, 30,000+ people are killed every year. Mexico's gun violence still happens even with totalitarian gun restrictions. I dare you to go to Mexico and live there for a day, especially along the border.

Personally, I would prefer to live in a country without such gun restrictions, even if I do not own a gun.


Jemezblue: "Gun control, gun control, the words of the leftists whose knee jerk reaction to something upsetting"

More guns, more guns, the words of the righties whose knee jerk reaction to something upsetting...

one old man
Ogden, UT

I was talking last night with a friend who is an expert on gangs in Utah. He works with the Utah Attorney General's office. Although he is pro-gun, he has some serious concerns with the lack of adequate background checks, the gun show loophole, and the fact that before being prohibited from possessing a gun, a person must have been convicted of a felony.

According to him, at least two thirds of gang members cannot be restricted from packing. Most have fairly extensive records of misdemeanors, but no felonies -- yet. It is not unusual for police agencies to have to return weapons to gang bangers because their possession of the weapon is permitted under current law and the Second Amendment. Because there is no registration of gun serial numbers, there is no way of learning if the gun has been stolen.

He also points out that in almost every case of a gun being used in domestic violence, the gun was lawfully possessed by the shooter. Even though the shooter may have had a long history of previous violence, nothing can be done until he crosses the line from misdemeanor to felony.

Something to think about?

Ivins, UT

Gun safety should be taught in schools by responsible NRA teachers. People in the USA live around guns so teach them accordingly. If your son is Boy Scout he can learn about gun safety at scout camp from a qualified, certified teacher but how about the girls?. Hunters safety classes beed to beef up the safety issue also. Lets leave it that way. Education must never be taken out of the equasion. I am a life long hunter and gun enthusiast but see no use for a large clip military rifle in a household exscept to fill a landfill with .223 bullets. We have had bans before on large clip capacity guns and it was removed. Criminals will have whet they want to use and always will in the USA. We also live in a much different society that we did 50 years ago and adjustment need to be made to match the threats.

washington, utah

gun control is nothing short of a declaration of war on the american people by the government

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

The idea that we can solve our gun violence epidemic by making more guns available is as absurd as the idea that we can solve our DUI epidemic by opening more bars.

Layton, UT

Despite all the rhetoric about wanting to do something, guns are more popular than ever in Utah.

Heck, within the next couple months we'll have TWO gun ranges within a mile of my house that are opening. Weirdness.

After Sandy Hook, my neighbors all went out and bought guns--and are applying for Conceal Carry licenses. Guns are no longer seen as an extreme form of self-protection, but as the primary form of self protection, which imo, will only lead to more tragic tangential cases of gun violence.

I'm not a huge fan of the systematic arming of my neighborhood--I think it breeds mistrust and contempt for neighbors, and our media teaches that the only way to solve one's problems is through decisive steps like gun violence. How often have we not cheered for the good guy, when he blows away the bad guy--leaving all question as to whether he'll torment the innocent in a movie again?

That sort of indoctrination plus more guns in our hands will only lead to further disrespect and harm to our society.

Cedar Hills, UT

My wife has never shot a gun in her life but she wants to change that. She works as a secretary at a grade school and she wants a concealed permit and her own 9mm. It is highly doubtful that the school district will ever allow guns to be carried but I think her attitude is common across the country as more and more people realize the need for self protection. It is too late when the police arrive - the damage and death have already taken place. Bad guys will always have guns - legal or illegal - and no law will ever prohibit that. I always carry my .40 semi auto Smith and Wesson when I back pack and hike - not just for protection against wild animals but more so 'wild' and bad humans. Shooting someone is a last resort but people at least want an option as to whether they live or die.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Somewhere in Colorado, CO
"Shall not be infringed."

To liberals that somehow gets translated into: Taken away.

But the original founding fathers meant "Shall not be infringed."


That's because Liberals are more educated and use a dictionary to define such "big" words.
Infringed means "tresspass", i.e., the Government can not tresspass on your property to take away your guns.
As in, can not Confisgate, as in can not take away.

Liberals use a dictionary to define words,
Conservatives trust college drop-outs on the radio to define it for them.

USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" actually, your "information" is wrong. Liberals live in areas where there are more educated people. However, that does not mean they themselves are more educated.

If you look at the statistics, they only show the areas where a majority are liberals are more educated. For example, if there is an are with a lot of conservatives with high levels of education, but the area is predominately undeduated liberals, the studies you are looking at would conclude that liberals are highly educated.

However, you should look at studies like "Conservatives Better Informed, Most Consistent, More Open-Minded, Says Pew" at National Review. There are other studies out there that show that conservatives are more educated, more intelligent, happier, more generous, and donate more time than liberals.

Colorado Springs, CO

Have we really stooped to who is more educated or not? Wow!

m.g. scott

It is ironic that the biggest boost to the gun industry is when the politicians begin to threaten the 2nd amendment. I'll bet Rememington, Glock, Sig-Sauer, ect. would love for that to happen monthly.

As for those of you who claim to care about human life being taken by guns, what do you say about cars? We as a nation accept about 30 thousand deaths on American roads every year for the privilidge of driving 60 to 70 miles an hour. Want to save a lot more lives than guns take yearly? Just have the nations speed limit reduced to 25 miles an hour. Few if any people would die in car accidents unless they died of old age trying to get somewhere. Would any of you accept that life saving change? Doubt it. As for me, I love it that a person, particularly a woman, can defend herself from rape and possible murder with a gun in her purse. And, these kinds of things do occur more often than any of the mainstream media would have you believe.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

To keep the citizen militia up to date they age going to have to start selling drones at 20 million each.

Kearns, UT

Truthseeker you are full of bunk! Cite your source for that alleged statistic. Far more people have died from Auto Accidents in this state than from Homicides.

By the DNews count out of 47 homicides last year, I counted 26 were with guns. Maybe I was off by one or two. Even with accidental gun deaths, we are still well below how many die on the roads. We have had around 200 traffic fatalities in 2012, but no final statistics yet.

You can't control suicides, nor the method people use to take their own lives. Some use guns, some don't.

Kearns, UT

Midwest Mom...The "well regulated" applies to Militias, not firearms. If you read the actual Second Amendment, "well regulated Militia" is first, the last statement, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". What of the, "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

Clearfield, UT

My 2 Cents. We choose not to be subject to government. Really . We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law. I am not anti-gun. However if your rational for gun ownership is to defy the laws of the land as opposed to self defense that concerns me.

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