Published: Saturday, Jan. 5 2013 7:20 p.m. MST
"The ammunition lines are insane"Agreed.
How nice. The Catholic Church is supportive of gun control. The LDS Church says nothing about guns or poverty but the LDS Church
owned Deseret News is publicizing a gun show. Meanwhile,More
Utahns will die from firearms than auto accidents.
Truthseeker, I share your sentiment, but your facts are wrong. The
LDS church has opposed the carrying of guns on church property and has said much
on poverty. Also, the Deseret News is not publicizing a gun show; if anything,
the paper is drawing inferences to the absurdity of the show and its popularity.
However, in principle you are correct: it defies logic to deal with a gun
problem by increasing the number of guns.
I keep seeing lots of anti-gun control advocates claiming that gun control would
be a knee jerk reaction as they run out and buy guns and ammo for fear of new
laws. Do two knee jerk reactions make a jerk?
You people on the west coast need to worry about your own mismanaged and
pathetic states.. As for me I'll rest comfortably with my AR-15. The best
home defense weapon period,,,,,,
I think your numbers are way off "truthseeker"(Lol).
A whole lot of paranoid people. Just great. I hope they (and JParkerfan)
don't have a kid like Lanza living in their household...
When powerful people say they are going to take your guns, it is wise to take
them at their word.Sen. Feinstein said in 1995 that "she would
have taken them all- every one"and just last week NY Governor Cuomo
talked about confiscation. Many other powerful Democrats have been just a bit
more cautions and clever about their choices of words, but their goals are
obvious. And every proposal they have marches towards that confiscation goal,
even if indirectly!The nice people "protesting" are sincere,
but oblivious to the fact that no gun law anywhere, including confiscation, has
disarmed criminals. And, while terror-sponsor Iran nearly has nuclear weapons
(which they WILLshare!) and box-cutters were used on September 11th,
thinking that gun bans on law abiding American citizens will disarm terrorists
is wishful thinking, and almost delusional.If the Second Amendment
is gutted, the First will not be far behind."First, they came for the
guns, but I worked at a newspaper..."Truthseeker is also
factually incorrect about more deaths from guns than cars, by a huge amount.Stock up on guns and ammo while you can!
I don't think a gun ban would be wise. We can just show how dumb it is to
think a gun makes you safer. A public campaign similar to the anti-smoking
don't be a butthead commercials may reduce the insanity. Guns have butts
too.The main benefits of gun ownership are feeling safe, free,
independent, and powerful. However, if you own a gun it is 22 times more likely
to be used to kill you (suicide) or someone you love (accident, homicide in a
heated argument) than a stranger in self-defense. The costs of living in a
society of gun owners also means a substantially higher rate of homicides,
suicides, and accidents. - psycology today
re:JParkerfanFrom 2007-11, Utah averaged 271 gun deaths annually,
with suicides accounting for 84 percent of them, a slight increase from 2001-05,
the health department said.By comparison, the Utah Highway Patrol
reported an annual average of 263 traffic fatalities from 2007-11. Data from
the Utah state medical examiner show guns in Utah kill 11 of every 100,000
people annually, compared with last year's national average of 10.4 gun
deaths per 100,000.re:TMRActually, the on-line version of
Deseret News had a "pop-up" ad for a gun show in the past month.The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) wrote several letters
that repeated and reinforced the bishops ongoing call to create a circle of
protection around poor and vulnerable people and programs that meet their basic
needs and protect their lives and dignity. The bishops message calls on Congress
and the Administration to protect essential help for poor families and
vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities. The bishops
letters oppose measures that reduce resources for essential safety net programs.
What is the LDS Church stance on social safety nets?
I guess we're all safer now that millions more people have the ability to
kill other people. And their motivation wasn't personal safety, but the
fear (that's right....fear) that they wouldn't be able to buy weapons
in the future. That makes me feel safer, for sure....plus the fact that everyone
takes care of their firearms and a deranged person just wouldn't be able to
get their hands on a gun that a family member suddenly felt the need to buy. It
would be impossible to obtain the weapon that a family member owned because
they'd keep it under lock and key, along with the ammunition, so even if
they somehow got the rifle or hand gun, they wouldn't be able to use it
bexause they lacked the ammo. (Might as well allow drunk drivers to keep their
cars after being guilty of multiple DUI's.)Oh well.....
Ironic how those who fear that their rights are threatened are all for making
lists of those who suffer from mental illnesses so that they can be
controlled.Fear does not preserve freedom. It takes courage to
defend precious rights. Like the courage to defend the free speech of those
whose politics you dislike, or the religions you do not support. I have yet to
see that kind of courage from anyone in the pro-gun camp. They cry for the
"right to bear arms," yet gloss over the recommendation to keep this
right "well regulated.""The far of man bringeth a snare:
but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe." (Proverbs 29:25)
Oops. Typo.That's fear, not far."The fear of
man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be
safe." (Proverbs 29:25)
We are not enthusiast, we are patriots willing do die for and defend this
country our families, and property, from invasion, oppression, and dictators in
power. When you fight for your freedoms and life, surrendering is the ending of
freedom.Patriotism is what these gun shows are about, and patriotism
kills the enemy of freedom. Any one foolish enough to think you can have your
freedoms and disarmament at the same time are very foolish. Look what this
disarmament cost the Jews in Germany in WWII, 7 million lives up in smoke. They
were promised peace, but not their lives.This day was forewarned by
our forefathers and their wisdom is still supreme and beyond socialist
understanding. We choose not to be the subjects of government and that is our
cause, lives lost to keep this choice are the sacrifices we believe in, and they
are profound beliefs and with the same prejudices that drive all free willed
peoples.Because a mad man shoots up his school mates is not
indicative of patriotism, it is indicative of schools turned prisons, so much so
the children in the schools want body armor to keep their peers from shooting
Hunters don't need assault rifles?Heck hunters don't even
need guns. They can use a bow and arrows. Neither do people really
need cars. They can live closer to work, and walk or ride a bike or take the
bus.We don't need computers. There are ways to make due. We
don't really need cell phones either.Actually I am hard pressed
to think of any specific thing that we really 'need'.
They are buying guns because they are convinced Obama is going to take them? How
nice of them to provide more for Obama to take. Aaawwwua."Honey,
we need to spend this money on guns and ammunition. I had to buy it." It's just like the urgency every salesman tries to give you that
it's a one day sale or this is the last one in stock at this price...
I've just never seen it last so long like this.Fools and their
money.I'm thinking of asking Obama to blurt out that he intends
to ban high heel shoes so republican women can go on a shoe buying spree and
leave no money left for the hubby to buy guns with.
Gun bans will lead to an underground market of undocumented owners.Take a
look at Chicago. They've got the toughest gun laws in the country for 20
years running.And they had 500 murders last year.Rarely do they find
a FOID card or a weapon with a serial number when investigating those crimes.Beware the unintended consequences of the imperious immediacy of interest.
All that do-gooder political will...all those headlines...all those photos of
our "leaders" protecting the people...all that fluff for the constituent
newsletter...In the end you will find, "That's not what we meant
to do." You should read an excellent work on public policy by that
same title, written by Steven M Gillon over a decade ago.
News flash to Democrats! Americans will never give up their guns. The criminals
will never stop using guns and the rest of us will never stop using guns to
protect ourselves. The only question is, whose side are the Democrats on? I
think we already know the answer to that question.
@JParkerfan:Are you serious? The .223 (5.56) round was designed for
stability in flight and instability on impact. Those rounds will end up going
through walls and everywhere else, where you want them, and where you
don't. The AR-15 is quite possibly one of the worst weapons for home
defense, unless you are lucky enough to be defending your home as people attack
from 50-150 yards away. You are much better off with a short barreled shotgun
with size 4 buckshot, where you get 40+ pellets for an effective spread. 00
buckshot has too much penetration and might go through a wall, unintentionally
injuring someone you care about. BTW. I am one of the few people in
this debate who thing a realistic compromise from both sides needs to happen.
You know, compromise, where neither side gets everything they want, and both
sides need to admit to the merits of the other side's position.
I agree with Screwdriver! Owning a gun may make you feel safer but all evidence
points to the fact that it does not add to your safety, rather it is a risk. If
you do choose to own a gun, please be smart and lock it up where kids and others
cannot easily gain access! Of course if you own a gun to keep yourself safe
against a random intruder you'll probably want to keep it locked and loaded
and within an arm's reach at all times. If this is you, be
responsible enough to let your neighbors know that you have loaded, unlocked
guns in your home. Please think about children's safety!!Also,
I think it is ridiculous to hear people say they are opposed to gun control as
if it were an all-or-nothing proposition. Even in the pictures of this gun show
had signs saying "No loaded guns". That's gun control! At a gun
show, nonetheless!We all believe in sensible gun control. Now
let's enforce these laws!
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