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  • Wireless Lawyer Lehi, UT
    Jan. 6, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Worrying about how to get into a BCS Bowl in football is like a basketball team worrying about how to get into the NIT tournament. Once the 4-team playoff starts (over/under on how soon it expands to 8 teams is 4 years), the bowl games that are not part of the playoff become mere exhibitions.

    Undoubtedly, some will continue, and some will have higher payouts than others, but all the focus will be on the playoff.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 5, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    Doubtful the MWC wants BYU back. I'd bet that 'source' indicated in the title of this article is some intern who works in marketing and is hoping for a bigger advertising dollar that BYU would generate as opposed to any other option.

    Note to naval vet; don't fret what cableboy or anyone else might throw out about new conference members. Instead focus your energy (read, waste your time) worrying about the chances of your preferred school remaining in their current conference affiliation. Surely your BYU education could benefit you in looking for the positives in your chosen allegiance instead of burning up your time and emotions on bashing what you perceive as lesser programs. Good luck with life!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 5, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    cableboy764:

    I don't know who this source of yours is, but it just doesn't seem plausible to me that the MWC would prefer Tulsa and NMSU over Houston and SMU.

    I would think that NMSU's only chance at obtaining an invite from the MWC would be if the Mtn. West also invited the Indy-WACers....in order to provide the cougs with an avenue to maintain their epic year-end matchup on Rivalry Weekend.

  • cableboy764 Centennial, CO
    Jan. 5, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Just to throw something out there from my source here in MWC country.

    They are currently NOT seriously looking at ANY Texas schools.
    They have spoke with SDSU often, very often since BSU has returned.
    Tulsa looks to be a strong candidate to be invited in. And (gulp) NMSU.
    They are interested in having BYU back, but not as interested as most of the posters here seem to think.
    It also sounds to me like 14 teams is what the conference sees as an ideal amount.

    Personally, I think BYU is better off staying independent in football. I see them having no trouble scheduling games with top programs. As a CSU and AFA fan here on the front range though, I'd love to have BYU back in the fold. Those decisions however are up to folks with a much bigger paycheck than mine. I think it will work out either way BYU plays it.

  • cableboy764 Centennial, CO
    Jan. 5, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Just to throw something out there from my source here in MWC country.

    They are currently NOT seriously looking at ANY Texas schools.
    They have spoke with SDSU often, very often since BSU has returned.
    Tulsa looks to be a strong candidate to be invited in. And (gulp) NMSU.
    They are interested in having BYU back, but not as interested as most of the posters here seem to think.
    It also sounds to me like 14 teams is what the conference sees as an ideal amount.

    Personally, I think BYU is better off staying independent in football. I see them having no trouble scheduling games with top programs. As a CSU and AFA fan here on the front range though, I'd love to have BYU back in the fold. Those decisions however are up to folks with a much bigger paycheck than mine. I think it will work out either way BYU plays it.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 5, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Are you kidding me! the chances of BYU going back to the Mountain West are very slim at best. Their pride and arrogance simply would not allow it. That would be like admitting that they made a mistake by leaving in the first place. They simply could not admit that the move was not as divinely inspired as many claim, but instead a knee-jerk reaction to a PAC snub. Too much pride too little reality with cougar fans for this to ever happen.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    re: RSLJAZZBYUUTAH 1-3-13

    I think its byu who thought they were too good for the MWC.

    byu couldn't IMO handle being a medium sized fish in a medium sized pond. They wanted to relive the past and be a goldfish in a petri dish.

    Who's laughing now?

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Can't we just get along? All of the arguments from Y lovers and haters are pointless. I get it Naval Vet, Night Owl, etc. all hate BYU and everything about it. I also get that every Y fan on here loves BYU and everything about it. Enough. Talk about the article instead of each other.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    Yes phoenix we get it.
    BYU fans like yourself are not satisfied with a top 5, top 10 or top 20 finish in the polls.
    It's top 25 in the polls to just feel warm fuzzies all over. I think other teams that finish from 20-25 would aspire to do more. But BYU fans are just happy right where they are.

    Right, one game does not a season make. So stop acting like winning the USU game is the nation title!

    How did that San Jose St. beat down on national TV work for ya? LOL!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 4, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "So? What's your point?"

    The PACy-WACers would have been bowl eligible if they'd beaten the only WAC team they played.

    It's laughable that Utah fans are still gauging the entire success of their program on whether or not they can beat BYU. Sorry to burst your PACy-WACer bubble, but one game does not a season make.

    2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl
    2011 BYU(10-3) ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    @Naval Vet
    "but Ute fans are more diverse in our thoughts than the single-minded folks amid your fanbase."
    "And yes, I despise the Y. And I'm capable of feeling this way all at the same time. I suppose Y fans can only do one."

    Arrogant, self righteous, and a hater all at the same time.

    Wow: The triple crown of pathetic

    BYU will be fine without you - the question is: Can you do without BYU as your raison d'etre

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    That is true, the loss to USU hurt Utah in the end.

    As for losing to 10-loss teams; it's not hard when the year in 2007, the program is just starting to come out of a post BCS lull, the starting RB has already been lost for the season and the team is running a two QB system with a guy who turned out to be a bust and another guy who wasn't ready to come back from an injury sustained in week 1. Last year, Utah's special team choked. It happens and it's why they play the game. Remember when BYU got blown out by a 4-win Aggie team in 2010? It's the same thing. Sometimes teams get beat when they shouldn't.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    MUSSing with U

    "A team BYU BEAT!"

    So? What's your point? Aren't the Indy-WACers a team UTAH BEAT? If so, it seems to me that the only fans who regularly post here that can gloat at the Utes would be the Aggies. And you're not an Aggie. You're an Indy-WACey fan who'd lost 3 in a row, 8 of the last 11, and have a generation gap in the all-time series. How miserable for you.

    "Utah would have been 2-2 versus the same WAC teams BYU played...Lame Utah fan hyperbole notwithstanding"

    Haha! Typical hypocritical coug. You talk about lame hyperbole while simultaneously spew out some frantic and emotional nonsense based on no fact or support whatsoever. If the Utes didn't lose to any 10-loss teams from the Pac-12, how could you conclude we WOULD have from someone in the WAC. Cougar logic = oxymoron.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    qball714:

    "...it's not your concern for the MWC that motivates you, but your disdain for BYU."

    Can't I do both? I've noticed that it's often been extremely difficult for Indy-WACey fans to comprehend, but Ute fans are more diverse in our thoughts than the single-minded folks amid your fanbase. We're capable of multiple thoughts and opinions. Jealous?

    Truth is, I'm a Utah fan, first and foremost, and hold secondary allegiance to the Pac-12. Beyond them, I do in fact love the MWC. And yes, I despise the Y. And I'm capable of feeling this way all at the same time. I suppose Y fans can only do one.

    "Pat's or Geno's?"

    Neither. Those 2 cheesesteak eateries are for tourists. I prefer Tommy's (West Chester), Gator Club (Philadelphia), and LaSpadas (Woodlyn).

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    2fer

    It's true, nobody knows how Utah would have fared against BYU's schedule, or how BYU would have fared against Utah's schedule, but it's an undeniable fact that Utah would have gone bowling IF the Utes had beaten the lone WAC team on their schedule, Utah State, a team that BYU beat.

    You can spin Whit's losing to 10-loss or bad teams as "unlikely", but the fact that Whit has already managed that dubious distinction TWICE in the last 5 years, makes Utah losing to bad teams much more "likely" than most coaches.

    Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose to a 10-loss team?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @ MUSSing with U

    You don't know who Utah would have lost to if they had played BYU's schedule, despite those two brilliant examples from the past 5 seasons. This argument is silly because even you know that it is more than likely the Utes would have gone bowling if the schedules were reversed.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 4, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "The U lost to a soon-to-be Top-15 WAC champion this year..."

    A team BYU BEAT!

    Utah fans can spin it all they want, but BYU was 3-1 versus WAC, losing only to another Top 25 WAC team. At best, Utah would have been 2-2 versus the same WAC teams BYU played.

    Lame Utah fan hyperbole notwithstanding, the Utes LOST to the ONLY WAC team they played this year. If Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have also lost to San Jose State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon State, and at least one other team Utah fans would claim that the Utes couldn't possibly have lost to - see 10-loss Colorado and 10-loss UNLV. Losing to horrible teams you're not supposed to lose to is what U do.

  • qball714 Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 4, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Your own post makes it clear that it's not your concern for the MWC that motivates you, but your disdain for BYU. Fair enough. Haters gonna hate.

    And also, despite what someone else said, I am a big fan of Philly. Pat's or Geno's?

  • LadyMoon Orlando, FL
    Jan. 4, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Seems to me that IF the MWC received BCS status (unlikely as that is) would BYU reconsider such a move back to the conference they were an original member...and of course, if they kept their TV rights/money (seemingly tne only thing they did accomplish through independence) would it be worth it. Otherwise, waiting out the Big 12 options appears as their only hope right now -Vs- remaining stuck in the 'huge pool' of hopeless independents...ND nothwithstanding.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Pretty sure every conference wants us more. We have are pick and went to interdependence by choice.

  • LadyMoon Orlando, FL
    Jan. 4, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Seems to me that IF the MWC received BCS status (unlikely as that is) would BYU reconsider such a move back to the conference they were an original member...and of course, if they kept their TV rights/money (seemingly tne only thing they did accomplish through independence) would it be worth it. Otherwise, waiting out the Big 12 options appears as their only hope right now -Vs- remaining stuck in the 'huge pool' of hopeless independents...ND nothwithstanding.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "The U was PADDLED by the WAC this year, going winless in the conference."

    The U lost to a soon-to-be Top-15 WAC champion this year, in OT, and effected by a poor Offensive P.I. call that would have sent the game into 2OT. I'd hardly consider that being "PADDLED".

    "PADDLED" would be losing big...something like 21-52, 24-48, or 10-54.

    And for what it's worth, we only lost to ONE WAC team this year. We beat the ony OTHER one back on Sept. 15th, 24-21. Remember?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "The truth is, you couldn't care less about the MWC...NOBODY is 'keeping the Y out of the MWC.' BYU could rejoin the MWC anytime they wanted to."

    It seems as if the "truth" eludes you. The "truth" is, I DO care about the MWC. Always have ever since its inaugural season. That doesn't mean I "prefer" it to the Pac-12. I don't. But I STILL cheer for every MWC team in every game save those vs. the Pac-12.

    Here's ANOTHER "truth" for you. The Indy-WACers CANNOT rejoin the MWC anytime they want. They have to be invited first. That means, the Indy-WACers can't rejoin the MWC until the MWC wants. THEM; not YOU.

    And thus far, no MWC invitation. Hopefully, there'll NEVER be one.

  • Hochmut West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    A large portion of the comments continue to talk about the BCS--which is dead, being replaced by a 4 team playoff. The "automatic" qualifying program is out as there will be others making decisions as to who plays where. Having BYU in the MWC gives them no advantage to playing in a top tier bowl--winning a tougher schedule as an independent does. Plus they don't have to split revenue from bowl games with the other conference nobodies. I like the emerging schedule an until a top tier conference comes calling, I say stand pat. Cougars just need to develope an offense again that scores some points.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Wyoming plays football?? NAH!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    The Band of Brothers has been a Top 25 team and has won two bowl games since going Independent.

    Not quite as good as BYU fans were hoping for, but certainly MUCH better than the unranked, losing seasons the hilltoppers have managed.

    The U was PADDLED by the WAC this year, going winless in the conference.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    EdGrady
    Idaho Falls, ID
    Utah is the team that should go back to the MWC. That Pac-12 thing just ain't workin' out.

    ______________

    After only two seasons? No wonder BYU fans quit so early. BYU should go back to the MWC then. They don't exactly seem to be BCS busting as an independent.
    Band of brothers = BYU, Idaho & New Mexico St.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT
    It's interesting that the majority of comments from fans obsessed with BYU joining a conference come from BYU-haters, like Navel Vet, who has already posted SIX comments on this article alone.

    Kinda makes you wonder why they're soooo "concerned" about BYU joining a conference, rather than remaining Independent.

    Do they really have BYU's best interests at heart?

    _____________________

    Perhpas you should ask Duckhunter that also goes by 2-3 other names here.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "By keeping the Y OUT of the MWC, my interest is in the MWC. Not the Cougs."

    LOL!

    The truth is, you couldn't care less about the MWC.

    NOBODY is "keeping the Y out of the MWC." BYU could rejoin the MWC anytime they wanted to. The Cougars simply aren't willing to give up the television rights that precipitated their leaving the MWC in the first place.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "Do they really have BYU's best interests at heart?"

    In your hard hitting investigation of my opinions of the Indy-WACers rejoining the MWC, you must have missed my first post on this thread. There, I said...

    "I would love to see BSU and SDSU back in the MWC fold, and for the conference to also poach Houston and SMU from the Big [L]East, then stand pat as a 14-team conference...That should ensure the cougars are left trolling for one-off and 2-for-1 arrangements with relevant teams, and scrounging around the FCS and the Sun Belt (Murfreesboro?) to fill out the remainder of their uninteresting Home schedule."

    I think it's pretty obvious whose interest I have at heart. By keeping the Y OUT of the MWC, my interest is in the MWC. Not the cougs.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    the big nessy:

    "Byu ought to follow ND's lead and stay indy in football only but agree to play 5-6 games every year with the MWC and rejoin with all other meaningful sports."

    Are you under the assumption that the Indy-WACers are calling the shots here? I have to laugh at the number of Y fans who are on here laying down their terms of joining the MWC....before even being invited! It's as if you all think conferences like the Big 12, the Big [L]East, and the MWC are vigilently moving heaven and earth just to get into a DISCUSSION with Holmoe. I got news for you. All they have to do is simply pick up the phone. His line isn't busy. He's anxiously awaiting anybody's call.

    In the workforce, nobody will hunt you down to give you a big fat raise. You have to WORK for it, you have to EARN it, and you have to REQUEST it. What cougar fans are essentially doing by laying down their terms before a discussion or extended invitation would be like walking into a job interview, and already demanding a raise.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    It's interesting that the majority of comments from fans obsessed with BYU joining a conference come from BYU-haters, like Navel Vet, who has already posted SIX comments on this article alone.

    Kinda makes you wonder why they're soooo "concerned" about BYU joining a conference, rather than remaining Independent.

    Do they really have BYU's best interests at heart?

  • the big nessy Friendswood, TX
    Jan. 4, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Even better.

    Byu ought to follow ND's lead and stay indy in football only but agree to play 5-6 games every year with the MWC and rejoin with all other meaningful sports.

    This would gives good games at the end of the year.

    Best of both worlds.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Lightening Lad:

    "BYU has to do all they can to show themselves as superior to the MWC in facilities, and tradition in order to recruit kids who would never consider the mid-majors."

    If a kid would never consider a mid-major, how would they ever wind up in Provo? The cougars are mid-majors forever, remember? Just because the cougars left the MWC for Indy-irrelevance doesn't mean they're not still mid-majorey. Only Notre Dame is considered above the "mid-major" ranks. The cougars dropped down to Army/Navy status....only without all the national adolation that follows a service academy.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    eastcoastcoug:

    "2014: Texas, Va, Houston, Boise St., So. Miss.,...2015: Nebraska, Michigan, Cinci..."

    Sorry coug. Looks like you either weren't following along with the conversation, or are simply trying to pull a fast one.

    I said should the MWC keep the cougars out, that "...should ensure the cougars are left trolling for one-off and 2-for-1 arrangements with relevant teams, and scrounging around the FCS and the Sun Belt (Murfreesboro?) to fill out the remainder of their uninteresting Home schedule."

    LindonMan responded, "Naval Vet says BYU has an uninteresting home schedule," and listed the Y's 2013 Home schedule....but conveniently left out their 2014 or 2015 Home schedule. So I filled in the blank spaces he left.

    Now you come back here and drop a list of 12 games ALREADY previously mentioned, plus an additional 4 games that are in fact NOT Home games, but rather primarily one-offs and 2-for-1s. You DID know that we were discussing "uninteresting Home schedule(s)" here didn't you?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    caleb in new york:

    "...if we joined the MWC then you would still mock the Cougs for not being in the PAC 12. Too bad the Navy didn't teach you better than that."

    It's true. They don't teach Naval personnel to not make fun of the cougars. Or at least they didn't back while I was on active duty.

    So do you think they should?

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    Jan. 4, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Byu's "uninteresting" home schedule next year includes Texas, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Middle Tenn State and Utah. There will be at least one more home game next year as well. MTS is a dog but that is otherwise a solid home schedule.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    This just in . . . the Big 12 really want the Cougars they just haven't had time to get around to it . . . if it wasn't for the travel distance the SEC wants the Y . . . the Pac 12 wanted BYU but were afraid that the Y would make them look bad . . . did I mention that the Big 12 is pining away for the Y . . .

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    Utah is the team that should go back to the MWC. That Pac-12 thing just ain't workin' out.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    What is all this complaining about Laramie? If it had a 60,000 seat stadium, it would very much be like Provo, except the people would be more authentic and less arrogant. Oh well, enjoy the crazy crusade of independence!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    That would be totally awesome. And great.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Doesn't anyone find it peculiar that this is being floated by ESPN, one day after the BSU story of wanting SDSU?
    ESPN has their nose everywhere in college football and conferences. ESPN has BYU wrapped around its finger. CBS is buddies with the MWC. I see this story as a trial ballon and not much else.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    BYU should only consider this IF the MWC gets new leadership and TV rights are contractually worked out. Otherwise, independence still looks much more promising than what the MWC offered in the past.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    The Mountain West is now the Boise State Conference. The Broncos own the MWC having asked for its soul in order to return, and they got it. BYU is never going to be subservient to a mediocre Regional University (#69) playing in a small stadium with a rabid local following. Seriously, who wants to see more CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, conference games. BYU has to do all they can to show themselves as superior to the MWC in facilities, and tradition in order to recruit kids who would never consider the mid-majors. In order to matter the Cougars have to compete vs the PAC

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    BYU should jump on this deal. They won't get a better one. They are an average football with an LDS base -- not a non-Mormon national base -- and their schedule next year is only good if you're a fan of their opponents. They're never going to the Pac-XX conference (haven't we beaten that to death over the last 20 years) or the Big-12. Take what you can get.

  • Benhur Everett, WA
    Jan. 3, 2013 6:52 p.m.

    Go for it. Better a alightly bigger fish is small pond than tiny fish in big pond and nothing to play for.

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    @Wildcat, yeah, I don't think the MWC is going to formally boycott BYU. They would slapped with an antitrust suit faster than you can say "BYU's lawyers are a piece of work."

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    @Naval Vet,

    2013: Va, Texas, Utah, Ga Tech, Houston, Boise St., Wisconsin, Notre Dame
    2014: Texas, Va, Houston, Boise St., So. Miss.,
    2015: Nebraska, Michigan, Cinci...

    September and October better than ever, Novembers will be tough. Otherwise, don't know what your talking about....

    Then again, if I lived in Philly, I'd be in a bad mood too.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    No news here, everyone wants us.

  • CougMan San Diego, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    @Naval

    I'm living in SD but am a BYU fan. I went to the Poinsettia Bowl. There were nearly as many BYU fans as SDSU fans there. I was in a suit and could see the entire bowl level was filled. Yes, the upper level wasn't, but it isn't for Charger games either now-a-days.

    In fact, only two of the first 10 bowl games had higher attendance, and this was a down year for BYU fans (8-5) to be following their fans to a bowl game.

    How many fans followed your Utes to a bowl game this year?

  • Proud Ute ,
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Naval Vet,
    Looks like your striking some nerves with the ankle biters....keep up the good work!
    Nice to be in real conference and not fighting over the scraps of the Big East and MWC desperately trying to gain some relevance.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Wildcat

    What makes you think BYU cares what you or any other jealous BYU-hater thinks?

    Seriously, there's absolutely no reason why playing in Laramie would ever interest BYU fans again.

    Pull back the covers of the so-called "sweetheart" deal the MWC is offering Boise State, and you'll discover that it doesn't even come close to what BYU already has as far as television rights.

    BYU has already weathered the storm of the first two years of Independence and is just now beginning to enjoy the full benefits of not having to worry about having a lame conference commissioner like Craig Thompson dictate when and where BYU will be allowed to broadcast its games.

  • Utehaterforlife West Valley, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    Craig Thompson is one of many reasons not to go back the MWC.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    @Naval Lint

    Seriously, your rants are just boring and tedious at this point.
    And your resume is dubious.

    Now go on now and see if your Utes can ever win a Conference Championship in any sport.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    I don't think an 8-5 football team that went 2-2 against MWC teams would be taking a step down if they joined the MWC. In fact, they would probably be stepping up their game.

    It is funny that some think BYU would be doing the MWC a big favor by "letting" BYU play in the MWC for all other sports. Really, if anything, the MWC conference should cut ties from BYU if they don't rejoin, which would make BYU an honorary member of the Sun Belt, C-USA, and MAC should they stay independent.

    Personally, I think SDSU is coming back, and I wouldn't at all be shocked if BYU rejoins since Holmoe isn't finding his phone ringing off the hook for teams to come to Provo. If there is sanity and true vision at BYU--they will rejoin the MWC. If the inmates are running the asylum--which very will might be the case, look forward to a budding rivalry with the Blue Raiders of Middle Tennessee State.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    We all know you are obsessed with BYU's future schedules, but you can stop fretting, because BYU fans are perfectly content about not being able to play in Laramie.

    Playing teams like Notre Dame, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Boise State, Utah (occassionally), West Virginia, and Michigan in years to come will help ease the angst of not playing the Cowboys.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    ND didn't do the ACC alliance because of scheduling difficulties. They had/have USC lined up every Nov/Dec and the ACC teams were already altering their schedules to play ND in Dec. ND said they did the alliance to get better bowl access for the years that they don't make the BCS. Maybe they could also see that the Big East was about to implode so that the ACC would be a better home for their olympic sports.

    I think football scheduling will work out fine even without joining the MWC, but at this point the MWC would be a major upgrade for basketball.

    Naval Vet - finding happiness in someone else's challenges/misfortunes is not the path to inner peace and happiness. if we joined the MWC then you would still mock the Cougs for not being in the PAC 12. Too bad the Navy didn't teach you better than that.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Rafinsure makes an excellent point.

    BYU is following the Notre Dame model of independence, albeit on a much smaller level with BYU's national following (yes, much smaller than ND, but much larger than most D1 schools)

    I'm not sure the Mtn West would agree to such terms similar to the ACC did with ND since ND is well, ND. But it certainly is worth it to propose such.

    But to be a football member as they once were would be the wrong direction. Been there, done that.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader:

    "Why would the MWC be attracted with that type of local 'support' when the Cougs routinely have 50K+ fans and a strong national following for the away games."

    Only 35K fans showed up to the Poinsettia Bowl, and THAT included the HOME TEAM who averaged over 30K/game.

    What? Were there only about 5K Mormons in the San Diego metro area now? Seems like there were a lot more back when I was stationed there.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Nothing to see here.

    BYU would be going backwards if they joined the Mtn West for football.

    They have proven they can schedule very good teams and compete even with a weak offense and make very good money doing it.

    If BYU can rejoin the Mtn West for the "olympic sports" then they should, but I'm not sure the conference would be interested in a non-football member.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I don't think any of the folks who made comments so far can really see the big picture. BYU should make a Notre Dame/ACC deal with the Mountain West. In other words, BYU football stays independent for football while guaranteed 3-5 games against Mountain West teams in November when its hard to schedule decent teams. In exchange, BYU keeps its television rights and all other sports move back to the Mountain West. Yes, the Mountain West is a bit weak, but it takes care of the November football scheduling problem and the Cougars stop playing in high school gymnasiums in the West Coast Conference. Maybe BYU can stay on good terms with the West Coast Conference and continue to play their better teams for men's basketball, and women's volleyball and soccer. Playing SDSU, Air Force, Boise State, San Jose State, Utah State, Hawaii, and Nevada sure beats playing New Mexico State, Idaho, Weber State, Middle Tennessee, Houston, and Southern Miss in November. If Notre Dame had to make an alliance due to future scheduling difficulties, so do the Cougars. I can see somewhat like this happening. Just watch and you'll remember my crystal ball prediction.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    LindonMan:

    2014: UVa, Houston, USU, Hawai'i, So. Miss, UNLV
    2015: BSU, USU, Cincy, tbd, tbd, tbd

    Riveting.

    In the MWC, you would have played USU, Hawai'i, and UNLV anyway -- and perhaps even Houston -- in 2014, and seen BSU and USU on your 2015 schedule as well. So do former C-USA teams with the occasional weak ACC team what makes cougar fans excited?

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Waiting for more fallout still looks wise...
    The real influence will be the Catholic Conference if that materializes. Who knows, they may even invite BYU. I think the current Football Independent and WCC all other sports is a great marriage. If the Catholic Conference does not happen, keep waiting for something better. THE MWC is NOT better!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    I hope SDSU gets hung out to dry with this Big East decision. Local SDSU fans, all 10 of them, get all excited about a "3-peat" in going to a bowl game, yet they still routinely have 25,000-30,000 fans for a game, in a stadium that can hold 60K+. Why would the MWC be attracted with that type of local "support" when the Cougs routinely have 50K+ fans and a strong national following for the away games.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Personally, I see going after large independents and disgruntled C-USA or Big East members a no brainer at this point.

    East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP, Army, Navy, SMU, New Mexico, Houston

    West: BYU, BSU, U State, Nevada, UNLV, SJSU, SDSU, Fresno

    Intstead of the Mountain West, call it the "Mountain Counference."

    Drop Hawaii since you don't need any "football only" schools. Ideally, drop Wyoming as well.

    Add Gonzaga and St. Mary's (west) and two great basketball schools (east) from the former Big East as non-football members.

    With that line-up go after a Notre Dame (east) combined with a Cal, Utah or Colorado defection from the PAC.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Get back to work you little do bees. Your nap time is over.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    @Go Big Blue!!!

    Fortunately (or unfortunately), the administration at the Y is a tad smarter than the fan base. It is a no brainer for the Y to rejoin at this juncture...A NO BRAINER. I look forward to new independents signing up as well, namely Army and Navy in an "East Division" with Air Force.

    East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP, Army, Navy, SMU, New Mexico, Notre Dame (why not?), Houston

    West: BYU, BSU, U State, Nevada, Wyoming, UNLV, SJSU, SDSU, Fresno

    Drop Hawaii since you don't need any "football only" schools.

    Add Gonzaga and St. Mary's (west) and two schools (east) from the former Big East as non-football members.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    The MWC just became the new sixth powerconference. That deal was not just meant for BSU, but for BYU and every other independent out there that might be listening.

    The MWC is surely the best of the best now of the "group of 5," which means they are all but the sixth automatic BCS bid conference. Add the fact they have 6 non-BCS bowl games, and you have a mighty powerful conference right there. Play their cards right, however, and the MWC might just make out like bandits in this game of musical chairs.

    Indeed, BYU should be a no brainer. BYU would be having their cake and eating it too. It is a win-win no matter how you look at it.

    But why stop there? Think big:

    East: CSU, Air Force, UTEP, Army, Navy, SMU, Houston, New Mexico, Norte Dame (why not?)

    West: BYU, BSU, U State, Nevada, Wyoming, UNLV, SJSU, SDSU, Fresno

    Drop Hawaii since you don't need any "football only" schools.

    Add Gonzaga and St. Mary's (west) and two schools (east) from the former Big East as non-football members.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Naval Vet says BYU has an uninteresting home schedule. Yeah I'd hate to be forced to games next season against Texas, Utah, Boise State, and Georgia Tech. Besides that, we're only playing Utah State, Virginia, Houston, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame on the road. Yawn, right Naval Vet?

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Interesting, not a chance but however.

    1. We got many good games to play 2013 and beyond (depends on realignment). Stay Independent.
    2. BYU should rejoin MWC (NON Football) but Craig Thompson must go and no contract agreement. I think Dave Rose would be happy to face Dave Rice unlv.
    3. Keep all tv rights at all home espn and live/replay BYUtv.
    4. Big 12 or Pac come calling so can can move on.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    A 12 team football conference with a championship game is ideal. The Y's vanity will continue to be its downfall. San Diego will get the nod.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Oh Naval Orange..

    You clearly are Insecurity Personified!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    That's quite that scenario you painted. However, I don't know why a conference would want a local team from San Diego with a marginal record over a team with a clear national following and a somewhat storied program. Tom Holmoe is looking more like the cool genius every passing day. The BYU schedule is fantastic (albeit deadly) next year.

    I get tired of the over-inflated sense in of confidence from some of my BYU friends. They haven't won a big game in very long time. That being said, their program is in great shape.

    I would love to see BYU back in the MWC and move that BYU/USU game to November. Clearly BYU needs something interesting on their schedule in November. That is a great game every year and would be even better in November. That would kind of leave the U of U out in the cold. If they don't get over just BEING in the Pac 12 and start actually winning some games, they will become a rich afterthought for fans in this state.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    What a surprise that your BYU-hatred caused you once again misread the tea leaves.

    The only reason Boise St insisted on the MWC giving SDSU the first option to return to the conference is because SDSU helped Boise St. gain entrance to the Big West Conference when the Broncos were desperate for a home for BSU's other sports teams.

    The truth is, you couldn't care less where any team plays as long as it somehow "inconveniences" BYU.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    BYU had a really good defense this year. Terrible offense. If the Y could fix it's offense and return to being the old BYU I think they could actually get consideration to join a decent conference like the BIG 12. It would mean going undefeated in their schedule as an independent and getting into a BCS game (like Louisville did this year) and winning. Essentially doing what the U did winning two BCS games and then getting an invite to the Pac12. The Mountain West is a joke - more of a joke than before. Small time football and returning would be like retuning to job you quit a few months earlier. If the Y doesn't fix things soon and do what is necessary to get into a BCS conference I see football going away simply because of money and the fact that the talent level will continue to fall.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Reasons for BYU to go back to the MWC
    1. Less money
    2. Less exposure
    3. Ability to play lousy teams in November
    4. Abuse by the league and some really obnoxious low class schools
    5. Get to play in Laramie
    6. Get to play UNLV, New Mexico, CSU and Wyoming in football
    7. Fewer games against ND, GTech, Virginia, Texas, Oregon State, etc.
    8. Not have to watch the games in HD on ESPN with a national audience.

    That does it for me. Let's go back!

  • Scouter Midvale, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Why would BYU want to come back? Easy: Automatic BCS Berth. There are only a few good teams in that conference, which gives BYU a good chance of going to a BCS game on a fairly regular basis. As an independent, they have to basically go undefeated. Hmmmm. Undefeated to go to BCS or one or two losses and still in a BCS game? Easy choice.

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH West Valley, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    That makes me laugh, they want BYU now, they didn't want to work with BYU at all before, why would BYU go back.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    It's doubtful BYU would even consider rejoining the MWC as long as Craig T is still the commish.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    Well the mwc may want BYU but BYU sure doesn't want the mwc.