Stop insulting us, Herbert. We followed the fiscal cliff situation for weeks.
We saw our president lead, and be part of a solution that received support from
all three branches. We are not idiots. We know that you, Mike Lee, Jason
Chaffetz all want to shut everything down, and then trick people into thinking
it was another person's fault. We're not stupid.
There is a lot of talk about the aid to hurricane Sandy victims -- However there
isn't much talk about people taking some responsibility for themselves --
knowing where they lived many had no Insurance ---If we are going to live in
places where is a good possibility of such disaster we need to be as prepared as
possible or move some where else and let those who can afford to live in that
area with such a high risk take the risk rather than the American Taxpayer. --
I'm all for helping those affected but I don't think we spend the
money very wisely ----. We can rebuild and get washed out next year or the year
after --- we all need to do better in our preparation instead of always look to
the govt.to correct our poor decisions.
To "UtahBlueDevil" did you read about all the non-relief pork that was
added to the bills that have been submitted? Would you have been ok with a bill
for the hurricaine relief that included a funding to study albino squirrls in
Oregon?If you want to see why they have not done anything, look at
the entire leadership in Washington. It all comes from the top down. The
President who once stated that he would work hard to get the economy going,
stayed in town long enough to see the final debates on the bill, then left
before signing the bill itself. The leader of the House took his cues for the
priority of hurricaine relief from the President. The President got his photo
ops, now the problem is not so important anymore.
I'm amazed at the people who approve of Obama in this deal. His party has
not passed a budget for years. He has been awol and even insulting in his lack
of leadership. While campaigning he promised to cut the deficit but does just
the opposite. To all of you who approve of his incompetence, how much debt is
acceptable to you ? when should we reduce spending?
Well done Gov. Herbert. The State of the State says it all. Well done.
Herbert should be asking "WHERE WAS CONGRESS?"The
President's plan has been out there a long time. Several months. Congress
writes and passes legislation. Republicans made it clear as soon as Obama was
elected and inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. So, Democrats
got busy and did as much as they could do in the 72 days they had a filibuster
proof majority. Other than that, Congress has done nothing. Republicans have
nothing. As for the Republican Party, the insane have been in
charge of the asylum.
JoeBlow,Sorry guy. You do your own homework. The specifics were
clear, and very good. We would have seen positive economic growth in just the
first week after the election had Romney won.The fear of taxation,
regulations, and Obama care are keeping investments down with fears of lay-offs.
This is just one clue.
I Choose Freedom,Did the constitution change when I wasn't
looking and the President is now in control of the purse strings? It was always
my understanding that congress had to approve all spending bills.I
guess believing that congress is in charge of spending money would make me one
of those low information voters that Rush always talks about.
The best you can garner from comments like this is Mr. Herbert has further
political ambitions, and he is making sure he has the right talking points down
pat... has done his job complaining.I am wondering if he has done
his part as suggested before, and offered up to the President areas where the
State of Utah doesn't need as many federal dollars to help with the
process.... otherwise comments like this are really just that, worth nothing,
without putting some skin in the game. It sure is a lot easier to make
pointless comments like this than to offer up areas where Utah can be part of
the solution and offer up to cut some federal funds.Perhaps he can
start with turning down federal highway funds or the approximately $325 million
in education dollars the state receives.... then he would be doing rather than
just spewing partisan talking points.
It is hard to deal with a pres. who lies to the american people and then begins
to believe his lies are true.
The recent happenings with our federal government led me to reflect on George
Washington’s Farewell Address:“…the common and
continual mischiefs of the spirit of party [is] sufficient to make it the
interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.”“It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the
public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and
false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments
occasionally riot and insurrection.”“All obstructions to
the execution of the laws…serve to organize faction, to give it an
artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will
of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising
minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different
parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and
incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and
wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual
interests.”Wise words - we must beware of satisfying party
interests rather than the best interests of our beautiful country.
It's laughable to me that the President of the United States felt it was
more important to go back to Hawaii and finish his Vacation. They are a
disgrace and I worry and stress over what is going to happen to our wonderful
United States of America...what will be left for our children, grandchildren,
great grandchildren for them to enjoy. Our Military men and women deserve the
upmost respect. How many of us would be willing to leave the comforts of our
home and go to a foreign country and fight for what is precious to us? Give our
life in defense of what we believe is good and true. The lack of respect Obama
displays for our troops and our Constitution is heartbreaking. I pray every day
that if it is the Lord's will things will change and we as citizens will
feel hope in our future and the future of our families.
For every study there is a pro and a con. There is opposition in all things
whether they be good or bad. We'll never know what Romney would have or
wouldn't have done. We will find out soon how or what Mr. Obama will or
won't do. He hasn't actually led though he did call meetings and
force this upon us. The action taken if you read real carefully will raise the
national debt another 4 trillion dollars over the next ten years. How can we
continue to spend at that rate and work out a solution. Sure taxes were raised
on what was a temporary solution for SS. Most Americans will though suffer for
this increase. Maybe you ought to ask the man what he plans to do with
retirement plans and Individual retirement accounts. His answer is to DO AWAY
WITH them. Why, because companies especially the little ones get a tax
deduction. Unfortunately, most can no longer afford them and with the tax
increases many will not be able to save now. So again, more individuals who
will become dependent upon the government for support. That is SOCIALISM.
Where? This morning I saw him on CNN, discussing the deal. Not a great deal,
mind you, but something, anyway. And he was thanking the vice president for
making the deal happen. Pretty good thinking on the presidents' part to put
Joe in play. He knows how to get things done.
Yes, where WAS the President when he should have been "presiding"?? The
so-called "fiscal cliff" did not just appear a couple of weeks ago, did
it. Procrastinating this HUGE situation was certainly consistent
with his record so far.We can only imagine who the president would
have been had he attempted to apply his community-organizing leadership skills a
few months ago - when this SHOULD have been addressed.Allowing
something like this to be delayed until the very last minute - is NOT
leadership, and is certainly NOT presidential.Actually, I hope he
got a 4 year Hawaiian golf pass for Christmas. Nobody would miss him.
Redshirt.... show us the plan then. where can we find this plan? I want to
see it.Here is another Republican view on where the inaction comes
from... in today's press"Christie declared: "Last
night, the House majority failed most basic test of leadership and they did so
with callous disregard to the people of my state. ... It was disappointing and
disgusting to watch." He also unapologetically named names:
"There's only one group to blame ... the House majority, and their
Speaker, John Boehner." He added that the relief bill "just could not
overcome the toxic internal politics of the House majority."Under other house leadership, aid to New Orleans was done in 10 days. Aide to
Florida, 20 days. Under the current "leadership".... two months past
the hurricane not a single cent of aide released because the speaker refused to
act. Why.... per haps just a little but of politics being played... post
election payback? But the speaker isn't hurting Christie, he is hurting
the people whose homes were washed away, their business destroyed..... future
voters who will continue to not trust the house leadership.Party
over country.... the message is really clear.
When the $16,000,000,000,000.00 keep going up, do you guy see the cliff before
you? How soon we will be there? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, ... Tea Party is the only
@Worf - why don't we compare the state of the union in Bush's last
quarter, and then the same this last quarter of Obama's. Lets look and see
how the economy was doing in both? Lets take a look at housing. Jobs. Even
deaths to militants... its a fun comparison.Just try to take the
partisan muck out of this, and look for real solutions.And
people.... this was not the final budget deal. All this deal did was to keep
most of the Bush cuts in place. The sequestration mess is still a work in
process with its deadline pushed 2 months from now. All these formulas you keep
posting dont mean a dang thing. Yes, it is kicking the can 2 months down the
road...but is surely better than the Houses solution which was nothing and would
have immediately cost Americans about a million jobs....and taxes would have
gone up for everyone, with a little new recession for added bonus.But keep complaining. You do it so well. It is far easier to complain than
to come up with real solutions, and be part of the solution.
Ok red,Exact same question to you. "So, tell me
specifically,What deductions/loopholes did Romney and/or Ryan say
that they would close?"Easy question. Will you dodge it again?
BTW, i went to romneytaxplan dot com as you suggested. Hilarious. Go check it out. Best laugh all day. Thank you
$41 in new taxes for every $1 in spending cuts. We are over $16 Trillion in debt
with Obama adding almost $6 Trillion of that amount in just four years. Not his
fault some of you will say? Well what has he done about it? He is the President
and the buck stops at his desk.Yes, Obama is keeping his word to
"fundamentally change" the USA.
To "JoeBlow" don't like and say you were listening to Romney's
plans for cutting taxes and balancing the budget when you obviously were not.
Your ignorance of facts is not our fault, that is your own. The web site romney
tax plan dot com is still active, and can get you the information that you
refused to get during the election.
Re:PatriotAccording to the Tax Policy Center, more than 60% of those
non-income tax paying households did pay federal payroll taxes.Of
the 18.1% of U.S. households that paid neither income nor payroll taxes? More
than half of them were headed by a senior–in other words, by someone who
paid payroll taxes and likely some income taxes too, in the past.BtwGrover Norquist favored passage of the Senate bill, stating
technically it wasn't a tax increase (since taxes were going up), but was
actually a tax cut. Even "wealthy" people benefit from the lower tax
rates on lower levels of income.
"I heard it several times. Where were you?"I was listening.
Maybe you heard something that I did not.So, tell me
specifically,What deductions/loopholes did Romney and/or Ryan say
that they would close?Specifics please
2013 starts out with the BAD fiscal cliff deal that really hurts everyone. I
suspect this is going to be the norm for the next 4 years... bad deal after bad
deal after bad deal. But realize the BAD DEAL is only for those who work and pay
taxes - for the rest of the non-tax paying and non working crowd who live off
government freebee's everything is rosy. What's wrong with getting
free stuff? So 50% of America (maybe more) is pretty happy right now. Also
people talk about compromise. Compromise is good IF what both sides are
proposing has some merit but when one side is so obviously wrong and damaging
then compromise does more harm than good. I see Obama bending on NOTHING.
NOTHING!! Is that compromise? I guess in Obama's mind compromise means
surrender your values and adopt mine. How would that attitude work in a
marriage? In a corporation? Barack is a novice green horn who hasn't run a
thing in his life so understanding the art of compromise is beyond him. Living
by strict ideology - from left or right - is lethal.
What on earth is Herbert talking about? Obama has been extremely engaged in the
negotiation process with Congress. Could it be that Herbert just doesn't
like the outcome of the fiscal cliff deal, but won't say it? Or maybe he
despises Obama because his hard work processed a deal that exposed too much of a
certain party's incompetence and lack of teamwork?Anyway, all
this finger pointing from our officials is getting so tiresome. And at the risk
of sounding hypocritical, I have to say that I am as disappointed as Herbert is
in the lack of leadership and accomplishment in Washington -- which I squarely
blame on the platform of obstructionism which seems to be the only thing the
Republican Party can pull together.
JoeBlow,I heard it several times. Where were you?Obama,
and the press are great at demonizing people. Romney easily would
have kept his word. The economy is not that difficult to fix, but will soon be.
Governor Herbert is absolutely right, Obama has not been a leader, in fact he is
more of a thug than anything resembling a leader.But, this reflects
the huge split in our country. Some, but too few, thoughtful and
fact based people recognize that we are out of money and mired in debt, and can
no longer spend like we have, nor support the entitlement programs that have
gotten us to this point. Many, rightly characterized as driven by
well-intentioned emotions, or low information voters who only care about getting
"free stuff" and screwing the "evil rich," think there is an
endless supply of tax dollars and every need, desire or luxury can and should be
supplied by the government. Without a clue as to how to pay for it, or the
consequences for failing to pay, they have succeeded in spending us to a level
of indebtedness from which we cannot recover.Governor Herbert is
right, and Utah's economic success and sound financial management confirm
that. Well done, Governor and Legislators. But our frugality is jeopardized by
the reckless spenders in Washington.
Congress is AWOL.Obama is finally standing up against the GOP,
Grover, the Tea Party and other things he should have been fighting harder to
overcome for four years.Maybe now that Obama seems to have found
some backbone, some progress might begin.In the meantime, the good
Governor is still wearing his blinders and spouting the party line of
obstruction and fibs.
When Gov. Herbert shows us exactly how he'll cut federal spending to make a
significant dent in the deficit - then and only then will I take him
seriously.Tell you what - ask Gov. Herbert how he'd react if
congress were to say, "OK, we'll get serious about cutting budgets.
We're shutting down Hill Air Force Base. And that gajillion dollar NSA
building in south Salt Lake County? Cancelled. We don't need it and we
can't afford it."How about that, Governor?
I guess he missed the "Meet the Press" interview with Obama, who was
pretty clear about his position.
"Romney had a plan, but nobody wanted to hear about..."We
asked REPEATEDLY to hear about it. We asked and asked for the details. All we got was"I will lower taxes by 20% and balance the
budget by closing deduction, while increasing military spending."Never once did we hear how this would be accomplished. And we were skeptical
because it sounded too good to be true. And we all know that it was.Oh yes. We did want to hear his plan. Every one of us. And we
asked and asked and asked......
Sadly NOTHING has, nor will it, changed in DC. Obama has his mandate after lying
about everything to get the presidency... at the cost of everything. So what did
he do? Party, played Golf, flew to Hawaii (at the cost of millions and robbing
Christmas from hundreds of parents who guarded/ serviced him). The saddest thing
is, that the US is in such a bad situation ... worse than Greece... financially.
The fiscal cliff has not been cancelled, but deepened! Romney had a plan, but
nobody wanted to hear about...
owlmaster2,* You don't remember Obama investigating fast &
furious?* You don't remember the deficit was going to be cut in
half.We could make a long list, can't we?
Seriously Governor????You haven't noticed the lack of support from
the Congress, where there is a Republican stalemate basically at every
turn???You don't remember the pack Senator McConnell and his cronies
made to impede anything that came from Obama???You didn't hear about
Bohners Plan B that your party rejected so strongly that there was never a vote
taken on it???You don't know that this Congress has the worst record
in history for getting things done??You haven't heard that this
Congress has a national approval rating of a whopping 12%????Perhaps you
should subscribe to the Deseret News and follow the events of our nation.
Seriously? Gary Herbert is questioning a lack of leadership in Washington and
there are many Utahns questioning the lack of leadership in SLC.
Gov. HerbertMike Lee and other favorites of the Tea Party are the
problem. I suggest you look within your own state and think long
and hard about who gets sent to Congress from your state. Governing requires
compromise. When you send people to Congress who believe compromise is evil,
you get gridlock. Gridlock can destroy our country by making it impossible to
solve our problems.
He's golfing with Waldo.
Sorry, Governor, but anyone who pins their hopes for America's future on
the US Congress is going to be disappointed. We need to do things without the
fed, not get into bed with them. As you have noted, thay are dysfunctional and
the less we depend upon them the better.