Boise States decision to stay in the MWC was based on the new reality of BCS
changingits championship format.Boise State has beaten Washington,
BYU,Utah, Oregon, Oregon State and Utah State.Coach Chris Petersen is one of the
best five coaches in the countryyet a few missed field goals have kept
them out of the BCS in recent years.AQ Big East lookedgood but the
landscape changed when super conferences began cherry picking teams.
"ESPN execs are still THRILLED with and BYU continuing to average over
15,000 fans more per game than the Utes."What in the world is
that supposed to mean. Attendance in games doesn't not translate into
advertisor dollars... ever. Lets look at Basketball for example.
BYU easily out draws Duke in basketball games by attendance, largely becuase
Dukes home court only holds less than 10K. And yet whet adveritors pay to get
rights for BYU or Duke games is hugely different.Its about the
quality of the product you put on the court/field. From an excitement and
watchability index, BYUs football team was a disaster this year. Some of the
most painfully boring games to watch - and I am a BYU fam. That desirablity to
watch is going to effect advertisor dollars much more than how many seats are
filled. BYU needs to be real careful next year. They get a pass on
this year, but two years in a row... ESPN execs will not be thrilled as you
claim them to be.
PAC man,Do you know how extremely desperate you sound?
LOL!Boise St. wants San Diego State back in the MWC and not BYU.
Apparently other MWC schools are fine with that. None of them are suggesting BYU
Naval VetAnother frantic, jealous post from our resident
BYU-obsessed hater.BYU would never even consider returning to the
MWC as long as Craig Thompson is still around.BYU doesn't have
to live vicariously through anybody with regards to that one-trick pony program
on the hill whose only significant wins since joining the PAC have come against
BYU.Unfortunately for U, one win does not a season make.2012 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl2011 BYU(10-3) ranked
> Utah(8-5) unrankedThe exposure and attendance talk are
self-evident with ESPN's exclusive contract with BYU that ESPN execs are
still THRILLED with and BYU continuing to average over 15,000 fans more per game
than the Utes.
COUGARNATE:"Let me get this right the MWC is allowing Boiae St.
to keep their home football rights, yet they would not let BYU do the
same."You are correct. The MWC most certainly WAS very
determined to keep Boise St. in the conference, but not that concerned about
keeping the Indy-WACers. Hopefully, the MWC either keeps the Y out, or at the
very least, levies a very STEEP membership fee to join.BigIndyWACer:"I guess that's how bad it's gotten up
on the hill. They no longer focus on winning where it counts, on the
field...their fans are now including moral victories, ratings victories and
living vicariously through other teams in order to feel better about their
season."Funny I never heard you address this phenomenom whenever
Y fans -- aka, the 54-10 loser types -- lived vicariously through the Colorado
program after the Buffs upset the Utes at RES last season. And "moral
victories"? Isn't that what folks around your part of the country call
"Poppinga victories", after former-coug Kelly Poppinga? "Ratings
victories"? What about all the "exposure" and "attendance"
talk your fans repeat ad nauseum every year? Typical hypocritical coug.
BigCougar,Yeah, we Ute fans are just horribly embarrassed by missing
a bowl game for the first time in 10 years ... and while playing a big boy
schedule to boot.Call us when your team gets to a bowl game after playing
a schedule like Utah just played - it might not ever happen. That's okay
though, better to go to a bowl game than play a difficult schedule, right?
@Nightillamerica"The alleged national brand got beat by that little
ol' school in Logan. LOL!"That's funny. I guess
that's how bad it's gotten up on the hill. They no longer focus on
winning where it counts, on the field. Since those types of victories are
getting harder to come by their fans are now including moral victories, ratings
victories and living vicariously through other teams in order to feel better
about their season.Oh well, for those ute fans there's always
basketba.....oops, never mind, there's always women's gymnastics
season to cheer them up.
So even though BSU never played a single down as a member of the Big East, they
have to pay a $10 million fine just so that they can remain a member of their
current conference! And that, boys and girls, is why you should always read the
small print in a contract. The Big East (or more their lawyers) are going to
make a nice little payday out of all this before going belly up.
Glad to have Boise stay. The MWC is going to be a great conference for USU.
Already looking forward to next fall.
Basketball anyone?---------Sure, can't wait for BYU to
come to Spokane; and vice versa. As far as the MWC goes, BYU should
only re-join if a BCS bid is issued to the conference. They should give the Big
East's bid to the MWC, especially if BYU and Boise State are in the
BYU would go back to the MWC under certain conditions but I don't see those
conditions ever coming to pass. Staying Indy for now is the best option.
I love the Ute smack talk about ratings of bowl games. I'm
dying to hear the 'couch potato bowl' ratings. I'm
ecstatic for USU's ratings, they deserved them even after BYU beat them.It's sad that some Ute fans are having a hard time dealing with
their disappointing season. Somebody please remind them about their
'participation trophies, they are called PAC12 lightpole banners.USU (WAC) paddled my Utes---"Yet here they are clinging to an
ESPN contract and looking for a better conference deal for more money."Can you verify that? I didn't think so.I think the real
untold story is how Utah should give money back to PAC10 original teams for
breach of contract... impersonating as a football and basketball power house.And back to the real story...Tom Holmoe's in the
driver's seat on the big BYU bus. He sure avoided that B.E. pot hole
didn't he?While the kids from 'the hill' in the
'short bus' look at the fading PAC12 banners and look at the pretty
lights downtown SLC... it was a sad holiday post-season and a longer winter to
Spring camp. Basketball anyone?LOL
Snack PAC,It's you that's delusional if you think ESPN
would say anything other than what was said by Ilan Ben-Hananthat. What are they
going to do, publicly step all over a team they still have a contract with to
continue broadcasting? That doesn't make much sense now does it?By
the way, I never said ESPN wasn't happy with the BYU relationship, I only
mentioned the truth, which is that ratings have not been great. For all I know,
ESPN may love BYU more than Alabama.Lastly, you're also delusional if
you think I'm jealous of BYU ... that was pretty funny though.
Snack PAC1. The BYU ratings were not impressive at all.2. Yes
the ESPN exec said that. But what do you expect them to say? it's their
money. They are not going to openly say that ratings are not what they
expected. You can bet they are talking about it though.3. Both the Idaho
Potato Bowl and the Poinsettia Bowl were on ESPN. As mentioned before, the USU
game got a 2.8 rating while BYU was 2.2. The alleged national brand got beat by
that little ol' school in Logan. LOL!
So, what concessions were given BSU? They were demanding rebroadcasting rights
and I think Home game Broadcasting. I suppose they were granted at least some
of that. As long as Thompson is around, BYU won't be rejoining
While jealous BYU-haters like wacpaddled and motorbike cluelessly whine about
how "disappointed" ESPN is with BYU, this is what ESPN actually had to
say about BYU:"NOTHING could be further from the truth,"
said Ilan Ben-Hanan, ESPN’s vice president of programming and
acquisitions. "We are THRILLED with our partnership with BYU. And I
don’t use that word lightly. We are GENUINELY THRILLED."Of
course, our jealous little friends on the hill like to pretend that they know
more than the people who actually write the checks, but what else would you
expect from them when reality intrudes on their delusions.
USNGary"WAC PADDING - Have you seen and heard the ESPN people
talking about the ratings BYU brought in throughout the season? A ton better
than any pac team brought in, oh yeah, forgot, couldn't see any pac teams
play nationally this year."_____"Talking about the
ratings" versus what the ratings actually are, must be two very different
things in this case. The fact is, BYU game ratings on ESPN this year were
disappointing. And then there's this:The BYU/San Diego State
Poinsettia Bowl drew 2.2 million viewers on ESPN, down 29% from TCU/Louisiana
Tech last year (3.1M), and down 38% from San Diego State/Navy in 2010 (3.6M).
The game ranks as the least-viewed Poinsettia Bowl since at least 2006
(viewership prior to 2007 was not available).Perhaps the lowest
rated Poinsettia Bowl ever ... OUCH!!And by the way, if you
couldn't see any PAC-12 teams playing nationally this year, you must be
living under a rock.
I think taxpayers of Idaho should be angry if one red cent to pay off the Big
East came from the school or even athletic program. Colleges and universities
are there to first and foremost to educate, not make to make BCS bowls...
Let me get this right the MWC is allowing Boiae St. to keep their home football
rights, yet they would not let BYU do the same. The MWC is very desperate now.
BYU has a bigger fan base, bigger tv market and a its own tv network, and the
MWC is catering to Boise St. What would they allow BYU to do now, just about
I agree BYU will not return to the MWC. They will instead pave the way to
excellence as the best managed intramural school in the country. Schools will
flock to BYU to see how to get of the BCS treadmill and focus on educating
students while providing quality physical fitness for more students. BYU and
intramural sports, a match made in heaven.
WAC PADDINGHave you seen and heard the ESPN people talking about the
ratings BYU brought in throughout the season? A ton better than any pac team
brought in, oh yeah, forgot, couldn't see any pac teams play nationally
3grandslamsIowa City, IAUtah State was about the only school
that defended BYU and told the truth when everyone else was spinning and
accusing for more money. So I'm guessing everyone got what they
deserved, BYU has had great success with independence, making a ton of money for
itself. Craig Thomspon will have to say sorry and leave his "socialism"
model behind and pay BYU what they are worth to a league, if he wants them back.
The WCC is thanking BYU for it's HD tv facilities and rabid fan support,
and ESPN is thanking BYU for their fan base to (i.e. tv ratings) for each
season.__________________3grandslams you just struck
out. Have you seen BYUs TV ratings this season? Nothing to boast about. USU had
a higher bowl game rating than BYU! In addition its humorous to think back to
when BYU went indy. BYU supporters were saying that BYU is not about the money.
Yet here they are clinging to an ESPN contract and looking for a better
conference deal for more money.
I do not think the Cougars should go back to the MWC but who knows anymore. I
do like their independence and the idea of a scheduling agreement with the MWC
but believe they should only play 3-4 games a year against the MWC and have an
additional agreement with the Big 12 for 2 games and the PAC 12 for 2 games.
THey already seem to play that type of schedule anyway. Putting it into a
contract would make better sense, you simply replace the WAC teams from the 1st
2 years with a few additional MWC teams. They already have BSU and UtSt on
their schedule for several years and have talked with UNLV latelty. That is 3
MWC teams. Add a 4th each year and with 2 Big 12 teams and 2 PAC 12 teams you
have 8 games scheduled. Play a Div 2 team a Conf USA team and a few other
bigger programs in either the SEC or ACC and they are golden for scheduling as
an independent.I do however like BYU Bball back in the MWC. WCC
gyms are like playing in HS! Bring back the PIT and UNLV!
Let's see, hmmm will BYU return. The other league members were incredibly
(in a hypocritical sort of way) critical of BYU's move, even though in the
world of College football it made perfect sense. Craig Thompson is still in
charge of the MWC and he was very clear about his feelings towards BYU. Utah
State was about the only school that defended BYU and told the truth when
everyone else was spinning and accusing for more money. So I'm
guessing everyone got what they deserved, BYU has had great success with
independence, making a ton of money for itself. Craig Thomspon will have to say
sorry and leave his "socialism" model behind and pay BYU what they are
worth to a league, if he wants them back. The WCC is thanking BYU for it's
HD tv facilities and rabid fan support, and ESPN is thanking BYU for their fan
base to (i.e. tv ratings) for each season.
I'm chuckling with the comments saying that maybe BYU will go back to the
MWC too - That bridge was burnt a long time ago and it just ain't gonna
It just perplexes me that people think that BYU would want to re-join the
Mountain West. Remember, even with Boise State, the league is still worse than
it was before BYU left. TCU is gone, and Utah is gone. It would be a big step
backwards. BYU would love to join the Big 12 - under the right conditions - but
otherwise the Cougars do just fine as an independent. They certainly don't
need anything the Mountain West has to offer.
The MWC has new TV deals, "deal with CBS Sports Network to allow the
conference to sell games to other national networks. The deal, which runs
through the 2015-16 season, will net a $300,000 bonus for schools that appear on
ESPN, ESPN2, NBC, CBS or Fox, with an additional bonus of $200,000 for a
Saturday game." You got to think that MWC is wanting BYU back
before they allow SDSU back
What an idiotic comment in the article - "The decision makes sense for Boise
State because changes to the Bowl Championship Series requirements will leave
the Mountain West and the Big East on equal footing. The champion of the Big
East previously received an automatic BCS berth."This was known
before Boise State decided to go to the Big East! The reason Boise State has
changed their mind is the problems with the Big East including the basketball
schools leaving and no TV contract!For those who are saying BYU will
now return to the MWC, why? It is true the main problem, the TV exposure has
changed drastically with the long overdue demise of The Mtn. But, BYU can get
better TV exposure (6th most TV exposure last season!), play better teams,
recruit better players, make more money and have more control over everything!
The only thing the MWC brings is the same every conference brings and that is
easier scheduling, but BYU would have to settle for less exposure, less control,
less money, less attractive to recruits and an easier schedule. Not really the
way to go!
@AntelopeValleyUte"Last I checked, Boise St was better than BYU
in every aspect of football"Except for packing stadiums and
making money for TV networks, which is all that really matters nowadays.If BYU wants in the MWC (which I hope they don't), Thompson will be
gone and they will be in. Similarly, if they decide that they want to form a
new conference, BSU will be the first team in line to join them.
Good move on BSU's part. Boise St carries some weight due to their BCS
successes, and will be a good team for the Mountain West. Like USC, I hope BYU
chokes on a chicken bone thinking they are all that and a bag of potato chips
acting like their football program is all that. Last I checked, Boise St was
better than BYU in every aspect of football. Heck, they have been a top 25 team
for nearly a decade now. Unfortunately, Utah and BYU have no consistency when
it comes to that.
BYU won't go back to the Mountain West unless Thompson is gone and they get
an even better deal than Boise St. Never going to happen...and I'm glad.
A1994Centerville, UTGreat news! The move to the Big East made sense
for about two minutes. As an Aggie fan I am glad that BSU is sticking around.
And based off of what is going down with the Big East, Tom Holmoe and BYU are
looking pretty smart about now. They may well end up back in the MWC but it will
be under vastly different terms.________________The only
thing that has happened since BYU went indy is that Idaho and New Mexico State
are their new "band of brothers." BYU is not Notre Dame, why should a
conference give the Cougs preferential treatment to keep their ESPN contract?
Secondary rights perhaps like BSU will be doing.
Ooooopppps! Quick----throw this thing into REVERSE!!
Like CougFaninTX I agree that BYU would do well with a scheduling agreement with
a conference, but if they can easily pick and choose which MWC schools to
schedule (like the 12 year deal they have with BSU) they may opt to seek an
agreement with a conference other than the MWC.It sure does make BYU
look all the wiser for not jumping to the Big East last year.
Mtn West will make zero concessions to entice BYU. They didn't during the
Mtn network days and they won't now. They obviously believe they can make
it to AQ status as is. BYU will have to drop or reduce their expectations or
plan on staying independent.. Also no way Mtn West is going to help BYU fill
their schedule as an independent. They aren't the WAC. They already have
1 school with an inflated sense of self importance in Boise St, they aren't
dying for another in BYU.
Sometimes the best thing is to sit and wait. I agree with A1994 that Holmoe et
al. look a lot smarter now. I also can see CougFaninTX's idea happening:
MWC for basketball, baseball and olympic sports, five non-conference games for
football (as long as they are not UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming and CSU every year.
But a season of Boise State, San Diego State, Utah State and one of the mediocre
four could be very good. If Utah State can maintain the level they rose to under
Gary Anderson, I would love to seem them as an every-year matchup, both in
football and basketball.
CougFaninTx, why would BYU joining the MWC in everything except football be a
"win" for the conference?I don't pretend to have a lot
of knowledge on this but it just doesn't make sense to me.Good
to see BSU staying... GO AGGIES!
I was really hoping for a new conference in the West with Boise State, San Diego
St, Houston, SMU, BYU and five others. UNLV and UNM have already expressed
interest in leaving.This is likely the death knell for the Big East.
I look for Houston and SMU to announce they are leaving the B.E. soon. Will
they join the MWC also, or go back to CUSA? And will it be days or weeks before
SDSU announces a return?How much money will the B.E. make from exit
fees?I don't see BYU jumping all the way back into the MWC, but
I wonder if there's any opportunity for a Notre Dame / ACC deal? BYU moves
all sports back to MWC, except football, and plays 5 football games agaimst MWC
teams each year? If Thompson puts his ego aside, this would be a win for the
Great news! The move to the Big East made sense for about two minutes. As an
Aggie fan I am glad that BSU is sticking around. And based off of what is going
down with the Big East, Tom Holmoe and BYU are looking pretty smart about now.
They may well end up back in the MWC but it will be under vastly different
Do ya think that maybe they were just a little too eager to make that Big East
move? How embarassing! Nothing like paying a $10 million exit fee (without
having ever played a game) for one of the worst conference money-grab decisions
The West needs another football conference with some form of stability other
than the PAC 12. Actually glad to see this happening.
I don't think you will see BYU go back to the MWC as long as Craig Thompson
is still the commisioner, and they aren't going to go back unless the MWC
concedes on stuff like letting BYU re air on BYUtv for one, and getting better
tv contracts with ESPN.
The Big East has become irrelevant and BSU has avoided boarding a sinking ship.
There is parity, except for the 2-3 elites in each conference, that conference
affiliations are becoming less important,e.g. USC playing Georgia Tech, they
must be great, they belong to big time conferences.
I think a return to the MWC is inevitable for the Cougars now. Well, assuming
the other schools have gotten over BYU's departure and the way it all went
down.Nothing wrong with rejoining a good MWC that no longer has "The
Mountain" TV network to deal with.