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  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I agree, ASU is not a team that will be world beaters this year ... but the fact remains that you predicted a blowout. At least you finally admitted the obvious which is that Utah didn't get trounced, this alone is progress from you.

    Look, in all seriousness, no one, including me, is saying Utah is incredible. They're far from incredible. But it's not difficult for unbiased eyes to see that the Utes aren't far below BYU's level this year. They're still below, but not by much.
    Now depending on which new recruits stay home from missions and which missionaries return, BYU could take a nice step forward next year that Utah may not be able to match with new recruits etc. But again, THIS year, teams such as Utah and ASU would be right behind BYU in the WCC standings as much as you don't want to admit it. It's really Gonzaga and then a giant step down to St Mary's and BYU. Santa Clara will prove to be weak and the rest of the field is not good at all.
    Just the facts, that's all I'm saying.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    @motorbike

    They lost. Sorry to have to break it to you but they LOST. LOL!

    I admit they didn't get "trounced" but your assertion about "ability to compete with good competition" is an LOL! gem. asu is not "good competition" they only won 10 games last year and played a crappy schedule similar to utah's this year in a feeble attempt to get some pre-season "wins". They played 11 of their 13 pre season games AT HOME against some extremely bad teams. 2 of their games came at a neutral site in a tourney so they played exacly 1 road game.

    Their schedule consisted of a whose who of bad teams. Just like utah's.

    I find it interesting how utah "fans" like yourself want to ignore the abysmal schedules utah and other pac12 teams are playing and pretend that their records somehow indicate that they are good. If you are going to play almost all of your games at home against bad teams then you are going to win most of them. Congratulations?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 3, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    @ motorbike

    Bingo!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Duckhunter ...

    Yes they indeed did lose, very observant of you, you're getting better at this. But in the process of a one point loss in overtime it also pulled the carpet out from under your argument about where Utah currently stands in their rebuilding process and ability to compete with good competition.
    Don't worry though, despite your prediction of a blowout, no one expects you to admit to having misguided opinions anytime soon - we've come to know you better than that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Sure I'll check in, they lost. Again. Kind of pathetic when the only consolation you can take is that I said they would get "trounced" and then they managed to keep it close, yet still LOST. Congratulations?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    "It starts with a trouncing tonight"

    Care to check in and explain what happened? I guess we now know who's wearing the shaded goggles.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    agb, I'll give you a hint: start at the beginning of the comments section.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    agb

    Do you often come on Utah threads to try and pick a fight? Who's in denial about the current state of affairs with Utah Hoops? Utah lost a close game, on the rosd, to a good ASU team. Utah basketball is on the up swing. Nothing emabarrassing about that. Not near as emabarrassing as trolling your rivals thread and trying to start an agruement. That's not only emabarrassing, but really quite sad.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    StGtoSlc :

    I checked. It was DH who brought up the score of BYU ND as an analogy to prove a point about bball. From there it was u fans who steered the conversation to players in the nfl etc.

    The only embarrassment is u fan denial about the current state off affairs with the bball team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    agb

    Let's talk basketball Mr. Helper. Care to discuss last nights game? So many of you BYU fans said Utah was going to get crushed. No where to be found today; typical.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:07 a.m.

    PAC man

    So there is no proof that switching schedules would have improved Utah's record.... as you tell us who exactly Utah would have lost to on BYU's schedule, even though you have no proof. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

    Personally I like Utah's chances against USU if that game had been played in RES, I also think Utah could have beaten GT (again) and SJSU. We do know that Wazzu was a win, and that Weber, Idaho, NMSU, Hawaii would most likely be wins as well. As for the rest, who really knows? There is a reason they play the game.....

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    motorbike

    As hard as it is for our crimson-goggled friends on the hill to come to grips with, BYU is better in football, and MUCH better in basketball, than the Utes.

    We know that's hard on mighty weak Ute egos, but that's just the way it is.

    It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chests every time the Utes beat a ranked team, then pretend that rankings don't matter when BYU is ranked.

    Here's a clue: BYU BEAT a Top 25 team THIS YEAR, finished with a better record, and won a bowl, while the Utes finished with a losing record and no bowl.

    Only a delusional Utah fan would even try to argue that Utah had a better football team this year.

    I'm sorry this is hurting your precious egos, but that's just the way it is.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Hahahaha! We've got some serious blue-goggled dreamers out today. I love how each and every one of you has to try and spin the 3 point victory over Utah as something other than what it really is ... a game showing how very closely talented these 2012-13 rosters actually are.
    The funniest thing of all, it's you exact fans that continually claim that your football team is not only close to as good as Utah when BYU loses the close games to Utah, but you in fact claim your team is better! So which is it guys, you can't have it both ways?! Oh wait, you're BYU fans so you actually can have it both ways. LOL!
    Deal with it, Utah is nearly as good as your cougars this year and would compete similarly in the terrible WCC. I'm sorry this is hurting your precious egos so very, very much.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    agb, you may want to check how the topic of football got brought up before posting to save yourself the embarrassment of finding out after.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    BC- why do I have a feeling you've never played athletics before and spent your time in the math class???? You love statistics and rankings(which are worthless after the top 10- after that it is win/loss record no matter how mickey mouse your schedule is). That's why they play the game - If you win 3 out of 3 games in the last 3 years....you're better!Next year with a little harder schedule (still not as difficult as a PAC-12 schedule) will change your statistical and ranking banter. I'm sure you will then go back to the 1980's and a national championship win over a non-ranked team for your argument.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    Spokane ute:

    The fact you're talking football to avoid talking about basketball (the subject of the article) is the definition of spin.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    @motorbike

    You're struggling badly, let me help you. One game does not prove anything. Every year bad teams, like utah, have good games, while good teams, like BYU have bad games, and that results in a close game. In this case utah still lost for the 13th time in 14 tries and something like 8th or 9th in a row, I didn't look it up, but did manage to make it close for the 1st time in a very looooooooong time. Congratulations?

    utah currently, with a drastically inferior schedule, has a worse record than BYU, and lost to BYU head to head for the aformentioned however many times. No utah is not as good, is not nearly as good, is not close to as good, and is in fact drastically worse. They are in a weak conference and will still finish with a losing record, I'll be surprised if they win more than 4 pac12 wins.

    BYU will finish with 20+ wins, will play in the postseason, and of course still beat utah head to head for the umpteenth time.

    Hope that helps you but I doubt it will.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Spin This, which school has 3 times the amount of players as the other, currently in the NFL?"

    Spin This: Which school did BYU beat that had three of the first four players selected in that year's NFL draft, including the #1 overall pick?

    btw, projected first round draft pick, Star Lotulelei, wasn't even good enough to get U into a bowl this year or help you beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a winning record.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    motorbike

    A close loss/win doesn't necessarily prove that two teams are closely matched or that they'd have similar records if they'd played the same schedule.

    UCLA(10-3), a projected NCAA tourney team and a team that just beat #7 Missouri, LOST to Cal Poly(5-6), 70-68, a team that was DESTROYED by Saint Mary's, 86-68.

    Nothing was wrong with the sentence; it's simply your logic that's flawed.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Your football comparison is completely meaningless because the two teams played vastly different schedules. If the schedules were switched, logic would tell us that the records would switch as well..."

    Sorry, but there's absolutely no proof that switching schedules would have improved Utah's record.

    The Utes would have lost to Utah State, Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech, San Jose State, Oregon State, and, given Utah's penchant for losing games they're not supposed to lose (see 10-loss Colorado and UNLV), the Utes would have dropped one more game to finish with the same 5-7 record they had with their PAC schedule.

    -----------

    Spokane Ute

    You failed to explain how being a perennial conference bottom dweller in ANY conference in any sport makes U relevant.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    B C

    Any idea what's wrong with this sentence of yours?

    "[Utah] isn't even close to being able to compete with BYU, Saint Mary's, or Santa Clara, despite your close loss at BYU."

    That pretty much puts the pretty bow on this entire thread.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Riddle me this, what in the world does Ty Detmer have to do with Utah opening at Arizona State tonight?

    Absoultely nothing, just another BYU fan trying to justify there programs existence. I guess that happen when you are the nomad of college football.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Spin This, which school has 3 times the amount of players as the other, currently in the NFL? Which team has won 3 in a row and 8 of the last 11? Who's on who's thread trying to justify there schools relevance? Quick, to the time machine.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Would you care to explain the relevance of a perennial conference bottom dweller in ANY conference or sport?

    Your brief football BCS moments in the sun PALE in comparison BYU's decades of football accomplishments.

    When the BCS championship game is played next week, pay particular attention to the American Football Coaches Association National Championship Trophy that is presented to the winner. You'll find an identical trophy on display in BYU's Athletic Hall of Fame.

    When the National Football Foundation College Football Hall of Fame honors its latest group of of inductees at tonight's Sugar Bowl, BYU's Heisman Trophy winner, Ty Detmer, will be included in the group. BYU's sixth player so honored.

    No spin cycle needed; the facts speak for themselves!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    BC

    Your football comparison is completely meaningless because the two teams played vastly different schedules. If the schedules were switched, logic would tell us that the records would switch as well...

    No argument that BYU basketball has been better during the Rose era. Too bad BYU has nothing to show for it. Each team has one Sweet 16 appearance since 2005. Nobody cares about 20 win seasons, especially in the WCC. 14 seed last year (with 26 wins), and Rose has only been above a 7 seed once in all those twenty win seasons. For everything Rose has done BYU still has no respect.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    B C

    Something really humerous is a BYU fan, trying to explain there schools relevance, on a thread regarding PAC 12 basketball. Stay on topic guy! It's not our fault BYU has never, nor never will, play in a BCS bowl; or made the final 4. Deal with and accept it. Quick, now turn on the spin cycle!

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    motorbike

    I find it humorous that you could even remotely fathom Utah competing with the 2-4 spots in the WCC! A team that blew double-digit leads at home to Sac St and CSN isn't even close to being able to compete with BYU, Saint Mary's, or Santa Clara, despite your close loss at BYU. As often happens in close games like that, as soon as the superior team turned up the heated, the inferior team wilted under the pressure.

    It's even more humorous to watch Utah fan predicting the rise of Utah back to state of Utah prominence. No need to even think that Utah's there yet; the Utes are no where close to that happening anytime soon my friend...

    Hill is still so scared that he won't even schedule Weber State and Utah State.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Just Smiling

    It's obviously going to take awhile longer for Ute nation to come to grips with the reality that one game - in football or basketball - does not a season make, UNLESS that one game is THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game.

    Utah fans can console themselves with head-to-head wins and a close loss if it helps them sleep at night, but

    2011 - BYU(10-3), ranked > Utah(8-5), unranked
    2012 - BYU(8-5), bowl winner > Utah(5-7), no bowl

    Rose era - 6 NCAA tournaments, 7 20+ win seasons, and counting for 2012-13
    Utah - 1 NCAA tournament, 1 20+ win season, during the last 8 seasons, with no chance of improving on those numbers this season

    Only a Utah homer could look at those results and conclude anything other than BYU > Utah in football and basketball.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    Seriously byu fans....what satisfaction do you find in attacking a Utah football program that has beaten you 3 years in a row and a basketball team that you beat by 3 points while they are down and barely at the beginning point of rebuilding. When you watch top rated teams in bowl games and top rated basketball teams play each other you realize that both teams at both schools are mediocre at best. My opinion- Utah is a little better than BYU at football and BYU is a little better at basketball. Both of them are insignificant on the national elite level. These comments are like watching two 3rd stringers arguing who is best while the first stringers are playing.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    "BYU doesn't need a bunch of big men, banging it out inside is not how they play. They are a running up-tempo team and 6'7" guys that run are what they use."

    You actually nailed that one right on the head, congrats. The problem however is this, BYU will never win more than one game in the NCAA tourney without a heroic Jimmer-type effort, while playing the style and the personnel you just mentioned. I like Rose and I don't blame him for coaching the way he does due to the players he's recently had. But a deep run in the tourney isn't in BYU's future with what you've just described.

    I find it humorous that you can't fathom Utah competing with the 2-4 spots in the WCC even though the WCC has proven to be far worse this year than last year ... it's okay though, keep that delusion alive! It'll just be that much more enjoyable to watch Utah's rise back to state of Utah prominence. No I'm not saying Utah's there yet, but it's happening my friend ... sooner than you thought and still think.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    @ Ducky

    I stand corrected, BYU is fair at best. As opposed to popping off with nothing to back it up; I looked into BYU's "bubble status". Per bracketology, they are not in the field, or included in the last 8 out. Yeppers, that's fair at best. Always nice to see you on the Utah threads trying to pick an agruement though. It's always great to see you lose a debate, then laugh while doing so. I guess you have to laugh, since no one else does. Kinda weird and juvenille though.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    11:02, 11:09 am: extreme homerism combined with haterism at its finest. Sure, buddy, we'll see how that all plays out.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    @motorbike

    My argument to that statement is you are delusional. utah is not anywhere close to as good as BYU this year despite playing them close, and ultimately losing in embarrassingly inept fashion, their game. Playing one close game once a decade does not make them anywhere near as good. utah would not compete for 3rd or 4th in the wcc, they would compete for 9th or 10th. They are bad, they have played a bunch of bad teams and may have won their last game of the year. Personally I think they'll probably pull out a win or two against the worst pac12 teams but in reality that is the best you can hope for.

    It starts with a trouncing tonight and continues on for the next couple of weeks.

    Oh and who are the future NBA players on the utah team? I can think of at least 2 playing for BYU right now.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    @spokane dupe

    BYU is certainly not "horrible" although they are not as good as they have been the last few years. utah is "horrible" however. BYU is an NCAA bubble team but with haws and davies they can certainly make it. Regardless BYU will win 20+ game while utah may have won its last game this year. But I do apprecitate the "frantic and emotional" response you gave me.

    LOL!

    @stg

    Collinsworth is a 6'7" kid that can handle the ball, he is projected to maybe even be a point guard. hardly a "defensive role-playing wing player". Meanwhile BYU does have a couple of big men out on missions but BYU doesn't need a bunch of big men, banging it out inside is not how they play. They are a running up-tempo team and 6'7" guys that run are what they use.

    Not to mention Haws is a star in the making and only a sophomore. I would imagine he improves with each year and will be the center piece. They'll keep being a 20+ win NCAA team for the next decade at least. I know that hurts you.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "So is the BYU football team as good as Notre Dame?"

    The answer is no. First of all, Notre Dame was missing their starting quarterback against BYU ... kind of a big deal.

    That said, BYU was a very good defensive team this year and in my opinion they really aren't a ton worse than Notre Dame, so props to your Cougars. However, I also believe Alabama is about to lay a smack down on Notre Dame and we'll finally see that the Fighting Irish were pretty lucky to land in the Championship game. Just ask undefeated Ohio State. And ask Stanford the same thing, as Notre Dame was fortunate to win that game.

    So the bottom line is this ... BYU is good, and minus a Notre Dame starting quarterback they were close to AS GOOD as Notre Dame. Back to BYU and Utah basketball ... yes, this years Utah squad is every bit BYU's equal. I'd have no issue with someone stating that Utah would compete strongly for 2nd-4th in the WCC standing this year, just as BYU will be. Curious, what would your argument to that statement be?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Pac-12 primer: Zona's title to lose, according to Andy Katz

    Wins to brag about: Arizona over Florida in Tucson and then beating San Diego State in the Diamond Head Classic.

    Losses that sting: Sacramento State and Cal State-Northridge winning at Utah.

    Anticipated NCAA bids: Arizona, Oregon and UCLA

    Revised predictions:
    #1 Arizona - Zona's race to lose
    #11 Utah - improved, but still bottom of the PAC

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    How did this article turn from the woes of the Utes to bashing BYU? Get over it folks. Utah will still be the bottom dweller of the PAC 10.2 or of any conference in the country for many years. Let's leave them alone to suffer in silence.

    How did the big brother down south do in their bowl game and how did the Utes do in theirs? Oh, never mind.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    I find it amussing that BYU fans are on this thread bragging about there team. Actually, it's just the usual band of Haters. BYU just got dumped by 21 points against Iowa State. Gonzaga will crush BYU, both home and away. No tournament for BYU, they are horrible.

    Utah will finish in the middle of the conference. The PAC 12 is down this year. Sorry, but neither BYU or Utah are very good this year. That's reality, a concept BYU fans have trouble grasping.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    Duckhunter, so a defensive role-playing wing player will make up for a lack of post presence after Davies graduates? Pardon my skepticism, but I'm not that impressed.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    @stg

    "Are there some amazing players currently serving misions that I don't know about that will be returning soon?"

    Apparently so. Collinsworth for one. Remember him? The kid that turned down Stanford and half the other teams in the country to play for BYU.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    @motorbike

    So because utah managed to play, and still lose for the 13th time in the last 14 tries, a close game once in the last several years they are all of a sudden as good as BYU. Let me just say this

    LOL!

    So is the BYU football team as good as Notre Dame?

    You guys sure are easy to slap around. LOL!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    CFIT, "This is the weakest BYU team in the past 5 years, and likely the weakest one U will see for the next 5 years."

    What makes you think next year or the year after will be any better? You'll be losing your best big man in years in Davies, and is that entire 2013 recruiting class not expected to defer enrollment for two years? Anyway, I was told all year up until November that last year was the "rebuilding" season. Are there some amazing players currently serving misions that I don't know about that will be returning soon?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 1, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    re: Dave S - "I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12 in a higher seed in their conference than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play."

    You're joking, right? Even though the PAC12 is weaker than expected, Utah will still finish 10th, 11th or 12th. BYU will finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Four conference wins will be about all Utah can get. But that is better than last year. If Utah finishes above.500, the PAC12 is weaker than I thought.

    Playing teams like Willamette and College of Idaho did nothing to prepare U for your conference schedule. It simply over-inflated fans expectations.

    BYU is likely the only team U played that has a shot at dancing in March, and we are not a shoe-in. This is the weakest BYU team in the past 5 years, and likely the weakest one U will see for the next 5 years.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Dave S

    Dude, I'm a Ute fan through and through but lets not get ahead of ourselves. BYU could be one of the worst teams in the country and still have a decent shot at finishing 2nd in the WCC. Utah will be very fortunate to finish any better than 8th or 9th in the PAC-12 ... and that's being kind to our Utes.

    Duckhunter

    "Utah is the worst basketball program in a major conference in the entire nation. They are absolutely terrible."

    Yet your Cougars needed a 7-minute scoring drought by Utah to pull off the 3-point win - at home no less. So you're either saying that BYU would have about the same chances as Utah in regard to competing in the PAC-12, or that Utah, "the worst basketball program in a major conference", is still good enough to compete at the top of the WCC. Hmmm, based on that I guess we Utes should say thank you.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 1, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Re: Duckhunter

    You're hatred of anything Utah continues to cause you to make embarassing and ill-informed remarks. No, the Utes aren't back yet but even the casual BB fan can see that they are on their way.

    However, the fun of it is- the Utes will be playing in places like Pauley Pavillion and BYU will be tearing it up in the Slim Gym. ha! Enjoy your "exposure"- to 500 fans.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    Dave S says:

    In fact, I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12
    in a higher seed in their conference
    than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference
    is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play.

    "The whatever the conference is this year" is the same one
    that had more teams ncaa tourney last year than the PAC.

    And as far as Utah "being back" which one of the 8 wins on
    their schedule proves that?

    Any big names? Or are most of them from
    a "whatever conference?"

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Jan. 1, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    Hmm, just to interject a little sanity here Jason King in his article - Ten observations from 2012's final Saturday - on ESPN said "As bad as the Towson loss was for OSU coach Craig Robinson, who entered the season on the hot seat, it was even more damaging for the Pac-12, whose reputation was in shambles following a 2011-12 campaign so embarrassing that its regular-season champion (Washington) didn't even get an NCAA tournament bid. As if the Beavers' meltdown wasn't bad enough, the conference took another hit Saturday when Cal lost to depleted Harvard. At home. Arizona and UCLA may be better but, overall, this is still a very bad league. Sorry if that stings, but it is the truth. If the Pac-12 was good, then Cal and Oregon State wouldn't lose home games to Harvard and Towson, Arizona State wouldn't get blown out by DePaul, Washington wouldn't lose to Albany and USC wouldn't lose to UC-Irvine. Utah wouldn't lose to Cal State Northridge and ... well, you get the picture."

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Re: Duckhunter

    What Utah B-ball team are you talking about? Climb out from the plastic bubble and realize the Utes are on their way back and are doing it in much quicker fashion than most thought possible after last season!! This is the same Ute team that lead your mighty byu team almost the entire game only to blow it in the last two minutes.

    In fact, I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12 in a higher seed in their conference than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    @silent lurker

    "BYU would win the PAC 12 in basketball when pigs fly."

    Perhaps, but one thing we know for sure, utah will not win it. utah is the worst basketball program in a major conference in the entire nation. They are absolutely terrible. It must be a lot of fun for you following that program. LOL!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    That wonderful historical school called the U will finish last in the conference of chumps and would finish last in the WCC, WAC, MWC, and probably the Big Sky.

    Oh how the mighty (at least in their own eyes) have fallen!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 1, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    In the spirit of fair and balanced reporting, this article should have mentioned the caliber of the pre-season schedule. USC lost to teams like Illinois, Marquette, San Diego St, New Mexico and Nebraska. Utah beat teams like Willamette, Idaho St, College of Idaho, Texas State.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    BYU would win the PAC 12 in basketball when pigs fly.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    "USC just lost... Good thing for the pac that football is over."
    PAC football continues as Stanford plays tomorrow against Wisconsin, then Oregon plays Kansas State on Thursday.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 31, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    USC just lost... Good thing for the pac that football is over. I hear the name WAC will be available next year. Just thinking out loud.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    BYU would win the PAC 12 easily.