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Published: Monday, Dec. 31 2012 10:40 a.m. MST

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Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU would win the PAC 12 easily.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

USC just lost... Good thing for the pac that football is over. I hear the name WAC will be available next year. Just thinking out loud.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"USC just lost... Good thing for the pac that football is over."
PAC football continues as Stanford plays tomorrow against Wisconsin, then Oregon plays Kansas State on Thursday.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

BYU would win the PAC 12 in basketball when pigs fly.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

In the spirit of fair and balanced reporting, this article should have mentioned the caliber of the pre-season schedule. USC lost to teams like Illinois, Marquette, San Diego St, New Mexico and Nebraska. Utah beat teams like Willamette, Idaho St, College of Idaho, Texas State.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

That wonderful historical school called the U will finish last in the conference of chumps and would finish last in the WCC, WAC, MWC, and probably the Big Sky.

Oh how the mighty (at least in their own eyes) have fallen!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@silent lurker

"BYU would win the PAC 12 in basketball when pigs fly."

Perhaps, but one thing we know for sure, utah will not win it. utah is the worst basketball program in a major conference in the entire nation. They are absolutely terrible. It must be a lot of fun for you following that program. LOL!

Dave S
Holladay, UT

Re: Duckhunter

What Utah B-ball team are you talking about? Climb out from the plastic bubble and realize the Utes are on their way back and are doing it in much quicker fashion than most thought possible after last season!! This is the same Ute team that lead your mighty byu team almost the entire game only to blow it in the last two minutes.

In fact, I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12 in a higher seed in their conference than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

Hmm, just to interject a little sanity here Jason King in his article - Ten observations from 2012's final Saturday - on ESPN said "As bad as the Towson loss was for OSU coach Craig Robinson, who entered the season on the hot seat, it was even more damaging for the Pac-12, whose reputation was in shambles following a 2011-12 campaign so embarrassing that its regular-season champion (Washington) didn't even get an NCAA tournament bid. As if the Beavers' meltdown wasn't bad enough, the conference took another hit Saturday when Cal lost to depleted Harvard. At home. Arizona and UCLA may be better but, overall, this is still a very bad league. Sorry if that stings, but it is the truth. If the Pac-12 was good, then Cal and Oregon State wouldn't lose home games to Harvard and Towson, Arizona State wouldn't get blown out by DePaul, Washington wouldn't lose to Albany and USC wouldn't lose to UC-Irvine. Utah wouldn't lose to Cal State Northridge and ... well, you get the picture."

agb
Layton, UT

Dave S says:

In fact, I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12
in a higher seed in their conference
than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference
is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play.

"The whatever the conference is this year" is the same one
that had more teams ncaa tourney last year than the PAC.

And as far as Utah "being back" which one of the 8 wins on
their schedule proves that?

Any big names? Or are most of them from
a "whatever conference?"

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re: Duckhunter

You're hatred of anything Utah continues to cause you to make embarassing and ill-informed remarks. No, the Utes aren't back yet but even the casual BB fan can see that they are on their way.

However, the fun of it is- the Utes will be playing in places like Pauley Pavillion and BYU will be tearing it up in the Slim Gym. ha! Enjoy your "exposure"- to 500 fans.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Dave S

Dude, I'm a Ute fan through and through but lets not get ahead of ourselves. BYU could be one of the worst teams in the country and still have a decent shot at finishing 2nd in the WCC. Utah will be very fortunate to finish any better than 8th or 9th in the PAC-12 ... and that's being kind to our Utes.

Duckhunter

"Utah is the worst basketball program in a major conference in the entire nation. They are absolutely terrible."

Yet your Cougars needed a 7-minute scoring drought by Utah to pull off the 3-point win - at home no less. So you're either saying that BYU would have about the same chances as Utah in regard to competing in the PAC-12, or that Utah, "the worst basketball program in a major conference", is still good enough to compete at the top of the WCC. Hmmm, based on that I guess we Utes should say thank you.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

re: Dave S - "I predict the Utes will finish the Pac-12 in a higher seed in their conference than byu does in the WCC or whatever their conference is this year so let's talk at the end of conference play."

You're joking, right? Even though the PAC12 is weaker than expected, Utah will still finish 10th, 11th or 12th. BYU will finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Four conference wins will be about all Utah can get. But that is better than last year. If Utah finishes above.500, the PAC12 is weaker than I thought.

Playing teams like Willamette and College of Idaho did nothing to prepare U for your conference schedule. It simply over-inflated fans expectations.

BYU is likely the only team U played that has a shot at dancing in March, and we are not a shoe-in. This is the weakest BYU team in the past 5 years, and likely the weakest one U will see for the next 5 years.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

CFIT, "This is the weakest BYU team in the past 5 years, and likely the weakest one U will see for the next 5 years."

What makes you think next year or the year after will be any better? You'll be losing your best big man in years in Davies, and is that entire 2013 recruiting class not expected to defer enrollment for two years? Anyway, I was told all year up until November that last year was the "rebuilding" season. Are there some amazing players currently serving misions that I don't know about that will be returning soon?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

So because utah managed to play, and still lose for the 13th time in the last 14 tries, a close game once in the last several years they are all of a sudden as good as BYU. Let me just say this

LOL!

So is the BYU football team as good as Notre Dame?

You guys sure are easy to slap around. LOL!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

"Are there some amazing players currently serving misions that I don't know about that will be returning soon?"

Apparently so. Collinsworth for one. Remember him? The kid that turned down Stanford and half the other teams in the country to play for BYU.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, so a defensive role-playing wing player will make up for a lack of post presence after Davies graduates? Pardon my skepticism, but I'm not that impressed.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

I find it amussing that BYU fans are on this thread bragging about there team. Actually, it's just the usual band of Haters. BYU just got dumped by 21 points against Iowa State. Gonzaga will crush BYU, both home and away. No tournament for BYU, they are horrible.

Utah will finish in the middle of the conference. The PAC 12 is down this year. Sorry, but neither BYU or Utah are very good this year. That's reality, a concept BYU fans have trouble grasping.

Down under
Pullman, WA

How did this article turn from the woes of the Utes to bashing BYU? Get over it folks. Utah will still be the bottom dweller of the PAC 10.2 or of any conference in the country for many years. Let's leave them alone to suffer in silence.

How did the big brother down south do in their bowl game and how did the Utes do in theirs? Oh, never mind.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Pac-12 primer: Zona's title to lose, according to Andy Katz

Wins to brag about: Arizona over Florida in Tucson and then beating San Diego State in the Diamond Head Classic.

Losses that sting: Sacramento State and Cal State-Northridge winning at Utah.

Anticipated NCAA bids: Arizona, Oregon and UCLA

Revised predictions:
#1 Arizona - Zona's race to lose
#11 Utah - improved, but still bottom of the PAC

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