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Published: Friday, Dec. 28 2012 5:30 p.m. MST

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worf
Mcallen, TX

, Gifford Nielsen grew up in Utah.

Dick Harmon

Worf

Yes, Gifford grew up in Utah, but he has lived in Houston longer than he ever lived in Utah. He now serves as Area President for the LDS Church in Houston, Texas. He may have TV sports broadcaster and key figure in a lot of charities. BYU could use him as a resource.

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

I'll send this to a family in Austin with a 6'5" freshman right tackle and d-line. His three brothers will be about the same size. Loving Texas football in huge stadiums. Good coaching and discipline.

Jazzsmack
Holladay, UT

What BYU need to do is figure out how to recruit the premier blue chip LDS talent.

Year after year be it basketball or football, the premier talent goes elsewhere,

be it burgess, jacobsen, jabari, or ngata, or manti teo, among many others,

even a mark madsen or mark pope went else where,

it seems this way ever since they recruited sean covey over scott mitchell,

(and mitchell wanted to go to BYU!)

and were unable to hold on to shawn bradley or ben olson or pollard.

If they can't land the premier LDS talent or keep them, then what difference can they really make in texas? What has Apo done?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Careful Dick.

This is perilously close to critisism of BYU's program.

Such attitudes are frowned upon from within the BYU bubble.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Howard S.

Nope, nowhere near. This was merely fond memories and wistful thinking.

But thanks for visiting and sharing, as usual.

dumprake
Washington, UT

Dick, I hear you but your reasoning fails me. You mean if the Bingham high school players all moved to Texas, they would be better football players? And how do you explain Steve Young (Connecticut), or the long list of great players from Hawaii, and California, and...everywhere else? I'm all for recruiting the best players, but to simply point to Texas as the solution to all that ails BYU is odd reasoning. And if BYU recruits from all those LDS people who just moved to Texas, does that really make them Texans?

And then you need to do a followup article on all those "great" LDS athletes who did not go to BYU, but were not happy out there in the big bad world and either transferred later to BYU (after missions, etc), or did not thrive as a bench warmer in some other hotbed of football or basketball. If other schools are desperate to recruit Utah players, why should BYU go to Texas to find players?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I'd buy a house right across the street from Trinity High in Useless, TX and recruit all the LDS Tongans and Samoans that go there.

Bring Detmer in as the QB coach and that pipeline opens back up.

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

Having grown up in the middle of Texas football and raised my kids in it, let me answer a few questions from above. Yes, Texas football IS that much better.

1. Remember that incredibly great Bingham team that went down to Texas to play a very good Trinity team? Yes, Trinity smashed them 42 to 21 only because the 2nd and 3rd string Trinity players were on the field. Please note that there are about 10 to 15 5-A teams of that caliber every year that fight for the championship and about 30 more that are just a level under Tinity.
2. Football in Texas just does not start in Jr. High, Most players play full pads little league with very, very good coaches who train them to think and react like football players. Boys who join football in 7th grade in Texas are usually relegated to the B-teams.

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

3. There are many, many 4-A schools and on down that have incredible players too. Texas is loaded with players that can play Division 1 ball and there are many LDS players too.
4. Yes, if kids move to Texas from California or Washington or where-ever, they will be taught a very high level of football so that high level will be instinctive to the player.
5. I have seen personally several times players from Texas go to BYU football camp and dominate in all aspects and not get a chance at BYU. Why? these guys played with and competed successfully against some of the most elite college players in the USA when in high school.
I am a diehard BYU fan but BYU is missing the boat by not proactively recruiting from down here. I know several high school coaches who would love to have a BYU connection. I truly hope BYU is more active down in Texas in the future.

rafinsure
Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00

I think Coach Mendenhall and his staff have lost many of the recruiting connections Lavell Edwards used to take advantage of every season. Not only do the Cougars no longer have the strong presence of good Texas players, but also many from the islands. I would like to find out why Coach Edwards had such a broad recruiting pool and that is no longer the case with Coach Mendenhall.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

Don't forget the state of Florida. They also have a great football tradition in their high schools.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Those of you who question Texas high school football, don't know Texas high school football. I was blown away when I moved here a couple of years ago. I echo everything Lone Star Cougar said. I'll only add one other point - as a general rule, I think it's also easier to find non-LDS kids who won't find a problem with living the honor code than some other areas. The "Bible belt" teaches these values, just like Mormons do.

I also like Flashback's idea of bringing in Ty as QB coach. He would open doors to Texas, but it would also take pressure off Doman and let him focus on the big picture. With young, talented QBs coming in, we need someone who can focus on them.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Opening up a pipeline in Texas by bringing on a Texas connection to the coaching staff actually makes a lot of sense, same as having a Polynesian connection. There are great football players in the state of Utah, but it really doesn't compare to the gold mine that is Texas.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

While Texas has a gold mine of talent it is shortsighted to think that a roster full of Texans is going to just solve BYU's problems. Good players are good players regardless of where they are from. The University of Texas recruits 90% of their roster from Texas. Is the super duper amount of Texas talent solving their recruiting woes? Texas A&M made a slam dunk with Johnny Football but they still went 9-3. Heck Baylor got RGIII and they still went 9-3. So to think that Texas football players are the answer isn't necessarily the case. Ross Apo has taken awhile to develop and will probably be a good receiver, but guys aren't guaranteed freshman all-americans in college just because they are from Texas.

You might be familiar with a guy named Percy Harvin who was an elite triple-threat for the University of Florida. He was from Virginia. So good players are good players, whether they are from California, Florida Texas, the East Coast, wherever.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

Totally agree, but really the emphasis needs to shift a little more to offensive players. As we can see from the players that have committed in the last year BYU is doing okay recruiting defensive players because they see how good BYU's defense was this year. But I just don't see the good offensive players, likely for the same type of reasoning! What offensive player wants to play for a team that has struggled offensively for years? No great offense to go to, no great offensive coach, so no attraction for offensive players. I think it starts with a great offensive coach!

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

As I recall, the stadiums at junior high schools in Texas are much larger than the high school stadiums in Utah. And in Texas, they fill them with fans for the games.

Benhur
Everett, WA

Doesn't matter who you recruit if you don't change who designs the offense and who calls the plays. NFL ALL PRO players would be hard-pressed to win with lame offense & play calling we have now.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Is there some large untapped pool of LDS football talent in Texasm or is Dick Harmon suggesting recruitment of a bunch of non-LDS players? That sounds like selling your soul to obtain some football fame. Interesting value.
An 18 year old kid may think he understands the BYU honor code, but every year one or more prove they didn't fully get it. Sure, the news writes a story about the honor code, but is that really the national attention they want?

TheNun
Granstville, UT

Since most of the recruiting at byu occurs in Provo, at the MTC, it doesn't matter where they attended high school.

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