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Published: Thursday, Dec. 27 2012 6:10 p.m. MST

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GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

While I do not support this idea, I recognize that there is a distinct possibility it may be put into effect. My suggestion is to stage a mock disaster at an elementary school. Let those who think they are now prepared to protect students find out what it might be like in a true terrorist situation - with gunfire from an unidentified source, with 30 8-year-olds screaming and running around, with hysterical parents trying to enter the building to get their children, with all the uncertainity that can be similated. I believe they may find they are less prepared than they believe they are.

Swedish reader
Stockholm, Sweden

To a European, this seems beyond absurd. If teachers start carrying guns too, you might as well dismantle the whole educational system, hide in a bunker below ground and wait for the world to end. Is society turning into a giant shootout?! It would be better to concentrate on trying to make firearms less ubiquitous. The solution to a conflict is to calm things down, not to escalate it.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

To "justamacguy": In order to become POST certified, a law enforcement office must first complete and pass a 40-hour weapons handling class. The 16-hours is an annual refresher course

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I do not think the person who feels the need to carry a gun into a class room full of children is the kind of person to be a teacher. Teachers tend to be role models to the children they teach, control and befriend. Children often imitate the attitudes and mannerisms actions of teachers and other adults. That coupled with the extreme fascination of a gun and it’s use may be just the wrong thing to impose on the character building of children.

Rather than spend the money on guns, training and such, I would prefer that we spend the money on the revision of the structure of the school building. While letting teachers do the job they are hired for, the building and it’s controlled access handles the security part.

The part of the building for classrooms, teachers and students should not be accessible except by controlled access. As needed different parts of the building should also be controlled access. Likewise, the cafeteria, auditorium, playground, pickup and drop off areas, all need visual and controlled access.

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

Regardless of whether a teacher who goes through a course like concealed-carry class decides to carry a gun to school or not, it's still a good idea for teachers (and everyone) to be familiar with how to handle a gun. And I don't just mean how to fire it. I'm talking about how to make sure the safety is on, how to load/unload it and even how to dismantle it. I certainly don't think arming every teacher is the answer, but I think offering advanced training to some could be beneficial.

We can't always live in fear, expecting the worst, and we certainly can't let our children live their lives that way either. But we do need to make sure that we take appropriate precautions where we can. We need to look at the Sandy Hook incident, learn what we can, and adjust our school policies where necessary. Too many bad decisions/laws are made in the heat of moment. We need to take time to process everything, and look at things with more rational eyes.

TruthTalker
Crystal River, FL

Excellent! I love seeing this. Now the school systems need to allow teachers to carry firearms to school. They also should provide a lock box in each classroom so teachers can leave firearms in their class if they like. If school teachers are not responsible enough to handle this, then they are not responsible enough to have my children all day. I think safely driving a car is harder than safely handling a firearm. It is not really that hard like some people try to make it out to be.

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

I don't think the person that wrote this article actually took the 29 minutes to watch the actual NRA press conference. I'm actually convinced that very few of our media practitioners actually did so because they make outlandish comments about what the NRA "said" in that press conference and none of them are true. In the press conference the NRA basically said, "we need to do something to protect our children. Each individual school needs to come up with its own plan. We recommend armed guards. We think there are people with military and police training that would volunteer to do this kind of work." Shame on our media practitioners and ourselves for not being informed. Kudos to the schools for finally waking up and realizing the truth. How can we protect our kids with chalkboards and desks when the enemy, legally or illegally, has superior weapons, be they assault rifles, bombs made from household chemicals, knives, or expert knowledge of martial arts? We can't.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:GZE
" I believe they may find they are less prepared than they believe they are."

Uh, yeah.

For what are teachers going to do when the assailant shows up wearing a bullet-proof vest and helmet? Will the teachers also have Bushmaster's with high magazine capacity?

Are there any studies which show more guns and less regulation results in lower rates of homicide and firearm deaths?

IJ
Hyrum, Ut

"Giving a gun to a teacher is not going to protect the school. That gun will protect that teacher only (and hopefully a few students). If a teacher heard shots fired in the office, the LAST thing the teacher should do is leave the classroom. That leaves the students unprotected, which was the point in allowing the gun."

right - and that is why, if every teacher and staff member had a gun, they could protect their own little corner of the world, and the whole would be taken care of.

"School teachers with guns? How can that be good?"

If those Conn. teachers had guns there would have been fewer casualties. They could have taken care of the problem when it walked through their door.

"I hope any teacher who brings a gun to class is fired immediately, ..."

And I would hope your son or daughter's teacher would be able to give him a chance for survival.

No one in their right mind is crazy about this whole situation, but we must give our kids and teacher a chance at survival. And like has already been posted - many times they back down at the sight of a gun

bricha
lehi, ut

Noodlekaboodle:

I have one problem with your argument, if the person wants to kill himself chances are he is going to do it. My brother killed himself a few years ago he didn't have access to a firearm, but was able to do it just fine. Taking away peoples guns will not change their state of mind!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Unfortunately, when one lives in a society damaged by improper raising of so many children these things will happen. Until we fix this, willing teachers need to be armed.

Bandaid solutions wont help. If they did, China wouldn't have more school attacks than we do. Their people aren't allowed to own guns.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

A lawyer's dream.

Utah Teacher
Orem, UT

I've worked in several different schools here in Utah and I can say that there are only about one or two that I would trust with a gun. The thought of some of these teachers carrying a weapon is far scarier than a possible armed intruder. No, I'm not joking.

Knowsabunch
Ogden, UT

An art teacher at the school I teach at weighs in at 100 lbs...maybe. She is also the one that is most outspoken about the need for teachers to have guns. Our middle linebacker is 250 lbs, and a little crazy. What would happen if he wanted to take her gun? What if a whole group of kids ganged up on her? Schools are no place for guns, except for police officers. Period.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The answer is clearly that we all need to pack heat. In fact, lets make teachers eligible for combat pay, those who are willing to get a "concealed carry" permit and use it. And those who carry a "semi-automatic" weapon to school will get bonus pay. Talk about a perfect lead-in or advertisement for home schooling, this is it.

I Bleed Blue
Las Vegas, NV

Hope the state of Utah is ready for the multiple million dollar law suit that comes from the first 'accidental' shooting in a school. It is not a question of 'if' but when.

HotGlobe
SAN RAFAEL, CA

"There's two different kinds of guns: guns in the good guys' hands and guns in the bad guys' hands," No, guns change hands and they work the same either way.

Disturbed children fascinated by guns will figure out who is packing and will appreciate that the teacher got the gun into the school for them. Now all they need to get started on mass murder is a heavy book to the back of that teacher's head. Seriously folks, don't we have a better idea than pouring gasoline on the fire?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I do agree that more shooting training is appropriate. The problem? No ranges here in Salt Lake, except the cop ranges can give that type of training. A Hogan's alley at Lee Kay could help remedy that situation. OR give the public better access to the Sheriff's range or the SLC PD range, or the Murray PD's indoor range. After all, the taxpayers own those ranges. They should be able to use them any time they want.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I have a question for those of you who think teachers at high schools or students at public universities should be able to concealed carry to help improve safety...

if that really did help safety, then shouldn't we be peacefully petitioning private church schools in the state like BYU to change their policy against guns on campus?

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

In the past 30 years homicides in this nation have dropped in half. Europe has not seen a drop in homicides when they put in strict gun laws. In England gangs are armed so now the Bobbies are carrying weapons. On the other hand incidents with those having concealed permits are very rare. Every home should have a gun and any teacher that wishes to carry. If I were a teacher I would want to protect my students.

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