I have been paying $7.50/gal for milk for the past 3 years. I get sick drinking
the cooked, homogenized, pus-filled milk in the grocery stores, so I bought a
share in a cow that's part of an organic food co-op here in Michigan. The
animals are pastured in all except the coldest weather, are grass-fed and cared
for by a family who loves them. I pay what it costs to produce the milk, not the
government-supported artificially low price for adulterated, unhealthy milk and
milk-products from the local mega-mart. My milk, cheese, yogurt and kefir are
pure, wholesome and safe, and I have paid a fair price for them. We don't
have a lot of money, as we live on my husband's disability income, but we
are healthier, as is our local economy.
John Brown,I'm not sure where you get your information, and how
you classify a "subsidy," but half of the items you mention directly
consume "subsidized" products. The other two items are
indirectly related to subsidies, too.All farm land is connected
insomuch that each individual farm can raise a certain set of crops, which
affects other crops' availability and price.You don't have
to convince me of the evils of subsidies, as I mostly agree with your position,
but I don't think many here really understand the other position, nor do
many here understand how all agriculture is connected.As a farmer
who has visited farms of all sizes in other states and countries (Central
America and Japan) I probably have a bit above average idea of how
interconnected farms are not only here (in our country, across state lines), but
internationally.Personally, I'm "OK" with the thought
of no agricultural subsidies. As a farmer, I'll be better off. But bear in mind that removing agriculture subsidies is no panacea for our
society, there will be other problems to deal with that most anti-subsidy
posters on here do not comprehend.
Fear Mongering at the very least is what this is article is. They need to tell
the truth. Gov. Subsidies shore up the price of milk to keep Dairy Farmers from
going bankrupt from low milk prices. The Gov. keep the price of milk over $3 a
gallon by buying up milk for schools and they used to distribute free cheese to
the poor and low income. If the Gov quits paying the subsidies milk prices will
drop like a rock and a lot of Dairy Farmers will be hauling their cows to
slaughter to reduce production. It happened before and not all that many years
ago. They will flood the market with hamburger because dairy cows aren't
that good for meat production.
Hey Utah, if this happens, you can blame your Republican Congressmen and
Senators. When they fail to vote to keep tax cuts for those making
less than 250k per year, you can "thank" these men who represent your
interests again!But, on the other hand, when milk costs $6 to $8 per
gallon, and taxes go up by $2,000 per year, Utahans will see that their
interests are NOT best represented by the right wing politicians we as a state
have elected. Then the next time around, they'll be out of office. Myself, I can't wait for that.
While we are getting rid of subsidies how about we get rid of the oil subsidy
to! I say if we need capitalism for farmers we need it for oil barons too!
What does the top 1% have to do with the economy? Its the other 99% who believe
socialism and poverty will fix the economy. Say the top 1% gives all their
weatlh of $800 billion to government in the first year, its not enough to cover
the $1.6 Trillion dollars expense account of the president. Who will
be the next layer of wealth to make pay more taxes after all the rich have had
theirs taken from them, etc, etc, etc? Anyone working with a job is a volunteer
sharing poverty and no money to tax and repaying it all for their "volunteer
training loan" Obama loaned to you (AmeriCorps).The price of a
gallon of milk or gas or can of vegetables begins with tax and subsidy cuts
feeding inflation and profiteering. Sure, for a billion dollars a year I'd
do everything to diversify and thin out a commodity (water down milk) to extend
its size and make it look like we have more than there is. Milk fat (3.2%) is
proving to be a necessary component for good health as whole milk is recommended
for babies and children now.
This is why, so many of our rural people are constantly driving new four wheel
SS-"I don't think anyone realizes everything that milk is in. If
milk prices go up, EVERYTHING goes up. Whether you drink milk or not, something
you eat or drink will go up, guaranteed!!"Quit eating processed
food and you don't have to worry about it. Fruits and veggies do not
contain any milk.
Chip2,2/3rds of all farm production--including fruit, vegetables,
beef, and poultry--are not subsidized and do just fine. When was America last
brought to its knees by fluctuations in the price of chicken? Or broccoli? Or
apples?Who cares if a bag of Cheetoes goes up or down? Or Sugar Corn
Pops? America produces far more food than it can eat. We export tons. We are in
no danger of not having enough food. If corn is high, we can switch to eating
more potatoes or rice or whatever. If sugar goes up, well, I for one can stand
to eat a little less sugar. Pass the honey instead, please. The
Heritage Foundation published an article "How Farm Subsidies Harm Taxpayers,
Consumers, and Farmers, Too" that provides some interesting reading.
Ultimately, subsidies seems to have become nothing more than a handout for votes
Those that oppose subsidies (like I typically do) need to think of what will
happen to the agriculture industry when it runs subsidy-free.If you
think the swings in fuel prices are bad, just wait until there is a real food
shortage. The drought in the midwest is nowhere near a food shortage, corn
prices nearly doubled, but there is still plenty available and enough to go
around. What I'm talking about is a REAL food shortage.Maybe
some of you real smart folks could look up how much food typically cost in past
history.Remember how high lettuce went a few years ago after frost
damage? And lettuce isn't even a typical staple, it has many substitutes,
and is more of a luxury consumption item.As a farmer, I oppose
agriculture subsidies. They limit my ability to really "clean up" in a
shortage. As a citizen, I believe they offer stability to society.
$20 billion each year goes to Federal farm subsidies, corn getting the
lion's share. Wikipedia has a nice breakdown. Let's put
that in perspective. 20 billion is the annual state budget for all of the
following states combined:* Utah* Nevada* Idaho*
ArizonaYou could subsidize the whole budget of all those states--no
more state income, sales, and property taxes for those folks--with the money we
give to farmers to guarantee high prices for farmers of the subsidized products.
Not to mention the non bio-degradable garbage piling in landfills from Trillions
of plastic milk jugs![I boggles my mind that Utah FINALLY just woke
up out of the 1970's and started recycling less than a couple of years
ago...]BTW - I thought Conservatives were the Campions of
cutting Government entitlements, and Free Markets?What - you mean to
tell me that all along they were really nohting more than just a bunch of
The subsidies that have kept milk so cheap so long, along with other food items,
are one of the reasons people don't think enough before having eleven
children. Food costs need to be much more transparent from production to fork.
Stop subsidizing consumers, and especially producers. Let the money flow through
the system and the farmers that can make a living running their production
business based on that cash flow will survive. Get rid of the entitlements in
Let it happen... Then we are back to what the Democrats started in the first
place. If Bush was so bad why do Democrats want to keep his tax cuts?
Less dairy, less fat people.
I say this is great! Maybe folks like this will learn that kids don't
actually need over a gallon of milk every week, and/or that you should make sure
you can afford 11 kids before you have them. (I'm all for bringing kids
into good homes, but there's a line between that and being irresponsible.)
Maybe the dairy industry (along with the other farm industries, oil, etc) will
learn how to actually compete with one another to the consumer's advantage.
The "fiscal cliff" is nothing more than the nasty stepchild of our
nanny-state policies we've been clamouring for over the past 80 years or so
coming back to haunt us. The longer we try to "compromise" and borrow
more time, the worse it's going to be. So I say bring it on! Lets get it
over with. Maybe it will force people to relearn how to manage finances, become
self sufficient, and cease our dependence upon a bloated federal government for
our daily living.
The hypocrasy and double-standard of Conservatives is astounding to say the
least!They rant and rave daily 24/7 about Government spending, the
deficiet, entitlements, ect.Then when it comes cut Federal Spending
- no Sacred Cows, and look at everything including things like:Social
Security, Medicare, Oil Subsides, Milk Subsidizes, Grain
Subsidies, and the Foreign Wars they start with no intention to ever pay
for........They go freakin' ballistic!Now
wonder the GOP can't get anything done in Congress, There is
absolutely no consistancy with ANYTHING they say or do.
@Flashback"When no one buys it, the price will go back down to a
reasonable level due to economics 101 kicking in."No it
won't, because I'm sure what you consider a "reasonable level"
is still significantly below the level farmers would need to make just to break
even and if farms aren't seeing any net income, they aren't going to
stay in business very long so they won't do that.
It's time for America to pay the price for their frivolous living and
outstanding national debt. Lets just take the old elephant/donkey out back and
If milk were just for drinking then a lot of the proposals here would fly, but
dairy goes into a much broader usage, think butter, baking, cheese, an a host of
other products that use dairy. I am impressed that JSB has taken the problem
into his own hands with a solution using goats. Too bad that there is such a
limited situation (space, zoning, etc.) that more couldn't participate. I
love my neighbors who raise chickens and bees along with their gardens, but I
doubt there are many who could be truly self sufficient if the need arose. Time
to start realizing what needs to be done.
We don't need a another stinking farm bill. Let the milk producers
experience the law of supply and demand. I'm sick of my tax dollars
supporting them and I do not have to drink milk. When no one buys it, the price
will go back down to a reasonable level due to economics 101 kicking in. While
we are at it, take away the subsidies for turning crops into Ethanol to put into
gas. Our gas would get cheaper, the cost of feed would be cheaper and we would
all benefit. So would the environment. Let's let the farmers grow food
not gasoline additive.
I suspect that the lady who goes though 14 gallons of milk voted GOP to return
Hatch and a GOP representative to congress, so that they could support the 1% in
their lifestyle and say no to anything that would benefit the middle class. Now
she complains that she is facing the results of her vote. Why should any of us
be spared the consequences of our decisions, including those made in the voting
Most non-political comments so far have focused on basic, white liquid Milk that
pours into your cup or cereal bowl. (EarlofHemsly-powdered milk=dried milk,
Duh.) Rising milk prices will raise the price of powdered milk.What
about the price of milk products used daily? When saying "I don't drink
Milk"&"find alternatives like soy/rice milks" are you also
saying you never eat/use milk derivative foods - No butter, ice cream, sour
cream, yogurt, cheese (on pizza, sandwiches, salads, pasta, Mexican, nachos,
pastries...)? If milk prices increase, prices for all products using milk will
increase. (Plus-Increased production costs of second generation products=higher
rate of increase)Have you ever to go to a restaurant that uses no
dairy in food prep and service?Even products you don't think
about. Read some ingredient lists. Anything containing "Whey" will rise
in price. "Whey" is a milk by-product of cheese making.No, I
am not a Dairy farmer or from a farming tradition. The closest I have ever been
to a cow is to have driven by the beef finishing lot that use to be located on
the west side of I-15 in the Sandy -Draper area
Patriot -- absolute, unadulterated nonsense.
@patriot"we crossed that line on Nov 6 2012. We are now in a place we
have NEVER been before since our constitution was signed in 1776."I don't mean to alarm you but... Obama has already been president for 4
years. We are quite literally in the same place we've been in since 2011
when Republicans took the house and Obama has less capability of getting stuff
done than he had in 2009-2010.
I don't think anyone realizes everything that milk is in. If milk prices go
up, EVERYTHING goes up. Whether you drink milk or not, something you eat or
drink will go up, guaranteed!!
re:one old manYou forgot the biggest danger we face -> Barack
Hussin Obama! Ever watch the movie "Clear and Present Danger"? When you
cross the line into socialism there is no going back my friend and we crossed
that line on Nov 6 2012. We are now in a place we have NEVER been before since
our constitution was signed in 1776. Want to see what awaits you and your kids
in 5 years? Take a look at Greece today. Closer to home take a look at
California where workers are paid with IOU's.
Michelle Obama says milk is bad for you anyway so just use water on your Lucky
Charms...no problem. If Milk goes to $8 a gallon then what about the rest of
your food bill? No worries mates - plenty of high paying jobs on the horizon
courtesy of the Obama jobs plan for 2013 - - the one that raises taxes through
the roof for small business. As you pour water on your Frosted Flakes and wait
for your unemployment check to arrive be content in knowing that the rich are
now paying their fair share - makes it all worth while!! Remember YOU voted for
this and it's for only 4 more years. "Stupid is as stupid
does" (Forest Gump)
I spent 2 years in southEast Asia.Never drank milk once.Aside
from Mother's milk, 2 Billion people in the world live dairy free
their entire lives.Perhpas it's about time we stop having
government subsiding things like Gas and Milk -- let the true price come
to light, and let the Free Market decide.It would be a
Conservative dream come true...
I say it's time to stop all of the agricultural subsidies that exist in
this country. Would it be hard on the farmers of America, of course, but that is
part of business, they would find ways to produce their product and turn a
profit. Sugar subsidies are the true culprit but milk as well.Let the American
people decide if they want to pay the true price of milk and stop using taxpayer
money to subsidize that cost.
Well, Ernest T., you already know the answer to your question: It is because
the Federal Government is involved that things are "backwards."And we are NOT running out of oil. What have have run "out of" is the
capacity to refine the oil we have and are able to produce domestically. The
oil companies know this and love it when one of their refineries goes
"off-line" for any reason as they use that for an excuase to jack up
prices.Maybe zoning laws should allow everyone to have a milk
cow----is that the solution?
One more thought, Shimlau. If we take a close look at why the 1917 Revolution
turned into what it became, do we need to look at the role of greed there,
too?Thanks to our Constitution, America has been a place where a
pendulum swings from one side to the other -- but by doing so it helps us find
wisdom. Any time anything interferes with the freedom of that pendulum of
public opinion and national policy to swing as it must, we are in danger.There is another major difference between Americans now and the Russians
of 1917. Most of us are quite well educated. At least when compared with the
mostly illiterate citizens of Russia at that time.I believe -- or
hope -- that between the boundaries and guidance set by our Constitution and the
common wisdom of millions of better educated Americans, we will survive.But if we allow extremists -- or overdoses of entertainment that seem to
prevent so many of us from thinking -- to take over our country, we will be
great danger. Greed is only one of many threats we face. Powerful special
interests are another.
I don't know whether to be impressed that most of you all are consistent on
a position that really is the most socialist thing the gov't does... or
disgusted by the amount of hatred for milk.
Good news. So far, the government can't force us to buy milk...only health
Would you pay $8 for a gallon of kool-aid? Once you are past the age of about
20, you get the same benefit from either one--which is to say, not much. Adults,
raised on milk, continue to drink it because they simply like the way it tastes.
So, if milk does go to $8/gallon, drink water. Or fruit juice.
What? The Farm Bill expired?Time to bring home all the missionaries who
don't have papers.I know, there's not supposed to be a link
between immigration enforcement and the farm bill. But there is, thanks to
church lobbyists and Senator Bennett.Actually, it's time to stop the
rider ammendments to bills that have nothing to do with the subject of the bill
itself.Maybe then CONgress would take their work seriously.
No, Shimlau, there is a big difference between "free enterprise" that is
conducted ethically and that is conducted for selfish, greedy reasons.When "free enterprise" seeks to gain profit without regard for others,
it becomes a matter of greed.Remember the time when businesses and
business owners looked to the long-term good not only of themselves, but for
their workers as well?We need look only at recent history in America
to see some very stark differences that are now changing the face of our very
nation. Anyone who is not very concerned with the current obsession with short
term profit without regard for the common good of all of us, is, in my opinion,
unworthy of the title American.What really built this nation was the
hard work and sweat of common people.Given a long and brutal history
of pogroms and brutal suppression of the common folks, the revolution of 1917
that took down the Czar was well deserved. The problem was that even the
revolutionaries lost sight of their goal. I'm afraid that Americans may be
losing sight of the goals we set back in 1776.
Very simple. Get the government out of the market. Milk prices will react to
supply and demand. Guess what? People can use alternatives such as soy and rice
Perhaps we need to realize what things truly cost and adjust our lifestyles
accordingly. Farmers, like the rest of the country, need to make a living. Are
subsidies really the answer? Maybe we should pay the real price of milk and stop
consuming so much refined sugar. Maybe the family $ should go towards the most
nutritionally sound and basic foods first, like they did for most of history.Or perhaps this is the way the world ends . . . not with a bang, but a
Remove the subsidies and let the market function as intended. Milk should not be
a staple of the American diet, it is not a healthy source of calcium nor any
other vitamin/mineral, seek alternatives.
re:MountanmanSpot on!! The entitlement crowd could care less since
they live off the rest of us anyway. Doesn't matter what Milk prices go to
or what taxes are raised to - this crowd doesn't pay taxes and they get
their "Obama money" at the welfare office so who cares. If Milk goes up
they just get more food stamps...no problem..and we foot the bill. Mitt spoke of
the 40% crowd that he couldn't reach because they have no reason to care.
As for the real working class in America who DO pay taxes and who DO have to
earn the money they use to buy milk then they are in a world of hurt. The Obama
answer - just CREATE this phony fiscal cliff which is intended to jack up taxes
for all wage earners middle class included OR avoid the fiscal cliff by having
taxes raised on the job creators and small business owners. Either way Barack
takes another BIG step toward wealth redistribution and socialism and America
watches their freedom slip away. One day in the not too distant future you will
read stories to your grandkids about home ownership - good ole days.
one old man: Milk is just one more symptom of an economic system that is
spinning toward the bottom thanks to the domination of our lawmakers by too many
financially powerful special interests that place greed before the common good.
In 1917 a group of people used this same mantra to abolish a monarchy and
install their own government in Russia. The Bolsheviks went on to nationalize
all of the business, including health care, and agriculture. In the
1960's, Kruschev said "...we will bury you...". Just prior to the
collapse of the Soviet Union, they were feeding their people from grain that
they bought from the United States. Defectors, and others from the East Block,
were astounded at what could be bought in the grocery stores of the US. The
only productive farms in the USSR were very small private plots. I may be
misreading you, and maybe you don't mean 'private enterprise'
but, to make a profit, doesn't make one 'greedy'. Also, this
'greed' has given the world the best standard of living it has ever
Why should I be subsidizing milk drinkers anyway? It's really quite
simple. If you want to drink milk bad enough pay $8 a gallon. If you
can't afford it then don't drink milk. There, problem solved.
Contrary to government brainwashing you don't have to drink milk to be
If Milk is ever $8/gallon at the store, I'm switching out to an
alternative. Soy milk costs that much, and neither does powdered milk. The only
time my family drinks milk is for breakfast cereal and cookies.
I'm pretty much a middle of the road person, but the farm programs do need
to end. The price will spike until the market finds itself.I don't
Midwest Mom, in case you haven't already noticed, much of our food supply
already comes from overseas. If we keep doing that to ourselves, we'll
soon be in the same pickle with food that we are now in with oil.Worf -- stop and actually think for a moment before making a comment like
that.MM -- remember that you could be just one job loss, one health
crisis, or one accident away from food stamps yourself unless you happen to be
one of one percent.Milk is just one more symptom of an economic
system that is spinning toward the bottom thanks to the domination of our
lawmakers by too many financially powerful special interests that place greed
before the common good.
As long as you are getting food stamps, no problem!
I see a recurring theme in this article:"The farm bill expired
three months ago. Unless CONGRESS passes legislation renewing federal support
for agriculture programs, milk prices could spike to between $6 and $8 per
gallon, according to some estimates.""CONGRESS is at an
impasse over how much to cut food stamps, how much the government should
subsidize crops and debate over how dairy prices should be stabilized.""Unless CONGRESS resolves the stalemate over the farm bill by the
end of the year, the federal government would have to follow a 1949 law that
would require the U.S. Department of Agriculture to buy milk at roughly twice
the current market price to maintain a stable market."So when
Boehner cannot rally his caucus and cannot get the sufficient votes needed, we
know who to blame. CONGRESS
Yep, it already costs $8 a gallon. Did you get your socialist milk today?
I'm so disappointed in rural america that cries against the evils of
socialism yet is the largest benefactors.
There is a tea party that demands you drink their beverage.
Got you really scared huh? The real truth is that the layers of middlemen in
commodoties and consumer products and exporting are the really scared brokers
and profiteering in the US. Its time to end all food subsidized
government spending. If the real facts were made public the fiscal cliff and
removing subsldies can lower the cost of milk and other food products.For every commodity subsidized it creates many layers of profiteers and
racketeering falsifying the truth and data of this countries products that need
to be abolished to get a real valuation and costs reductions. Inflation on each
level of billionaire broker adds excess cost and economic inflation.The brokers are adding fear and scare lies to imply these accusations. Farmers
and consumers are not profiteering, its the many layers of brokers driving
inflation and cost up. Lack of money just removes a layer of profiteering and
cheaper consumer prices.The downfall of deflating an economy with
lower prices is that it drops sales tax revenue to local government who are the
next level of crime to limit and put under control.
Milk already costs $8/gallon. Yes, already. Subsidies
hide the true cost. If the cost would go to $8/gallon that means we're
already paying $8/gallon now. It's just that the farmers have a nifty way
of getting the extra $5.50--they put it into the Federal budget and force the
rest of us to pay it. Subsidies force the transfer of money from one
group of people to another via taxation and redistribution. No more
force. Let Americans choose. If we value milk so highly, we'll
pay for $8/gallon in the supermarket. If not, we shouldn't be forced to buy
it through hidden means. Our food supply is in no danger whatsoever.
Furthermore, the true cost would drop because we'd start importing cheaper
milk from abroad, substitute other products that would work just as well, and
switch production to farmers who can produce it more cheaply. The spike would
come and go. Same with subsidies for sugar and corn etc. Subsidies
force all American people to buy things at high prices. All because these
farmers think the rest of America owes them this particular job at a particular
In a great nation as ours,---why can't at least ninety percent of people
Why would a completely renewable resource like milk cost more than twice the
amount of gasoline when we're running out of oil? The prices are backwards
from what they should be.
The Congress has "milked" the population for centuries, so why not the
farmers? After all, gas at almost $4 a gallon around the calendar is ok with
most folks, so why not ratchet up the cost of milk? After all, in Hawaii in
2004 milk was $8 a gallon. Now will it be $25?
A few years ago we bought a couple of goats and have had delicious and healthy
goat's milk since then. They don't take much room; they are a lot of
fun; and they are a great alternative to $8/gallon milk. Maybe in addition to
chickens in the back yard, we'll now see a few more backyard goats!
This one's a no-brainer. Having a stable food supply is probably the
greatest national defense. For food staples to spike at the same time that
everyone's income will be cut is a recipe for recession. See farms fail,
see foreign interests swoop in to buy the breadbasket.