Fred44, the Republicans made two concessions.It's both their
faults. As our leader, it's on Obama's shoulders, and I can see him
let us go over, so he can claim the Republicans did it. He can't work with
others, instead he gets frustrated and uses executive orders.
VST,Simple answer, right now today, the problem is not the democrats
its the republicans. You wanted to rehash old history, so I told you what I
believe, and I believe the democrats and the republicans both own this mess. As
I mentioned in another post in a different article, if I had my way, every last
one of the them would be gone and yes that includes the President.But lets live in the here and the now, in a couple of days over the cliff we
go, and do the democrats deserve some blame for that, you bet they do. But the
plain simple truth is the republicans unwillingness negotiate, to give a little
on taxes is what is going to push us over the cliff. You can
disagree, and I may be wrong. You can blame the President and the democrats and
not King Grover and the republicans that is certainly your right. I am fairly
confident that the majority of the American people outside of Utah will hold the
republicans in the house responsible whether that is fair or not doesn't
really matter, because it is reality.
That's ridiculous. I read that opinion column too. First of all, I think
you need to get elected to the House of Representatives, and need to have some
senority before being considered for Speaker.Second of all,
Huntsman, Jr., is too intellectual for most people to understand what he's
saying. I wasn't smart enough to understand most of what he said during
debates. His best line was, "I thought 9-9-9 was the price of a pizza."
Other than that, he lost me.
sanpaco "This is dumb, why are we even talking about this? He's not a
member of the House of Representatives."I agree. Congress
can't get anything done by agreement now. How will they ever agree on an
outsider to be Speaker, even if it is possible legally?
This is dumb, why are we even talking about this? He's not a member of the
House of Representatives. We might as well be speculating about what it would
be like to have Superman as Secretary of State.
My, J Jr will be a busy man.So far he's been tapped by the local
press to become:Secretary of StateSpeaker of the HousePresident of the 2026 OlympicsReplacement for Batman
VST,I agree that the Senate should have given the House budget an up
or down vote. Don't misunderstand, I do not hold democrats blameless. I
would hope that you would also criticize Mr. Boehner for not allowing his plan B
to come up for an up or down vote. Both parties are playing politics and are
willing to further damage an already weak economy to make their respective
political points.Mr. Boehner and the President were very close to an
agreement. Why not continue to negotiate, bring something back that each side
likes a little and dislikes a little and put it to a vote? By Mr.
Boehner stopping negotiations because he couldn't get all the republican
votes in the house to pass the legislation he allowed the vocal minority to
bring the process to halt. You say that the republicans in the house
shouldn't be the Presidents lapdog, again I agree with you. But I would
also say that they shouldn't be Grover Norquist's lapdog either and by
signing his pledge that is what they have become.
I would support Jon Huntsman Jr. if I had a vote to cast on it
Although I have mixed feelings about Governor Huntsman, he would be an awesome
Secretary of State with either party.
VST - 7:45 p.m.Thanks for saying exactly what needed to be said.
Some people will never understand how things are supposed to actually work in
I thought Huntsman to be a good governor. I would rate him behind Scott
Matheson and Calvin Rampton.
I'm afraid the only good solution will take a little while longer. People
now see how divisive and dysfunctional it is to let the extremes of each party
set the agenda. It's time for the majority of us voters to regain control
of our parties and bring them closer to the center. Opinion polls have already
shown that neither party's current platforms are popular with the majority.
Yet we continue to delay expressing our opinions until the party caucuses are
over, and by then it's too late.We have two choices--more and
earlier participation or further decline.P.S. Notice how few
moderate opinions there are among these responses? Where are all my good
This is a ridiculous story. Norm Ornstein is a well-known liberal Democrat
activist who has taken up residence in a left-leaning "think tank." He
views it as his job to stir the pot and criticize Republicans and jab them at
every chance. Huntsman would be a disaster as Speaker. The majority in the
House should be able to vote for and select their own leaders from within. Not
some outside groups foisting the flavor "du jour" onto them.Huntsman was a divisive governor. He seems to revel in it for his own
publicity (dare I say, Narcissist?). This is a non-story and has a
zero percent chance of happening. THe majority can select their own speaker,
and Huntsman is definitely not it.
I voted for and helped campaign for Jon Huntsman Jr for governor. I was
disappointed when he left office to become ambassador to China, but I felt that
it was an great opportunity for him and I understood why he chose that path.
Then after a short time as ambassador he decides to resign to pursue other
opportunities such as running for President of the United States of America. I
couldn't understand why a man who spent little time as a governor and
resigned and spent little time as an ambassador and resigned felt he was
qualified to be President of the United States. He has the mentality of someone
who is used to getting what he wants or doing what he wants to do when he wants
to do it. That's not how the rest of us operate. We work our way up to
things through years of planning and slogging. I guess if you have money life
is different. You decide you want a car, you go buy it. You decide to go to a
prestigious school, you go. Be president, no problemo. Until he decides
Ideology presents a huge danger to this country. Both sides push a "my way
or the highway" agenda and philosophy. What we really need in leadership is
competence - someone that get the job done. The system of checks and balances
will make sure no one political philosophy destroys our country unless
everybody, executive, legislative and judicial, along with the electorate, gives
its approval. Huntsman has shown he can get things done. Boehner and Obama have
not shown that. Let's get something in place that works!Meanwhile, a viewing of the film, "Lincoln," reminds us of how dirty
politics can be. Toward the end, Thaddeus Stevens (a conservative Republican, by
the way) states: "The greatest measure of the 19th century was passed by
corruption, aided and abetted by the purest man in America." I really hope
that nobody on either side of the present issue would want to repeal the 13th
Amendment. All this hand-wringing about the demise of the American
nation is ideological nonsense. America is culturally and economically what the
rest of the world wants to be. China, for all their problems, at least
recognizes that without the United States, they become a backwater, 3rd-world
Ladies and gentlemen, take it from someone who was forced to live through it: J.
Jr. is a Schwaganeggaer (?) Republican. I think he would roll over for whatever
the Dems are pushing, which, in my humble opinion is to let the country go over
the imaginary fiscal cliff just to see if they can finish off the
Republicans.I think the only people in Washington who are willing to
stick to their principles are the Tea Party folks. They are toeing the line
their constituents have drawn in the sand with no intention of crossing it at
all. Good for them.
Huntsman has traded on his father's good name long enough, and he can only
do that in Utah. Sorry libs, it won't work in the rest of the country, even
though the msm loved him. The only Supreme Court Justice from Utah,
Justice Sutherland, said " ... the saddest epitaph which can be carved in
memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed
to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time."Is it too
No thanks. Furthermore, Boehner is not the problem in Washington. How is it that
he is blamed for not compromising or able to work with the democrats? Any
reasonable human can see that Obama and his lap dog from Nevada never
compromise. Watch and learn, people!
VST,Understand it hasn't happened and probably never will. The
point was it could. As to the chuckleheads I don't care if
there is 50 or 5 they have taken control of the House. As to checking the
President, the House controls the purse strings how about doing your job and
getting a budget passed that has a chance of passing the Senate and not being
vetoed? Republicans can't seem to understand they lost the
Presidency and seats in the house and the senate. Blaming the democrats
isn't working for them. When Americans realize that we are going over the
cliff then fixing it the first of the year for Grover's pledge they are
going be even less happy with the republicans in the house
Jon Huntsman or Nancy Pelosi - what's the difference? Both super liberal
and both hate conservatism. I have never understood why Huntsman pretends to be
a Republican in the first place. Huntsman is a liberal and is all too eager to
sign with Obama on anything and everything. Jason Chavetz would tell Huntsman to
buzz off as would Michelle Bachman. All the sudden the GOP establishment want to
become Democrat's. I say let them go and let the 90% of the GOP defect to
the Libertarian party or Independence. We could care less what liberals think or
purple Republicans for that matter. I would rather watch America go down in
flames - as it is currently headed like a train wreck in slow motion - and at
least stand with the US constitution on principle. One day in the not too
distant future when unemployment is 30% and China owns most of what is left in
this country including our past freedoms I suspect some historian is going to
write some "what went wrong with America" book and of course at that
point it will be too little too late. All former great civilizations cave from
The backup QB is always the fan's choice...
Red, once upon a long time ago, I voted for a lot of Republicans. In fact, this
election is the first time I ever voted a straight ticket.Why?Republicans are no longer sane and I really prefer at least a little
sanity in my government.
I'm beginning to get really tired of all the "helpful" suggestions
for the Republican party going forward by people who aren't ever going to
vote for a Republican anyway. Why don't we let Republicans pick someone to
replace Harry Reid? He hasn't even been able to pass a budget in the Senate
which is a basic obligation of the Senate. Why can't he be a little more
"moderate". How about the President? In his first campaign for the
Presidency he committed to cut the deficit in half in his first term. That
didn't come close to happening so why wasn't he replaced? If
Democrats are so in love with Huntsman then why didn't they nominate him as
the Democrat presidential candidate?
As an Obama supporter, Huntsman was the only person in the GOP field who I
thought had a chance of beating the president. Thankfully, the right-wingers
eliminated him early, paving the way for one of the many bad Republican
candidates to run against Obama.By the way, I think Huntsman, like
Nancy Pelosi, would make a fine speaker.
I'm thinking that the problem with the House is that Boehner caved in to
Obama and agreed to raise taxes. That's why conservatives don't like
him.So, to suggest that Hunstman is better-liked by conservatives is
absurd. He was the most liberal of the GOP primary candidates.Why would
he appeal to people who think Boehner is not far enough to the right?
Most of you seem to miss the point of the article. The constitution does allow
for the Speaker to be a non elected representative. The article is based on the
idea that maybe a true moderate republican outside of the House could broker a
deal. Of course the idea is pie in the sky because the House
republicans are controlled by chuckleheads as republican Steven LaTourette from
Ohio referred to the 40-50 tea party members who control what bills come up for
a vote in the House. These chuckleheads have been given control and
appear to be committed to driving us over the cliff. Why would they do that, to
keep their pledge to Grover. They plan to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire on
Dec. 31st, then come in on the 3rd of January an vote for a tax cut, thus
keeping their pledge to Grover. Really folks these are the people
we want running our country? People who put a pledge to an individual ahead of
what is best for the American people. Thank you tea party and Grover Norquist.
Maybe we could just vote in Grover as King since he is controlling the
Bad idea, real bad idea. And, Obama does not bargain, he does not negotiate, he
does not compromise. Obama is the little dictator who could, and he does
whatever he wants, whether it's constitutional, legal, or honest, he does
whatever he wants to do. And one thing he does not do is negotiate with
Republicans, heck, he doesn't even talk to them. He was in office two full
years before he even acknowledged that Republicans existed--and he never talked
to the House and Senate GOP leaders. How's that for a president who
campaigned to bring people together. The only people he brings together are his
radical, Marxist, and born again socialists friends who bow to him.
@atl134Huntsman had a high approval rating because the legislature
largely kept him tempered.Huntsman does not now enjoy that same high
rating, because many people think he "went off the crazy cliff the past few
years..". He got goofy after he quit governor and quit
ambassador (which we should have seem coming based upon a life pattern of
quitting once he gets bored)I voted for him before, but would NOT
vote for him again (unless the only alternative was Rocky Anderson)
@DN Subscriber 2"Huntsman was a failed liberal governor,"Who had an approval rating over 75% when re-elected. Not his fault republicans
went off the crazy cliff the past few years...
Um... okay, I'm a huge fan of Jon Huntsman Jr. That secretary of state
article, that one was at least reasonable speculation. This idea though... is
just stupid. He's not even in the House.
Why? So he can quit another job?
A person doesn't have to be a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court either;
let's think outside the box (who put the box there anyway?); enjoyed
article today in Wall Street Journal editorial on how online learning will stop
the corruption that is our current higher education system; let's make
tax code simpler, etc. Change is coming.
I'm shocked that this made front page print news. It might have read
"Donald Duck for President." Why would a newspaper front page a story
like this when there is ZERO chance. Huntsman is not even a member of Congress.
It's worse than a pipe dream, it's a fantasy or a joke. This is
non-news, back page material. My granny used to call her paper the Deserted
News, and I have to agree. Is there nothing in the world going on to take up a
...and I might win the lottery, but you don't write headlines about that.
What is this, some sort of "Fantasy Congress League" where we pick real
or imaginary players?Huntsman was a failed liberal governor, a
decent Ambassador, a failed Presidential candidate, and perpetually more
interested in stroking hie ego than in advancing anything remotely resembling
conservatism, despite his wanting that label when deemed helpful and evading it
when it might not be.Jon Huntsman senior is a great man who has done
much good for many people. Jon, Junior, needs to find a real job and stick to
it, not keep chasing after power based on name recognition earned by his
But the Republicans own the House, Huntsman is a Democrat
Interesting that by law the Speaker of the House does not have to be an elected
Representative.But Huntsman? This really isn't serious, right? If
Boehner can't lead as a moderate, Huntsman's cred's would
be even worse for the conservatives.
It's a sad day when we allow labels to be placed upon us and then accept
them without even a thought. Extremists, right wing, wackos, left wing,
conservative, liberal... Mr. Ornstein and his book partner Mann have
used labels to divide and foment contention. They have not shown any evidence of
trying to find consensuses or common ground and they never intended to. They toss around the Constitution as if it's a play thing and they
are the sole source of interpretation and anyone who dares to hold fast to
it's genius and timeless principals is an extremist and a threat to the new
government that has manipulated, changed and usurped the old. The
fight is really not about Republican or Democrat or the fiscal cliff but about
preserving or dismantling the greatest nation and form of government the world
has ever known and labels are a strategic weapon of the dismantlers.
Huntsman as President would have brought both sides of the aisle together and
unified our country. As Speaker, his success as a fiscal conservative while
Governor would give him a more credible background than Boehner's. He could
have articulated a compelling pitch to the American people and gotten consensus
behind the GOP position without the polarization.
One small problem. Huntsman is not a member of the House of Representatives.But he would have made a much better representative of the people of
Utah than any of those who are supposedly representing us now.